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So, having looked at why God allows evil, and who created evil(whatever that means), the next question asked is 'Why did God create evil?' i do not hold a monopoly of knowledge, neither am i omniscient. Still, i'd be stringent(in my estimation) with the little i will say on this. This is primarily because the definition of evil is not fixed between you and me. One man's poison(evil0 is another man's food (good). On the other case, that we do not know the purpose of something doesn't compulsorily mean that that thing is useless or unfair. That you do not know why God made evil doesn't mean that God is bad, or unfair, or inconsiderate, or irrational, or non-existent. i do not know why God made you. i do not know the value of everything that i see. i do not understand why there are a zillion stars and i'm not making profit from that. i do not fully comprehend the use of other planets, and galaxies. Still, i know that God is all wise, only wise, righteous and holy. Whatsoever He made has its purpose even if i do not see or know it. In our ignorance we may wonder, what's the use or purpose of things around us like our neighbours, to gravity, to fire, to fear, to friction. If there were no gravity, maybe Mr A wouldn't break his back, but some of us know how important gravity is, some don't. If not for friction, company Z would not lose that wonderful machine/equipment. I recall in intro technology when we were taught the advantages and disadvantages of friction. And what of fire. How do you feel about fire if it affected you by razing your car, house or body? Even fear, what's the use of fear? Do you know that we all need some fear? i believe it's much the same way with God making evil. Maybe it wasn't for us like the rainbow's rarely of any economic value in the stock market. But it is useful where it is useful.
Now for the believer, God has made a bypass, in sending us Jesus Christ His Son. With Jesus, believers are seated together in heavenly places far above all the earth. What that means is Romans 8v28

Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

In other words, that is frustration for the devil. That in the mean time, while we await the end of all sickness, pain, disaster and co, which would be when jesus comes again and which was clearly said by jesus while on earth. Whil;e we wait for this, we can overcome and live as if in Heaven while actually on earth. that is, despite sickness, pain, death, disappointment, and all what may be thrown at us while on earth,we still obey God and glorify Him. that is, if you slap me, it's a glorious opportunity to show the grace of God. If you shower me with gifts, it's still praise the Lord, God is good. it means, the devil has lost already any one that he throws or does. We do not fear 'evil' like others that don't know God. We're not particular to escape it. We, as believers are MORE THAN conquerors.

Sorry I don't understand the relevance of the way it was used in 1st Corinthians. Could you simply state what you mean because so many people seem able to take away multiple interpretations from a single Bible passage.

That's why i said i should have used 'earthly'. I meant earthly. Most of the other translations/Bible versions use 'earthly'. By earthy/earthly, i mean of the earth, or the physical world we live in.

No, the malaria parasite is more accurate. The mosquito is a female member of the Anopheles spp. and we're pretty sure the disease is caused by the parasite and not the mosquito.

Whatever, what i'm saying though is that malaria as a disease is made by satan. Whether a sickness is spread by a fellow human, a fly, bacteria or a needle, the point i'm stating is that sickness is of the devil.

Moving on, you're saying Satan too was going about creating his own organisms when God was creating his. Why did God allow that? And how do you know that it is Satan that created them rather than God since God himself created evil?

i hope this is cleared from the above. i'm not referring to the carrier or transmitter of the disease, i'm referring to the disease itself. God made evrything good. There was no sickness then. It was after sin came that satan was able to bring sickness on earth.

Sorry to combine you guys together in my reply, homer&martian. You're birds of the same feather though,

But I know the difference between reality and fantasy.

Reality is that there's record of healing of fever in the bible already. i know though that if you won't believe that, you won't believe if i gave any other testimony.

Anyway, if christians are going to keep blaming satan for everything, how come no one ever asks how a perfect being like God could have created a despicable and "evil" entity like Satan?

It is ignorant of anyone to blame satan for everything. Sickness is a result of satan and sin(i.e the fall of man) There was no sickness before man fell i.e disobeyed God in the garden of Eden. Now, sickness has come and can be contracted through different means including parasites and one's carelessness. Satan was not created despicable, he became despicable after he was created. i know you're mockers and you're already showing it. That's why sometimes, i take you through 10miles to show you somethings 1m away or don't even bother to show you at all. But let me help some folk here though.

Has anyone bothered to pray for Satan? Maybe if y'all did, then the "rapture" and "armageddon" will be avoided and the stars won't have to fall in the oceans and seven headed dragons won't be flying around and forcing people to get the "mark of the beast".

Satan's case is closed. He's been condemned and hell fire has been prepared for him and his folks. Man is yet to be judged and still has hope, at least while there's life.
Ecc 8:11  Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.
Most of the stuff you wrote are mysteries that even many who know more than you do not understand. It won't help to bog your brain with that. Let's try to stick to the issue at hand instead of flying around and achieving nothing except nl post increase.

So while God was creating people and other animals, Satan was busy creating the malaria parasite and other terrible killers? So which evil did God create? And what was God doing while Satan was creating these things?  Satan too was going about creating his own organisms when God was creating his. Why did God allow that? And how do you know that it is Satan that created them rather than God since God himself created evil?

Before God created people and animals, satan has existed long time ahead. He was created good, and it seems from the Bible that he was well familiar with the earth. Unfortunately(or maybe i should say fortunately), i'd be quoting the Bible. It's unfortunate because you do not understand spiritual things and may not see the obvious(es).

Ezekiel 28:13  Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Ezekiel 28:14  Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Ezekiel 28:15  Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

The passage above is talking about satan and a bit of his history. He used to be holy and anointed, until he sinned. Like i said, he's been sentenced and is awaiting execution of judgement.
Matthew 25:41  Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
2Pe 2:4  For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment

God put man on earth, actually in charge of earth, it appears in the stead of the devil. Man was made special, and i believe a better version than the angels, he was created in the very image of God. He was made to have dominion, built to conquer, made for God's glory.

Gen 1:27  So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28  And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Gen 1:31  And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Everything was good, very good and even been made better by the minute. And then satan came and sort of tried his luck through the serpent, and wonders of eden, Adam and co fluffed the test. Unfortunately, in fluffing, Adam released/lost control of the earth and the thief/satan's got it back. It's like your son's sold your car to a thief in a scam. He's a thief right, but your son sold him the vehicle nonetheless. He's got a hearing/say in court, at least for the mean time. That's what Jesus came to get back.
So satan got an inroad. He was actually allowed by Adam, the first man. Adam let down the guard, and lost God's protection and help. He wanted to explore, and here we are exploring till date. Satan knows that he's a thief waiting for sentence execution. he knows he's got limited time and that he's truely lost it. His plan is to spoil everything for everybody if you know what that implies. When man disobeyed God, the whole earth went out of order.
Psalm 82:5  They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
Now earth is not functioning the way it was meant to function. There are disasters and sicknesses. The devil has done this.

Mat 13:24  Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
Mat 13:25  But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
Mat 13:28  He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?


John 10:10  The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

  The devil moves about looking for who to destroy and devour. if he had his way, all would be disabled, all would be paralysed, all should just die now now and go to hell. But Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil. He came too ultimately take away sin, sickness, pain and death. While he was on earth, that was his ministry. When He went to the cross to die, that's why He died.
1John 3:8  He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

i told someone sometime ago that arsenal doesn't only lack players, they lack a coach. Wenge's a good coach but he needs to be diverse. He doesn't seem to know more than one road, and that road is blocked at least for now. Even if he buys messi and the gang, he'll turn them all to mediocres who pass the ball around beautifully in some time. Highest they can possibly win under him would be say 2cups and they may not even defend it the next season.

@OP
Maybe they do not perfectly believe that Heaven is real. As for me, i want to go to Heaven ASAP. But i've still got work to do on earth. Seriously though, i'm not afraid to die.

On the other hand, human beings are created as living souls, not dead. Nobody loves death, we all love life. We don't want to lose life. What many of us miss out on is eternal life. We usually think this life is all there is, not knowing that there's more to life. There's abundant eternal life at Calvary.

@thehomer and martian
Pls give me some time o, and v. very busy.

thehomer:
What do you mean by earthy?

So while God was creating people and other animals, Satan was busy creating the malaria parasite and other terrible killers? So which evil did God create? And what was God doing while Satan was creating these things?

Sorry, i should have used the word 'earthly' instead. I used earthy for earthly in the sense it was used in the kjv(1Corinthians 15v47,48,49).
Then on second thoughts, i'll like to be a little more specific by saying 'satan made the malaria' instead of 'satan made the malaria PARASITE'. That is, satan made the malaria sickness, the disease itself. I'm more convenient on that, and may modify the other post though already quoted. One reason is that the general use of the phrase 'malaria parasite' is ambiguous. It could refer to mosquito, it could refer to is it plasmodium or so.
@martian, knowledge/reality is not limited to what YOU have seen or heard.
I'd answer other questions/comments later, i'd be late for church it seems.

thehomer:
Yes. If you say he created evil, that means he also created what is considered evil. Now why don't you answer the question?

Yes! Good of you thehomer, good. You're catching it little by little. You thought that if God made evil, He made everything considered evil. That's a wrong assumption or conclusion. That God made earth doesn't mean that we consider everything earthy as made by God. Cars and aeroplane are earthy but not made by God in our sense.
So to your question, satan is the maker of malaria. Thank you!

Your earlier conclusion, or should i be mild to say assumption, was that God made malaria parasites, sicknesses, disasters etc, right? I'd answer you, be patient.

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Are you now able to comprehend the possibility that someone else could have made the malaria parasite?

Lol @ 'i have no shoes' future politicians. But seriously, hope these people have something better than shoes to give money for, 45million naira for shoes? In corrupt nigeria? Hope they have better plans for scholarships, exercise books, text books, etc?

But why do people just jump to silly conclusions? In this same thread, someone read the same passage and said 144. Another read and saw 1,144. Is it the garri effect or what? There's no where in that passage or in the whole Bible that says ONLY 144,000 humans will be in Heaven.

thehomer:
No I do not. Do you think God made the malaria parasite?

Good, you're right. But then, it shows your hypocrisy. You'd definitely say God did not make the cars and aeroplanes, someone else did even though christians say that God made the earth. But for malaria parasite, you're not interested in considering that someone else made the parasite, and your excuse is, only on the same basis, that christians say God made the earth. This is the 'light' you saw but your pride shut your eyes to. You're free to open your eyes homer, you're in a safe zone.

@tonye
You're PESTERING me, can you stop? Leave me and thehomer alone o.

thehomer:
What light? I'm asking according to your view, how could it be that God didn't make the malaria parasite? It looks as if you've finally realized the problem with your line of thought and have chosen instead to derail this minor issue of God and evil.

So you closed your eyes tightly. Now, you tell me, do you think that God made the cars and aeroplanes?

thehomer:
In what sense did your God not make the malaria parasite? You believe he made the earth, people and the malaria parasite. The malaria parasite infects people and kills them. What part of this equation is not sanctioned by God?

Thank God for the light. It's left to you to open your eyes or just close it tightly.

Yahoo boys are set to help out, i hope? they should remember the fingas that feed them?

That one would be counselling by bluetooth na. Your friend needs direct counselling, and more importantly your sincere and fervent prayers.

Joagbaje is the obvious ignorant one here. i'm not endorsing (if that's even my place) or fully supporting zac, but i'm certain zac poonen has more knowledge than the sum total of knowledge in CE.

Just read through this thread out of boredom. But really, which one is 'the last word of Jesus'? Jesus is alive and has being speaking even till today.

@tonye
Not everything that God created is for us. He created the universe, we use a minimal part. He created hell as well, he created death. All there were not meant for us just like the solar system is kinda enough for us.

thehomer:
It gets more and more absurd. In what way are roads, airplanes and electric motors like cancer and the malaria parasite? Were cancer and the malaria parasite made by humans? At least, it seems that you're gaining insight into the problem you've created for yourself though you're unable to make appropriate analogies.

Thank God. You seem to be seeing some light. I'm only stating the supposed obvious. We say God created evil just like we say God created the earth.
Cars and aeroplanes are products of the earth but not made by God in a sense. The same way, malaria and co are products of evil but not made by God in a sense. i won't be suprised if you still don't get it, your pride is your block.

Those girls are not born again just like you. They're just church goers, or with the title Dedicated church goers.

i tune has said it in brief. Sleeping in church is largely due to indiscipline. Indiscipline will make you to also sleep at work so its not necessarily a matter of boring. Once some peopl are not actively engaged, they start sleeping. Though in some cases, especially prayers, its usually a result of the flesh being averse to spiritual things.

PA1982
There's nothing in the Bible that is unimportant. What i said is that it's not an emphasis.

thehomer:
How long will it take you to realize that sickness is a part of evil therefore if God created evil, he created sickness too? You really don't understand what it means for someone to be embarrassed for another person's inability to understand their own statements. Your lack of insight into your problem runs deep.

When would you understand that if God made the earth doesn't translate straight that God made the roads, airplanes and electric motors?

thehomer:
It is now clear to me that you have no idea of what you're trying to talk about. My simple question to you is this, do you consider sickness to be evil? You really need to stop embarrassing yourself this way. That is what makes me feel embarrassed for you since you appear to lack the insight to feel it.

It wasn't your question but your conclusion that i said God created sickness. You deserve to be embarrassed.

homer
You should do what I asked or keep mute and move to another point. i can imagine your embarrassment sha. Next time, don't lie, just stick to the 'syllabus'.

@JeSoul
i thought i typed 'case closed'. Case CLOSE with a D. Okay, you broke in a lidu.
You should be telling us why you'd condemn a spouse to a life of divorce instead of a separation or reconciliation. Why huh? What happened to the vows of for better for worse and all what not that they both made btw?
On your question, God makes someone married imho. What God has joined together is married.

Oh, so the spouse should not handle the consequences(staying unmarried or reconciling) but the spouse should handle the consequences(divorce). Case closed really.

PA1982
i already said that i'm not against the poor. It's good to give to the poor and the Bible says so. What i said is that it's not EMPHASISED. Emphasised, or emphasis has another meaning? Emphasis has to do with prominence, stress, attention. There's even more stuff for giving the poor in the old testament than in all the (what we call) teachings of Jesus.

so it's true, may God have mercy.

Tonye
Sorry 'bout your dad. Hope all is well. What has been said here doesn't contradict what was said earlier. There's no puppeteering whatever at play. i guess you did not comprehend, sorry.