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[quote author=PAGAN 9JA link=topic=769250.msg9243363#msg9243363 date=1317298547]not everyone look for profit brother. [/quote]Not everyone looks for profit ke? Who's looking for loss.

@OP
Every man would be judged according to his works. In other words, all sinners are going to hell fire. BTW, all have sinned, nobody was born a saint. The problem with man is that we think we're better than others. We justify ourselves, but really, we're all sinners.
But we have the chance to repent and believe the gospel. Anyone who believes is forgiven, no matter how big or small your sins.

Na wa o, so many sick people in here.
@OP
You've done well so far. Just a few more steps. One thing, i don't know if you claim to be born again or if she claims to be born again. You know what, start pouring her tracts, audio and videos of 'holiness' preaching. Preachings on judgement, holiness, christian dressing etc. Her conscience will correct her, or she'll just lose interest.
That one works very fine especially if you yourself form holy brother, not just 'God fearing' in the invisible. If she's got an uncommon strong will to fall your hand, then take option B. Flee. Flee in this case meaning, she flees, you're the boss?

Eiyah o! The Bible is written in several languages and versions, and available for us all to read. The Bible also gives opportunity to each to "test the spirit". The practices described are not biblical and both parties share the blame.

i have yet to come across coherent explanations of what spirits and souls are,so when you talk about “deep spiritual issues” you might as well be trying to convince me that ancient aliens built the pyramids because that makes about as much sense as souls,spirits and spiritual issues.

How's it going to be possible for you to understand? You can only understand IF you're spiritual na.
Not to insult you or something, but sorry in advance nonetheless. i want to describe with this analogy. It's like an animal, say a dog, saying i'm yet to understand what these humans are saying. Or someone on short-wave complaining "i tune everyday, and i've never once gotten rhythm 93, do they exist at all. If they do exist, i should've found them all these years on SW." It's not likely to happen. You need a conversion to stand good chance of understanding spiritual things. Truth they say is bitter.




ppen. You need a conversion to stand good chance of understanding spiritual things. Truth they say is bitter.

^
So again, the Bible is so true. I'd have been shocked if you understood, and perhaps shaky in faith if you saw. You need revelation.

mazaje:
What are the things? I just want you to know that there is NOTHING that is going in your life and NOTHING that you have achieved that is not going on in the life of those that don't pray, there is nothing that you have achieved that those that don't pray haven't achieved. . . . .

Because we all look for basically the same thing genius.

thehomer:
I don't know you tell me. One thing is for sure though he really didn't want to send the rain.

You don't know? i's beginning to think you were omniscient or something. So were you the one who prayed for rain and got fire?

i don't totally agree with the op but indecent dressing truly contributes to promiscuity. Violent/forced immorality is more pronounced in lawless countries because those countries are lawless and most of those guys are poor anyway. Many people restrain themselves out of fear, that's all. Either they're afraid to be caught, or of what people will say, or of what their spouse/mate or police would do, or of losing position/reputation/job/admission/Heaven.
What do you think when you have s.ex orgi.es, partying and clubbings, romancing someone's daughter/wife, taking advantage of weaknesses such as drunken state and emotional weaknesses? Allow those of us without sin to cast the first stone jare.
(Make i go wear helmet o).

"Evil men do not understand justice, but those who seek the LORD understand it fully." (Proverbs 28:5)

Unfortunately for you, the Bible is my evidence.

^
That man and earth was initially created perfect/good. It was Adam who fell and allowed in sin, satan, sickness and friends.

@Martian
God did not create humans deficient, neither is your black skin caused by a curse. You guys continue to prove your utter ignorance of scriptures. This is common christian religious knowledge found so cheaply in Genesis. What happens if we decide to discuss deep spiritual issues. If you're so boldly wrong on simple things how can you make an headway in real things. If i'd told you plainly that you were dead and blind, you won't believe.

Are you lying about God not apologizing for his evil deeds?

i meant apologizing in the sense of saying sorry, asking for forgiveness or pardon. That's what i mean by He was not apologizing.
i agreed and explained that He was grieving. i use the KJV and i'm in love with it. Nonetheless, the english is not contemporary and some words may be blind to some people like this passage seems to you. For instance, you might see a word like 'suffer' which in contemporary is 'permit or allow'. This word 'repent' in that passage is clearer to the majority when translated 'grieve'. Like i said God was grieved at punishing the Israelites. He's not a sadist. Judges give sentences in court every other day, it's not done with glee. Some even get personal but are professional not to let their emotions interfere. We're created in the image of God, not the other way round. You're seeking to create God in your own mould. It won't fit, don't burst a fuse.

Haa! Are you Saul then?

mazaje:
Will you consider your CEO a merciful person if he sends wild animals to eat up your kids for your wrong doings?. . . .Will you kill you puppies because their mother bite another person?. . . .Why is your God threating to send wild animals to kill people's babies for the wrong doings of their parents? Is that what you call a loving or merciful God?. . . .

They say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. This is what i've been saying all this while. In the grand sense/scheme, God is merciful and loving. It's like a schoolteacher, to one, he's a very wicked man(because one scored zero). To his kids, dad is the best man in the universe. The relationship kindof alters the perspective. The good news is that God seeks a Father-child relationship with each one of us. He's not willing that any should perish but that we all come to truly know Him. If only you truly knew my dad/God, you'll know He's not just the nicest/loveliest, He is Love.of us. He's not willing that any should perish but that we all come to truly know Him. If only you truly knew my dad/God, you'll know He's not just the nicest/loveliest, He is Love.

mazaje:
Secondly you gave a litany of some attributes and ascribed to your God among them love and mercy. . . .I didn't see you list the bad once like evil cos we have the God of the bible saying that he is an evil entity, he committed evil several times and apologized for his evil deeds, no?. . . .You were only cheery picking the good attributes and leaving the evil ones out. . . .To be merciful means to treat people better than they deserve. . . .Yet we have your God threatening to have babies killed by wild animals. . . .Will you consider an entity that threatens to have babies killed by wild animals to be a merciful entity?. . .You guys just keep throwing words around with out even knowing what they mean. . . .

God never said at any time that He is an evil entity, neither was He apologizing for his evil doings. It is His love for us that makes Him grieve(or as the kjv put it 'repent') at punishing the disobedient Israelites. Punishment/judgement is messy/unpleasant. Nobody wants to go through it. It shows that God feels for us, even in our sinful state. Like Romans says, God loved us while we were yet sinners.
God treats us better than we deserve. In judgement, we(the human race) deserve death. God told Adam he'll die if adam disobeyed Him. Our judgement is death(i.e eternal separation from God) but God organised a redemption, a rescue, and sent Jesus Christ to take our judgement. That's mercy, that's love. No other sacrifice could atone for us. There was a time i compared it to an infected os/computer. The whole things's infected, it's not exactly the fault of some files but they may have to be deleted or formatted to save the hard disk.

mazaje:
Here is what you said. . . .

Firstly you are picking passages to tell me that God has not changed but am telling you that the God you are saying does not change has changed a great deal. . .A simple reading of the bible shows it. . .Lets take the dietary laws as an example. . .Back in the OT some certain type of diet where prohibited but in the NT everything was permissible to be eaten by the same God supposedly. . . .In the OT some things offend God so much and he was written to have said that those engaged in such acts were to be stoned to death or killed. . . .In the NT the same God allegedly saw nothing wrong with such things any more. . .Example working on the sabbath

Like i've earlier written, it's the covenant/testament/document agreement that has changed not God. There is the Old and now the New. The attributes/characters of God are still v.much the same. Like i've shown you, He still hates sin of any form. He's still holy, He's still love, He's still Judge and just, He's still faithful, righteous etc just like in the OT. Those are some of His clearly stated attributes/characteristics. Your line of questioning should perhaps be 'why the change of testament'. The testaments/covenants are likened to two different classes. It's like the Old been primary school and the New been say College. The law/OT was like our schoolteacher when we were children. 'We' referring to humanity's relationship with God.
Now we're in college, relationship wise. Syllabus is not exactly the same. Not that it contradicts but that it's higher. That's the sense in which it's different. There were rules your parents laid when you were young, that you've now kindof outgrown. Nothing's wrong with the rules or with your parents. If your parents probably had another kid today, he'll probably go through the same rules. Jesus' coming changed a lot of things and should change you, you're the major purpose for which He came.

Martian:
@ Image123.

You know my views on religion, the holy books and gods being products of mythology but I'll assume the bible is factual in this instance.

The questions I have are

1) how many children were killed during noah's flood?
2) Since kids can't do anything without their parents, was god justified in drowning helpless children just to prove a point?

Thanks for your impatience. Actually, the Bible is factual. It's more real than you're if that's possible. So to your questions, i wonder what you aim to achieve by it.
I don't know the number of children that died in Noah's flood. It's not stated, and i'm not omniscient, it's God that is omniscient. What we know is that all other humans died except for daddy Noah and family. And it was not a point proving flood. It was judgement. And another judgement day is coming on this earth. That one was by water, this one's going to be fiery. Sin brings judgement. If a man's poor, his family's likely to suffer it. You never know the extent and importance of the choices you make each day. You can give your life to Christ still.

globexl:
@image123:
You just admitted that the bible is not an exact science. That sounds to me like an indictment of author(the infallible word of GOD?). why would the words of an infallible god be inconsistent and confusing? And why are the words of an infallible omipotent god be sujected to constant revisions by churchmen(mortals). You can only revises or edit something to improve it or make it better . How do chruchmen make better what is the infallible word of god?

It's not an indictment on the scriptures. You've misunderstood me, and it's the same way that many misunderstand the scriptures, and make their misunderstandings bold.
The Word of God is infallible, and anyone trying to improve it is only wasting his/her time.
The scriptures is not an exact science, just like humans are not. In exact science, one plus one is two. Measurements are 'exact', machines operate on this principle. Humans/living things are more complex, plus the Word of God is living(don't bite yourself). Our makeup is complex, language is complex, relationships are complex and intertwined. My "i'm coming" may mean more than one thing depending on context. Your asking "what's your name?" may result in varied responses from me at different times, it may even be considered an insult. Scripture passages are intertwined/interlaced with respect to one another.ines operate on this principle. Humans/living things are more complex, plus the Word of God is living(don't bite yourself). Our makeup is complex, language is complex, relationships are complex and intertwined. My "i'm coming" may mean more than one thing depending on context. Your asking "what's your name?" may result in varied responses from me at different times, it may even be considered an insult. Scripture passages are intertwined/interlaced with respect to one another.

globexl:
@Image123:
You religious people are just too hilarious. you always shout hat god created me and created everyone in his own image. God created white people, black people, indians, chinese, tall people,pigmies, left handed people, right handed people, ugly people as well as attractive people, right
Now, did god not create Same-sex people as well? Or was it his evil brother, Satan,that created homosexuals while god was resting on the seventh day? LOL.
By christian logic, god created everyone with their different talents of traits. If god created homosexuals, then why would that same god punish homosexuals for being exactly whatgod created them? Is something wrong with god? Is god schitszophrenic or is it your understanding of god that is schitszophrenic?

And by the way is there a hierachy of sin? That is , is one form of sin more sinful than another form of sin? for example, assuming that god forbids homosexuality, as well as forbiding fornicaton, lying and envy. My question is:Would a Same-sex recieve more eternal punishment than a heterosexual fornicator? or a lier? or an envious person?

Pls answer:

God created all human beings. Unfortunately, no one is born as a saint. We're all tempted to sin, do wrong, do evil. Good news is that we're expected and empowered by Jesus Christ to overcome the temptations and live right. We were all born sinners whatever form of sin you may specialise in, and we can all repent and be converted and begin to please and serve God.
Sins are different just as sicknesses are different, and so also punishments/judgements would be different. But there's a broad class of being separated from God forever to be in hell fire, and being with God forever. Jesus said something about judgemet being more tolerable for Sodom than for some people, an indication of variety in judgement.

What did i spin Matthew 18v19 to mean, mazaje?
There are different command, different obedience, different disobediences and different punishments. A child that did not finish his food, and the one that woke 5minutes after mummy woke him up, and the one that partied with the money he was told to pay for school fees all disobeyed. But they are not in the same class and will not/should not all receive the same equal punishment. It even gets more complicated when it's not your child and you're to punish. i told you earlier, the Bible is not an exact science, just like humans, plants, relationships are not.ier, the Bible is not an exact science, just like humans, plants, relationships are not.

mazaje:
Will you consider any being that threatens to have children eaten by wild animals a loving being?. . .


My friend you are just giving me your opinion as if that is what the bible says. . . .The bible talks about two people coming together and asking for things through prayers and promising that their request will be granted and here you are trying to spin it to mean something else. . .If that is what the bible was trying to say it would have been written inside the bible, no? I thought you guys claim the bible is the word of God, or do you not believe in what it says again?. . . .The bible is clear when two people come together and ask with faith in prayers their request will be granted if it meant to say something else it would have been written as part of the verse, I know why you chose to spin it to mean something else. . . .


Those that disobey are also sinner no? And the bible says that the wages of sin is death, no?. . . .What you are saying is that the bible can be taken to mean anything with also proves my point. . . .

The Leviticus 26 passage you quoted is similar, it's judgemet, punishment. Punishment is a result of wrongdoing, it's unpleasant. God loves man and doesn't want man to sin. He even forgives man of his sin. But if a man sins, he simply gets punished, fact. I'm not going to coat it for you to make it look pleasant. i can only make analogies hoping you see from these, since you can't see from the original.
Punishment is everywhere. A CEO may love all his staff, give incentives, promotions, hope to do good for staff and their families. But if one employee steals or is incompetent or does something evil, he gets sacked, that's punishment. Who wants to get sacked/punished. It's unpleasant, or can we say evil, but it happens every other day. You may love your dog, train it, treat it etc but it suddenly gets 'mad' and bites or kills someone close to you. It's not irrational to punish the dog in some way. Some may starve it for a day, beat it, sell it. Some may even kill it. All these is not good but evil, at least to the dog.

mazaje:
You see you are still picing and choosing what quailities you want to ascribe unto your God from the bible, you are choosing only the good attributes you want to chose, what about the evil ones, the bible clearly says that God is evil and does evil in some parts, no?. . . .

Exodus 32:14 And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people (KJV)

Jer 42:9 And said unto them, Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel, unto whom ye sent me to present your supplication before him;

Jer 42:10 If ye will still abide in this land, then will I build you, and not pull [you] down, and I will plant you, and not pluck [you] up: for I repent me of the evil that I have done unto you. (KJV)

Here we have God clearly saying that he did evil and he repented of his evil deeds. . . .I don't see christians quoting any of these verses. . . .Only an entity that has evil as one of its attributes can display evil, no?

The Bible doesn't say that God is evil. You're a liar just like the devil is.
God permits evil to happen,ot or nt. Evil still happens, no? Destruction is evil. God wanted to destroy the Israelites in Exodus32 but verse 14 says that He didn't. This was because of Moses' prayer for them. I mentioned WHATEVER QUALITY from Genesis, don't know why you said i missed some out. God is Judge. And as Judge, God rewards both with good and evil. You reap what you sow. If you sow good, God rewards you good and vice versa. That's a Judge, that's justice. It's the same in Jeremiah 42. The people received evil(punishment) from God because of their backsliding but the moment they supplicated(v9), God had mercy. It's the same today for every sinner like you. This is elementary comprehension of context. Gloat all you want on word picking and you'd remain never learning anything.

mazaje:
NOT true, a simple reading of the OT and the NT will show you that the God the bible talks about has changed a great deal from getting angry and killing people over simple things like picking sticks on the sabbath or setting very strict dietary laws and clothing laws to allowing people to eat anything and forgetting about the sabbath. . . .

A simple reading of the bible shows that this statement is false. . . . .

Very poor analogy and God that very easily kills people and accepts human and animal sacrifice which is completely different from a God that doesn't no? Read the bible. . . .I am talking about the behavior of the God of the bible as recorded in the old and new testaments, that God has changed a great deal. . . .


You see you are still picing and choosing what quailities you want to ascribe unto your God from the bible,

God as a Person or character has not changed. What has changed is God's covenant with man. No one disagrees or disputes that. That's what's called otestament and ntestament. The qualities and characters of God are still the same and i clearly said that.
i'll attend to other issues later, may not be today, i'm busy.haracter has not changed. What has changed is God's covenant with man. No one disagrees or disputes that. That's what's called otestament and ntestament. The qualities and characters of God are still the same and i clearly said that.
i'll attend to other issues later, may not be today, i'm busy.

mazaje:
The OP is very simple its about Christians picking and choosing what they believe and using it to castigate others, no?. . .The same thing is what you are doing here, I will show it to you soon. . .

i'm waiting for this showing. i've not cherry picked scriptures like you were cherry picking my words, and the scriptures. i'm not in denial or disbelief of any scripture passage. i can only quote what seems relevant to the discuss or as based on questions you ask. All i've required is that you present them one after the other, in an orderly manner, so that we can perhaps have a profitable discussion, not just a throw up of atheistic frustrations.

mazaje o!

Joagbaje:
So if a man has committed a sin as a christian , his offering has becomevan abomination? . Is that what scriptures say?
It religious people like you that see others as stains because they id wrong but you are neither perfect. You keep log in your Eyes and condemn others .

Tell me how did I frown at his character?

It'll help you to keep quiet, and repent where necessary.

@Joagbaje

Well I assumed you were talking in the light of scripture.

Maybe next time you'd assume i'm talking in the darkness of my physics textbook. i asked you a straight forward question mr. And you've given a straight forward and honest answer, dunno why you've then decide to complicate things.

Because I would not have imagined you doing comparison between me and the guy "who is richer or more blessed"    Are we in competition? that's not a spiritual question , I would not have answered you if i knew that's the direction you're going. I never said CEC members are richer in things than another church. I've always said prosperity is not in "things" or material acquisition.

It seems you've misunderstood me. Maybe due to the replies of your fellow members who i clearly was not talking to. Again i've not said anything about anyone been richer or poorer, it seems that is hurting you. i hereby declare you richerr if that makes you happy.

It's not an issue of theology, there is no theology, the word of zgod is for us all to act upon.

see, you don't have the same theology with many other churches. It's not just deeperlife. deeper is just a case study because you mentioned it. If you mentioned anglican or baptist, the question would've come the same way. i'm discussing with you in a general universal way, don't know why your members came in flashing overprotectives for CE, now you've joined them. It's common knowledge(at least on nl) that CE doesn't think itself a pentecostal church, and usually refer to other christians who don't share same views as 'some folk, other folk' in preachings. So don't come here typing "there is no theology".

God can bless us through anybody,and anyone who comes in contact with me will never be the same. if your boss gives you a raise, or you recieve a wedding gift from relatives who are Christians ,will you throw it back at their face.  Did Jesus throw the prosti.tute who poured perfume at his feet out? . God never rejected sinners in the bible who gave .so long as they do it with right intention .Queen od shebba and many others gave gifts to Solomon.

i believe this is what i said "What's the christian doing collecting ridiculous gifts from unbelievers? Are you a child of Abraham or of Gehazi?". i'm certain you know what adjectives are? Don't misunderstand me on that. Your boss giving you a raise, or a wedding gift is not ridiculous, except the gift/raise itself is ridiculous. You're always free to decline from collecting, you were created a free moral agent, having ability to choose and to make sane decisions. (. . but wisdom is profitable to direct.Eccl 10:10b)

Dan 5:17  Then Daniel answered and said before the king, Let thy gifts be to thyself, and give thy rewards to another; yet I will read the writing unto the king, and make known to him the interpretation.
The sinner woman who anointed Jesus'feet came with weeping and penitence and received forgiveness of sins. She did not come to bless Jesus, or sow a seed into His life, hoping to receive a hundred bottles/boxes of oil in return. And God did reject sinners and their gifts.(Isaiah 1v11-15, Amos 5v21-24)

Ezekiel 20:39  As for you, O house of Israel, thus saith the Lord GOD; Go ye, serve ye every one his idols, and hereafter also, if ye will not hearken unto me: but pollute ye my holy name no more with your gifts, and with your idols.

Malachi 1:10  Who is there even among you that would shut the doors for naught? neither do ye kindle fire on mine altar for naught. I have no pleasure in you, saith the LORD of hosts, neither will I accept an offering at your hand.
Jeremiah 6:20  To what purpose cometh there to me incense from Sheba, and the sweet cane from a far country? your burnt offerings are not acceptable, nor your sacrifices sweet unto me.
1Samuel 15:22  And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
Psa 50:16  But unto the wicked God saith, What hast thou to do to declare my statutes, or that thou shouldest take my covenant in thy mouth?
ETC.
Also the queen of Sheba did not give ridiculous and purposeless gifts. The account is in 1kings 10v1-10. excerpts

1Kings 10:1  And when the queen of Sheba heard of the fame of Solomon concerning the name of the LORD, she came to prove him with hard questions.
1Ki 10:3  And Solomon told her all her questions: there was not any thing hid from the king, which he told her not.

1Ki 10:4a  And when the queen of Sheba had seen all
1Ki 10:10a  And she gave.
If you missed verse1, you should not miss the whole passage and the context that she believed in God and gave God the glory. And that's what Jesus was particular about when He JUSTIFIED her in the new testament. Add this as well to get a better picture

2Chronicles 9:12  And king Solomon gave to the queen of Sheba all her desire, whatsoever she asked, beside that which she had brought unto the king. So she turned, and went away to her own land, she and her servants.
Matthew 12:42  The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.
She was more righteous than the generation Jesus lived with and i can say more righteous than the sinners/unbelievers you attempt to compare her with, [s]you this piece of Jo. Don't you ever in you life try to hide behind this innocent woman in your life again[/s], attempting to justify churches receiving gifts from sinners and you receiving gifts from unbelievers.

People give tithes in their churches and if they , sin does that have anything to do with their giving? So long as they are Christians . Dont you sin?

Oui, it does. Their giving becomes stinking to the heavens. Don't you have any shame? People like you are so quick to claim Abraham's blessings, God's promises and covenant to Abraham, but you frown at his character, conduct and example, and at the examples of men of God like Elisha who had the double portion, men that walked with God.

Gen 14:21  And the king of Sodom said unto Abram, Give me the persons, and take the goods to thyself.
Gen 14:22  And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lifted up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth,
Gen 14:23  That I will not take from a thread even to to a shoelatchet, and that I will not take any thing that is thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich:
1Kings 13:7  And the king said unto the man of God, Come home with me, and refresh thyself, and I will give thee a reward.
1Kings 13:8  And the man of God said unto the king, If thou wilt give me half thine house, I will not go in with thee, neither will I eat bread nor drink water in this place:

2Corinth 12:14  Behold, the third time I am ready to come to you; and I will not be burdensome to you: for I seek not yours, but you: for the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children.
2Kings 5:20  But Gehazi, the servant of Elisha the man of God, said, Behold, my master hath spared Naaman this Syrian, in not receiving at his hands that which he brought: but, as the LORD liveth, I will run after him, and take somewhat of him.
When you sing of the faith of our fathers, i wonder whose faith you're sing of, Abraham's or the faith of Gehazi.
1John 5:18  We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

I didn't do anything for the guy , he said God told him. he is the one being blessed by the grace upon me. As i give too i get blessed. Let's end this petty talk abeg. Okay maybe what you want to hear is . You deepes are richer than we CEC , alright. So be it. I hope that makes you feel better,

thought i mentioned more than once that "i've already got what i need, thanks, don't bother yourself more."?

What do you mean that God has not changed when we have a clear shift as YOU have pointed out yourself. . . .Disobedient kids, adulterers and witches for example were all to be stoned to death by the people, in the NT its all about being a pacifist. . . .As for not being the judge with regards to women preaching, well the bible is very clear about that women  are NOT to preach in churches. . . Your opinion to that is immaterial because the bible is very clear about that. . . . .

You said"your God will also kill punish women that speak in churches". Well i do not see the Bible that says that. don't know if you have. A law/command/advice is different from the repercussion/punishment/judgement for disregarding/disobeying that law/command/advice. Try to understand that.
What i mean that God has not changed is that God has not changed. He Himself said it and we who know Him/understand Him better know that He has not changed.

Malachi 3:6  For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Heb 13:8  Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and forever.

i told you earlier, the Bible is not an exact science, neither are humans, relationships, living things. It takes maturity and often revelation to understand the word of God. The way i can help you is like say giving analogies. For example, you might have a friend, maybe you've not seen him since 5years 10 years. Now you guys meet. And you're like 'this guy has not changed'. It's true he has not changed in that maybe he still talks the same way, or reasons the same way, or in a bad sense, maybe he still has an habit of lying, carelessness, womanizing. He's not changed but it's possible he has a new address, class, weight, marital status, car etc.
In a similar sense, God has not changed. He still hates sin. He is still powerful, God, merciful, loving, righteous, holy, and whatever quality we call Him from Genesis. God's against witches, sin, and all disobedience to Him/His Word. He's not changed. We're not saying that He's not changed sitting position, or has not uttered a word, or batted an eyelid as that also means God has not changed. It's a flawed knowledge and context that disturbs many people. Some people have flawed knowledge of simple things like God's onmipresence. Omnipresence basically means He is present everywhere. However, it'll be silly(to be mild) to say He's in the bottle, in the phone, in your pocket, in the fridge, in the keyhole, in my shoe. It'll be most silly to argue with me and say "But He's omnipresent, He's in the cup,no?"  OR to pick a scripture like
Matthew 18:19  Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
And two people agree and say the world would end today, God said we should agree. Or even seemingly good stuff like we agree there will be no more sickness in africa, or no more road accident in nigeria. These agreements/understanding have simply cherry picked the Bible, taking that passage as an exact science without looking at the whole counsel of God. Do you read of two brothers and a mother who came to Jesus and asked for reserve seats in Heaven? Was it done for them of His Father in heaven?
Matthew 22:29  Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the Scriptures, nor the power of God.
1Corinth 14:20  Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.

The scriptures is not mathematical equations. 1+1 is not always equal to 2. Sometimes, it's 1 in scriptures. Another time someone puts in one and gets 30fold, some 60 some 100. The Bible says "Pray without ceasing1Thess5v17". The Bible also says "Rejoice in the Lord alwaysPhilippians 4v4". i guess you also know many christians who clearly disobey these plain scriptures seeing the Bible is very clear about this(you seem to 'know' many christians btw). It'll be wrong to class them all together and say my opinion is immaterial, those that disbelieve are condemned, those that disobey are punished. Blimey, you might even have some scriptures to boot your talk. Well, you need revelation to understand scriptures, and then maturity, comparing scripture with scripture.

Very well said Martian. . . . .

It's better you leave martian alone and listen to people who have an idea of what you seek to know as regards the OP.

Luke 6:39 And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?

It seems you're picking and choosing because you condemned homosexu@ls to hell (because of your bigotry against them) and refuse to pronounce the same fate on women (because you disagree with the bible)

He was very quick to condemn homosexuals to hell because the bible prohibits homosexuality, but he he is not quick to condemn women that teach or speak in churches because he disagrees with the teaching of the bible that also prohibits women from teaching or speaking in the church . . . He just displayed the cherry picking that this topic is really talking about. . . . .The bible is clear it says those that disbelieve are condemned already. . . . .Women that disbelieve in the teaching that they are supposed to shut up and be quite in the churches and not preach are disbelievers and are therefore condemned already, no?. . . .

i don't know if you want to learn or if you're more interested in scoring silly cheap points(maybe you could use the points to buy something @christmas). Talk about having a beam in the eye and screaming the mote off another's. You've cherry picked my words, and you're not going to gain anything that way. If you'd continue that way, i'd explain this, then you'd pick some seeming point/flaw, then i'd explain that and you'd search out another, and on and on. i'm yet to condemn anyone on this thread. i've refrained from judging anyone (you've asked about witches, homosexuals, disobedient children, now women). Here was what was said,
On your homosexuality question, i agree and all christians agree on what the court decides on homosexuals as their judgement. Whether homosexuality is right or wrong is another issue. But their judgement is their business, not mine. I judge no man.
To this you replied by saying

Ok fair enough since you say you judge no man. . . .I was talking about others that use the bible as a basis for condemning homosexuals while leaving out other parts from the same bible. . . .

And here was my reply
On homosexuality, i've said it i'm not the judge. God is ultimate judge, and make no mistake, He will punish homosexuals in hell fire. But i don't have a duty to stone them. i'll stick with the courts and mind more important business.
If you decide to pick just this last one and make whatever conclusions on it, are you not the chief cherry picker? The issue was on humans judging people(homos, witches, sinners), in this instance by putting to death ithink. i've shown you "Judge not". And have explained to you that although we(humans/christians) are not judging, God is the ultimate Judge. God will punish all this people. There's a Judgement day coming, i believe that's not news to you? On Judgement day, He/God(not i) will punish homosexuals in hell fire. This is simple basic scripture knowledge. It's not personal view/bigotry.
Romans 1:27  And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
Romans 1:32  Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Lev 18:22  Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Lev 18:23  Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.
Lev 18:24  Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
Lev 18:25  And the land is defiled: therefore[b] I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitant[/b]s.
1Corinth 6:9  Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Corinth 6:10  Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
The judgement of homosexuality and such like is plainly revealed in the Bible as can be seen from the above. On women preaching, i already said it and you've quoted it. Just like i rightly said about homosexuals, I AM NOT THE FINAL JUDGE. I AM NOT. Their judgement is not my business. Is that not clear enough for you to understand? You said

That also means that your God will also kill punish women that speak in churches or teach in churches because the bible prohibits them from doing that, yet many christians do not have a problem with it.

You're talking of judgement/punishment. i don't know about their punishment and i'm not too interested. i'm not a woman btw. Whether what they do is right or wrong is another issue(just like i said on homosexuality). You're mixing the law with the punishment. In the women preaching, there are different schools of thought and interpretation of the passage. Unlike homosexuality that is plain enough at least for the majority to see. And have quoted their ultimate judgement if they don't repent. i can't quote or find a place that says this and that would happen to women that preach in church. i'm not omniscient, and i sincerely do not know what would happen to them. i'm not the Judge. If they're going to be punished, what kind of punishment, i don't know. Punishment and judgement varies, it's not equal. It'll be more tolerable for Sodom than for some. Some people will get to God's kingdom and have their works burnt. All these is in the Bible. i'll only tell you what's revealed in the Bible, i'm not the guy with the special list of names.

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i asked you who's more blessed between you Jo and the deeper life man, and you said the man is most blessed. i didn't say anybody was richer or poorer. You confirmed that it's possible to be more blessed than you are outside the confines of YOUR theology. What's the christian doing collecting ridiculous gifts from unbelievers? Are you a child of Abraham or of Gehazi? That's the attitude that's caught up with some churches collecting tithes and offerings from known sinners. You have your reward. i've already got what i need, thanks, don't bother yourself more.n sinners. You have your reward. i've already got what i need, thanks, don't bother yourself more.