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Rejecting Christ is ridiculous, but I'm still pleading that you should accept Him. (Revelation 3v20).
You ask why God put the tree within man's reach and give satan space. There goes freewill. What's freewill if everything was conditioned. What sort of victory comes without a 'fight'? What sort of pass comes without a test? What sort of conqueror is without a conquered foe, what has he then conquered? I don't know about any apple, but I believe you're referring to the tree of knowledge of GOOD AND EVIL, not right and wrong. Not everything in the kitchen is edible, right? They all serve their purpose. This tree was not for Adam's consumption. Let's leave it as simple as that. Fire is good/useful, but not as a body cream.
Hebrews 11v6. Without faith, it's IMPOSSIBLE to please God. Walk with God requires faith/trust, not knowledge or independence to be gods as the serpent promised Eve.

Wow, one step at a time. Now that a lot of itching you've done, lol. Now I cannot and I would not answer all your questions. I'm not omniscient. But do climb the ladder one step at a time. You're trying to see up with one huge step, that's why it's ALL so tasking. One step, first major step, ONLY believe. That's easy. Fear no fall, humble yourself, there's nothing to lose with God, except your sins of course.
Ignorance can't be an excuse. That's life for you. If someone ignorantly/deliberately falls into a well, it matters little. Both lives are in danger. An ignorant sinner and a deliberate sinner are both sinners before God. Sin can be called 'missing the mark' of God's standard of righteousness. Zero is zero, sincerely or deliberately. all have sinned, but Jesus brings a way out. I'll rather say everyone NEEDS what Jesus offers. Many don't want it. Even the dying thief at Jesus side didn't want it. The other thief was wiser anyway. There are people here on nl who are proudly 'jogging to hell fire', and they don't care. That's freewill.

obojo
Do you feel judged already? Sorry I didn't judge you or anyone. I guess you need to update yourself on the meaning of that word. The babalawos are serving God the best way that they know, are they also on the right path? The excuses you guys are giving is just . . . And you're calling me 124 when anyone who can read and write knows that I'm 123, seems you've judged me sef.
A lot has changed since Jesus came but God has not changed. He says I change not. Do you believe that? Don't think so. What is abominable to Him is still abominable to Him. Try another excuse. I'll say it again. I've not forced you to put on any form of dress, but your excuses for disobedience are baseless.

Don't you think that the dead must visit purgatory embassy destination road?
"immoral life of eternal bliss" ke! Na book of wisdom talk that one? No wonder.
It is appointed unto men once to die, after this judgement. Stop wasting prayers on the dead. The living are here. You can pray for me for instance, or for nigeria, or seun, or any of these unfortunate atheists here on nl. If you need more prayer points, holla me.

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One can be sincerely wrong you know, but wrong all the same. So you don't serve God anyhow, or in your words, the best way you know how. You serve God in spirit and in truth. The Word of God is truth, and Deuteronomy 22v5. I'm not bothered myself about the verse because I'm male, but the excuses given AGAINST that verse are too vague, and its confirmed on this thread. Check out our important that verse is if you never saw it.
5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's
garment: for all that do so
are abomination unto the Lord thy God.
Coupled with the fact that the Bible says that the abominable will have their parts in the lake of fire, I'm thinking the verse shouldn't be discarded with the wave of the hand or trivialised.
I've seen the new question about if the bible says females should wear skirt or something. The answer is not the problem, the problem is your heart, where does it lie? If you're shown scriptures, will that genuinely change your stance? Or you've just generalized that it can't be there? Be vigilant.

You'd expect the first creation to at least do okay. I also expect that. Everyone expected that, even satan must have expected that. Adam was not expected to mess up. He was created good (Genesis 1v31). The title deed of the earth was handed over to him. All he needed not to do was don't eat this one tree, every other thing is yours. He had the job, and had earlier been shown the answers to the aptitude test. All he had to do was pass the test. And then he's coming up with pass the buck excuses.
Now the devil is in charge of confusion, that's why you see many religions looking similar. It's like a road was built/to be built to WONDERLAND, then some mischievous fellow comes up and constructs about 10 roads alongside the real road to WONDERLAND. He's made a round about where there was none. He's even created unnecessary traffic, and some may well say he has brought development and social amenity. But truth is that only one of those roads lead to God. The others, no matter who contructed them, no matter the number of flyovers and lanes on the roads, they don't lead to God.

Ignorance is not an excuse, yep. In the sense that a trailer will not go through a blind man, or mad man, or a baby just because the man or baby is oblivious of the approaching trailer. It will run him down to an early grave. So ignorance is not an excuse my brother. Even God's people perish for lack of knowledge (Hosea 4v6), not to talk of 'who sabi ams'. This of course doesn't rule out God's mercy for we're informed that God is merciful. He tenders judgement with mercy. But I'm not judge, i don't have the final verdict. God cares very much about our actions. How would you feel if your computer behaved anyhow. It's yours! And we're created to show forth God's praise (1Peter 2v9). I'm pleased with your perspective on the executioner, it's spot on.
Now a perfect product can spoil. That's not hard to imagine. Sure it takes an external influence. The serpent and the tree were not internal influences. This is what makes Jesus the 2nd Adam(1 corinthians 15v47). No sin by default, unlike us. But He could sin, just like Adam sinned. Thank God He didn't sin, that's what makes His sacrifice acceptable, He was spotless, clean, holy, by default and by practice/life.

You can't teach a dog to fly. He needs a CONVERSION.

I don't know about the Jesus myth. Is that some article you've read or what?

And let all the people say, Amen. Praise ye the Lord.

senor, vescucci ca va bien.
My point exactly being that you need to accept the Bible 100% if you'll get anything SIGNIFICANT from it's study. God is not the author of confusion, so it's someone else. Taken that there are thousands of gospels, but it's fair to say that none come close to the true gospel. Jesus is the true gospel. The whole of scripture centres on Him. This is remarkable considering that amongst those who penned down the Bible were kings, princes, shepherds, soldiers, statesmen, prophets, poor men, rich men, fishermen etc. The books were written through different ages and by many men who never saw each other's writings prior. This is proof enough to its superiority over other gospels. It's information on human nature and things concerning life and eternity is unparalleled. It's popularity, circulation, translation, and necessity are awesome. Atheists and those from other religions feel uneducated enough without some knowledge of this true gospel. It meets the deepest needs of man's soul and spirit than any other gospel.
The fact that the 66books of the Bible remain despite storms and conflict, confirms its divine origin. God says His words cannot pass away. All you need do is ONLY BELIEVE.

By being the same yesterday, today and forever.

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And have you addressed 'issues raised'? Na today? What of all the ones that have been addressed, did they reach the address?

Oh and believers are supposed to be wearing next to nothing. It's so hot se? And then it's so cold. No be me write Deuteronomy 22v5. Try another excuse abeg.
Ephesians 2v2
Wherein in time past ye
walked according to the
course of this world ,
according to the prince
of
the power of the air, the
spirit that now worketh
in
the children of
disobedience: 3 Among
whom also we all had
our
conversation in times
past
in the lusts of our flesh,
fulfilling the desires of
the flesh and of the
mind;
and were by nature the
children of wrath, even
as
others.
There's an effect on our lifestyle when we become born again/children of God, irrespective of what they wear in Jupiter.

Eh ya! Another pusillanimous fellow in the house. Sorry ehn, i guess you've never seen chickens fight, not to talk of sudden exposure to violence and calamity. Take heart, take real heart, and pls don't wet it.

I think people are reading too much of other books, not the Bible. That's why we appear to be seeing things that are not there. Some of the views that have been ASSERTED here are just not in the Bible. Maybe you saw it in 'da vinci code' or some other book, but not the Bible.e.g

And
men don't need to remove
cap for prayer. Besides , we
are not under law.Even if
we are under the law, The
law was wrongly applied in
the area of fashion by
religious people ignorantly.

1 Corinthians 11v4 Every man
praying or prophesying,
having his head covered,
dishonoureth his head.7 For a
man indeed ought not to
cover his head, forasmuch
as he is the image and
glory of God.
Excuse has already been given about the law, well this is new testament corinthians. I'm sure you run back under the law when quoting passages like Psalm 23, 91, no weapon formed against, ye shall good success, bless your bread and water etc.
Someone else is talking of trousers in winter weather, nonsense. You may as well go unclothed or sun bathing in summer weather. So the females who wear skirt die in winter or what? This is what happens when people accept mini-micros as norm. Try another excuse.
There's no male and female in Jesus se? Little wonder, males are now marrying males since nothing do them in Jesus. Continue deceiving yourself, what a lazy interpretation.

Jesus Christ is the only thing that is consistent, the firm foundation. He was and is and is to come. He is the SAME yesterday, today and forever. Little wonder then that He said "I am THE truth"John 14v6.

We don't bring culture into
Christ.One culture
entertain certain wears
another entertain other
wears. It is not Gods
business. In Israel , there
was no male and female
wear. They all wore
thesame gown, both male
and female.God is not in
fashion as regard sex, And
men don't need to remove
cap for prayer.

You say 'we don't bring culture into Christ', well I'll say people have brought in the white female's culture of wearing trousers. Christ affects our culture. If you're not dressing properly, when you come to Christ you should start to dress properly. It's improper for male/female to go to church bare-chested, with claims that that's his ancestors' culture. Do you go out to church with wrapper or does your wife go to church bare-chested, seeing that's our ancestor's culture? You see those are the excuses I'm concerned with. Someone says Deuteronomy 22v5 is not talking about fashion. What for God's sake is it talking about then. Then Joagbaje gets an applause for saying Jesus wore skirt. Where is that one written in scriptures? The bible doesn't even say that aaron/moses wore skirts. And these are the excuses given against deut 22v5. Sincerely, they're not tenable.

July 10 1Corinthians 10v 12

12. Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

There is a saying that the person who is down needs fear no fall. It is the person on top that needs to be careful. I believe that the same principle is very much set by God in spiritual things. The person in rags can afford to roll on the ground, but the person in white garments is even careful/wary of his own sweat. He's extra cautious when eating, working. He/she even takes extra note when about to sit down.
Believers have their white robe of righteousness on them. Let him that thinks he is standing take heed. Believers need to take heed, be careful, watch. the world, unbelievers can misbehave and do things anyhow, but believers need to behave well and do things decently and in order.
Let's realise that we are peculiar people. Let's live it.

And what is truth? How do you ascertain what makes us less christians or more christians?

While left for me, i've got little or nothing to fret about wearing trousers seeing i'm male, it concerns me, the excuses often given and as seen in this thread. They're simply untenable as they don't hold water, when raw evidence is considered. One says God only looks at the spirit, another that jesus wore skirts, another that women should not wear trousers already worn by men. These sincerely are baseless. Salvation touches every part of a person. It affects spirit, soul and body, not only spirit. And our ways of life change.
Ephesians 2v2
Wherein in time past ye
walked according to the
course of this world ,
according to the prince of
the power of the air, the
spirit that now worketh in
the children of
disobedience: 3 Among
whom also we all had our
conversation in times past
in the lusts of our flesh,
fulfilling the desires of
the flesh and of the mind;
and were by nature the
children of wrath, even as
others.
There's a great change since we got born again. And yes skirts are for the female, men can cover their head with cap, except during prayer/prophecy as scripture teaches. God is a jealous God, and i continue to discover that He'd have us dump our gentile ways for His ways. The detail in which the scriptures talk about dressing is suprising compared to what we subconsciously think.

The drama continues

I'll liken God's foreknowledge in this matter to that of a doctor of a pregnant woman. I'm not declaring it as absolute truth please.
It's like the doctor can see the womb of the pregnant woman, and he says you'll have twins, male and female, and even he can give the date of delivery. This doctor has foreknowledge alright, but couldn't have until the woman got pregnant. And what He's seen and declared can be adjusted by the woman to an extent. Like she could have a miscarriage, or go into early labour, or die. Just a thought sha, hope it helps.

Ehn ehn, no reply. The Bible doesn't say that Moses or Aaron or Jesus wore skirt. Skirt in passage quoted just means hem, edge, end. Like outskirts i.e the ending/ or outer parts. Try another excuse pls.

if you say Adam was created perfect, it would be impossible for him to sin. Simply impossible. It is impossible for Jesus to sin, is it not?

no sir. Adam created perfect doesn't rule out future imperfection, much like a living being born complete/healthy/perfect doesn't rule out future deformity or illness. Now I may not and do not wish to answer all your questions, I think only God can. But let it be more than answering your questions, for there will always be questions. The christian life is a journey that is begun in faith and maintained by faith. I don't know if it's impossible for Jesus to sin NOW, but it wasn't impossible for Him to sin while He was here on earth in flesh. He was tempted and He overcame. We need to also take God's nature into into view/note. God is good, He is just, He is merciful, He is pure, and so we can be assured of His choices or behaviour to an extent. God's will can not just be anything.
And of course, God rewards righteousness, but the foundation of righteousness matters. Like I used an analogy, malt, fine plate, golden table, chicken, these are all good stuff. But they pale out as good when to be taken in conjunctiopn with rotten beans. The spoilt food spoils everything and makes it unfit for consumption. In same vein, the 'infected' nature renders our good works(if we are not converted and cleansed) worthless before God, who sees better and closer. From afar, others might think/scent a great meal, but He who made us, owns us and sees us knows better.
Everyone has a conscience, sure. God put it there. We all have spirit, soul and body. We all have brain, heart, eye, blood etc. It's normal but not a criteria or guarantee for God's certification of our lives/ways. Jesus says its simple to believe. He says "Only believe". Beliving is simply[b] trusting[/b]. Forsake your pride and shame and simply trust. I'm sure you know how to trust. It's like as a little kid, you swing high like there's no tomorrow. Daddy carries you on the neck and mummy throws you up and you smile/laugh. That's trust. You trust that nothing harmful will happen to you, daddy won't drop you, the swing will hold. But as we grow older, we begin to learn about metatarsal, ulna, fibula. Haha, nobody dares swing your arem anyhow now, not to talk of throw you up. Little wonder Jesus said, we must as little children enter into the kingdom of God. It's trust my brother. Faith is simply trusting. F[/b]orsaking [b]A[/b]ll [b]I [b]T[/b]rust [b]H[/b]im. You can trust God today, it's a decision. Decision affects destiny, like you decided to study hard, learn that course, marry, save money etc. The giant steps in life and eternity come/boot with little decisions in our mind.

He can only be influenced by his parents and surroundings. He is responsible for his conduct only once he attains maturity and anything before then matters not. I'm comfortable with that.

One may argue that a child is responsible for his actions at a particular age, but there's no doubt that he can well face the consequences of his actions at any age. Ignoranc e is not an excuse in the law courts, you know. And he's not sinless like you stated. He's already corrupt by default. True, everyone is responsible for himself, but fact remains that we did inherit something. Take for example that you inherited a particular citizenship from your parents, or wealth or poverty. It is sure inherited, and could well dictate your life and destiny, but on the other hand, you can change the tide, from rags to riches, or from abundance to penury due to mismanagement that you are responsible for, or from being a pathetic black slave to the world's beloved. A behavioural trait you inherited cannot be overlooked, or a blood genotype etc. But you still ultimately decide what you do with what you inherit, that's free-will. So nobody has an excuse to languish in an "Adam has put me in trouble" excuse. We can all make our way right by accepting Christ's payment. It's one thing to be offered a gift, it's another to receive it. It's one thing to have money paid on your account, it's another to cash it and use it to your good.
Then also, scriptures say that blood sacrifice s for atonement. Maybe that's part of the 90 that you choose not to believe. See what its already costing you? You can check up passages like Leviticus 17v11, Exodus 29v36, Exodus 30v11. There are dozens more on that but this 3 should do.

vescucci,
Many faiths are beseeching you? How i wish you're not just touched but that you repent. Being a believer is unique from any faith. Jesus says He's the ONLY way to God. God's Word speaks with more authority, certainty and finality than any other faith's. God's Word affect every part of you. Would be good if you were fully christian and believed the Bible 100%. That's the only way that you could truly benefit from it.

8 And the
Lord said unto Moses,
Make thee a fiery serpent,
and set it upon a pole: and
it shall come to pass, that
every one that is bitten,
when he looketh upon it,
shall live. 9 And Moses
made a serpent of brass,
and put it upon a pole,
and it came to pass, that if
a serpent had bitten any
man, when he beheld the
serpent of brass, he lived.
The above was beyond reason and logic, it was a matter of faith. No rationale, just believe, look up.
I'm guessing that there were some people who refused to simply look up, but died instead because they thought the idea was ridiculous.
John 3v14-16
14 And as Moses
lifted up the serpent in the
wilderness, even so must
the Son of man be lifted
up: 15 That whosoever
believeth in him should not
perish, but have eternal
life.
16 For God so loved the
world, that he gave his only
begotten Son, that
whosoever believeth in him
should not perish, but have
everlasting life.
Vescucci, pardon all my stories, the point is that you too can believe. There's little risk in believing. Jesus comes in and pays for your punishment, and gives you power to please God. Yes there's temptation but He gives you power. All you need to do is accept. I beseech you to repent and be CONVERTED.

which kain skirt be that one? Skirt ko, wrapper ni. Pick up other versions if you can't understand the kjv.

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Man is created with a will. That's great power, and it comes with great responsibility. His sin MUST be judged. The soul that sins shall die, the wages of sin is death (Romans 6v23). This is where Jesus the Messiah/Saviour comes in. He takes man's place. He died for our sins, bore our judgement/condemnation. His sacrifice is precious and acceptable because He's a clean sacrifice, No spot, no sin. That's why in the Old testament, a clean animal's blood was temporarily shed. The animal was killed in place of the man. But it wasn't efficient. Man had to be judged for man, and God so loved us that He gave the sacrifice Himself, no man was worthy btw. He helped our helplessness.
Revelations 5v3-5. And no man in heaven, nor
in earth, neither under the
earth, was able to open the
book, neither to look
thereon. 4 And I wept
much, because no man was
found worthy to open and
to read the book, neither
to look thereon. 5 And one
of the elders saith unto
me, Weep not: behold, the
Lion of the tribe of Juda,
the Root of David, hath
prevailed to open the
book, and to loose the
seven seals thereof.
Man's depravity is so pathetic that nobody even in heaven was prepared to help him. But thank God, Jesus came and was sacrificed on our behalf (Romans 5v18).
So costly a sacrifice, yet all that is required of men is to accept it (your will), whosoever believeth in Him would not perish but have life. Our part is so cheap, so easy that we miss it altogether.
Numbers 21v8,9

Then vescucci, you said something about humans having great capacity for doing good. Sure we do, it's just that many of us do not, or is it cannot implement that capacity or potential. The natural man would always tend toward evil. You can observe even little children, they need to be taught and re-taught and then taught, if not forced to do good (e.g say thank you, smile, give etc). But you don't even teach them evil, they have it. They're selfish, angry, can tell lies, and are stubborn, just naturally, contrary to parent's expectation and desire.
It's like spoilt food. It was once good but got spoilt. Nothing can bring it back to good. You may freeze it, warm it, add salt, put it in a fine plate, on a golden table, surround it with chicken and malt. It's still spoilt. It needs a miracle, a CONVERSION, or you discard it. It is spoilt before God. The 99% good done to it cannot make up for the fact that it is spoilt, poisonous. But there is hope, a remedy, a redemption, a CONVERSION.
Romans 5v18b even so
by
the righteousness of one
the free gift came upon
all
men unto justification of
life.
Jesus Christ was sent to remedy the situation. God is not 'seemingly unconcerned', seeing that He promised already in Genesis 3v15 that the Saviour would come.

Now, God's standard is on a strong stand against presumptuous sin.
Hebrews 10v26 For if we sin wilfully
after that we have received
the knowledge of the
truth, there remaineth no
more sacrifice for sins.
Forgiveness for such requires more grace and mercy. Adam's sin can be considered presumptuous, not indirect. See Genesis 3v12,13
12
And the man said, The
woman whom thou gavest
to be with me, she gave me
of the tree, and I did eat.
13 And the Lord God said
unto the woman, What is
this that thou hast done?
And the woman said, The
serpent beguiled me , and I
did eat.
Eve was deceived, but Adam knew very well what he was doing. The two were still punished anyway, but Adam is held responsible. And so, everyone born of Adam is 'infected' already. Adam was not created that way btw, he was created good. Genesis 1v31 And God saw every
thing that he had made,
and, behold, it was very
good. And the evening and
the morning were the sixth
day.
Then went adam and fell into the gutter of sin and blamed others for it, and judgement was passed. That's what made Adam 'corrupt', he failed Eden's test. Of his free-will, he choose the wrong tree, the only tree he was specifically told not to choose.