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Jenwitemi
Who do you think I was referring to, your creator god? No, I'm talking about the only wise God.

What else? Ehnn -a person(christian or otherwise) can suffer because of going beyond his/her strength. If you embark on a project or carry a load heavier than you can bear, you go suffer.
-a christian will suffer because ALL who live godly will suffer persecution. Na Bible talk am.
-a person may suffer if he neglects good actions like prayer, giving. This is allowed to warn him. It's like what's called a yellow card in soccer.
Whatever. Satan is the chief behind the suffering of MANY(christian or otherwise). But thank God that for children of God, He is able to make ALL things work together for good to them that love God (Romans 8v28).
1Peter 1v7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
Christians being special and peculiar can have their sufferings turned into a refining. Just like gold passing through fire. It's not necessarily to prove that the gold is original or pure. The fire refines it and makes it more marketABLE. Satan thinks/hopes his fire will melt us like the others, but we(the gold) come out shining to the glory of God.

Yes back to suffer suffer. I'm not too clear on the OP's inquiry. Is it why do christians suffer OR while does anyone suffer OR what's christian perspective on anyone's suffering OR . . . , but not to worry, i'll attempt to touch it generally. There are various reasons for suffering, much as there are various kinds of suffering.
-a person(christian or otherwise) can suffer because of ill advice.
-a person(christian or otherwise) can suffer because of hasty decision or action.
-a person(christian or otherwise) can suffer because of wrong actions earlier in life. You reap what you sow.
-a person(christian or otherwise) can suffer because of others. Like if your dad lost his job, you're likely to suffer mehn.
-a person(christian or otherwise) can suffer because of sin, your sin or others'.
-a person(christian or otherwise) can suffer because of someone else's carelessness. Like passengers in a car accident.
-a person(christian or otherwise) can suffer because of not trusting God. God can decide to punish an individual's self-reliance or pride.

I don suffer abi suffer it to be so.

God says Calamity/Sorrow/Woe to the foolish prophets. See that? Foolish prophets follow their own spirit . Our own spirits are NOT to be followed, neither our heart nor our free-minds. We're to follow God, follow Jesus, follow the Holy Spirit, follow godly examples and lifestyles. Watch it. What are you following? Or worse still, are you a goat, who will naturally not follow? Have you got a mind of your own to follow, an ungodly freedom?
Foolish people have seen nothing, at least not from God. Don't let them deceive you, and don't be pressured to join them. From today, determine to be more ready to hear, than to give the sacrifice of fools.

July 13 Ezekiel 13v3

3. Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing!

God is eternal Judge. Here in today's passage, we see Him pronounce woe upon some set of people. Woe is sorrow, gloom, disaster. That exactly, is what awaits people who do not obey God.
It's not strange to see people declaring and prophesying today in various assemblies. It's usual to be told to 'say to your neighbour', or 'say to seven people'. Point is that the pressure is there. Both sheep and goat can be found speaking in other languages, and feeling the 'presence of God', and everyone is tempted to join in. But God does not consider such as a wise action.

why are you then forcing your interpretation of  the truth in deut on others?? let them rightly divide the truth by themselves

I don't even even think that I've said women should not wear trousers. You may quote me wrong and I will apologise. It becomes ridiculous then for you to say that I'm FORCING anything on you. I'm not your conscience man. I'm not forcing you. I'm only examining your traditional beliefs. It seems you can't see the word rightly in that phrase/verse. When you divide the word, you can do it anyhow, as you please. But to RIGHTLY divide is something different. It is to align with God. Like I said, you need the next Bible school form, it will help you

Do not judge,  You may be right but at the same time you may be wrong. there is no human being dat can come now and say he is 100 % sure of what God meant

Stop all these lazy generalisations. This is the type of stuff that give all these unbelievers a fill day sometimes on nl. so what if I'm right and you're wrong. I've you truly considered that? Are you on the safe side, assuming you were female?

that which pertaineth unto a man" is always going to be a topic of controversy

You may want to read about cross dressing, perhaps on wikipedia. It may amaze you how recent women began to 'pertain trousers' for themselves. Study for a change. Don't just read, study so that you'll not be as ashamed as you look right now. And don't leave the thread, whatever that means.

if you are smart enough you will know i was giving an example when i said me and my sister have an eye on the trouser.

This is a lazy lie. I trusted you to be honest because you claimed to be a believer. Here's what you said.

both me and my sister have an eye on it ,

Is that what your ilk calls a white lie or what. Sorry, I no dey for that kain smart. I'm not a liar.

(you were hasty to condemn people wearing trousers with little knowledge of the book or deut or the 22nd chapter or what pertaineth to a man really means. you were shown pictures of trousers and you couldn't answer which sex they pertained to)

You need to update on the meaning of the word condemn, I've not condemned anyone on this thread. i've simply said excuses against Deut 22v5 are untenable. Excuses like Jesus wore skirt, we're not under the law, why are you not stoning, why are you using canvass and internet etc. they don't apply to the matter on ground. If you feel condemned, maybe it's your conscience that condemns you, not me!

SO rightly dividing the truth is your interpretation of the bible right?.

Here's what you said again incase you can't recollect.

so i should learn to divide the word of truth look @ your statement, i cant believe that just came from you, mr following the entirety of the bible.

I should now divide it?? follow some and not follow some? Now you are , contradicting yourself and making no sense whatsoever, this entire post came from your head God said these are his commandments, you say they are human judgments against wrong, and they are lumped is that in your own bible


Quote book chapter and verse please where this is said please

Obviously you didn't know that I was quoting scriptures when I said rightly dividing the word. Now you're playing smart, humble yourself and learn.

No more like satan wants you to delay and to make the wrond decision. But God wants you to repent. 2Peter 3v9 (not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance)

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It's not irrelevant. It's what they call doctrine. But it has nothing to do with you. The most important issue is that there's a decision that you ought to make. and you've not made it. You're exercising your freewill and procrastinating friend.

It's not that, "we not under the law, so it's okay to commit idolatry, or fornication/adultery". But that we don't need to stone them now, but pray for them and forgive them. That's grace, that's NT. Applying that to Deuteronomy 22v5, the passage doesn't talk about any action towards defaulters. It doesn't instruct stoning/killing. That's why we don't lump them together. And even if we were to stone them in the OT, which it doesn't indicate, the NT says don't stone them. Show grace/don't stone is not equal to license to commit idolatry or fornication/adultery or to put on what pertains to opposite gender. I do wish you have a clearer understanding of what I'm saying. I'll wait small before i continue, for now it's till later in the day.

Deuteronomy 13v10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. 22v13. If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her,21. Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the LovePeddler in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.
I believe those are the verse you've been meaning to quote and asking why i'm not doing them? When i say they refer to human judgement, this is clear from the text na. The offenders are brought before human judges for idolatry or fornication/adultery. Their sentence is death by stoning. That's human judgement. It's not 'jungle justice', they're brought before a kind of court and judged by humans. But Jesus gives some respite in Matthew 5v44 for example. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.
And be merciful for your Father is merciful. We're now to show more mercy/grace.

I've never adviced anyone to go to Bible school, you're going to be the first. I think you may need Bible school, you don't even seem to grasp the basics. My God! Do take your Bible study seriously and think well before you post. Don't let any of those non God-fearing posters catch you here on nl o! So i have to quote each sentence you make to show that i've replied them. Don't buy me no trousers please. Thought you said you're interested in it? Abi you're just lying since you're not under the law.

both me and my sister
have an eye on it , are
you now saying if my
sister buys it then its
feminine and if i buy it
then it is masculine??
what if i buy it for her

so i should learn to
divide the word of truth
look @ your statement, i
cant believe that just
came from you, mr
following the entirety of
the bible.
I should now divide it??
follow some and not
follow some? is that
what your own bible tells
you? Now you are talking
entirely from your head,
contradicting yourself
and making no sense
whatsoever, this entire
post came from your
head and not the bible.
not a single scripture to
back it up.

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Proverbs 29v20 Seest thou a man that is hasty in his words there is more hope of a fool than of him.
2Timothy 2v15. 15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Actually, it's not about wanting to spend eternity. It's about WHERE will you spend eternity. Love it or hate it, eternity is real, and for every soul. Hope yours will be an heavenly eternity though.

Yes, and what other way can one believe in the trinity. Besides, that not an issue compared to our discuss here.

YeS, make i balance small.
Let me help your ignorance. You need to pray and study the Bible well, if you'll learn to rightly divide the Word of truth. Or else, you'll continue to stammer and fumble with your fingers. The passages you've quoted from Deuteronomy, in what context are they? They are talking about judgement, human judgement against wrong. Grace has not made the wrong bold or right in the NT. It has simply introduced grace and mercy in judgement. Jesus said in Matthew, ye have heard, BUT I SAY! He allowed for grace, not that fornication/adultery or idolatry is now permitted. No, but strict human judgement was replaced with grace. Now Deuteronomy 22v5 or any of the passages I quoted do not talk about human judgement. It's wrong to lump them all together.
O and to add, so you're actually eying that trouser, whoops

vescucci.
Yes, it's possible for you to pray to God the Father. And you feel awkward about it, speak to Jesus, He'll simply speak to God on your behalf. John 14v9b(He that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?). Jesus also said he that comes to me, I will not cast out. He's left us all without excuse. The call. The ball is in your court.

Oki, thou art wrong. The earth is just 30% land and there are hectares X acres of land that are just fallow, then to consider the solar system, or the universe. And we've not discussed the new Jerusalem, or Heaven. Space yapa. In my Father's house there are many mansions. If it were not so I WOULD HAVE TOLD YOU. John 14v1-3. Jesus Christ is alive and well. We still spoke today.

Good. Thou shalt get an explanation, it's another thing if you'll be content though.
Hebrews 13v8. Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today and forever.
Revelation 1v8. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Here is Jesus Christ in revelation showing Himself alive and revealing Himself as consistent. He died and rose again. He is unique. No other being has claimed to die and rise again and be alive forever more. He's so alive and willing to reveal Himself to anyone who desires to know Him more. He's revealed Himself to many around us.

2 Timothy 3v13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing
of whom thou hast learned
them.
Endure to the end and be a light to others around you. Jesus is coming soon.

You're very sharp to think that I'm referring to you. Ever heard about the term 'prop' yommyuk?

Did i just get you stammering? hehehe

AS regards the trouser in
the previous page
you not knowing who
bought the trouser
before making your
judgment is the most is
the most childish and
contradictory statement
you can ever make

Take it easy o! Did you read my post at all? We'll talk later ehn

What do you want tudor, Bible verse or 40 lines explaining the above. Your wish is my comma.

Ahha, well done yommyuk.
But i'm concerned, why is a man so concerned about cash and gain? Does he think that gain is godliness? God help us o.

Deuteronomy 4v2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.
You can see you're breaking the law mr, jail beckons, lol.
On a light note, the Bible isn't all about Deuteronomy 13 or what. It is from Genesis to Revelation. And i obey it with regards to the FULL message, not partial message. I have SCRIPTURES for why I'm not to stone anyone. You don't have scriptures for why you should do something abominable to God, do you?
I hope you know now that you were actually beating about the bush with your canvass, donkey, sinner, t-shirt talks. On your one and only, let me incense you a little. Sorry i don't know the owner of the trouser. It could have been bought by anyone, i can't say who bought it. hehehehe. So you're yelling judge not, and then telling me that I'm not qualified! Assignment- Go and read matthew 7v1-29

Obojo
You were so busy quoting passages in deuteronomy so I joined you and quoted some na. So, it's safe to say that the passages quoted are irrelevant to you then,ok. Hear yourself again

Deuteronomy focuses on the law given to the Israelites as they were about to enter the promise land, How is this an excuse?

So the book focuses on that, therefore what? That's my point. Is that an excuse not to regard the book or any chapter in it? Exodus focuses on the coming out from egypt, so what? Genesis focuses on the beginning of man, so what? Are those excuses for us to dismiss the books?
You seem to have a little understanding of issues in the Bible if you say a book there encourages killing. You could as well complete the rout and observe the supposed contradictions in other books so we can dump them all. When a christians starts to talk with the same understanding as an atheist, there's a problem

vescucci
hi. Now talking about faith, faith without works is dead. You can show your faith by your works, it's very easy. You don't of necessity need to feel or have great faith to be saved by Jesus. He recognises tiny faith, what is called mustard seed size. That one will do the job. God has promised that WHOSOEVER shall CALL on the name of the Lord shall be SAVED(Romans 10v13). That is the work that shows that there's faith. Call. The call is a simple prayer. Just an acknowledgement that God can hear you, and then you begin the call. Simply in your words tell Him. God I'm sorry for offending you, I accept Jesus' payment for my sins, I don't want to offend you again, help me God.
That's the wisest step anyman ever took, so easy we often miss it. vescucci please, Jesus can visit you today. That's what is called repentance.

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By being the same personality He was yesterday today and forever. hahaha

Human beings are not just body. We all have spirit, soul and body. There is an afterlife.

Thanks good night. I'm just going to sleep now when I saw this. Hope i won't need an usher in church today.

the fact that there was no male fashion or female fashion in israel those days. They all wore thesame gown!

See what concerns me here. Without any real proof to fall back on, someone says no male or female fashion in those days. How, why? Where did you see it?
Deu 6:16 Ye shall not tempt the LORD your God, as ye tempted him in Massah.
Deu 28:1 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:
I'm guessing the above quotes are also irrelevant to you, or you love the pick and choose method. Do i know you from somewhere?

Deuteronomy is one of the most controversial books in the bible.
Deuteronomy focuses on the law given to the Israelites as they were about to enter the promise land

Yet another outlandish statement, little scriptural base, excuses.
You don't get it do you? serving God according to my own interpretation of the Bible doesn't cut it. I must serve God on His terms, his truth, His own interpretation. My likes or dislikes to wear are of little significance, it's what God likes and what He considers ABOMINABLE that is important. Beating around the bush ke? Do you know what you're saying or you're feeling sleepy. I'M SPECIFICALLY HITTING ON TROUSERS WHILE YOU'RE TALKING OF CARS AND DONKEYS and t-shirts and sinners

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You're the one with a defence to make, not me. Do I know you mr?