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Hey, I didn't mean to make it hard though. Guess I need to tone down with him still, and do hope God opens his eyes and all eyes to the best.

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I'm rarely suprised, but it suprises me how you pass off to some as a christian. Thank God I saw you before your fruits. Keep your 'complements', they're not helping you.

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What could you have to say? It's not your first lie today, is it? Go and repent, it's what you need, not necessarily having your last say as usual.

Your excuses will only excuse you from God's best. It's obvious my claims were not unfounded. You've been served the truth misters.

dollz
How much is your ericsson phone plus whats d contact?

leadership
was found through the
simple process of people
knowing themselves and
thus putting the most
respected elders as leaders.
Read "Elders" as PLURAL
(chosen through natural
selection of maturity).

This above is not yet in the normal Bible. 'putting the most respected elders' like who in the Bible? Not spiritual leaders. Spiritual leaders are chosen by God, it's not a majority carries the vote thing. The body of Christ is not a club. I doubt if there's any spiritual leader from Genesis to Revelation appointed by respect and maturity consensus.

Responsible
people collected and
shared money DONATED
FOR THE POOR, not for the
ministry pastor as you do
today.
And one last thing
Joagbaje, the Gospel spread
so much that YOU HEARD
IT, even though Churches
didn't collect money for
themselves but for the
poor. Churches gave not
collected.

I'll ask again, who are the poor? Do you really know? Guy, don't blow/burn your money or others'.
I respect and I give to beggars but that's never the ultimate. Peter and John didn't carry money to the beautiful gate for such donations. I look at the acts of the apostles hoping to find so many references to the dear poor. Sorry, I can't even locate(in KJV) the word 'poor'. They weren't the centre/chief focus of the early disciples. There's more to LIFE than poverty. See ya in the morning and pls no 'emotionals'

"administrative structures"
belong in government and
business. The church is the
body of Christ. Jesus is its
Head i.e. brain. Are you
telling us here that it is
your tummy that
administers the church's
structure? So thank you
but NO, in the Biblical
context, there is no
administration except that
of Jesus Himself
Let me speed this all up.
The Bible does NOT HAVE
ONE SINGLE PASTOR over a
flock.

I'll add that Joagbaje has done abit of explanation on this. You probably need to read up church history also. Revelation 2&3 were addressed to the leader/pastor/angel of a church(es).

there was no
central administration i.e.
no branches and no
remittances to the head-
quarters. Thus leadership
was found through the
simple process of people
knowing themselves and
thus putting the most
respected elders as leaders.
Read "Elders" as PLURAL
(chosen through natural
selection of maturity).

Acts 15v2 When
therefore Paul and
Barnabas had no small
dissension and disputation
with them, they
determined that Paul and
Barnabas, and certain other
of them, should go up to
Jerusalem unto the
apostles and elders about
this question.
In this passage, Jerusalem was reported to. They were headquarters and perceived to be pillars. Also 1Thessalonians 2 talks about churchES in Judea, where Jerusalem is, not just one church but what can be rightly called branches. Bible talks about gatherings/collections for the Jerusalem church so stop saying there were no remittance to the headquarters. Scripture is profitable for doctrine.

God ’s a Father not a
Chairman/CEO.

God is Father. Add to it that God is also a Master among other things.
Matthew 23v8 But be not
ye called Rabbi: for one is
your Master, even Christ;
and all ye are brethren.
Let's have/see a 'full' Revelation/perspective, not half or partial.

explain
what Jesus meant in Matt
23 when, after He insulted
the pharisees who like titles
and want to be called
CLOSER TO GOD (MOGs)
AND SO SIT IN MOSES
SEAT, told HIS OWN to
avoid all such.

I don't think the right word here is 'insult' AND I don't see where Jesus tells HIS OWN to avoid all such. At least, not in the passage in question. Here's the passage
Matthew 23v1 Then spake Jesus to the
multitude, and to his
disciples, 2 Saying, The
scribes and the Pharisees sit
in Moses' seat: 3 All
therefore whatsoever they
bid you observe, that
observe and do; but do not
ye after their works: for
they say, and do not.

Why
can't they push you to
study and develop
DIRECTLY under the Holy
Spirit?

Christianity isn't all about bestowing your goods to feed the poor, that is only your own opinion. Any philanthropist of any/without any religion can do that.
Believers are to develop themselves, yes but there's little sanity in 'PUSHING others'. Nuclear, I'm suprised, don't you recall "don't push, there enough space around"? There's time for everything. No believer is required to forsake fellowship/others. We should all personally study, but not at the detriment/negligence of communion. The spirit of isolation craved for is of the devil. Self independence is not of God but of the world.
Ephesians 4v11 And he gave
some, apostles; and some,
prophets; and some,
evangelists; and some,
pastors and teachers; 12
For the perfecting of the
saints, for the work of the
ministry, for the edifying of
the body of Christ:
God has given us His method, not some isolation claiming direct holySpirit teaching. This same drive was what pushed Adam and Eve, the quest to know things for themselves independent of God's approved way. It only leads to KNOW you're naked and sends you out of God's Eden, back to square zero needing redemption.

Are
we not ALL equal brethren
according to Jesus?

According to Jesus, no we're not.
Matthew 23v11
But he that is greatest
among you shall be your
servant. 12 And whosoever
shall exalt himself shall be
abased; and he that shall
humble himself shall be
exalted.
It is clear from this passage you initially quoted, except satan has blinded you. There are leaders and there's an attitude excepted of them. Sorry, it's not an attitude of equality, let your righteousness exceed the pharisees'. There are divine exaltations and debasements, everyone isn't equal. It's a fine idea, but that's where it stops, fine not scriptural.
2Timothy 2v20 But in a great
house there are not only
vessels of gold and of
silver, but also of wood
and of earth; and some to
honour, and some to
dishonour. 21 If a man
therefore purge himself
from these, he shall be a
vessel unto honour,
sanctified, and meet for
the master's use, and
prepared unto every good
work.
I'll add romans 14v1Him that is weak in the
faith receive ye, but not
to doubtful disputations.
Some people are weak and some are stronger. Some can lead, some are lead. Believers are one in unity and in fellowship, but it's only an ignorant person that will argue that all believers operate in equal level of anointing or ability. And respect should be given to whom due and honour to whom honour.

But
many are also poor - why
can't we help these as God
planned tithes for rather
than making church to be
only about money money
money with that not going
to the needy but to
pastors.
I hope you get MY OWN
point now. That is how I
define "Christian".

Numbers 18v20 And the Lord spake
unto Aaron, Thou shalt
have no inheritance in their
land, neither shalt thou
have any part among them:
I am thy part and thine
inheritance among the
children of Israel. 21 And,
behold, I have given the
children of Levi all the
tenth in Israel for an
inheritance, for their service
which they serve, even the
service of the tabernacle of
the congregation.
God didn't plan tithes just for the poor, why must you pick and choose? Tithes was ALSO an 'addition' to the provision made for the levites and priests. God Himself was their inheritance, they were not just existing by the grace of tithes. They weren't 'needy'. It was their inheritance.

Do
you see him asking for
tithe? Imagine what Paul
could ask of those who
witnessed when a deadly
snake bit him and nothing
happened to him? Does
the Bible not have him
saying he wants no man's
money but prefers to pay
his own way himself? These
were Christians - they
believed God's reward is in
the next world.

This thread isn't on tithe, why does it hook you up so? So Paul wanted nothing from anyone se? You should have added that he did RECEIVE. Stop painting pictures that are not. Reward isn't ONLY in the next world. Jesus said the labourer is worthy of his reward. Even in the passage you misquoted, Paul received somethingS from that trip to Melita.
Acts 28v10 Who
also honoured us with
many honours; and when
we departed, they laded us
with such things as were
necessary.
Of course, there should be contentment and moderation in all we do, but we shouldn't seek to achieve it by deceit or deliberately ignoring the full truth. Half truths are damning.

nuclearboy:
^^ You had time to say you "make that CLEAR" but not to "back it up"? But you've posted on other threads on NL (money based of course since that is what matters to you) (as usual without scriptural backing) though you're not free till "later in the week"?

Yorubas say an Ibadan LIAR says his witnesses are far away in Kano (after this page will have passed and been forgotten)

Empty head worshipping men like himself and money. Balaam's donkey would have refused to carry you

Couldn't you tarry till later in the week? Do you realise that patience is a mark of a believer. Anyway, to your issues.

the Christian life would be
one of persecution but
that we have a reward - IN
HEAVEN and inside
ourselves

Your above quote from post 6 depicts that believers have no rewards on EARTH. Of course believers have reward in heaven but the full truth is that they also have rewards on earth. Half truths are as damning, poison is poison whether it's diluted or conc. God has promised to supply all the needs of His own, and it's on this earth(Philippi 4v19). We sure have some hope in THIS WORLD, not only IN HEAVEN. And we can look forward to the fulfilment of God's promises.
Mark 10v30 But he shall receive an
hundredfold now in this
time , houses, and brethren,
and sisters, and mothers,
and children, and lands,
with persecutions; and in
the world to come eternal
life.

laqui:
it is an assignment,do it now.

i need to submit in few huors, now pls help out.

Doth thou seek earthly reward to help a friend? lol

following your
logic, Paul had no
BUSINESS CORRECTING
Peter

No, the logic is that not anybody could talk anyhow to Peter of his own, but somebody of the status of Paul. In God's house, everything is done decently and in ORDER. Just like in a family, if the 'head' does wrong, it's not necessarily every harry that can correct him. plus the way A can correct him is different from the way B can correct him. A faceless graceless figure cannot correct leaders as if he's correcting his househelp at home. That's the context who's peter and who's paul.

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The above misquote is any lie from the devil. Where is peter and where is paul? All these talk is just exhibition of the spirit of lucifer the proud. As usual you've simply picked what seems to suit you from scripture. You have no idea what it means to be a man after God's heart, how could you? You can't teach a dog to fly, the best he could try is to be a mascot bird. Sure he looks like a bird, he does look like a bird.

mamagee
Methinks if truly the super eagles were praying (a thing I so much doubt), well yakubu was not in agreement with the prayer. He was nonchalantly busy with his boots instead, watch the beginning of that match's 2nd half, so he's a lesson to many. hahahahaha. I wonder who they were probably praying to sha.

Oga Image123, you need to
come explain what you
mean by 'dissociating from
the EXTREME'

Zikkyy, by dissociating from the extreme, I mean you're seperating or disconnecting yourself(through your posts) from the EXTREME view I thought you belonged to.

e36991
Thanks, I saw your reply and it's a relief to hear. God is with us

Get a real job dude!
You are probably too
"young" to understand
most of the materials here
but knock your self out. I
don't follow, I lead fellow
men. Are you the same
fellow who accused folks
of "blaspheming" against
your "MOGs" na wa for
waec oooo (you're
probably too young for
WASC/WAEC)
Take it easy "kid"!

Hi, I don't really understand what you mean by me getting a real job. Anyways, you see I like your own name, it agrees with you. I think it's Oga Jim. henhen, that's a master Oga, who doesn't follow.lol
On your question, I've not accused folks of blasphening against my MOGs, i don't thunk I even fully comprehend that statement.

nuclearboy:
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Has it become so bad for you that you have now taken Nopugeater as a mentor and are imitating his english? Has your life come to so miserable a point that first you copy us (prop etc), then you copy Viaro (tithephobia etc) and now are copying senile story-tellers?  You really are pathetic, you know. What was everyone around you looking at whist you degenerated to this level? Or did you fall and hit your head against the ground whist a baby?

And when will this your skulking around like a vulture or rabid dog following me around NL end, ehn? You remind me more and more of tales of retarded children of a angeldust addict. Imcomplete function yet given no care. Go take a bath - even online, you stink.

boy ko, schoolmaster ni!

Waoh! I really must have hit a bone this time. I want to apologise, nuclearboy Sorry. But, would I say I'm suprised? By their fruits we know them. Where for God's sake is grace? Even an unbeliever is saying easy please. I've told you before, you need a dip in the blood of Christ.

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Thanks for sharing, but what has the news above got to do with the topic? Learn to keep your disgust where it belongs.

Matthew 10v9 Provide neither
gold, nor silver, nor brass in
your purses, 10 Nor scrip
for your journey, neither
two coats, neither shoes,
nor yet staves: for the
workman is worthy of his
meat. 11 And into
whatsoever city or town ye
shall enter, enquire who in
it is worthy; and there
abide till ye go thence. 12
And when ye come into an
house, salute it. 13 And if
the house be worthy, let
your peace come upon it:
but if it be not worthy, let
your peace return to you.
14 And whosoever shall
not receive you, nor hear
your words, when ye
depart out of that house
or city, shake off the dust
of your feet.
You'll note here that the preachers were to be taken care of by others, and that involved money not just God bless you mouthtalk. When Jesus was to feed the thousands in Luke 9, it involved someone's financial sacrifice AND divine intervention. And if you know your Bible well, going without scrip or purse was not permanent status quo, as they were merely leveraging on the physical presence of the bridegroom.

Most of what nuclearpapa is posting here is poison mixed with truth. I just want to make that CLEAR. Sorry, no time to back that up now but will try to before the week runs out. This guy is being mightily used of the devil and doesn't seem to know it, chei!

You and the "numbered"
dude can't ride viaro's gravy
train all the way without
giving your own side now,
we now understand viaro's
take on tithes and how he
doesn't like both
EXTREMES, where are you
two?
"Investment banking"
Christianity is WRONG and
folks ought to know that
no matter who get's pissed
about it, some of us are
too GROUNDED/SECURE in
our beliefs to bother about
the "output" of some
"executed program", see
where this is going?
I don't need to disclose my
giving to NO ONE and not
obligated to but you can
do that if that works for
you

What's with you guys and viaro? Talk about 'propping'. Are you guys so desperate for association? It's obvious that you tithephobics are on one of the said EXTREMES. Many 'emotional outbursts' have revealed so, though it seems you(Ogagim) and perhaps Zikkyy are dissociating from the EXTREME.
I've seen some of you are too grounded in fear. That's why we're here, to help you. I've not come here urging anyone to give(tithes), have I? But I speak when phobics seek to turn the hearts of the people through deceitful talk and misquote of scripture.
One needs to speak when the likes of nuclearpapa thinks himself the ancient of days, and yet hypocritically tries to pass off as a boy. And that's just the story of his nl life, hypocrisy!

^someone who will do anything of significance in this world must use money. Money is a defence. The person who wants to spread the gospel effectively must eat, transport himself and take care of others. You're not more spiritual than Jesus who himself talked about and spent money. You're not on the internet free, are you?

e36991
Please I'm just curious. Hope nuclearboy didn't have emotional outbursts in your private discuss? I'm really hoping someone can tell him in private to forget sheer folly. He doesn't seem to see things easily in public.

Babaearly
No mind nuclearboy and hin cohorts this early morning. Thier phobia tire even me.

lol. See phobia written in blue black.

Ge gen! I just found one of my long lost brother. Welcome, o welcome cicero the wise.
Nuclearboy and his cohorts delight in spotting holes with XL focus concentration. Pls be aware

I think I agree 100% with Zikkyy on this one. Nobody can live on this one earth without money involved.

nuclearboy
Stop accusing me of saying things I didn't say. Must you always be dishonest? You have computer and internet IN NIGERIA!, but pastors should be 'suffering'. How myopic does it get with you? What do you understand by persecution?
I've said it before (strong likelihood you wouldn't remember, you'll only recall me saying things I've never said) that there are false teachers and false brethren all over, and that we're to stay away from such. But they are no means to 'throw the kid out with the dirty water'.

nuclearboy
When will you start to be honest? It's open to many that the anti-tither's base is fear. They are THE TITHEPHOBICs. I recall you screaming in utter anguish "I HAVE EVERYTHING against tithes". Sorry if such forgettable memories trouble you, as I see your 'diplomacy' on this page.
BTW, does God hate an uncheerful giver? Will someone go to hell if he gives of necessity? Who are the poor?