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I'm literally laughing and rolling on my bed. How can you(garyarnold) argue that Malachi is written to priests abi na levites when we quote it, then throw it back and address it against people who preach tithes. I guess viaro's absence brought you back, hahaha. Was a terror to your soul right? pe o!
And none of the tithephobics can even see through. Bunch of pharisaic hypocrites.

What is this gary? Now you're bringing in private interpretation. That same passage says bring all the tithes. You can't argue that it addresses levites or is law, then come back to quote it. Are you desperate?

I thought I'll see some damnable terrible heresy. What's the big deal you're fuming about here? Is it really the message or more likely the messenger? Does charity fail then? Is love no more 'fail-proof', seeing your translation is that love lasts forever? BTW, I barely know the messenger of which you speak. I don't have any of his books or cassettes (surprisingly, I won't be shocked to learn that you have them) before you start labelling him my hero or 'mog'. There are more needful things in God's kingdom than bile.

Why do ye not understand my speech? I've not said there's something wrong with being cheerful. I've said it's not a foundation, a must on which giving is premised. Yes, our attitude should be cheerful. That's an exhortation, it doesn't plan in anyway to debar anyone from giving. Every man should give, let him give! Actually verse 4 of that passage connotes that not giving is a shame.
I'll allude to praise. Good christians know that they must GIVE praise. The COMMAND is to rejoice in the Lord always. Even when it hurts, we praise God. Infact, I'm told that such actions spur miracles. If we choose to rejoice, give praise whether grudgingly, in necessity, or cheerfully, in season and out of season. Why should the attitude be viewed like a sin, with contempt when it touches our pocket? The best attitude for praise is still cheerfully, but nothing debars us from giving praise when we're sad or unwilling.

aletheia
You ought to understand that I'm not exactly seeking commendation, but with the hope that truth will prevail in hearts.
When YOU say that I wrote it's irrelevant whether the person is cheerful or not, it can easily erode/distort some meaning of the post. I think I said 'it is IRRELEVANT to HIM' (the giver). I didn't generalise the 'irrelevance', neither did I state that it's irrelevant before God, please note.
Also if you'll recall, I was talking on cheerful as being overbloated/unbalanced. I talked of the impression created and attacked it in that view. I emphasised on giving, founded on love's grace, not on cheerfulness. I'm not sure antitithers will go well with prompt giving, they'll likely think it has coerced, fleecing, of necessity.

Nuclearboy
They were 4 consecutive posts not 3. I'm not suprised anyway. It's fast becoming your trademark to pick and choose from God's words how much less mine. What's number of posts got to do with the matter btw? It's obvious to any unbiased person that you barely read(maybe skimmed through) the posts but was more eager to click on reply and have 'the last say'. Hypocrites. As usual, you didn't deal with issues raised but resorted to bitterness and mudslinging. Same goes for kunle. I wonder why the heathen rage and the people unite together to imagine a vain thing.

InesQor
Thanks a lot. It's clearer especially with 1 Corinthians 1. A blessed sunday to you too.

Hello,
I was on Proverbs 8 where we read of the importance or praise of wisdom. I have a little question, I don't know if you could help. It's a little thing I think, because by His grace, I have the two/one. Was just curious, I don't remember where exactly, but I heard before that wisdom in Proverbs 8 is the Lord Jesus. Reading through 8, the attributes of wisdom aptly describes Christ, but on the other hand, I think Jesus created wisdom and not that they're the same. It's not a disturbing issue like I said, but if you had some clarifications, I'd be gladys.

kunle
Obviously, you've not read Hebrews 7, maybe you've seen it but I think you've not read it. And stop all this Deuteronomy 14 stuff, you've being told times without number that there're other forms of tithe. Stop seeking to confuse others, it's pharisaic and last I heard, even that sect loves to tithe as they love to give alms too.

Who will dwell in God's holy hill? Among other criteria, it is he that sweareth to his own hurt and changeth not. He has purposed to continue to give. It's IRRELEVANT to him whether he's cheerful or not. Even if it hurts, yet he gives. This is holiness and only true children of God can show this. It's not about singing in choir before Awolowo finished primary school or 'doing fine' for many years. Anybody can be happy/cheerful. Heard someone say "you can be happy/cheerful and not get to heaven". You can be smoking hemp, drinking, be deep in immorality and still be cheerful/happy. Giving should definitely not be founded on such triviality. BTW, how happy was Jesus Christ when He gave His life? Did God not love Him? He was sorrowful, and very heavy, even unto death, yet He gave. Did God hate this uncheerful giver? His disciples weren't cheerful about it. Even God didn't seem that cheerful about it. Yet He gave. Even Paul's service was sometimes out of necessity. 'He' wrote 2Corinthians 9. Hey, he also wrote 1Corinthians9v16. Necessity is laid upon me, woe is me if I preach not. I'm a debtor. He gave out of necessity. He wasn't using necessity as an excuse. No christian has an excuse not to give. It's devil's lie to say 'hey, if you're not cheerful don't give'. This is scriptures, it's not just about tithes. Let's outgrow narrow perceptions and know God more.

Yes nuclearboy
Back to you. You failed to answer my questions, hope they're not tough on you? Does God hate an uncheerful giver? Is it a sin or are you going to hell if you give uncheerfully?
You should note that I was addressing all the tithephobics, so stop screaming 'I HAVE EVERYTHING against tithes'.
Now to help you and perhaps others on both sides of the divide, all children of God should know or begin to know that christian giving is based on love's grace, not on happiness/cheerfulness. All the 'if you don't feel good about it, it's wrong don't do it' and vice versa idea is not of God, but another gospel.
The idea that a 200naira offering collection in church service is just right, cheerful, acceptable, not of necessity. But a 100 000naira offering seems borne of necessity, a coerced offering, fleecing. The idea is O, the pastor has eaten this morning, the church doesn't need this 'luxury'. This should've been given to the poor. Sounds more like Judas Iscariot to me. But this is the impression rolled out by anti-tithers.
I believe that a true christian should if possible ALWAYS give. It's just like salvation, it's a command to repent, but still involves a free will. A wise person knows it's inherently compulsory then to repent. I'll say the same for giving(any form). Only a foolish person will purpose/choose not to give. We're commanded to give e.g Luke6 but it still involves our will.

Zikkyy
If you could recall, you made baseless accusations as regards my habit, fear and exit. It is to this that I said you were dishonest. I wasn't even having your modifications in mind. Like I implied, I don't exactly mind about the modification, as you've shown it to be your hobby.
I said 'see what you(plural) said AMONG OTHERS', and I went ahead with indirect quotes from 2 or 3 tithephobics on their ideas on tithe. But trust you guys with your instinct for narrow thinking, picking and choosing my posts to suit your depraved intellects.

Zikky
You're making baseless accusations. Being a tithephobic isn't an excuse for dishonesty, being a sinner is.
Making modifications to my posts is normal for you. At least, you're fond of doing it to God's Word, removing and adding as you please.

Nuclearboy
I'll be back to address your sorryness. I've more serious issues to attend to now, than light matters like tithes.

2Corinthians 9v6 every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
As he purposeth in his heart speaks of determination, what he determines. It's not speaking of following your heart. Follow your mind/heart is new age stuff. We're to follow God. Ogagim is close to it in his laboured clarification.
I want to also say that this verse is overbloated by tithephobics. Men have rather made a mountain out of a molehill in this case. And I think the overratings has got the devil at the back and helm. Just because scripture is quoted doesn't necessarily make the statement truth. Devil specialises in halftruths, seemingly quoting God's Word to Eve, even to Jesus. People are saying God loves a cheerful giver with the impression created that one should not give (offering, or tithes or anything) except you're cheerful. i.e people shouldn't give until they feel like it. Well, is anyone going to hell if they give uncheerfully,no? Does God hate an uncheerful giver, I ask?

These tithephobics never look at issues presented them(well that's a characteristic of fear,it paralyzes), they keep looking for holes and seeming weak points to attack. Did you also notice that I said that I'll rather take God's Words? Of course not! Your trade is to pick and choose, and make mountains out of molehills.
They'll claim not to have problem with tithe if. . . So now, tithes are the reasons for the sufferings in the country or the world, how myopic and uninformed. So you also think that when there's a 'church project' in any of your hated places of worship, they run it on 10%. You must be misinformed. Tithe is the least these people give, how many times/ways will that be told you?
See what you've said among others. "Tithe is extremely wicked antichristian doctrine, the most damning issue in christianity(you're a joke to The body of Christ to think such), a doctrine from the pits of hell". These hypocrites will then claim that they have nothing against tithe from the heart. This they do not because they care for the poor, but because they are jealous thieves lacking grace, and full of quotable articles but devoid of God's Word.

What is this nonsense? Follow your heart? Is that one from your Bible or where? The heart of man is desperately wicked, I'll rather take a chance with following God's words and not men's philosophical and philanthropic ideas and articles.

And see garyarnold soliloquyizing, what's with the scare tactic 'anybody that doesn't agree with you is not agreeing with God'. God sent you to fight on tithes, what a funny god that must be. This is the kind of stuff people do that make disbelievers to call christians deluded and legalistic. You do need to take a seat gary. You need it, and your pals need it as well.

Let's borrow a leaf from them. But as we borrow, we need to observe as well that they didn't just go to the synagogue and compromise, no. They didn't go in to fight or pick quarrels either. They went in preaching Christ, the good news, not isolating themselves. Also, we should see that they went to the synagogue of the Jews. They went to a place having a semblance or root in God, not the temple of Diana, or Ashtaroth or Baal. Today, it's not a call to worship anywhere, anyhow. It's a call to the spirit of worship.

June 17 Acts 17v1

1. Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews.

Today, you'll come across many who claim to be christians, but who do not fellowship with other christians. Many have their well rehearsed reasons, but we need to learn from the Bible saints. These things are written for us. So many 'christians' would go on holiday for weeks and days, and will not worship simply because their church is not there.
Some would even go to school or serve as corps members in another state or region for months and years, and will not step into church once, but NOT Paul, NOT Jesus. These saints also lived amongst hypocrites, perverse people and whatever name you deem fit, yet they still worshipped. It was their manner, their hobby and purpose.

Some people just love the sensational. See people vomiting over fiction. Thank God the OP even admits it's fiction, unlike some liars (who look set to have their part in the lake of fire) who'll spin stories to win sympathy.
Na today we go hear stories like I'm in the emergency section of the hospital, about to die, my pastor said I should pay my tithe instead of my medical bill, what should I do? Nonsense talk and vain babblings. Keep your money/whatever to yourself, the church will continue to march on. You think the church is existing because of your 10%?how ignorant. You need a dip in the cleansing stream of Christ's blood.

What's all this emotion and sympathy that you're begging for, and then subtly threatening that viaro will regret. Tithe is most damning? Are you confused or just plain mischievous. Go and sit down and consider weightier matters.
So people are perishing and suffering because they've given a '10%'. They went broke on the 90 remaining se? You're pointless and clueless, and viaro isn't going to fall for your propping flattery. Dishonest tithephobic.

I wonder where this Judases always get the idea that Jesus only requires christians to give to some isolated poor. Matthew 25 which you quote says to His brethren. His brethren, not some hell bound beggar thinking He's the Christ. Nonsense, this guys are just afraid of the law. You're under the under of the law. Always dodging real points and seeking loopholes to continue in their vain jangling. This they say not because they care for the poor but because they are jealous thieves lacking grace.

Ogagim
I recall asking a question which you highlighted, so stop being dishonest. Talk about being undirected. Did you and your pals not argue that tithe is under the law?

InesQor
Thanks, I'm feeling Day 5's God's blueprint. Way to go.

Viaro
I may be wrong on this but it seems that Noetic doesn't regard the epistles or perhaps the NT as the Word of God, but as men's view. That may explain his 'stand'.

Paul would have being called a scammer and a twister of scripture to suit his purpose and trade had he lived in our time. Thank God for the life in His Word. This pharisees would gladly crucify Christ again.

ttalks
I'm very disappointed, haha.

Chai, what's with this tithephobics and recycling.
BTW, how would Jesus fulfil the law without giving tithes? How would Paul be blameless in the law without giving tithes? This people sef. So anything not penned down in scripture was definitely not done. Where is wisdom which is profitable to direct? So on your line, we can assume Jesus never had his bath, or excrete. It'll be absurd for a Jew not to tithe. Malachi just went on to say that the WHOLE nation had robbed by not bringing tithes, but your half-truth poisoned half-baked minds would not process that. All you can see is law, law. One wonders what the 1st century christians read/or considered scripture. Any one who cuts out of God's Word would have his/her part cut out of God's city. You've been warned.

@ogagim
And nothing is missing from your own christian life, I guess. You've got it all worked out and good to go. Such hypocritic sanctimony.

Nuclearboy
I hope you truthfully and genuinely concur, and you're not just doing the 'prop'. For God's sake, you people should for a day allow this thread it's purpose. We learners are here, those who have finished learning should go and sit down somewhere(pls, not in the gutter), or go and fellowship with HS and JC(God knows who those peep are).

Wow, what can I say sing.
Thank you for saving me, thank you viaro (2ce)
Can we safely say viaro is propping(hope that's the dear new vocab) debosky? So I was saved from the jaws of nl critics, how christlike. Keep up the saving christlike attitude viaro. Truly, the Lord knows how to deliver the righteous.
I'm wondering when this people will learn to look at issues from the Word, instead of looking for imaginary enemies of the gospel to attack. They don't even know simple Bible principles, and they'll come hia claiming Pauline status talking anyhow. God will smite YOU. Amen

Nuclearboy
I'll rather choose necessary not compulsion. I don't find the word 'compulsory' in my Bible.

Is that Mad Max? O! no wonder, it is Mad Max

People are going to suffer in hell! Depart from me into hell. The loving meek Jesus said this. Don't be deceived.
God destroyed the Israelites in the wilderness, He also destroyed Sodom. Revelation 19v20 is plain english 20v15 is clear enough. Revelation 14v11 says they'll be tormented day and night without rest for ever and ever. This are the words of the loving God penned down by the apostle of love himself. You don't know better. 1Corinthians 6v9,10 warns us not to be deceived into thinking otherwise. Heaven is a holy place prepared for holy people Psalm 15