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MaxInDHouse:
Guy you just like stories!

Angels are the sons of God only born again Christians later became "Sons of God" {John :11-12} because they will also become like angels in heaven! Matthew 22:30

@ Genesis 6 angels came down materialised bodies for themselves and started mating with female humans. Daughters of men belongs to humans for marriage but angels aren't supposed to mate with humans that's why the ladies bear unusual babies (giants) for them.

So calm down and learn, humans are supposed to marry humans there's nothing strange if humans marry humans but it's due to the fact that the ones talked about there aren't humans that's why the Bible says "the sons of God married the daughters of men"

Lol...u didn't answer all the fact questions I presented...do angel reproduce? Do the devil still available access to the throne of God?
See the etymology of the Hebrew word "sons of God on Wikipedia...the oldest believe from the earliest Hebrew historians who said they are righteous people rather than angel before the later ones that started the debate it to be angels rather than righteous people...

Even in Judaism that predate Christianity interpretes sons of God as righteous people of God
See

Joshuam1:
The will of the church is subjected to the will of Christ, as a good church you do what Christ wants you to do, not what you want to do.

As a good church you ask permission from Christ in prayer to know what he wants you to do.

1 Corinthians 11:3
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Dear Joshuam 1
U are great point...but the submission of a woman to man is not d kinda submission that happens between a master and his slave...
Remember Paul even said in Ephesians 5:21
[21]And further, submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.
Before verse 22...Ephesians 5:22
[22]For wives, this means submit to your husbands as to the Lord.

The reason for the submission is like a pilot or captain of the ship...two captain cannot drive a ship at the same time...dat doesn't mean he cannot be guided or question by other co workers in the ship...Read 1 Corinthians 11:11
[11]But among the Lord’s people, women are not independent of men, and men are not independent of women.

God and Paul decided to delegate this authority to either of the man or woman...the man was chosen for many reasons that Paul highlighted in 1 Timothy 2:13-14
[13]For God made Adam first, and afterward he made Eve.
[14]And it was not Adam who was deceived by Satan. The woman was deceived, and sin was the result.
And in 1 Corinthians 11:8-9
[8]For the first man didn’t come from woman, but the first woman came from man.
[9]And man was not made for woman, but woman was made for man.

I hope u can understand these...it's more of partnership but one as to take the forefront than master stroke servant relationship where one controls the other whether right it wrong

[quote author=bigblow post=113956353][/quote]Dear bigblow
U avnt read my comment from other thread...God is a title...even God call other gods "god"...God is a purpose... remember God told Moses in Exodus 7 that he will make Moses like God to pharaoh
But there is a difference between the Father and the son like u av pointed out...u are correct...the Father is greater than the son and there are tinz the Father knows that the son does not know and there are tinz the Father does that the son cannot do...I av explained that in another thread with Bible verses that come out of the mouth of Jesus himself...
So,that's not an issue
Now wat Colosians 1:16 means is the fact that before Jesus came to earth...he lived IN Gods bossom as His Word which make him enjoy the equality (i.e benefit) of being (IN) God...
Just as simple as dat...but if u visit another thread where I did justice to dat...I elaborated it the more expressly with so many verses...but I can't be making repetition on every thread

Kobojunkie:
1. That's exactly what Jesus Christ commands - John 6 vs 25 - 35 & Matthew 19 vs 28 - 30 - of those who belongs to Him beginning with the 12 disciples.

2. The Gospel, God's Truth aka Jesus Christ is not meant to conform to that written in the letter to the Thessalonians. So if that written there, or your understanding of it, is in direct conflict which that decreed by Jesus Christ, then that written in Thessalonians is a lie.

Dear kobojunkie
Lol...u are just unbelievable...you distorted the meaning of those two verses u quoted up there...
Starting with Matthew 19:28-30
That passage is talking about sacrifice for the gospel like peter,the apostles and even Paul and Barnabas amongst others had to leave their home town and family to go to far away countries and continent to preach and spread the gospel...
That doesn't mean they beg on the street like Paul said in Thessalonians or began to tax people...they never did
And in John 6:25-35 is talking about Anxiety...that we should not be anxious about wat we will eat or drink or about tomorrow...but that doesn't mean u won't plan to pay rents, school fees and other necessities...if u know the meaning of anxiety.. u will know wat Jesus is talking about...and d bottom line is... Anxiety negates faith...it shows that u don't believe in God's Providence and sufficiency but in ur own worry and curiosity

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ said you have to abandon your job/career/business, family, reputation etc., if you will have faith(trust and obedience) in Him, working Instead for food that endures to endures to eternity- John 6 vs 25 - 35. What you perceive as work does not compare to what you are used to there.

Dear kobojunkie
Do u mean we should not work to earn food and other necessities of life...
Because if u say Yes...it will negate 2 Thessalonians 3:7-12
[7]For you know that you ought to imitate us. We were not idle when we were with you.
[8]We never accepted food from anyone without paying for it. We worked hard day and night so we would not be a burden to any of you.
[9]We certainly had the right to ask you to feed us, but we wanted to give you an example to follow.
[10]Even while we were with you, we gave you this command: “Those unwilling to work will not get to eat.”
[11]Yet we hear that some of you are living idle lives, refusing to work and meddling in other people’s business.
[12]We command such people and urge them in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and work to earn their own living.


Don't u think so?

MaxInDHouse:
YES! All spirit sons of God do behold His face but some are constantly standing right before him always! Luke 1:19

Dear MaxinDHouse
Another misinterpretation of the Genesis and Job's "sons of God"...they don't mean angels...
I don't really av time now but a quick one...
According to Genesis...if the sons of God are angels does that mean they were men with genital who has semen and can reproduce?...are there female angels and is there continuous reproductive activities going on in heaven?..that will negate Jesus statement in Matthew 22:29-30
[29]Jesus replied, “Your mistake is that you don’t know the Scriptures, and you don’t know the power of God.
[30]For when the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage. In this respect they will be like the angels in heaven.

And in Job's sons of God cannot also mean the angels because the Bible made us to know that the devil came amongst them...does that mean that even after many years of the fall of the devil up to the time of Job...the devil still available access to the throne of God?...
That will be against Revelation 12:8-9
[8]And the dragon lost the battle, and he and his angels were forced out of heaven.
[9]This great dragon—the ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, the one deceiving the whole world—was thrown down to the earth with all his angels.

The sons of God was a term used to qualify the righteous group people at the time.

Genesis sons of God was for the family of Seth before they mingled with the daughters of Cain because of the civilization and beauty at the time...

Job's sons of God was for the likes of Job and his friends amongst others who always offer sacrifices before God always...but at a point in time while the devil was moving to and fro on the earth...he came to encounter these set of people who are righteous...that was wen the Lord was now boasting of particularly Job whose righteousness weighs beyond others..

Even Adam was referred to as son of God in Luke 3:38
[38]Kenan was the son of Enosh.Enosh was the son of Seth.Seth was the son of Adam.Adam was the son of God.

So...this sons of God and angel kinda tin is not it at all...

MaxInDHouse:
Guy no human (Adam's descendants) has seen God at any point in time {John 1:18} but as for angels they do have face to face meeting with the Almighty God {Job 1:6} so they are seeing Him life!

Dear MaxinDHouse
I just saw this now...let me ask u
Is it ALL angels dat do see God
Yes or No answer

Bahamas95:
Drink But Don't Get Drunk.




Drunkards nai dey quote this one to justify shayo.

Dear Bahamas95
Where is it in the Bible that u shud not drink

Can u quote it out for me

I only know the Bible said do not be drunk with wine
Ephesians 5:18
[18]Don’t be drunk with wine, because that will ruin your life. Instead, be filled with the Holy Spirit,

MaxInDHouse:
Guy the Bible said "the word with God" and that means there were TWO separate persons! John 17:3
So whether beside the father or in the bosom of the father none support the idea that the word is the father rather he is God's Son one of God's creation that's why the Bible referred to him as the first born of creation, nobody can be firstborn if not part of those been born!

You are unbelievable...read the explanation I gave to Johnw47... Christ was separated from God twice...first for creation,second for salvation...
Just read my comment to Johnw47...den quote dat comment and then comment on it

MaxInDHouse:
The bosom never mean the word is God Almighty, Lazarus in Jesus' parable was in the bosom of father Abraham it doesn't mean Lazarus is the same as father Abraham nah!

Now ur falling my hand...are the Greek words in both passage the same? Answer ooo...cos u know English and translation are restrictibe but the etymology of the original language is what matters and not the language of translation...
Or is it?

johnw47:
thanks for that, i don't think you understood what i said about choosing the right word according to context,
although i probably didn't say it well

yes, way back in eternity before creation when only God existed, He bought wisdom/the word out of Himself.

wisdom wasn't created, because before being bought out of God, wisdom always existed in God

God is a Spirit, the Word is that same Spirit that is God, God bought wisdom out of Himself, wisdom/the word didn't come from nothing but is of God's own Spirit just like i am of my human father's flesh, that's why God and the word is God, they are that same Spirit that is God. Father and Son

^ wisdom in pro 8:22 + is also personified as the Word/Jesus


Pro 8:24  When there were no depths I was brought forth (chul chiyl), when there were no springs abounding with water.


in context with this verse, bought forth (chul chiyl) is used as similar to birth

H2342
חִיל    חוּל
chûl    chı̂yl
khool, kheel
A primitive root; properly to twist or whirl (in a circular or spiral manner), that is, (specifically) to dance, to writhe in pain (especially of parturition) or fear; figuratively to wait, to pervert: - bear, (make to) bring forth, (make to) calve, dance, drive away, fall grievously (with pain), fear, form, great, grieve, (be) grievous, hope, look, make, be in pain, be much (sore) pained, rest, shake, shapen, (be) sorrow (-ful), stay, tarry, travail (with pain), tremble, trust, wait carefully (patiently), be wounded.
Total KJV occurrences: 58

according to context "chul chiyl" can also be used in matters of endurance, anguish, pain, etc.

Yes ur correct..."chul chil" in proverbs 8:22 is brought forth...and if u compare it with other scriptures I quoted earlier...u must know the difference while attribution is made to God(The Father) who has no beginning but in reference to His son Christ...he IS the beginning...take note
Revelation 3:14
[14]“Write this letter to the angel of the church in Laodicea. This is the message from the one who is the Amen—the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God’s new creation:

Like I av stated before...he lived in God as the word in the bossom of God...so,he enjoyed the reference of being God...read
Philippians 2:6
[6]Though he was God,
    he did not think of equality with God
    as something to cling to.

But he was brought forth twice...first at creation...Read
Proverbs 8:22-24,30
[22]“The lord FORMED me from the beginning,
    before he created anything else.
[23]I was APPOINTED in ages past,
    at the very first, before the earth began.
[24]I was BORN before the oceans were created,
    before the springs bubbled forth their waters.
[30]I was THE ARCHITECT at his side.
I was his constant delight,
    rejoicing always in his presence.

He was also brought forth at salvation but then he had to come in a lowliest form of bn a man...Read
Philippians 2:7-8
[7]Instead, he gave up his divine privileges;
    he took the humble position of a slave
    and was born as a human being.
When he appeared in human form,
   
[8]he humbled himself in obedience to God
    and died a criminal’s death on a cross.

He became separate from the Father and this time...he lost or let go of his right of being equal (i.e enjoy same benefit) with God...Read
John 1:14
[14]So the Word became human and made his home among us. He was full of unfailing love and faithfulness. And we have seen his glory, the glory of the Father’s one and only Son.

But here is the good news...after the salvation story has bn fulfilled,guess what...he will return to his initial stage of residing in the bossom of God as His word again...little wonder he told his disciples that wen he is raised he will be in the Father and not separate from him...Read
John 14:11,20
[11]Just believe that I am IN the Father and the Father is in me. Or at least believe because of the work you have seen me do.
[20]When I am raised to life again, you will know that I am IN my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.

Read
Revelation 19:11-13
[11]Then I saw heaven opened, and a white horse was standing there. Its rider was named Faithful and True, for he judges fairly and wages a righteous war.
[12]His eyes were like flames of fire, and on his head were many crowns. A name was written on him that no one understood except himself.
[13]He wore a robe dipped in blood, and his title was the Word of God.

Christ will go back to enjoying his privilege as bn God in God...that is the Equality...u can't separate a man from his word and thought...they enjoy the same benefit as the man himself

Now read this crucial passage when even Christ himself will av to submit all authority to his father and return to his initial position and glory
1 Corinthians 15:27-28
[27]For the Scriptures say, “God has put all things under his authority.” (Of course, when it says “all things are under his authority,” that does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.)
[28]Then, when all things are under his authority, the Son will put himself under God’s authority, so that God, who gave his Son authority over all things, will be utterly supreme over everything everywhere.

MaxInDHouse:
I don't appreciate pointless stories!

If you know the answer just answer the question directly:



Period!

I already answered u...u used beside is not correct...where u quoted said bossom and not beside...so the answer is the word was in the bossom of God...simple

Maynman:
Allah and Elohim means same thing.
You forget y’all worship ABRAHAMIAC gods?
Yahweh is from cannanite the shasu tribe, one of the sons of elohim/Allah.

Tell me more about this plural

I asked a question from @AntiChristian...but u quoted me...I thought u would answer the question since u quoted...but u didn't...instead u asked me a question...
Don't dat sounds funny to u...unless u are the one running the @AntiChristian moniker...so,if u are...pls answer my question...and if u are not...pls let the addressee answer my question...
Thank you

AntiChristian:
I am only telling you the truth! How will you believe God performed a ritual with his son just to save other humans?

This doesn't make sense!

God is not a murderer, ritualist,...

I think you're the one Paul was referring to in Galatians 3:1.

Dear Antichristian
Am very happy and glad to av a chance with u today...I av always av a question I am bn curious to ask u...I trust u to provide an accurate answer devoid of controversy
Here is the question...
In my study of the Holy Quran...I discovered something that made me curious

In translation and etymology of the word Allah...it's in plural form and not singular...and wen Allah wants to talk about himself to Muhammad (S.A.W)...it is always "We" plural and not "I" singular...
I need u to educate me please
Thank u

Emusan:
The word is God!

John pictures that with the story of Adam and Eve in the garden.

Let me give you small Bible study on that.

Firstly, The first COUPLE lived alone in the Garden. The two are to be viewed as ONE
>>>Gen 2:24 - In the garden, two persons, the man and the woman, "became one flesh"
>>>Gen 5:1-2
"God created man" (singular)
"He made him" (singular)
"Named them man" (singular)
Yet it says:
"He created THEM male and female" (plural)
"He blessed THEM" (plural)
"and Named THEM" (plural)
"They were created" (plural)
NOTE: The name EVE wasn't given to the woman not until after the fall, so both Male and the female were collectively called MAN.

Secondly, Gen 1:26-27
"Let us make man" (singular)
"God created man" (singular)
"He created him" (singular)
In contrast the same text also says:
"....let them rule" (plural)
"Male and female he created THEM" (plural)

Lastly, Jesus refers to the first couple and after stating "they were one flesh" adds "they are no longer two"

In line of this, would it be wise to say: In the garden was the woman, the woman was with the man and the woman was A MAN?

Intellectual mind knows this is a wrong rendition because it will put the woman as A MALE which will be confused as the FIRST MALE.

So the best way to understand that even though both the male and the female were both collectively called "MAN" "them" e.t.c is to render it as: In the garden was the woman, the woman was with the man and the woman was MAN

Here intellectual mind knows that the woman was addressed as MAN per her NATURE.

So John 1:1 shows two separate persons with one NATURE (God).

Do you understand?

Bible study 101

Dear Emusan
I must confess u are not far from the truth...ur analogy was impressive and ACCURATE...I am impressed...keep it up

But
You don't need to add Bible study 101...pls,it make it look like debate or a winner/loser thingy...please think about it...thank u.

Maynman:
And you are this dumb?
Lying to defend your deity, just like Muslim taqqiya, weak like that cannanite Yahweh.
If not for dumbness, Old Testament was written In “cannanite language”, I didn’t know Moses later got to Canaan

Wat perspective do u think people are viewing ur replies from?...some who is confused or out of stock?...
U are just unbelievable a d I hope and pray that ur not irredeemable also...
You are in my prayers...and I am trusting God on ur behalf

Maynman:
After you tell me the tribes of “Hebrew” and “paleo Hebrew” you will now tell me the tribe of “proto sinaitic script. Laughing stock, your ignorance is IRRITATING.

Fortunately,I studied and graduated with B A Linguistics from a prestigious University...it became an added advantage to me...I wud av love to school u on the history of languages and language family and their initial geographical area and their spread which led to dialects (variants of the same language). But I gave u an assignment me...digest...then ur question and response will show me whether or not ur ready to learn cos I don't like wasting my time over people who are critics but don't wanna learn...
Will be waiting in a month time

MaxInDHouse:
None of the above was misinterpreted, it's just a matter of updates in English language while most churchgoers stick to the 15th century English KJV.


But as for misinterpretation the opening words of John's gospel account was erroneously mistranslated.

"In the beginning WAS the word and the word WAS with God and the word WAS God"

@ verse 18 of the same chapter we read:

"No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him"

So is the word GOD or someone beside GOD?

Dear MaxinDHouse
You are half way correct...u would av bn more correct if u had used bossom of God instead of beside God...it distorted the meaning.
And the meaning of Philippians 2:6 is also distorted by meaning.
[6]Though he was God,
    he did not think of equality with God
    as something to cling to.

Now,here is the meaning of John 1:1,18 and Philippians 2:6
Before the incarnation of the man Jesus...he was know as the Word of God...the question is,if he is the Word of God ..where does he reside? That was wat John 1:20 answered...He lived in the bossom of God. Another question is can u separate a man from his word? That is wat John 1:1 answered by saying "he was God". Another question is why was passed tense used "WAS God"?...that is what John 1:14 and Philippians 2:6-7 gave an answer to...for the first time...the word became flesh John 1:14 and took on a lowly form by being born of and by human being Philippians 2:7...He was for the first time separated from the Father in whom he reside and let go of being in God or equal to God .
The last question is "was Jesus equal with God i.e the Father"?...Here is wat the equality means...let me first quote out the verse then explain
Philippians 2:6
[6]Though he was God,
    he did not think of equality with God
    as something to cling to.

"Though he was God,"
Like I explained above the past tense...was God but now human

"He did not think of equality with God as something to cling to"

Like I explained above ..since he reside IN THE BOSSOM of God as the word, he enjoyed all the privilege attributed to God...but for the sake of man...he had to let go of this privilege of bn attributed as God due to his residence in God...but for us he had to let God...

God who is the Father is the one and only true God and Jesus is his precious gift he had to let go to save us humans and that was retrated in John 3:16
[16]“For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.

This is awesome and worthy
You are loved

Maynman:
Bro I want you to gain.
Who are the “Hebrews”? Who are the “paleo Hebrews”?

I kept telling u new tinz...u keep researching...if I explain who the Hebrew and Paleo Hebrew is to u...u will ask another question...

You are curious about me and who I am...so u wanna cease the opportunity to learn as many tinz as u can within this short timeframe u av with me...
It's very wise of u...but I won't...u know why...I was interested in who I serve...so,I did all my best to know who he is,others around him... possible substitution for him in other climes and possible mix up...like I said...I was prepared to learn and I learnt...but it took time...not in a short while...cos short while knowledge though brings curiosity but it's not good enough cos it needs time to sink in and link up...
So,digest the one I just put up der on this thread...in a months time...after u must av link them up and clear it curiosity...then...quote me and ask any question...u question will give me the hint whether or not u av digested and understood...

I will be waiting...I promise

Maynman:
I told you that he’s a cannanite deity, see you defending cannan land now bwahahahah
If not that you are dumb, “cannanite language” is a Semitic language, which language did Abraham speak?

Lol...don't u read? Or u easily forgot after u av bn schooled...? What a pity...
Must I also be d one to explain the relationship between Ur of Chaldean and Canaan to u? Must I always be d one to explain the relationship of the Hebrew and Canaanites to you?...don't u want to do anytin ursef...do u pay me for the enlightenment I av shown u in just 24 hrs?...
Now I am shown ur d semitic languages tree...u still want me to school u on the relationship dat exist between than?...
It takes alot to get to where I am...u can't just get there is 24hrs...
The ones u av learnt since ystaday is enough for u to be wiser that u were 2 days ago

Maynman:
Same Cannan land in Mesopotamia?
The ignorance is baffling bwahahahah
Where is Ur of Chaldean where is cannan?

Seems one has to be intentionally dumb to be a Yahweh worshipper of the shasu tribe.

Lol...I schooled u one the Canaanite languages...wen u claim there is nothing like dat...now u trsearch and confirm there is...now ur asking Ur of Chaldean...
Must I school u everything?
Yahweh of Shasu?
U still haven't learned?

Maynman:
Cannanite languages***
The ignorance is clear!

Lol...I can see ur short of word...but let me educate u about the Canaanite languages and why it was pluralised...no tribe can lay hold to Canaan...it was very vast the even Abraham came from Ur of Chaldean to opportunity a minute portion of the vast land...after many years while the Israelites were leaving Egypt to occupy this vast land...they had to dislodge 10 great nation's
Genesis 15:19-21
[19]the land now occupied by the Kenites, Kenizzites, Kadmonites,
[20]Hittites, Perizzites, Rephaites,
[21]Amorites, Canaanites, Girgashites, and Jebusites.”

The all lived in Canaan land...all this nation's or tribes av dialect of the semitic family called Canaanite languages...that is why it was pluralised.


I hope u learned...I still av more in stock...I know everything about the God (YHWH EL ELYON) that I serve...I know everything necessary about him...and I av presented him to u and others beyond REASONABLE doubt...I urge u to accept him and serve him through the acceptable way called Christ the Messiah...
Thank u

Maynman:
Old Testament was written in paleo Hebrew different from the Hebrew we have now.
There’s nothing like “cannanite language”. Aramaic is also a cannanite language.
Aramaic language is from Semitic tribe.
Of course Ugarit predates Aramaic language

See why I said your ignorance is glaring?

Lol...I am very polite but u don't research or know enough...notin like Canaanite language?... Aramaic language from semitic tribe...is not all of then from semitic tribe? Is Arabic language not also from semitic tribe?...do u even know anything?...av u even seen the semitic languages family tree before?...or are u just reading anyhow?...I thought ur wiser than dis...but ur still loading but pretty too slow

MaxInDHouse:
Whenever i remember the day JWs first came to me i always thank God that i never let go of them and each time i pray for them.

Èṣù is the same person as Satan the devil but due to failure of the churches of Christendom to produce fine fruit in the society most people are now going back to their roots with the intention of connecting the true God through those old traditions.
The truth is that all other nations apart from Israel (unknowingly) worships demons back then that's why those demons keep deceiving them.

Where are the Gods of ancient Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome? At least we all heard of Jupiter, please where are they now? Or do people think those Gods are no more?
Well God's word (Bible) revealed where they're now: They have transformed into angels of light! meaning they now bear names that's appealing to people because no sane human will like to worship the Gods of Egypt that were all rendered helpless in the presence of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
So those Gods now answer new names today {2Corin 11:14} and people are still worshiping them in mass thinking they're worshiping the God of Israel.

How can we unravel this mystery?
Well it's by carefully observing the produce of their religions! Matt 7:16-18

I believe we av settled this issue...I am Pentecostal by fellowship but I am a believer by wat matters which is serving God(YHWH EL ELYON) through Christ,the acceptable means John 14:6...anyone that does this is safe and saved...
No denomination or sect should or can lay claim to Monopoly of God's knowledge or service or acceptability...not Catholic,not Pentecostal,not Methodist,not Baptist,not Orthodox churches,not Jehovah's witnesses...no one...Christ will select his elect ones from all the nook and cranny of the world irrespective of tongue,nation or denomination.
Take this Home

Maynman:
Ugartic is one of the earliest language of the Semitic tribe.

Thank God u escaped by saying ONE OF the earliest because under the semitic language tree is West and East semitic...under the west semitic is northwest semitic languages in which under we av Amorite, Ugaritic, Canaanite language (extinct Hebrew) and Aramaic language...
The Old testament Bible was written with Canaanite language and Aramaic language...so,u don't av proof to say the Ugaritic language predates the Aramaic or Canaanite dialect of the semitic languages.


Go on...am listening

johnw47:
i have remembered that i purchased the NLT many moons ago for my e-sword
but lost it when i installed e-sword onto a new operating system, and forgot about adding the NLT back into it, i have now added NLT to e-sword again

many words can have diffrent meanings, so context is important in translating the meaning of words from diffrent languages

some bible versions have "firstborn" in col 1:15 which doesn't make sense
for example "Christ is the firstborn of all creation for by him all things were created"

^^ all things were created by Christ because Christ is the firstborn of creation < like i said
it doesn't make sense

NLT has "supreme" not "firstborn"
prototokos is from protos which means foremost and chief, so supreme fits

the NLT version does make sense "Christ is supreme over all creation, 
for through him God created everything in the heavenly realms and on earth"

NLT Col 1:15  Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation, 
Col 1:16  for through him God created everything in the heavenly realms and on earth. He made the things we can see and the things we can’t see—such as thrones, kingdoms, rulers, and authorities in the unseen world. Everything was created through him and for him.

Smile...yes I get u...but u were restricting ursef to Colossians 1:15
[15]Christ is the visible image of the invisible God.
    He existed before anything was created and is supreme(prototokos) over all creation,
but I will show u wat ur missing...but ur not doing bad but restricted to just a verse...
I will use the same NLT with u...Proverbs 8:22,25
[22]“The lord FORMED ME from the beginning,
    BEFORE he created anything else.
[25]Before the mountains were formed,
    before the hills, I WAS BORN—

Let's continue...but let me clear the supreme and the firstborn thing use by NLT...note NLT is a version of interpretation and not translation...so,let's go to NLT and check the translation of supreme in Colosians 1:15 and other places in that same NLT wer firstborn was used in other passages of NLT...
The word Firstborn(prototokos)
Proto means first...
Tokos means son(masculine)
This word is also used for child bearing both of animal and man as in NLT Genesis 4:4
[4]Abel also brought a gift—the best portions of the firstborn (prototokos) lambs from his flock. The lord accepted Abel and his gift,

And Exodus 34:19
[19]“The firstborn(prototokos) of every animal belongs to me, including the firstborn males from your herds of cattle and your flocks of sheep and goats.

Now the question to u is can u or NLT substitute firstborn with supreme in both Gensis 4:4 and Exodus 34:19...?
You will agree with me that the emphatic answer is NO...but those are the error of interpretation in versions and that's why u av to compare versions with versions and then know the etymology of the word used in the original manuscripts...NLT shud av used Firstborn like other versions instead of supreme...

Now wat ur curious about is how is just Firstborn?...
His creation or birth was the beginning of all creation that is why he is the beginning and the end...compare John 1:1 with proverb 8:22...
John 1:1
[1]IN THE BEGINNING the Word already existed.
    The Word was with God,
    and the Word was God.
Proverbs 8:22
[22]“The lord formed me FROM THE BEGINNING,
    BEFORE he created anything else.

Compare
John 1:4
[4]The Word gave life to everything that was created,
    and his life brought light to everyone.

And
Proverbs 8:30
[30]I was the architect at his side.
I was his constant delight,
    rejoicing always in his presence.

I am a Pentecostal but I don't agree that the Father is not Superior to the son or different from the son...even the son acknowledge that there are things the Father knows that the son does not know and there are things the Father can do that the son cannot do...and that the Father is greater than the son...READ

Matthew 24:36
[36]“However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows.
THE SON DOES NOT KNOW,ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS.

READ be below passage from verse 20 but I will quote verse 23
Matthew 20:23
[23]Jesus told them, “You will indeed drink from my bitter cup. But I have no right to say who will sit on my right or my left. My Father has prepared those places for the ones he has chosen.”
NOTE:
BUT I (JESUS) DO NO HAVE THE RIGHT...MY FATHER HAS..."

READ
John 14:28
[28]Remember what I told you: I am going away, but I will come back to you again. If you really loved me, you would be happy that I am going to the Father, who is greater than I am.

NOTE:
...THE FATHER,WHO IS GREATER THAN I AM.


SIR,DO U HAVE ANY QUESTION?

Maynman:
Hebrew is a language of the Semitic people. It’s not a tribe.
The god of the Semitic gods is El, one of his sons is Yahweh, and he gave Yahweh the isreal inheritance among his other sons.

Lol... misinterpretation of Deuteronomy 32:8-9
[8]When the Most High assigned lands to the nations,
    when he divided up the human race,
he established the boundaries of the peoples
    according to the number in his heavenly court.
[9]“For the people of Israel belong to the lord;
    Jacob is his special possession.

Let me school you because I av read all this permutations that u stock ur head with...the 70 sons of El according to a Ugaritic text written in later times 12BC after years of the first acient manuscripts and discovered just in 1929...but I will school u...

Have u read this in Psalms 83:18
[18]Then they will learn that you alone are called the lord,
    that you alone are the Most High,
    supreme over all the earth.

Av u seen it...Let me use Hebrew(semitic language family/dialect to break the above text for u...

Psalms 83:18
[18]Then they will learn that you alone are called the lord(YHWH),
    that you alone are the Most High(EL ELYON),
    supreme over all the earth.

Can u now see that Yahweh(noun) also El Elyon(adjective)

I will still interprete Deuteronomy 32:8-9 for u but let me still school u a bit that Yahweh is praised and the same as El Elyon...

Genesis 14:22
[22]Abram replied to the king of Sodom, “I solemnly swear to the lord(YHWH), God Most High(EL ELYON), Creator of heaven and earth,

2 Samuel 22:14
[14]The lord thundered from heaven;
    the voice of the Most High resounded.

There are many more..
I will still interprete Deuteronomy 32:8-9 for u ooo...I av not forgotten...but let me hear wat u will say first about the above.. debunk it or go and brainwash urself with the Ugaritic text
Go on

MaxInDHouse:
The man who translated the KJV to Yorùbá is known as Bishop Àjàyí Crowder, this man did a very good job when it comes to the case of Èṣù but since you don't think it's the same i'll take my leave, i know the eulogy of Èṣù and i can prove that there's no single difference between the spirit called Satan and Èṣù.

There is...
In the story line...but I won't like to go into that...
Am only glad I was able to use the esu analogy to let that guy know who the shasu tribe (Moab and northern edom) are and how they got to relate and stay with the Hebrew in Israel...they both speak variant (dialect) of the semitic languages...he thought the shasu tribe are the hebrew...and wanted to drive home his point that the shasu Yahweh was dsame as the Hebrew Yahweh...
I only used the Yoruba language of esu and the semitic meaning of Gideon during that period to tell show him...
He realised,so he was boxed wen I asked him just a question..."Are the shasu tribe the same as Hebrew people?"
He couldn't say yes or no...he knew if he said yes...I will use evidence to prove his error...and if he said know...he knew I will den proof to him the difference between the Shasu Yahweh and Hebrew Yahweh...
Either way,he knew he was boxed and he was wise to be silent and not answer a yes or no throughout our discussion...

He kept sayEsu is not Satan...I agree with him and I asked him why...he said because of d story line...I also agreed with him...den I explained to him...since the Yahweh of the shasu tribe does not have the same story line of the Yahweh of the Hebrew... would it still be right to say they are the same God/person?...the guy mute...he was box and started all dis his bwahahaha stuff...but I knew he was boxed and I played along.

So,I used the esu as language analogy to box him and he knew I led him on and he was boxed

Maynman:
Semitic language or Semitic languages
It’s getting boring and dumb but go on, you have to defend your deity

Those who are reading this thread do u know how hey will be feeling seeing u avin issues with spelling or plural forms...u sound like someone whose run dry of point and a down here throwing the last kick...
That's lazy

Maynman:
Your ignorance is glare, it shows you are learning all this today.
But go on.
Shasu language bwahahahah

Today?...do I sound or do the swiftness of my reply shows that am just reading...they are links and u can dash to them anytime...but it's not something u can understand in minutes without confusing ursef...
Like I told ur my sense is immaculate cos it's from God

Maynman:
Tell me more about the shasu language
Bwahahahah

They speak semitic language that the Hebrew originated from...the similarities are still there...they are the Moabites and the Northern Edomites who settled in the hill part of Israel...thank u sir

Maynman:
Tell me more about the shasu language
Bwahahahah

Lol...this will help u in future...since u dogged a bullet but no answering my question...let me educte u fragmently on the relationship that led to common ground between the Shasu tribe and the Hebrew...let this be ur take home in case u wanna broaded ur knowledge the more...


Gösta Werner Ahlström countered Stager's objection by arguing that the contrasting depictions are because the Shasu were the nomads, while the Israelites were sedentary, and added: "The Shasu that later settled in the hills became known as Israelites because they settled in the territory of Israel".
Shasu - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki › Shasu

That's the difference and wat led them to settle together...
Good bye friend...it's nice talking to u...I love u with the love of Christ...u are a wonderful person