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Our number one WoT fan didn't give us new promo. So I decided to do the honours.

The Wheel of Time S2 trailer!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-1OT1jxuQo

pu7pl3:
That means na them suppose dey go this strike sef

I dey tell you....

Born2Freak:
The king of box office analysis!

Bro, can you tell me how you are so confident in talking boldly about stuff you have no idea about?

As in, you copy and paste, then present it as your own analysis.

Take a look at the bild in your comment- you read the commonly spread fake news that AI will be used to capture actors' likeness for films in order to avoid paying others.

Now, if you actually stopped to analyse what you read on Hollywood gossip (instead of copying and pasting), you would realise that it is nonsense. This is because you cannot use someone's likeness for free. You would be sued and you will lose in court.

This is streaky established in videogames- studios pay to use actors' or athletes' likeness.

Kindly stop littering this thread with your fake box office analysis.

It's not my fault you're too dumb to see where I said it's the rumor mill. Shouldn't be hard to understand it's not an opinion but details of the said rumour.

At times it pays to actually know the shït you're talking about before jumping to spit bullshit.
Are you now the executive director of SAG-AFTRA (screen actors guild) to say he doesn't know what he's talking about with AI Likeness??

You're a CLOWN. 🤡


I know you're dying of actually getting relevance here and wanting to get a reaction from me. Rest. I don't have the luxury wasting energy on you or giving you the attention you've been dying of.
Stay mad cos you'll see more box office analysis if I want.

itspreshh:
I go quote person not knowing his comment has been flagged and banned...

Me sef chop ban join am
see wetin you cause

Lmao, e go touch everybody!!! 😂😂😂

Illusioneffect:
I stumbled upon a website that votes Barbie and Oppenheimer for president😂😂

Tells you the immense campaign fans have done for both movies and highlights the importance of having a supportive fandom.

Online and offline Marketing and awareness for both films have mostly been done by the fans of the directors and actors.

IDAN no need marketing....😎😎

oyaskii:
Brother man, "Barbie" has no reason to fail. It had quite possibly the biggest organic and inorganic marketing campaign we have seen for a motion picture in years. In an uncanny irony, it will probably be one of the few movies in history to "enjoy" "FOMO" and the Streisand effect at the same damn time.

I can't believe i am even saying this, but if it somehow manages to fail, then something is fundamentally wrong😩.

Fail ke?? Barbie ain't failing bro....
I'm only just concerned about it's legs and hold up due to its large debut. You know some people are in standby to spin it upside down.
As I see it, Barbie ain't doing less than $550mn, that's the worst I can come up with.


You're fvvking right. BARBIE will go down as the best marketing ever in the 21st century with its organic and inorganic marketing. I can't remember which film has had this mad rave and superb marketing from corporate and fans. WB didn't even do much sef. The fans sold this movie everyday, week in, week out. Most movie news I see on Twitter, some peeps just spam Barbenheimer merchandise in the comments section.

I first dey talk am that month say this one wey David Zaslav and other WB executives dey dress like Clowns with pink dresses for Cinemacon, I don know say something dey cook.

Yep, FOMO and Streisand Effect is playing out in full force.
For me, I'm just happy for Margot Robbie and Greta Gerwig. Those talk about Robbie being a flop and can't sell tickets and all that don dey vex me for the past year now. Ppl go shut up now. 😂
Make WB breathe small sef.

drizzle0007:
'Super Mario kind of film'.

I once said Barbie will do a billion if Mario could do that and alot of you came for me.

We'll see.

I apologize brotherly....
Make we dey observe... Paraventure BARBIE hits a billion, people no go sleep for this thread till the year end. Cos I go spam this whole place with BARBIE supremacy. 😂😂😂

Let's hope it maintains its overperformance and families continue to like it because this is not that family movie they expecting.

oyaskii:
That's why i have stayed away from BO predictions.absolutely nothing is moving people in droves to see movies anymore, it's a dying culture, the magic and the aura of seeing a blockbuster on the big screen is gone.

Let me see how Barbie and Oppenheimer preforms sha.

This year na total erratic audience behaviour.

Barbie is looking really good and overperforming that it's possible it becomes the highest opener for they year or 2nd at least.
The only worry I have for it is the reaction from families who are rushing to see the movie when they realise Barbie isn't really all they thought it was from the trailers.
I just know some ppl are in for a rude shock....and how they take it matters. Either way Barbie is already set for success no matter what. It could only slow down not flop.

I'm seriously watching out for weekend #2. That's the most important stats right now — how a movie holds up in the following weeks.
Look at how Pixar's ELEMENTAL is defying the odds. Superb legs so far in what was considered a disaster opening. It might even break even when all is said and done and would enter profitability range in secondary market.

SOZINN:
On Mission Impossible 7, everyone, including myself, is taking an L. I just double-checked and discovered that one of my sources has revised their estimates for the film's theatrical run to a range of $550 million to $650 million. These were the same people who had estimated that it would gross at least $800 million. I don't know what's going on because the movie seemed to be succeeding in every way. My sole conclusion is that people are not going to the movies as frequently as they once did and that the box office is very erratic this year.

$550-650mn?? Chaiii... On top $290mn budget. This one dey fight to break even from day one. 😢
The L go touch everybody....

Me too I was premium shocked with what I saw... I guess the writing was on the wall already but ppl wan dey lie to themselves. I've always wondered few weeks before it released why was it around $90mn for a 5-day opening weekend and Barbie was initially $90+mn for 3-day opening weekend then.

Where the problem comes for this movie isn't this gross now sef, it's legs that's the Koko. It's the history of the franchise having great legs that's still giving some analysts hope. With stats I've seen, this might not hold up especially after I saw IMAX and PLF screens having 37% of the domestic gross. That's huge man, and Chris Nolan is coming for those screens this week.


Yes, what this 2023 erratic BO has told us is that audience are not that enthusiastic as before to go out enmasse and watch movies. You must bring something different and enticing to push them out.
The economy and global inflation isn't even helping matters at all.

The Flash thought me serious lesson, cos even if that movie was to flop, I didn't see it struggling for $450mn. I saw the worst Flash can do despite Ezra Miller was $500-600mn. But na premium L I chop.



Either way, the theatre owners and the audience are the ones winning big this year. This cinema owners, some might be eating their last supper cos what is coming to hit them next year if this ongoing impasse between WGA & SAG-AFRA vs Studios keeps on going, it's over for some.
The delays and release date push back could likely match COVID induced shutdown. And this time no government support will be received.

Minemrys:
I called it, didn't I?

Lmao... Fandom Wire, a speculative piece?? This is merely speculation and just a quick grab at traffic the headlines might fetch them. It's quite easy to get views since one is talking about DC these days.

Did you actually read the article or you just dey follow the headline??

Baddestguyp:
I predict 750m - 950m at the end of its run

Lol, don't get ahead of yourself....

This is never getting close to $1bn or even $900mn sef. It's safest bet is around $700-750mn.
It has mad competition this summer with Barbie and Oppenheimer. And Barbie is overperforming that theatres can't keep up with demand and adding more screens to it.

It had great opening overseas but it's US domestic opening is an underperformance. Hitting just $80mn in a 5-day opening weekend is weak. Especially when you consider all the IMAX and PLF screens it's hoarding. Industry projected $90mn.

Good worldwide gross tho.... It'd have great legs I presume, as is normal for the MI franchise.

oyaskii:
You know Ball!

Y'all know the goal.... Barbenheimer supremacy. 🙌🙌

BlackManta:
I'll be there no matter what

You beat me to that second pic....


I've been saying since that based on the pedigree of the director the movie ain't going to be the full campy shït some are expecting.

drizzle0007:
Already looking like a judgmental circle of friends.

I dey see the thing I no wan talk fess... Make e no be like say na religious intolerance. 🤭🤐

pu7pl3:
This violence is now getting boring
You dad this one your mum that one
Where is the airstrike already?

I think say na only me dey bored....

Na new vawulence between new parties we want.
This one has gone stale and become a Vendetta.

SMUAG:
From the day I saw it I knew it will tank heavily but few of us thought it was the haters that were spreading negative words of mouth...
It's somehow crazy that the first three movies that were heavily criticise and few (like WW and Aquaman) that tied to those movies were the ones that actually did better throughout the DCEU period, while the fun and enjoyable movies are the ones struggling to even get to their BEP. Very funny...
Herculean task for Gunn now...

Aquaman is a fun and enjoyable movie. If at all anything, it's DCEU first MCU type of film.

You peeps always have a funny way of including Aquaman in DCEU success movies because of its billion dollar gross and kick out the less successful ones. Everyone knows its easily an MCU flick, some people not deep in comic book stuff even confuse it to Marvel.

Watching.... Kill Bill Vol 1.

Wetin be dis....😭😭

Calibrator:
Let it be known till the end of time that Calibrator was a true disciple of the Vawulence Order, I never leave my post to piss, eat or shiit... In the rain, sun, whatever weather, I stand firm, whether day or night time.


I never abandon post!

You briefly left your post yesterday night. 🙄
No worries, I stepped in valiantly for you.

Welcome back to duty, Private. 🧑‍✈️🧑‍✈️

NaijaMemes:
Kindly delete this blasphemy

E no concern me.... 🙄🙄

phr0nesis:
Na best picture winner you de rate like this? 😅
I have the same issue with that movie. I was hooked all through the movie, only for it to end the way it did. All my joints just weak

Mtcheww..... Wetin concern me...

I knew it was critically acclaimed but that ending wey I see change my mind and make me dey wonder wetin critics see for am. It's good but bro, I no really understand wetin dem do with that ending.
Consequently I no fit rate wetin I no understand wetin dem dey try do with high ratings.

I was hooked all through but as I dey reach the ending, local man cannot can. 🤔😟

It seems Nairaland don't want me posting this movie.... I don chop ban twice despite making tweaks to it.


Da @viator 2004.....

xynerise:

I watch that scene I nearly laugh. Like how that .50 cal no tear am to pieces. I just dey rewind dey smile. 😂😂

Just like that rubbish they did at SISU where Baba put dead soldier for him back they run for that river bank. Wetin suppose tear the dead guy body pieces pierce him body.

Xavier5:
It was amazing engaging with you, I've learnt some things. Looking forward to doing more of this 😎.



#Xavier
#DCian

Always a pleasure discussing box office financials.😎

🤝🤝

Xavier5:
I'm echoing what Gunn said. If you think otherwise, you take up the argument with him. If the person in charge of the franchise states that Aquaman 2 set after the event of The Flash (which reboots the franchise) is part of the DCU due to it leading into Superman: Legacy, then I wonder what the argument is.

Even James Wan stated that he edited Aquaman 2 to fit into the DCU.

If Aquaman 2 wasn't part of the DCU;
1.) Why is it set after the event of the Flash, why not before it?
2.) Why did James Wan have to edit it to fit into the DCU?
3.) Why did Gunn state it leads into Superman: Legacy.
4.) If leading into Superman: Legacy does not make it part of the DCU, then how does it then lead into the DCU? Another reboot? That's ridiculous.
5.) Bluee Beetle being mentioned as the first DCU character shows that its movie, set after the event of the Flash (which reboots the franchise) is set in the DCU. Little wonder why it is self contained.

Initially, my idea was that Aquaman 2 was set in an alternate timeline different from the DCU (the same one as Ezra Miller and George Clooney), but when Gunn stated it leads into the DCU coupled with James Wan editing of it, that theory didn't make any sense, the only rational concept was its DCU setting.



Yeah, he said that, and he also said its the DCU first film that Aquaman 2 (not The Flash that reboots the DCEU into the DCU) leads into. In other words, Superman: Legacy is the first actual film under the DCU banner, but universe wise, it isn't. Aquaman 2 and Blue Beetle, especially Aquaman 2, who are left overs/ crossovers from the DCEU are.
Superman: Legacy is the first film with him in total control unlike Aquaman 2 and Blue Beetle that are the products of Hamada, Ann and Kilar. This is something we need to understand.



Funny enough, his statement about Aquaman 2 being in the DCU thus leading into Superman: Legacy was first made in January during the presentation of his planned films. This was months before Shazam 2 and The Flash were even released. So the whole marketing/ de-marketing idea isn't the whole reason, it is a part of it, but not the absolute reason.


#Xavier
#DCian

Alright.

Xavier5:
Now I get what you mean, you were calculating promotion cost as just marketing budget. I guess I misunderstood you, that's why I had to state that marketing goes beyond just promotion cost but also included miscellaneous cost of which i personally do put distribution cost as a part of.

And talking about total cost, I made it clear that by production budget, I meant production cost + tax cost + miscellaneous cost, and by marketing budget, I meant promotion cost +miscellaneous cost (which I personally do include distribution cost as part of). That was why I said the maximum total cost of $400M for DCU films should entail the above.



Talking about BEP, I just checked the Deadline data and I discovered their data was published on 6th April 2023.
My BEP estimate for The Batman ($550M to $600M) was the estimate of/ from last year, I think from Forbes or The Hollywood Reporter, I've forgotten which of them. I wasn't aware of this recent data from deadline.

Talking about the multiplier BEP formula. 2.5x multiplier doesn't actually cover the BEP of movies because there are films whose BEP is way beyond the 2.5x multiplier.
No Time To Die for example, as of December last year, had a BEP of $900M against a production budget of $301M. Going with the 2.5x multiplier, its BEP should be around $753M, but that's a far cry from its actual BEP. The 3x multiplier covered its BEP.

Truth is, BEPs range from 1x to 3x multiplier. 3x multiplier being the highest any movie has to make to break even. It can never exceed that. That's why lots of industry experts uses the 3x multiplier, it's more reliable and inclusive than the 2.5x multiplier making it the maximum and standard multiplier.
Yes, lots of industry experts go with the 2.5x multiplier, but that doesn't really cover the BEP of some films e.g No Time To Die, but 3x multiplier does.



#Xavier
#DCian

Of course I know some movies financials mean 3x multiplier for production budget, that's why I say 2.5x is the general or average industry standard and don't always apply to some films.

No Time To Die BEP of $900mn smells inflated to me. I heard of the stuff then but I don't believe its that high even with COVID delays inflating the costs.
And that's why I wait months after to get the true picture when the dust regarding a project settles. The studio MGM also disputed the claims.

Deadline and Variety are the ones good at calculating Hollywood financials. Forbes are good for predicting box office cume. THR is mainly great at general industry scoops or insider info.

GloriousGbola:
Eh? The comic /movie nerd is an Adonis

Stereotype destroyed

_{Now how did Ishi take know about the abs. Would abdul obsession with large mammary glands have anything to do with this?}

LMFAO..... This thing no go work. 😂😂

Ishilove:
Happy belated birthday, tall, dark and muscular one with 16pack belly.

Thanks ma'am.

majesticguy:
Big man happy birthday in arrears, wish you the very best life has to offer. Na una day make this place lively.

Big thanks boss.

Minemrys:
I already told him not to believe that but you know, I don't want to keep pushing the argument. If Aquaman is in it, why let go of Gadot, Cavill and Affleck?
I really no get strength to dey argue on the matter jare. Anyone can believe what they want.

Honestly the argument is tiring.

Xavier5:
Well, tell that to the studio executives. Even Gunn admitted that. According to Gunn, The Flash leads to Aquaman 2, and Aquaman 2 leads into Superman: Legacy.

But if you still think otherwise, then you should take it up with Gunn. I'm only echoing what Gunn said.

Never forget, Blue Beetle is self contained, while James Wan stated that Aquaman 2 underwent editing to fit into the DCU.

As I said, I'm only echoing what Gunn said.


#Xavier
#DCian

Lol, you're free to believe what you want bro.

Leads into the DCU does not mean it's part of the DCU or important to the DCU lore.

I've also been following every single DC news there is so I know what I'm saying.

If they were so connected why would Gunn be referring to Blue Beetle as the first character of the DCU instead of straight up just saying it's the first DCU film.

He already said Superman Legacy is DCU first film and Blue Beetle the DCU first character.
They don't mean the same thing.

All these ones now are just to not de-market this year's films because of what they're seeing regarding The Flash.