Xavier5: First of all, I used the word "maximum" for a reason. That's the highest they can or should ever reach. In other words, most of the films will be beneath that.
Secondly, the profit we are talking about here is gross profit, which is revenue minus cost. And not net profit, which we all know is revenue minus expenditures.
Thirdly, your analysis is inaccurate because your BEP estimate of The Batman and The Little Mermaid are inaccurate. Batman had a BEP of $550M to $600M, while The Little Mermaid has a BEP of $560M. So you see, your BEP estimate isn't accurate.
Of course, BEP is production cost + marketing cost. And when we talk of marketing, we are talking of promotion cost and miscellaneous cost.
Truth is, Studios do not truly reveal the real marketing cost (promotion + miscellaneous cost). This is why the BEP of most films aren't known thus making industry analysts to go with the 3x multiplier to determine film's BEPs.
To know the actual marketing cost of a film, deduct its production cost from its stated or published BEP. For e.g The Batman's actual marketing cost is $550M to $600M minus $200M which gives us $350M to $400M. The Little Mermaid actual marketing cost is $560M minus $250M which gives us $310M.
NOTE: Marketing cost here means promotion cost + miscellaneous cost.
There are lots of behind the scene cost the studio does not inform the public about, hence the reason for the high BEPs.
So when I said maximum production budget of $200M for DCU films, I meant the maximum amount that should be spent on production, tax and miscellaneous shouldn't exceed $200M.
And when I said maximum marketing budget of $200M for DCU films, I meant the maximum amount that should be spent for promotion and miscellaneous shouldn't exceed $200M.
With this, you get an ACTUAL maximum BEP of $400M, but this won't be so if WBD/DC have miscellaneous cost, both in production and marketing, that they keep off the public knowledge. With this the ACTUAL BEPs of the films are bound to exceed $400M.
I hope you get what I meant.
#Xavier #DCian
Lol, all what you've just said here is grossly inaccurate.
In my initial post I was telling you the total cost of the projects just by calculating the production cost + marketing cost alone. I never discussed break even point with you.
Even if we want to go into BEP, your estimates is still overly inaccurate and overbloated.
The general standard to calculating BEP is usually prod cost + marketing+ distribution. These days the formula is usually multiplying the prod cost by 2.5 and you get a rough estimate of BEP for each movie. of course some movie don't stick to this standard but it's the average and general rule of thumb.
A Hollywood analytical body with access to studio info have given the total breakdown of costs associated to The Batman and it's nowhere near your estimates. I know who to believe.
Studios don't publicly publish their financials for movies but there's also insiders and rival companies who can estimate a projects spend with good accuracy since they all deal in the same industry. It's not as if everything they do is in total secrecy and everyone not involved in the projects are oblivious to.
The Batman total expenditure calculated by Deadline puts it at $458mn, so it's BEP is $458mn. Not the bogus amount you posted there.
Xavier5: Aquaman 2 is in the DCU, but I hope the changes are for the better...
This is a massive dub....
Aquaman 2 isn't in the DCU just like Blue Beetle isn't. These are just corporate talk not to de-market the movie who feel less invested since the universe is ending.
Blue Beetle will be the first character for the DCU but it doesn't mean its in the DCU since it was finished filming even before Gunn became president. And there have been no reshoots.
Although, it can be worked out in the future to fit into the DCU, since it was produced mainly as a standalone and far removed from the dead DCEU.
Xavier5: Then he has to learn to avoid making controversial statements, that's a learnable behavior. His hype and promotion is highly needed due to his key DC position and high social media platform. If he cares about the franchise and his job, he will have to learn how to promote the film, and other DCU movies and series without making controversial statements. He has no option here. As a matter of fact, Zaslav should make him do it.
1.) Did you take note of the words, "production budget: maximum $200M," "marketing budget: maximum $200M," and "maximum BEP: $400M?"
Should I explain what "maximum" means also?
2.) Superman: Legacy is a blockbuster, so it has to be well/ properly budgeted, but its marketing and production budget shouldn't exceed $200M respectively. With this, going with the profitability standard/ formula, its BEP won't exceed $400M unlike films like The Batman, The Little Mermaid, Justice League etc
#Xavier #DCian
This is cap right here. 🧢
Both The Batman and The Little Mermaid total production and marketing costs don't exceed $400mn.
The Batman production cost was $185-200mn and marketing cost was $135mn. So the total got you at $335mn. NB: The Batman original budget was $100mn, but COVID disruption and delays ballooned the cost to double.
TLM prod cost is $250mn + marketing budget of $150mn; that gets you $400mn. Even The Flash massive budget has a marketing cap of over $100mn. The overall total gets you to $330mn.
There's rarely any blockbuster movie that spends $200mn in marketing. Even Avatar: The Way of The Water with its humongous production budget spent $175mn for marketing.
OhBritannia: Thanks Very much for this information. I don't think civilians can purchase or get such guns, both the one in extraction 2 and the one John wick used. They must be made for special military squads but i might be wrong though.
I don't think you can get such weapons as a civilian even in gun stores. Grenade launchers to the best of my knowledge are only used by paramilitary or military organizations or PMCs.
For incendiary rounds or ammunition, its use are restricted and can't be used recklessly. So I hardly see anyone getting it legally as a private individual. Even illegally sef it's gonna be hard. That's how restrictive its use is.
Baddestguyp: I heard Nanami was not in the manga for Jujutsu Kaisen movie 0 But they added him in the movie and gave him epic scenes for fanservice
But na this racially motivated fight of Gojo and Miguel I still like pass
The movie and the scenes was epic nonetheless as it didn't affect the quality of the story. If anything, it increased its entertainment value. Premium stuff.
OhBritannia: Extraction part 2 is a solid 8.5/10 for me. Now this is an absolute thrilling masterpiece. They gave us nonstop action from the starting to the ending. Every scene was top notch, from the gun dwells to the fight scene especially the prison fight scene in the prison Yard. That scene was 100% GOATED. Extraction 2 is the first and only movie i have watched repeatedly this year.
Christ is one of the best actors in Hollywood, he brings his A game to all his scenes. And guys!!!! That gun Chris shot at the last scene where the bullets sets anything or anyone it touches fire explosion.
Do we have such guns in reality?
It's called a grenade launcher. It doesn't necessarily uses a bullet. Instead it uses an explosive projectile.
If you're talking about bullets, then maybe you talking about the type John Wick used in this latest installment that sent goons flying and catching fire. That type is a gun with incendiary bullets.
And yes they're all real weapons and used extensively on the battlefield.
I don't understand the stupid ban I've been suffering for two days now.
Octopussy, since I tried to send you link, I just dey chop ban ever since. 3 accounts banned back to back for two days. Now, If I quote anybody on something else na ban. If you get mod connect, yarn am now cos I don dey vex. Just check on net _naija_ to get "Fool's Paradise".
Seun better resolve this issue cos it's getting annoying. If someone attached a picture to a post, you get redirected elsewhere. You'll battle with the system for two minutes before making a single post with pictures.
SOZINN: Can't believe these people took this nonsense to china. Lol 😂 No action in presales. Let's see how much "woke power" can wheel in for the little garbage 😂 Keep tracking
Calm down bruh.... I don't think anyone was expecting The Little Mermaid to do well in China. Even "Mulan" specially made for them was a massive flop.
Nevertheless, TLM looks to be a box office success no matter what detractors say.
oyaskii: I remember a few weeks back when we had the discourse here about the impact of AI on Hollywood and some people were of the opinion that the impact will be minimal but here we are today.
The Writers Guild current striking demands include the total exclusion of AI from movie process but the studios seems not to be having it. For context"Doctor Strange: Multiverse of Madness" was rewritten 33 times before they found the script that the studio liked, thereby delaying filming, Insider sources are saying these studios feel, the movie process could move quite faster with use of AI.
MCU is set to be the biggest victim of this strike as most of thier project from late 2024 to 2026 are still at the writing stage hence expected delay and possible shift on their scheduled release dates.
To put things in perspective, the WGA strike of 07/08 had quite an impact on scripted television. Shows with scheduled 22 episodes were cut to 10 or even 6 episodes, so if this current strike lingers on, there might be delay in new episodes on shows currently airing or the seasons are cut short early.
phr0nesis: Oh I had no idea they were made by WB. I think they made Legend of the guardians: ... Ga'hoole too but I'm not sure they have made any animations recently
They released DC's League of Superpets last year in theatres starring Dwayne Johnson. Hybrid release "Space Jam: A New Legacy" was in 2021. Their movies ain't that popular cos the animation studio isn't really serious or ambitious. They plan on releasing "Coyote vs Acme" this year from the Looney Tunes universe. There's also two films scheduled for release next year.
Although, things might change soon in the next two years as Warner Animation Group just got a new president in Bill Damaschke. He previously worked with Dreamworks for 20yrs. So maybe there might be a turnaround for the studio.
phr0nesis: Has WB ever done any animation apart from DC-related animations?
Yep, they release a few animation movie every couple year. Their first film was The Lego Movie in 2014. They've gone on to produce Storks, Smallfoot, Scoob!, Tom and Jerry, and they released DC's League of Superpets last year in theatres starring Dwayne Johnson.
I've been waiting for this anime since last year. Damn, something I was thinking we'll see this summer or autumn, them don push am to winter. That's like till late November/ December. 😓
David Zaslav has been making great decisions choosing his film division heads. Seems WB Animation is in for a revival. That department has been in comatose state after 2017.
It'd be interesting to see the competition that might ensue with Disney and Universal.