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cap28:I believe you when you say that. I respect that. But, most people do care, especially, if they feel, as a minority, they're being deliberately marginalized. I personally didn't care either until I looked below the surface and saw that this is a prevailing sentiment amongst many. So, I am open to addressing whatever may be pulling any Nigerian from feeling like a fully fledged citizen. Yes, sir, I'll make my own sacrifice to unite the country. I will suspend my presidential ambition to give others a chance. hehehehe. ![]() -Isale Gangan |
cap28:Because you can't (attempt to) secede without warfare and casualties. It didn't happen back then. And I don't see how it can ever be done. Therefore it is wrong to conclude that the secession movement was a failure as it was brutally and violently crushed by a puppet govt who were acting under instructions from britain.I'm not sure what else to consider it other than a failure, looking at the result. I don't know if the military planning and war strategies was sound. All I know is that lots of kids suffered, lots of people died - combatants and innocent alike, and the country held. This "experiment" as you describe it did not just occur out of the blue - the igbos were being massacred in the north by hausa lynch mobs, the nigerian head of state at the time - Gowon - did nothing to stop these massacres, as a result over 50,000 igbos were butchered in unprovoked attacks by hausas, the igbos were forced to flee to the south east to protect their lives and property, some igbos who tried to escape were butchered while trying to make their way east - the surviving igbos were completely traumatised by this situation and felt that the only option open to us was secession."Experiment" was the wrong word to use. I apologize about that. My vocabulary failed me when I was writing that. I just didn't have the chance to substitute something more appropriate. I certainly don't belittle any part of that part of our history. It is my knowledge of the aftermath that informs my opposition to any secession movement in Nigeria. Desperate times call for desperate solutions, but in this instance the call for secession by igbos was justified, the only other option was extermination at the hands of the northern oligarchy.I understand something had to be done. And I'm not saying it was not justified. But why secession? What options did they eliminate to arrive at this measure? Were there other countries that had taken that route and being successful? Was the USA behind it? Were they secretly pushing the Biafrans to secede? We know that Murtala Muhammed during his "term" had Brits advising him as to how to handle Nigeria. I read a very convincing article about how Muhammed wanted to excise some part of Nigeria until it was explained to him by these European powers that excising any part of the territory would weaken him and the country and put him at a risk of a protracted border struggles in the near future. Imagine, a Head of State wanting to give up territory! It's simply not done. Just the same way, no country simply allows secession. It's just not done. The rebels or freedom fighters depending on which side you're on will always be outnumbered and outgunned. Hey, Cap, a couple of things you didn't address: What is your take on the events that precipitated the massacres in the North? Why do you think the East made a move on the West during the war? Are you convinced there was an agreement that the West would break away as well? -Isale Gangan Hope you're well. I'm awesome - found some Ayinde Barrister music on YouTube. Some I haven't heard in years. Yeh! Update me on your blogging plans when you can. Merci. |
CNN is a joke! They're eating the dust of the Fox Racist News Network, and straining their necks to make sure MSNBC doesn't catch up. They have no clue how to regain their former glory days and in the process are playing musical chairs with their anchors and schedules. They just have no idea what works anymore. The whole damn network is being torn apart by internal wrangling and backbiting. Look at the controversies with Lou Dobbs, Larry King and Chris Sanchez, who was fired because he actually acknowledged that jews are more than adequately represented in the news and entertainment media. Oh Horrors The Truth! How dare he? I'm not surprised this half-wit decided to earn her stripes and stand out by disrespecting a sitting African President, because you know, that's how Anderson Cooper got famous, not by actually paying his dues with decades-long plain old-fashioned intrepid reporting. Ted Turner must be crying in his beer at what his creation has become. |
Al-hamdu L'illahi. Congratulations! Though it's really not incredible that a 45-year old woman gave birth, especially to twins, which is fairly common with older mothers. The incredible part is that she'd been trying for 25 years! |
cap28:I said I'd tackle this later. I'm not sure how to start. It'll have to be stream of consciousness. What's making you feel this way? All day, reading about the planning and political maneuverings leading up to the presidential election, it just kind of hit me: Wow, the Ibos haven't had one of their own as Head of State in eons. It kind of made me understand a little better what may be contributing to why some express feelings of being marginalized. Or maybe it's just the ones on NL. Honestly, Nigerians used to get along better in the old days. A non-Nigerian or even a Nigerian who hasn't lived in the country in years, reading Nairaland and some of the internet stuff, would think all the tribes are at each others throats 24/7. Another Rwanda. God forbid it! That'll not happen in my generation, I resolve. Even the Rwandans didn't expect that. They got along great too, until the usual suspects worked their evil magic. I digress. ![]() So, yeah. Am not sure how it's all gonna turn out, but I'm not giving up hope. I know life for most in Naija is unreal. Who'd have thought we'd be looking back in 2010, and still NEPA continues to take light. Generators became a permanent household appliance. Still, I just don't feel hopeless or disillusioned. Yet. Not permanently anyway. There's some progress being made. There's ongoing investigations of corrupt politicians, the ones going into public service simply to go chop money will be weeded out. Then they'll go for the big guys. Maybe that'll keep people like IBB and OBJ out of it so we can move forward. Retire them for good. After 8 years each, stay the heck out! We'll see. ![]() -Isale Gangan |
"The Nigeria state supposes to ward free education to them after the Nigerian/Biafran war but failed to do so and that affected lots of children in that region. In 1977, as a primary school drop out I was hacking Igbo made shoes when ignorantly we walk in Armed Forces Resettlement, at Oshodi. The soldiers called us to come and sale goods to them. Unknown to us that, hacking is not allowed in there. They began to take advantage of us. Their oga collected some pairs of shoes from us without paying. Threaten to lock us up in their cell. They called us all sorts of names. Yamiri this, yamiri Ojukwu that. We were intimidated harassed and punished for the war we know nothing about: simply because we are Igbo chaps. Painfully the leaders from the South East seem not to care much about the education of the Igbo child." Great post! It would be a service, and motivating to people out there if you shed some light on how you turned your life around, from the child you described above, a primary school drouput selling things on the street and getting harrassed by police, to the person you are today. That is, if you have time and want to share, of course. Bravo! -Isale Gangan |
Hey, I mentioned BOONDOCKS to you before. One of the best episodes I've seen was on last night, The Story of Catcher Freeman, in which an action hero type helps to liberate slaves on a plantation. It's told in flashbacks, with Granpa telling a tale about one of his forebears, a free back called Catcher Freeman; then the self-hating black guy, Uncle Ruckus, tells his version of this dubious tale. In the end, Huey, the protagonist of The Boondocks series, researches the archives and tells the "true" story. My favorite part of it is that the girl is actually the hero. Holla! There haven't been any new episodes for a while. I'm just late to watching the rebroadcasts. Also available on DVD. My only complaint about the series, is that, being a contoversial show there are many aspects and even entire episodes that I don't like. That's to be expected from a work that seeks to be ground-breaking, so I don't begrudge McGruder that. He has to express his ideas his own way. And he is known for going out of his way to rile people up. For example, the Usher episode, I just don't get. Too much B-word thrown all over the place. McGruder says there is so much beaneath the surface though. That there is a deeper meaning and a bigger story he's trying to tell with each one. The underlying theme always revolves around Black Liberation. If I can, I'll post links to video excerpts. Found their site/blog. I don't like the layout. http://www.boondocksbootleg.com/ An interesting feature on an episode: http://blogs.ajc.com/radio-tv-talk/2010/06/21/aaron-mcgruders-boondocks-mocks-tyler-perry/ BTW, I am still on topic. The thread is about:1) everything I want to discuss about Nigeria and all that relates to it. Plus, 2) issues I want to discuss with you, hence "F. O. A. Cap28." I'll check back periodically. Hope things are going well for you. Are you really relocating shortly? Best of luck with that. I will be doing that soon too. Though I'm told by lots of folks to stay bi-continental. One way or the other, it'll be done. -Isale Gangan |
[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=555444.msg7202253#msg7202253 date=1290528273]^^ Because they are ordained agents of Allah?[/quote]Repped! Cheers. NL doesn't have a means to add to your rep, but am doint it anyway. ![]() -Isale Gangan |
cap28: I'll come back to this. I mentioned that the best thing for nigeria now is to split along ethnic lines because i do not see any viable future for it as one nation, we are just too divided and have too many conflicting interests at play. I think if we seperate along ethnicity it will engender a feeling of nationalistic pride amongst each respective ethnic group that in turn will create a willingness on the part of the people within those groups to work towards building and developing their own respective part of the country.I am not fundamentally opposed to that. But, once again, we tried this! Wasn't the (tri-regional) first republic* the closest thing we had to this? Even Awo, in one of the numerous speeches posted on this very forum, mentioned something similar? Not splitting up the country, but something along the lines of each area taking pride in and devoloping their own region?* I hate to disabuse you of this dream, Cap28, but the country will not be redrawn strictly along ethnic lines - again. The closest thing to it, will continue to be the creation of more states to assuage the groups agitating for more self-determination - that "freedom and power" coming in the form of voting power. They'll have more representatives in congress, and they get to maybe elect, for governor, a native son, or someone close to their ethnic group as they can get. Ultimately, where does this really lead us? You can think it till the cows come home. You know, Yorubas like to say "Yoruba Ronu." You can ronu forever until infinity, to come up with a reconstruction of this artificial boundary called Nigeria, but it's all we've got. For me, I worry less about redrawing and splitting apart, Nigeria, but bringing together all of Africa. And, despite all the naysayers, and negativity that's latched itself onto the Nigerian soul, because of all the suffering, the one step forward and 2 steps back dance of our national progress, I think a sizable number of the people in power all over Africa are making progress towards that. Are we not consolidating our passports into one passport for West Africa now? It's a drop in the bucket, but it's a start. I'm sure there'll be more. The above is simply my opinion, not academically researched, so feel free to pick it apart. ![]() anyway take care and speak soonNo worries. ![]() -Isale Gangan Wow, this can be time-consuming, heh? How do you do all those long replies? Dang it. I'm also thinking, maybe this thread is just creating a whole new can of worms. I visualize it as a way to have meaningful discussions, especially about all the things that interest and concern me about Nigeria, and to take you to task for what I saw as contradictory in your statements about Nigeria's future and past. We'll see. If the thread outlives its usefulness, we'll have to pull the plug. I think some of your sparring partners will follow you here. Hopefully, there'll be no casualties. edited: *corected from "confederacy." Dunno where that came from. |
cap28:Okay, so this is where it gets dicey. We're at a crossroads here, because I couldn't disagree more. I never expect any Nigerian who was around or who has heard first-hand retelling of the war and the fear engendered in people and everything else a civil war entails to ever think that a "secession" or a violent overthrow, (because trust me, there is no revolution without violence) would be our way to resolving the problem of Nigeria. Honestly, that has been tried. And it failed. Woefully. It's been done! Why go back to an experiment that failed? Do you not think a lot of the problems we continue to face: the division, the paranoia, the unrelenting tribalism - "oh, they have more than we do, oh the Hausa have this and that" and all that nonsense - is us still paying for this hideous war? All the people that died. Look at any society that's suffered a civil war - how many decades later they're still trying to put themselves back together. It's like a human being who has been traumatized (Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder, if you will), do they not continue to rebuild their lives decades later? Talk less of a country made up of millions of parts? I just personally, without delving too much into the logistics of the war, am so not in favor anything close to even a suggestion of breaking away. Who are you breaking away from? You really think the Hausas are out to destroy Ibos, or Yorubas are trying to overthrow or overtake any other tribe? Puh-leeze! Let's even skip 1, 2, 3, 9 steps of what needs to take place to accomplish a "successful" secession, to predict conditions of a post-divided Nigeria? Think about India and Pakistan, did they not get into another war right after they divided? Did another country (Bangladesh) not break away afterwards? Are Pakistan and India not engaged in a death struggle until now? One eyeing the other. Each sleeping with one eye open? "Hey, are they gonna get weapons of mass destruction before we do? Hey, why are they so cosy with that enemy and that friend?" On and on forever. Each one continuing to be a pawn in the chess game of the western powers? So, in Africa, after the Imperialists Invasions, Western Exploitation of our Natural Resources, Slavery, Colonization, Independence Struggles, Military Coups, Apartheid, Internecine wars, Border conflicts, Oil boom, Financial ruin and back to Rebuilding again, we are going to regress to a civil war in the giant of Africa? How does this take place? What influence do you think that will have on our neighbours, hanging tenuously onto democracy. I mean. Seriously! -Isale Gangan It's late here, so I'll pick this up after you reply. |
cap28:I know some Naijas can be quite verbally abusive, but nairaland takes it to a whole other level, so I understand. I notice how perfectly rational posters metamorphosize into all kinds of hideous characters. Yup, what can you do? Other than take a time-out, maybe, and or take a deep breath. Easy to say when I'm not the one being attacked. Anyway, I think you guys like the verbal sparring, so I'll get off your back about that. ![]() yeah you were talking about starting up a blog - that is definitely something i intend to do very soon, actually its a work in progress, your input will be appreciated.Actually, I was just teasing about that. But, that's good. You can rant in peace. hehe. And invite your nemeses to join when you need a good fight. -Isale Gangan |
It's just a nice holiday cuz you get 2 days off. 4-day weekend and all. You don't have to celebrate like it's 1999 if you don't want to. To each his own. |
Why Are Nairalanders So Insultive And Abusive? No home traning for some; lack of shame; anonymity; crazies. I post sporadically and sometime take extended breaks between visits. I can imagine people who hang around a lot get disillusioned. If you look at some posters, when they first registered, they'd be posting "oh let's all sing kumbaya - we're all Africans - let's just get along." Before long, they start emulating the people they complained about the most and take up the mantle of tribe-bashing and other appalling behavior. It is odd. But it is a popular site, if Alexa and Google are to be believed. As long as that trend continues, the mods and the owner aren't going to rock the boat. Still, it's just the internet. Not much you can do, but grow a thick skin, or get out into the real world more and more. ![]() |
Dude, You don't know me. You're welcome to stick around, but keep the vulgarity out of this thread. Thanks. |
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cap28:Be cool, bro! See my previous post to you. Peace. |
That reporter was thoroughly unprofessional, especially at the end there - whining about he'd get more respect if he was a BBC reporter and some mess! Big chip on his puny shoulders. |
i think she's been married a couple of times? One of the guys in U2 and a gazillionaire from way back. She's quite horrible. Venal woman. How 'bout them blood diamonds from Charles Taylor, Naomi? |
Beaf:LOL. A hearty belly laugh there. Thanks! ![]() |
duvaale:Do you "communicate" with your hands? |
amingafar:We know there are many settlers in Lagos of NUPE stock. We call them TAPA people and they're an ingrained part of Lagos Island. Many families have Tapas in their family/fore fathers and mothers. Most of them settled in Isale Gangan though, not Isale Eko. The people of Isale Eko have been in Eko longer and are quite intransigent. While most of those who populated Isale Gangan were practising muslims, historically the natives in Isale Eko were loath to adopt an outside religion. Older relatives remembered the Isale-Eko people's strong adherence to the Yoruba religion, which I respect actually. The Animashaun you mentioned is just one person and, from your excerpt, adopted the name Animashaun from Yorubas who were already living in Lagos. A quick glance of your post makes it appear that the Animashauns were all Nupe people. Anyway, I don't want people to think there were no native Yorubas in Lagos until Nupe came, or that that is where all Yorubas came from. I have no quarrel with you. You are obviously a diehard Ribadu for President supporter. I am not committed to any candidate as of yet, unless Fashola declares for 2011, which I doubt. I will read up some more on Ribadu's positions, since you are convinced he is a progressive that will move Nigeria forward. What I've seen of him, though, I have some reservations. Not convinced of his motives for running out of the country when he did. We'll see. Didn't mean to derail the thread from the topic. |
cap28:Click on my moniker; Scroll down; Click to see posts; Scan. Ya can't miss it, Cap28. ![]() I don't want to attract the crazies. |
cap28:Cap, When you're able, please reply to my earlier post in the other thread. (You may have to search my posts.) Merci beaucoup! -Isale Gangan |
jason12345:I know, Jason. It's too bad that a site that is one of the 10 most popular in Nigeria is riddled with racist and ethnic diatribe. So many Nigerians in Africa and in the diaspora are looking for a medium to connect with each other, but we end up with so much of this nonsense. And now picking on the poor Ghanaians who are just trying to rebuild their country and mind their business. If we want to be seen as the giant of Africa, we have to demonstrate a bit more self-respect. And Ghanaians and other Africans should be welcome here! If you start to pick fights with them, of course some will respond in kind. edited 4:32m NG time. |
Good for him. Good for African football. If the guy is a patriot, he'll want to coach Nigerian team one day. And, he'll get the job too. |
Stop insulting Ghanaians! It's not bad enough NL has turned into tribal bashing central, we now have to drag other well-meaning Africans into this nonsense. Go Ghana. You guys rock! ![]() |
SalisuOri: ![]() There is no statute of limitations on murder. In any society. In the history of the world. Note: I am not accusing him or anyone of murder. I don't know enough about the circumstances of Newswatch founder Dele Giwa's death to talk about that. I am simply responding to the above sentence. |
I stopped reading where he said to Abiola, you'll need a "re-run election." WTF! How would you like to win ANYTHING, talk less of a national referendum with preceding months of campaigns and traveling and speeches and spending all your money and so on, and be told you have to go thrugh the whole process again? That is seriously messed-up. And this IBB sob expects us to buy that? I was somewhat neutral and at least wanted to hear it all from the horse's mouth, but that is seriously effed up! Dude calls himself an "EVIL Genius." That says it all, really. |
an online search for "dimka" brought up this thread. wth! btw, a reference to dimka on page 2. sooo random. |
Re: Do You Regret Moving Abroad? Yes. Though I had little say in the matter, on account of age. But it will be rectified - soon. My life goals cannot be achieved in another man's country. I don't relate to this people and I don't care about them. I'd rather be at home making a contribution. (Other than sending western union remittances!) It's a personal decision. I don't begrudge those who choose to stay abroad, or those who are trying to leave Nigeria. I just cannot abide self-loathing Africans. It is one thing to make your choice, but why put down your country? Too many posters here have a pathological hatred of all things Nigeria and use any excuse to highlight and ridicule where the country is struggling. You know who you are. If you hate your race so much, go bleach your skin and straighten your nose. It can be done. Then you can stop crying when you look in the mirror! ![]() -Isale Gangan |
There was a similar poster who was also very funny. I previously found his posts by accident, but can't remember his i.d. He started off complaining about a Nigerian who spent 2 weeks abroad and decided she would no longer eat amala or eba without fork. He also went on tirades about Obama supporters. Most of his posts, I think, were right before Obama was elected. Does anyone remember him? I got a good laugh from his posts. Thanks. |
EzeUche0:I voted for you. Cheers! ![]() Couldn't care less about the posters' tribes. During my infrequent vists here, lately, I've just seen your name connected to too many hateful posts. Maybe it was a moment in time. Maybe you're capable of meaningful dialogue but just enjoy being a butthead on the internet way too much. You're young yet. I don't read most of bkbabe posts because the few I did were way too vulgar, to be honest. Becomrich doesn't belong up there. Dude's just a Geographer with OCD. ![]() -Isale Gangan |
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