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Katsumoto:
Then you need to read Professor Akinjogbin's 'Milestones and Social Systems in Yoruba History and Culture'. This book corroborates Johnson's book. Another good book is R. Lawrence's 'The Oyo Empire', though not as detailed as the other two books. Other good accounts include J.F. Ade Ajayi and R. Smith: Yoruba Warfare and Professor Bolanle Awe: Oxford Ph.D. thesis (1964) - "The Rise of the Ibadan Empire". These are all very good references; if you have the time.

I've started to peruse books by A.B. Ellis. He wrote a number of historical accounts in the 1890s on Africa. I'm finishing one called "The Yoruba-Speaking Peoples of West Africa." I'd like feedback if you have an opinion of him. Thanks.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/afr/yor/index.htm

http://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006576980

That was a tough article to get through.  I knew there'd be a picture of the little boy at the end and I steeled myself for it, to no avail.  Hard.  

dappssee:
I'm thinking of paying his school fees and clothes. I need someone that can help trace his mother and someone for his feeding.

I'll contact 234Next. Don't even have an idea where that slum is

Did you make any progress with this?  I hope you weren't dissuaded from assisting however you can.  The boy deserves it.  And I'm sure thousands more are suffering, but when you see a personal story it's hard not to be moved.  I myself will ask my people in Lagos what they've heard about this little boy and his current situation.  Best wishes for this boy and everyone concerned sbout him.

Sagamite:
I would rather have Kobojunkie than have a delusional paranoic.

It's a mock campaign.  Not sure who the target of your ire is - the nominee or this poster, or both.     Where did your sense of humour go?  Anyway, I don't want to derail the thread.  That's all from me until voting time.

Jarus:
POSITION SO FAR:

KATSUMOTO - 10
BEAF - 9
DAPOBEAR - 6
KOBOJUNKIE - 4
CAP28 - 2
ONLYTRUTH - 2
WALES - 2
EXPERTS - 2
ANDRE UWEH - 2
IBIME - 2
TAYO - 1
SLAP1 - 1
EXPERTS - 1
ABAGWORO - 1
OYB - 1
JASON12345 - 1


DISQUALIFIED NOMINEES: Becomrich, Fstranger
NB: Only the Top 3 will make final poll at the expiration of nomination stage by 15th December, from where the winner will emerge after another two weeks of voting.
Where we have more more than two nomnations, only the first two were(will be) counted. The 'one poster, one nominee' rule has been reviewed to 'one poster, maximum of two nominees' as is being done in other sections.

oya, keep nominating.

I believe SEFAGO nominated himself.  Shouldn't he have one point?  I saw nothing in the rules precluding self-nomination.  Long shot, but fair is fair.     Let the dude have his 1 point already.

My nominee, CAP28, still has a shot.  We just need 5 more posters to support the nomination.  I will not abandon him cos he only has 2 points.  I will re-assess after the 15th, once the top 3 are officially announced.  

Ultimately, let us work together to prevent Junkie from ruling Nairaland Politics section.  I do not want to co-exist in a NairalandWorld where he/she is anointed elected anything!

edited: anointed is wrong choice of words.

Kobojunkie:
A town you will probably won't be able to afford on even 10 year's salary? ROFLMAO!!!


just joking ooo . . .  ROFLMAO!!

Right back at you, Junkie.  Ase.  ROFLMAO!!  On your head.  ROFLMAO!!

We don't want people with such negative attitude infecting Lagos anyway.    ROFLMAO!!

Katsumoto:
Read Samuel Johnson's 'History of the Yorubas' and a book by Professor Akin-jogbin; I can't remember the title now.

Great book. No Yoruba history anthology is complete without it.

P.S. Correction - Got the above confused with "The Kingdoms of the Yoruba," by Robert Smith.  Haven't read Johnson's book.

Lagos welcomes everyone.

I just read the thread and learned from it as well.  I think, since Yorubas value discretion, Ifa practitioners may be adverse to codifying Ifa Divination in one "holy" book where it could be misinterpreted and easily accessible to the wrong people.  Just one reason that comes to mind.

I recently read several chapters of a history book written by a European in 1899 or thereabouts where he discusses Oduduwa at length, and lo and behold, the whole chapter he is referring to Oduduwa as a "she."  I did not get a chance to finish the book, so I cannot vouch for the entire thing. There may be more errors, but I learned some things and it appears to be well researched. Regarding the Oduduwa part, I couldn't figure out if the author was deliberately mislead because his interviewees resented his amebo-ness or something was lost in the translation.

I didn't get a chance to finish the book yet.  Here's a link if anyone is interested:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/afr/yor/yor03.htm

ROSSIKE:
EKO ATLANTIC, LAGOS - NIGERIA'S ANSWER TO NEW YORK IN PICS

CONSTRUCTION: ONGOING

Thanks for posting.  That's my town for ever and ever. Amin.
P.S. A couple of days ago, I heard rumblings from someone at home that the powers-that-be are fighting to boot out Fashola from a second term.  I hope it's not true.  Anyway, I find it hard to believe.  I do need to read up on the political news asap.

Wow!  I'm scared of this thread, but here goes.

I wouldn't ascribe any nefarious intentions, or sick relationship, other than the guy wanting to help out his child.  Men are born heroes - waiting for when they can save the day.  The man's lived in UK for decades, probably not seeing much of his daughter and feeling she might not feel towards him what he wants her to feel.  If the opportunity presents itself when he can come to the rescue of her or his grandchildren, you bet he'd jump at the chance. 

A few years ago, the USA press was rife with debate about the story of a Black American that had once been estranged from his daughter; later when she needed a kidney, he gave her one of his.  Well, the little brat and her ignorant mother neglected her follow-up medical care and she didn't always take the medicine that was supposed to keep her body from rejecting the donor kidney.  As her health deteriorated and she needed another kidney, what did she and her mother do?  Ask the guy for his other kidney!  True story.  No surgeon was willing to perform the surgery because it was essentially suicide on the part of the father.  I don't recall how it was resolved. 

The point is that the poor sod was ready to go through with it. 

Some people will do anything for their offspring, especially when making up for the past.

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Very nice. I like it.

MandingoII:
Europe's Demise is Africa's rise.

All Africa have to do is GOVERN properly.

MandingoII:
you should be happy they are FAILING.

they do not have open sewers

you do.

be jealous and seek their demise.

(i would if I were you)

Ditto.  But with less jealousy. And more vengeance.

Jarus:
CRITERIA:
-Quality of contribution - both comments and threads
-Sensibility of activities on the forum - perennial trouble makers will not be accepted, but stout defence of opinion or hot debate is no trouble making
-Sticking to forum rules - any person that has been banned or notorious for makng deletable posts will not be considered-Level of activities on the forum - Though not a prime factor, more regular posters stand higher chance.

Just wondering about the bolded criterion.  I've seen a few posts on the forum from people claiming to have been erroneously banned by SpamBot(?).

Cap28.  Unrelenting.  Focused.  Detailed.  Even if you don't share his opinion, you can't argue the quality of his posts. 

(On second thought, he probably hates this sort of thing.  Oh well.)

Honorable Mentions go to lots of posters, some already mentioned, but I don't want to offend anyone if I forget their names. You know you are quality. 

DapoBear:
If the US were as weak as Nigeria, and Nigeria were as strong as the US, would we not do the same exact thing? Most of this stuff is just human nature.

DapoBear, I read your posts and I enjoy your contribution.  I don't know how old you are.  But if you don't already know what I and other people are talking about regarding US foreign policy in Africa, you will need to wait and see.  Gotta go. Will check back later.

-Isale Gangan

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=559348.msg7241208#msg7241208 date=1291060159]When some of us talk about western imperialism,hegemony,expanionist and oppression carried by Us and other european countries,they would start talking trash;calling you racist.
Thank God,wikileaks is blowing their yansh for the world to see.[/quote]I couldn't agree more with what you just said.  These people that are so blind to the evils of the U.S. (foreign policy) and their agents really confound me.  I've seen some outrageous comments on an earlier thread.  Already seen a couple here.  What is wrong with "our" people?  It's sickening how blind some of them are.  I applaud WikiLeaks.

And, it's not simple espionage.  Wait until we see all their notes about all the leaders they worked to overthrow in Africa, etc. 

-Isale Gangan

cap28:
ill come back to you on the other post shortly.

Okay, it's fine to do that when you can.  I think you mean the war debate in the other thread.  Will check over there periodically.  Not here.   

cap28:
thats cool -  by the way what does "simpatico" mean

hehehehehehe 

anything you say sis - shall we move on swiftly to another topic then 

hahahahahahaha.  Well played, counselor.

lovely poem, and very insightful, but there must be a reason why it appeals to you.

You like my rhymes?  I'll give you more.  What Rumi?  I have the words.

ill come back to you on the other post shortly.

I have second thoughts about the other posts.  Might be the source of the wrong kind of attention.  But, whatever.  It's all good.  

take care

You take it easy now, ya hear? 

Cap28 is a lawyer and has to debate, I mean argue, I mean fight until the last dog dies!  It's his sustenance.  Something about the adversarial system. 

cap28:
Hey Isale, no that wasnt the crux of it for me at all  - it was just an observation, i did comment on the entire interview and to my mind i didnt really see anything disrespectful about it, she was rigorous but not disrespectful, let me show you a clip of a british news anchor interviewing condoleeza rice in which i think the anchor was definitely being disrespectful (and i can't even stand condoleeza rice):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI6Z7W14PGs

1) I was kidding about the first (hotness/crux) part.  Honestly, we are so not simpatico anymore.   

2) She would not have talked to any non-African head of state like that.   

3) Here's another clip that was linked to the one in the opening post.  Amanpour is as tough as any journalist and she didn't need to be obnoxious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a8-MNnC15g&NR=1
Your gal is just rough around the edges.  Sorry.   

4) I was gonna write up a bunch more stuff but am fed up of this chick and this topic already. 

5-10) I like this poem by Rumi, a 13th century author, so am gonna end with that.  No reason.   I just like it is all.

TENDING TWO SHOPS

Don’t run around this world
looking for a hole to hide in.

There are wild beasts in every cave!
If you live with mice,
the cat claws will find you.

The only real rest comes
when you’re alone with God.

Live in the nowhere that you came from,
even though you have an address here.

That’s why you see things in two ways.
Sometimes you look at a person and see a cynical snake.

Someone else sees a joyful lover,
and you’re both right!

Everyone is half and half,
like the black and white ox.

Joseph looked ugly to his brothers,
and most handsome to his father.

You have eyes that see from that nowhere,
and eyes that judge distances,
how high and how low.

You own two shops,
and you run back and forth.

Try to close the one that’s a fearful trap,
getting always smaller. Checkmate,
this way. Checkmate that.

Keep open the shop
where you’re not selling fishhooks anymore.
You are the free-swimming fish.

Well, not too many northeners live outside of Nigeria, so their region wouldn't show high receipt of remittances from USA and Europe. In my years in the USA, the only Hausa/Fulanis I've met here are from Guinea or Gambia or some other West African country. I met some Naija Hausa family once, but they were on vacation. They were quite vocal about never wishing to live abroad, but to stay in Nigeria. One of them said she worked in Lagos, and the other said he had studied in the USA but returned home as soon as he got his degree.

I think I offended Cap somehow.   Noticed there were no smilies    in his last replies.  I'm on the s--t list now?  So long, Cap'n.      So long, thread. 

[quote author=Abuzola ! link=topic=554935.msg7226288#msg7226288 date=1290846254]Am so scared of what am hearing and reading in this group, with the absence of our great contributor some people are here confusing once true muslim.

@isale gangan- There is nothing like imam mahdi the 12th imam. . .[/quote]No worries about me.     I'm determined and only do things that I understand fully.

While we're talking about this.  I have a question.  In the area where I live, there are 2 mosques somewhat far away from me, but the closest community mosque is a Shia Islamic Center, that I've never had a reason to attend.  A North African muslim I met was telling me to go there for Eid prayers, or daily prayers when I want.  He said it didn't matter and there was nothing wrong with doing salah there.  So, if you really wanted to do Jummah and couldn't go far, and the other options were praying in your house or going to a Shia Masjid down the road, what would be your choice?

cap28:
Ive never had any respect for CNN as its just another propaganda machine designed to desseminate the usual half truths, omissions and distortions, however Isha Sesay did ask GEJ important questions that need to be answered. . .  

. . . i think Ms Sesay was fine - she's also very hot 

And that's the crux of it for you, isn't it? Really.  

Anyway, I confess, I didn't watch the video.  I just wanted to rant against CNN.  Felt much better afterward.  

Edited to add: 
Crud!  I just watched it.  I'm only 1/3 of the way through.  Very condescending aggressive in-your-face body language.  Interrupting him?  WTH!
Oh, well. . . .

The following is an excerpt from an article about Orikis.    

Yoruba Oriki: A dying cultural genre?
Written by Abiodun Awolaja
Nigerian Tribune
Monday, 15 November 2010

The oriki is a time-honoured cultural form. But Yoruba youths appear to be no longer interested in it. Abiodun Awolaja examines the reasons for this change.

The Yoruba oriki (cognomen) is a form of cultural expression which is prevalent in Africa. Among the Yoruba, it is a time-honoured poetic form, a repository of traditional lore, values, virtues and accomplishments. The oriki has been described as a genre used to inspire people, and varies in length depending on whether it refers to a single individual or a clan.  It can be sung or  drummed.

Usually,every Yoruba family has its own oriki, which extols the virtues of the clan, but it is not always positive in its moral content. For instance, part of the oriki of the town where this writer hails from  reads thus: omo eluku mede mede, omo imale afeleja, omo akenigbo, keru o ba’ra ona; omo ole yilu baara ko i jeun aaro; omo asalejeje bi eni ti o robinrin ri, etc( son of Eluku; son of the spirit who fights with the machete; son of the one who cries in the forest and intimidates people of the road; son of the layabout who roams town before eating breakfast; son of the one who pets a concubine delicately, like one who has not seen a woman before, etc), which would seem to suggest that the people are war mongering thugs and fornicators.

An Ibadan oriki also describes the place as one where “the thief is justified rather than the owner of the goods,’’ while the Iseyin people are described as “ebedi moko, male’’(ebedi welcomes both the husband and lover), although the latter part has now been cleverly omitted, perhaps in view of the country’s recent millennium development goals. Some common oriki middle names also include Arike (child meant to be spoilt), Abebi (child begged to be born), Aduke (people will fight over the privilege to take care of her); Ajani (child we fought to have), etc. Interestingly, some mischievous individuals now construct parodies of the oriki genre: “omo badiye ku ata la n lo” (child of when the fowl dies, we quickly grind pepper’’)etc.

However, the glory days of the oriki seem to be gone, as most Yoruba youths are no longer knowledgeable or interested in the cultural genre. A cross-section of interviewees gave their views on this cultural turnaround.

Bukunmi Ogunsola, a 400 level Linguistics student at the University of Ibadan said the fate which had befallen the oriki in recent times was traceable to two factors. “First, parents don’t teach it to their children because they want to break their link with their extended family. Secondly, even those who know the oriki don’t recite them because they don’t want to be seen among their peers as being local or rustic. However, oriki can be relevant during inter-tribal crisis when knowledge of them could save or kill.’’

Mrs Omofolake Owabiire, a business executive, however gave the religious dimension to the question. To her, what should be uppermost in everyone’s minds is the coming of the Lord Jesus, and not oriki.“ In the olden days, our parents gave us oriki.

But when we started bearing children, we realised that oriki really amounted to nothing. I know one Alake; she is a very dirty woman. So my children asked, ‘what’s the meaning of Alake?’ The world is now sophisticated, and the coming of Jesus Christ ought to be in our minds.”

She pointed out that in the past, some rulers were so inspired by oriki that they shot the singer, “when their head swelled up. Oriki is a satanic thing; why should we praise ourselves rather than God?”

However, to Olatundun, a Mass Communications student, “oriki is important because it takes us back to our culture and makes us remember the child of whom we are.’’

http://www.tribune.com.ng/index.php/features/13508-yoruba-oriki-a-dying-cultural-genre

Smart move. Watch manufacturing and business boom in that area now. Lack of consistent power supply has been one of the root causea of a lot economic woes in Nigeria for a long time now.

Even the Islamic nations do not like Iran.

Not the people of those nations. Just the despots maintained by American military might. Like the Saudi "royal" (my foot!) family of King Fahd who are hated by most Saudis. Anyway, I hope WikiLeaks comes back stronger than ever.

Sagamite:
It is just ridiculous that some senior judge (not even the most senior) can earn more than double what the most senior medical officer makes.

I do hope the doctors demands are met and they continue to serve the public that needs them desperately.  But while comparing their circumstance to the judiciary, bear in mind that we're talking about Nigeria here.  Being in the judiciary or any kind of public service or law enforcement position carries a higher risk than being a physician. 

There is greater threat to the safety of a high court judge than that of the chief surgeon at LUTH, for example.  I have family in the judiciary, let me tell you, it is no joke.  Consider this: if you are a judge who is known for never taking bribes, people think of other ways to get to you - some foolish ones think putting some powder in your chair, which some charlatan told them is juju, will harm you.  Other desperate souls will resort to actual threats on your person.  It is a profession that carries more risk and I can understand why a Judge's monetary compensation would be greater than that of a doctor in Nigeria.

Salaam,
I'm glad someone questioned this 12th Imam assertion.  I was reading the thread and felt totally behind in my Islamic education.  It scared me for a minute because I never heard it amongst Sunnis that we're waiting for a 12th Imam, even though I know some non-Sunnis subscribe to that.
Whew! Relief.