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[quote author=Abiyamọ]Tuaregs, just a little over one million. And are limited to small portions in Libya, Tunisia and Algeria.
Maasai: Who knows them outside Kenya and some parts of Tanzania? Well-known and good for tourist heritage but influential? I doubt that very much.
Nubians: Yes, quite prominent but restricted to Sudan and Egypt. I am not doubting their contributions but impact surely not as widespread as the Fulanis.
Binis: Yeah, very influential in Edo State.
Oromos: Another great ethnic group but limited to Ethiopia, Sudan and Kenya mainly.
Amharas: Still restricted to Ethiopia.
Shona: Apart from Zimbabwe and parts of Mozambique, Shonas are not that prominent.
Zulu: We all know that this great people are restricted mainly to ONE province in South Africa, KwaZulu Natal. Wonderful people but you will still not compare their influence with the political and economic authority wielded by the Fulanis.
Mande: A good rival.
Ethnic Somalis: The name says it all.
Mandinka: Still part of Mande. You've mentioned that before.
Akan: Ghana and Ivory Coast, that's all.
Hausa: Yes, the closest rival but were they not defeated by the Fulanis?
Kanuri: Mba. Just compare the status today in Nigeria between the Sultan of Sokoto and the Shehu of Borno. The difference is clear.
Dahomey: Stop joor...lol!
Bakongo: Hmmm, yeah but still not very much known outside DRC and some parts of Angola.
Igbos: Yes, wonderful people but still restricted to a part of Nigeria.
Bandundu: That's a tiny tribe in one province of the DRC.

No doubt, you have listed out great tribes and ethnic groups but my basis for classifying Fulanis as the most influential is not hinged upon the fact that I want to get married to one of them...lol! It is strictly based on the degree and level of political, religious, social and economic influence that they wield. (How they got that influence is another topic entirely.) That necessitated listing out some of the most prominent Fulanis. Of all the tribes you have listed out, very few, if any, have risen to become the leaders of their nations, not to talk of other countries in the surrounding regions. Another factor that is considered is the sheer distribution (geographical spread) in about 22 countries out of about 57 or so nations in Africa. That is close to half of the continent. I rest my case.[/quote]OP, you are right about the Fula people.

Though, in terms of cultural influence of a Black African tribe, the Yorubas come to mind, as one African group whose language, traditions and religion span several continents.

But politically, the Fulanis are the only group that have translated their influence into real political power over SEVERAL (African) countries. Doing this, often despite their minority population and contrary to their origin as nomadic people.

shymexx: How's the comparison with Romans and Greeks invalid? Isn't Egypt on the African continent? And were those two other civilisations in the Mediterranean and far from proper Europe? So why is Europe hell-bent on claiming them, yet we can't claim Egypt?

Well, it's well established that most Nigerian tribes that aren't proto-bantu migrated from the North East.

Like I said, I know a lot of people with concurring Egyptian/Middle Eastern origin theories of Yorubas and Africans in general. So, uh-hum! I no want wahala sha. I won't say, no, its not possible.

What do you think is the connection between Egyptian religious artifacts and Yoruba/Benin religious and royal artwork? What is the correlation? Did ancient West Africans pass it on northwards? Did 1st-4th century Egyptians teach Yorubas the style, did some West Africans bring it with them if truly they migrated from Egypt, etc? I'm sure you've seen the similarity - the looted Bini pieces, the terra cotta Egyptian style and the Yoruba bust in my profile from the 5th-8th century.

Desola: I read a comment in which you considered the action of a woman as justified based on the nature of Lagos being the formal capital. Given that this is the popular sing-song of the ibos on this forum, I thought I may have misjudged you as being a citizen of Lagos.

Noblesse Oblige tinz. I can't help it.

ezeagu: The Romans and Greeks have influenced the whole of Europe directly (Greeks literally defined and named Europe), while the Egyptians have never.

Wow! On the contrary, I believe the primacy of Egyptian civilisation over the Greeks is beyond question. Even college freshmen learn that, at the minimum, the Greeks borrowed a lot from Egypt. And these are facts stipulated by Oyinbos who still want us all to believe that "Western Civilisation" is all there is. Studying in an all-white university, we were all required to take Western Civ I & II, where they proceeded to laud it over us on how great the Europeans are, despite the fact that they're not all in the west geographically. Western by association, you know. But they still had to concede that Egypt was a precursor to the advancement of Greece.

About the Nok, I believe they were in what is now considered northern Nigeria.

Desola: Excuse me, are you not ibo?

Rossikk: Sorry, we don't need your ''opinion''. What we need are your researched FACTS. What and what have your READ and STUDIED in this field in order to know the race of the Ancient Egyptians? Pagan has read NOTHING on the subject. He doesn't even know what Tomb Art of Egypt means. He thinks it's the 'coffin' he saw in the British museum. He's read Nigerian authors like Kenneth Dike and Biobaku who never ventured beyond 17th century Nigeria in their 'history' books. He's not read Diop, Chancellor Williams, Lucas, Davidson, Bernal etc. Neither have you, apparently. If you cannot point to any STUDYING of the topic then you have no basis to say what you think ''makes sense'' or doesn't ''make sense''. You must READ and RESEARCH to form an 'opinion'.

Explain the testimony of the ancients visitors to Egypt. Why do they ALL refer to the ancient Egyptians as black-skinned with kinky hair, ''like the Ethiopians''? Aristotle, Herodotus, Diodorus. These are heroes of ancient literature. You're saying they were all lying? Why does the old testament refer to ancient Egypt as the ''land of Ham''? Do you know Ham was the founder of the black races? How can you have an ancient black race of people in Africa and you say your ''opinion'' is that they were white or yellow? You cannot invent your own history. What is your opinion based on?

Neither can you have us posting images of CLEARLY NEGROID EGYPTIANS, and you turn around and say your opinion is what? So the images are fake? Or I painted them myself? What's next? I post an image of your black mother and you say your ''opinion'' is she is not black but white or yellow? You're free to hold any mad 'opinion' in contrast with reality, but just tell us your RESEARCH or keep mum. We want to know what you have studied and researched, or kindly stay OUT of the debate.

You're well intentioned, but you lose your rag a little too quickly for a self-identified "researcher" engaged in a dispassionate scholarly debate.

[quote author=isale_gan2]https://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2013/05/25/sports/soccer/25iht-soccer25/25iht-soccer25-articleLarge.jpg
Franck Ribery, center, celebrating with his Bayern teammates last week. After months of sustained omnipotence, Munich is the favorite to win the Champions League final. [/quote]After looking at this picture, a joke about that "pig-mounter" Schweinsteiger trying to mount pig-looking people comes to mind.

Iaz93: LMAOO. This Afam's hatred for EPL is going out of control.

I don't hate the EPL, but. . .

You know if it wasn't for the popularity of the English language, the English Premier League wouldn't even enjoy half the attention and support it gets. Their proponents can thank the old British empire for that legacy. Skill for skill, many leagues, including, the Mexican Liga, are way better than the English one. Even former player/manager and current commentator Ron Hudson describes that league as them bumping and clashing into each other. Other than Arsenal, there aren't any team there that gets commendation for playing real football.

Sorry o, it had to be said, English fans.

I respect Rossike for being a patriotic Nigerian and a Pan-Africanist, but in this debate, Pagan makes more sense. I know many who hold this Egyptian/Black view, but I am not convinced - no offense.
BTW, is Rossike's stance similar to Morpheus' view? Or do Morpheus' posts usually deal with racial classifications without any commentary about sub-Saharan peoples' transplant from North Africa?

porka: There was doubt that they met a system.

That the systems were with morals is debatable.

There were indiscriminate killings of human beings to appease the so-called gods.

There were rampant snatching of other people's property and wives also.

These are not moral systems in any way.

Very sick and disgusting comment. If you're African at all, go and say the bolded to anyone in your family, if you dare.

For your own peace of mind, please do not have Black or half-Black children. Do like Michael Jackson and get white sperm and egg together or simply adopt any other race of children but Black.

Global Soccer
Champions League Final Does Not Mark Start of a German Era
By ROB HUGHES
Published: May 24, 2013
New York Times

https://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2013/05/25/sports/soccer/25iht-soccer25/25iht-soccer25-articleLarge.jpg
Franck Ribery, center, celebrating with his Bayern teammates last week. After months of sustained omnipotence, Munich is the favorite to win the Champions League final.

LONDON — Germany’s strength is all around us. Whether Bayern Munich or Borussia Dortmund prevails on English soil this Saturday evening, no one can deny that the Bundesliga has outplayed the rest of Europe this season.

Seeing the order, the speed, the virility with which both play, it is hard to feel that either would not make a true champion of the Continent. Maybe sentiment is tilted toward the Dortmunders, if only because it might spike the hubris of Bayern’s booking the Great Room of the Grosvenor House Hotel for a celebration with 1,800 guests through Saturday night and Sunday morning.

Munich likes to party, though a week ago its coach, Jupp Heynckes, kept a more intimate rein on his players. He ended the season — and his own 50-year Bundesliga career as a player and trainer — with a “family” gathering with the players at his farmhouse near Gladbach.

Heynckes, 68, could leave Munich with a full house of trophies from the Bundelsiga, the Champions League and, next week, the German Cup final against Stuttgart in Berlin.

His successor, Pep Guardiola of Barcelona, has already started spending Bayern’s incomparable budget. If Guardiola can change anything in a team that has laid waste to virtually every opponent this season, always scoring and barely conceding, it will be in the department of creativity on the field.

To that end, Bayern is paying the €37 million, or $48 million, it took to activate a buyout clause in the contract of Dortmund’s most gifted homegrown player, Mario Götze. As fate would have it, Götze, who is now 20 but was raised by Borussia from the age of 8, cannot play at Wembley Stadium because of a thigh injury.

But this move, and the possibility that Munich could outbid Manchester United and Real Madrid to lure away Dortmund’s Polish striker Robert Lewandowski, does show that market forces and financial wealth are as persuasive in Germany as anywhere else.

That needs saying because there is a bandwagon rolling to sell the charms of the Bundesliga against the other powers in Europe right now. The English league, they say, is run by the money of sheiks and oligarchs and rich Americans. Spain has a league of two, Barça and Real, built on their monopoly of television income.

Those are facts. The Bundesliga, more closely bounded by financial compliance and built at least in part by supporter ownership, is arguably the most sustainable league in the world. Saturday night in London will most likely also show that it has plenty of young, dynamic players capable of pushing the national team toward the final places at the World Cup.

Yet it seems premature to declare Germany right now as the role model for the sport’s future.

Even if both of these finalists are built around German strength and reliability, the attacks are led by Mario Mandzukic, a Croatian, and Lewandowski, a Pole.

The midfield of Munich is powered by a combination of Bastian Schweinsteiger and the Spaniard Javi Martínez, and the wings belong to two wonderfully engaging characters, Arjen Robben from the Netherlands and Franck Ribéry of France.

What is true is that Munich blends the imports with its own youth products, none better than the stealth raider, Thomas Müller.

Dortmund does the same, on a lesser budget. Ever since it borrowed €2 million from Bayern to prevent its financial collapse in 2005 (and paid it back in good time) Dortmund has run one of the best youth policies in the country. Götze is a product of it, but Dortmund has also bought well. The best of those, Marco Reus, was purchased from Borussia Mönchengladbach, and his ability to move from midfield and strike goals is equivalent to Müller’s for Bayern.

So, unquestionably, Germany has done marvelous things since it looked hard at itself after an embarrassing failure at the Euro 2000 tournament. Its youth regeneration, its financial constraints, its huge audiences and its rules on financial accountability are rightly being trumpeted this weekend.

But still, it is presumptuous to call this the start of a new era of German domination.

It is the fourth time in the Champions League era that one nation has supplied both sides at the final. In 2000, Real Madrid beat Valencia in Paris. In 2003, Milan defeated Juventus on penalty kicks after a goalless 120 minutes at Old Trafford in Manchester. And in 2008, Manchester United beat Chelsea, also on penalty kicks, in Moscow.

None of those led to dynastic periods of one-country rule. Barcelona’s play, in unison with the Spanish national side, has been hypnotic to behold, and injuries including to Lionel Messi certainly weakened it against Munich.

But there is an abiding reason why Germany has arrived at this point: the teams’ response to pain. Anybody in Bayern’s camp speaks of losing the Champions League final in 2010 to Inter Milan, and last year to Chelsea.

The moment this season began, Heynckes used that losing feeling to goad his men. Every player — notably Ribéry and Robben — was made to realize that defense starts with the forwards and that by working back to support their colleagues and sprinting forward with license to show their skills, they are winners.

Dortmund is drilled according to similar notions, and has been since Jürgen Klopp became its trainer four years ago. In front of the cameras, Klopp is a joker, a commentator, a rent-a-quote personality. Watch his team run, and the sheer effort and determination stand out.

Weave that into your mind, and the picture presented by Kicker magazine after the semifinals sums it up: Its cover had the Champions trophy on the national flag and the words: Made in Germany.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/25/sports/soccer/25iht-soccer25.html?hp&_r=0

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]All Yorubas who wish to reconvert to Ifa-Orisha Religion: https://www.nairaland.com/1197881/yoruba-religious-rennaisance-babalawo-olowoyo[/quote][quote author=PAGAN 9JA]. . . Yorubas are the only tribe here in Nigeria with the greatest Traditionalist population and they have preserved most of the knowledge. This has given them worldwide acclaim.[/quote]Very true. Especially of Brazilians and Latin Americans in general. For example, there are tons of videos on you-tube showing descendants of Yorubas all over the world attempting to keep the traditions alive. I was even doing a totally unrelated search, and found this:

"Aguanile is a Yoruba word (A language from west africa). In salsa it stems from the Afro-Cuban religion called Santería. You hear it (and other santería phrases) a lot in Cuban salsa. Most often you hear the full phrase "Aguanile mai mai" and it is part of the toque for the saint (orisha) Oggun."
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070815082845AApXq0V
and
http://www.nigeriavillagesquare.com/forum/lounge/36941-aguanile.html

A notorious poster whose legend is so strong that mere whispering of his name could render ones tongue and typing fingers crippled and consign one to a life of penury.

PhysicsQED: They could be Hausas or they could be Yorubas from the Lagos colony. Both were used in the invasion.

Those guys are NOT Yorubas! PhysicsPHD/QED/NFT/OPP, my Bini hubby, please don't look for my trouble.

The English bastards were cunning enough to use their conscripted forces from outside the Nigerian area.

[img]http://revealinghistories.org.uk/inc/img.php/tpl/uploads/images/galleries/403/kingofbenin1.jpg/371/1/fill[/img]
http://revealinghistories.org.uk/legacies-commemorating-the-bicentenary-of-british-abolition/objects/ovonramwen-oba-of-benin.html

Maxymilliano: Micheal? These killers, do they know the meaning of Micheal?

wonlasewonimi: [size=14pt]Angel that use swords.[/size]

You, sir, are a legend.

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]LOOK @ THIS MAN! KUDOS TO YOU BRO! SEE NAIRALANDERS?!!


your version of our history is not distorted because you read works done by AFRICAN authors. not akatas and oyinbos. THe GOds bless you my bro. You are on the right track. [/quote]dude! i like you. but i've never met an african named "cohen." that "webster" sounds equally suspect, but unfortunately some of our people do have those slave names still.

btw, some akatas aren't so bad. some, no less than the percentage of nigerians (shame!), are very interested in our/their heritage and its survival.

Ola Johnson: Ade Obayemi, J. F. A. Ajayi, A. I. Akinjogbin, A. E. Afigbo, Jamil M. Abun-Nasr, Murray Last, R. A. Adeleye, Adu Boahen, B. O. Oloruntimehin, J. E. Flint, Michael Crowder, J. B. Wester, R. Cohen, E. J. Alagoa, A. F. C. Ryder, E. A. Ayandele, Sa'ad Abubakar, S. A. Balogun, Obaro Ikime, K. O. Dike, Saburi Biobaku, S. A. Akintoye, Tekena Tamuno, A. I. Asiwaju, Segun Osoba, A. Fajana, G. O. Olusanya, Robert Smith, and so on.

Tolexander: that is Ife dialect for you [size=16pt]éése[/size]

murimoney: and billions of dollars will b spent!

billions?

of dollars?

really? spent on what?

then why'd you remove your posts?

i used to be asked that by someone here. . . actually, you remind me of him. hmmm.

shymexx: Why did you say that?

No biggie. Just a reaction to something you posted. I think the revelatory nature. . .

Afam4eva: You just did.

He's talking about starting a thread.

There is way too much ignorance on Nairaland, especially lately. Threads like this should not be put on home page so quickly - look at all the stupidity. Hope the admin and mods are happy sha.

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]^^^^^^^^^haha I love this video, especially the cute girl introducing hersef @ the end! [/quote]this is good too. more sango/bata dancing. 2:05-2:45 awesome!
i think there's some ogun praises after that too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw-tHBLMr4U

9jadelta: i dnt know much abt yoruba history, am only refering to africans generally. The fact that we allow ourselves to be captured and sold into slavery. Imagine, no country in west africa refused to be colonized or continue their way of life while they learn one or two things from the whites like china and some asian countries. By the way the crimials sold by the yorubas were also blacks which doesnt make any difference

No African fought slavery and colonisation? What do you think happened to this Benin king when he fought?

[img]http://revealinghistories.org.uk/inc/img.php/tpl/uploads/images/galleries/403/kingofbenin1.jpg/371/1/fill[/img]
http://revealinghistories.org.uk/legacies-commemorating-the-bicentenary-of-british-abolition/objects/ovonramwen-oba-of-benin.html

Every African tribe fought invasion and imperialism! Igbos fought. Yorubas fought. Asante people of Ghana fought. Berbers in North Africa fought. Tribes in Algeria fought the French. Everyone fought!!!11

I remember seeing a documentary about the white woman priestess on Naija TV way back - almost a lifetime ago - and she was already old then. I was surprised to see she is still going strong. Good for her! The gods keeping her. . . (edit - she died in 2009.)

Ajanaku2,
Is Ajanuku sometimes another alias for Ogun? I was doing a quick check to confirm and found this. Interesting:
http://humanessentials..com/2005/09/sentimental-journey-into-my-past.html

I like the oriki of Ogun you posted. I know there are lots more, but here's a short one I pulled from a Yoruba song I transcribed.
Awo ogunkorobiti korobiti
Ogun korobiti korobiti
Meta logun meta nire
Ogun onile wa majaja
Ogun onile ajeje eyan
Ogun olegagbana agegi non mu

My favourite orisa is Sango. I also like Ibeji, and Osun. Olokun one I want to read about a little bit.

Check out Sango's dance moves from :30-1:14

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCv03EolhMQ&feature=endscreen&NR=1

GenBuhari,
howdy, bros?

GenBuhari: God bless Buhari

I have never heard of a Nigerian leader with so much wide-ranging support as Buhari. I know of people that can't stand the sight of each other - can't even stand to hear the name of one another, and they all love Buhari, and would still support him if he ran again. There are posters on this site who fight like cats and dogs, that would vomit if they knew their nemesis also supports Buhari.

Good guy. I miss Idiagbon most. That one na my own.

Interesting Shymexx.

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]MINE TOO! I am Hausa and I have my own Gods, but on one of my examination day, a Babalawo friend of mine gave me a concotion recipe and he too made the same in his place. Then on the said exam day, we both drank it at the same time. (I was abroad @ that time). Before drinking it , we prayed to Orunmilla over the concoction. And then my exams went very well, even though I had studied the day before.[/quote]

Thought this was going a completely different way. You already studied nau.

I once took a final exam in secondary schl where this boy that liked me from afar classmate of mine decided to give me us the questions. I didn't believe him of course, cos I'd never seen exam questions before, and anyway, he wasn't even taking that course or the exam. There had always been rumour that some assistants in the registrar's office used to sell it to the bad boys, I guess. After we sat the exam and a girl that never liked me found that the exam question was word for word, she wanted to be my best friend. Huh, sorry, I'm not a cheater, it was a surprise to me too. why not go be friends with that boy that gave me the questions - just bypass the middleman go straight to the source! Last year, she sent me a facebook request. I quickly killed facebook. Never liked FB and never liked her.