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Sal C: Lol Obadiah and his friends aren't you guys derailing this thread already?

A moderator who happily breaks the rules he should uphold...

...and people wonder why our country is in a mess.

[quote author=amara.lizzy%40y]follow the bible and not your believe.[/quote]Have you read the Bible portions Syncan gave above?

Or do you just feel like talking nonsense as usual?

thorpido: If you read english well,you wouldn't have to write this.'Saints are like angels' does not mean they are angels!Chimpanzees are like humans does not mean they are humans!

You're the one who is confused here.

Like i said,since you have resulted into insults i won't go on with you.Insults are for kids.I ain't one.

I'm outta 'ere.Unfollows thread.

I said it SEEMS you are confused.

You say I AM confused.

Then you accuse me of being the kid by insulting you.

My friend, I think "confused" doesn't even adequately describe your state.

thorpido: I won't bother arguing with you since you have resulted to insults.
There are a lot of kids on this forum and i guess you are one of them.Insults are for kids.

You said Jesus' parable.Do you know the meaning of a parable?

Dear Adult, I cant remember insulting you.

I know the meaning of "parable."

Do you know who told the parable?

vickyO: How are you so sure she's in Heaven? Has your pope been there? We are to intercede as believers (not only pastors) for believers like us and unbelievers. And the bible doesn't tell us to ask the dead for help in anyway. better stick to what the Bible says than some far fetched doctrines that have no biblical backing.

One of the reasons we are sure is that we know that the Mother of God is not in hell.

Is she in hell?

vickyO: When you die in Christ, you resurrect and all you do in heaven is give praise to God not busying yourself interceding for humans. The same Jesus is the mediator between God and man, not the saints or even the Blessed Mary.

You dont seem to comprehend that if I pray for you, I am mediating between God and man.

It's too difficult for you to understand, right?

@JMAN05,

You are telling me to go back to a discussion. What purpose will it serve when you'll keep evading the truth and filling everywhere with lies and untruths.

Imagine you saying that every position that has not been disproved is the truth.

Which sane person should be discussing with an oorganism that says so just to avoid truth?

JMAN05: ITALO you are not a kid for you to be insisting on what is so simply.

the first bold. who told you that the greek word that appeared there is latria?

second bold. who told you that another form of the greek appeared in revelation? this revelation is talking about obeisance as i have told you the reason why we cant select worship as the meaning.

This is not the discussion i told you to return to. scroll up and start responding to those posts you ignored.

You are just beating around the bush. Okay let me not make any distinction and leave it as the Bible has it.


Yes.

Hishtacavah means worship, but not worship alone.

Proskuneo means worship, but not worship alone.

Worship means honour of God, but not honour of God alone.

Christian worship means honour of God but not honour of God alone.

I believe Luke 4:8. Worship is for God alone.

But why do you disbelieve Rev 3:9 where God says he will make men worship faithful men?

Why are you against the words of God and the encyclopedia?

Pastor Olu T: That's why why I did not misquote, the answer remain NO according to the scriptures.

But be fast and make ur point on time sire!

[quote author=amara.lizzy%40y]1.no 2.no, den is dere purgatory or nt[/quote]Okay.

Matt. 12:32 - And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come.

That verse clearly shows that there are some other sins that can be forgiven in the world to come.

You said no forgivess in heaven or hell, so where in the world to come are sins forgiven?

1 Cor 3:15 - If any man's work burn, he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire.

Where is this that people suffer loss and are saved as by fire?

[quote author=amara.lizzy%40y]stop askin yeye questn, if ur sins are nt forgiven on earth it can't be forgiven in heaven or hell. or u want to indirectly tel m it can be 4given in purgatory.[/quote]Why are you calling my question "yeye" question and getting uncomfortable when I haven't even said whether there's purgatory or not?

The way you're already spitting fire over nothing, are you sure you are here to know the truth...or are you just here to argue and curse?

You have answered that there's no forgiveness in heaven or hell. Thank you.

Would you mind answering the other two, my sweetheart?


1. Does anyone suffer loss or pass through fire in heaven?

2. Is anyone saved in hell?

Pastor Olu T: There is nothing like purgatory as far as the bible goes, bt u can prove ur point if want n I will be here to go through the motion with u.

Would you mind answering those three questions sir?

I haven't even said that there is purgatory yet...

Alfa Seltzer: Willingly? Willingly? Keep deceiving yourselves. How can an indoctrinated robot act willingly?

The same way you confess to yourself willingly even though you were indoctrinated to believe in yourself as your own God.

Boomark: He made a good point. You willingly confess to yourself likewise those who confess to Christ willingly. Nobody is tying rope on any bodies neck to do what he did not accept to do.

Italo don't mind this Alfa. if troubles too much, i will kick him with over size shoe out of love.

No need to kick him. He kicks himself spiritually constantly.

Hail Mary, full of Grace

The Lord is with you

Blessed are you among women

And blessed is the fruit of your womb, Jesus

Holy Mary, mother of God

Pray for us sinners

Now and at the hour of our death.

Amen.

Alfa Seltzer: bad point.

Your point is also bad to 1.2 billion of us.

Alfa Seltzer: Are you confessing to the dead jew or to a pedo priest?

How does that concern you?

My point is if confession is bondage, you're in bondage too.

The same way you think confession to Christ is bondage. Confession to yourself is bondage too.

Why confess? What do you confess?

Living in bondage!

Alfa Seltzer: Maybe he had this
https://www.babyhearing.org/images/HearingAmp/Choices/hearing_aid.jpg

@ thorpido, did he have that?

Alfa Seltzer: To myself.

"Living in bondage" still.

thorpido: No she is not.she cannot even hear the prayers people offer to her.She is not in such a position.
Jesus said when people die,they become like(not that they are)angels in heaven(Matt.22:30)
Only God and angels can hear prayers with the angels carrying out instructions.
No dead man or woman is in a position to hear prayers.

Jesus is the only mediator between God and man(1 Timothy 2:5).

You admit that Saints are like Angels.

You say that Angels can hear prayers.

You say that Saints cannot hear prayers.

It seems that you are confused.

In Jesus' parable, the rich man was in hades and Abraham was in heaven. How did Abraham hear his prayer to him?

thorpido: [url][/url]Mary and the saints(saints are those who have died and those of us in Christ who are here on the earth) are like Jesus.

1st John is not talking about you. It calls you Children of God. It is talking about those to whom God has been revealed. They see him as he is. THEY are like him.

thorpido: Mary however does not have the authority of Jesus and cannot play His role.The only mediator for man on the earth is Jesus Christ.

Amen! Amen! We Catholics agree with this.

There is only one mediator between man and God, we are all mediators (not just Mary) for our fellow man when we pray for them or intercede for them as the Bible commands.

^^^Peace to you, bro, and thanks.

Glory be to God.

Alfa Seltzer: myself

So you confess after all.

"Living in bondage!"

"Be sure that you first preach by the way you live. If you do not, people will notice that you say one thing, but live otherwise, and your words will bring only cynical laughter and a derisive shake of the head."--St. Charles Borromeo.

Today is his memorial.

1 John 3:2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.

We believe that Mary and the Saints are like him for they now see Him as He is.

Amen amen!

[quote author=amara.lizzy%40y]yes i need more options[/quote]You will see more options if you can answer these questions honestly and clearly.

1. Does anyone suffer loss or pass through fire in heaven?

2. Is anyone saved in hell?

3. Are sins forgiven in heaven or hell?

JMAN05: Why do u like jumping up when you have no strong point?

Answer, that something can be wrong, does it mean that that thing is inevitably wrong?

As far as my position has not been proven wrong, it is correct. habah!!!!!!

You will have to prove from the bible that the position is wrong, before you accept that your unscriptural position is true.

You are the one that cant think up. this is easy to understand.

For eg, you cant just come up to say that no one created the earth when the bible said that God did. and you expect me to believe you cos my interpretation could be wrong. You have to show me from the bible how my interpretation is wrong before i believe you, after all your own unscriptural position is also fallible. and your own interpretation of the bible could be wrong too. habah! little things, your brain cant understand.

Prove is the word.

I am disappointed in you as a human being first, then as a Christian.

Look at the bold and evaluate yourself.

You are saying that your position is definitely TRUE if it hasn't been proven false.

So if a man holds an erroneous position and no one bothers or is competent enough to prove him wrong, his position would be TRUTH?

Is this the kind of human being I have been talking with?

JMAN05: And each of the places you claim to show me, I have equally showed you that those hebrew/greek words doesnt have one meaning, namely, worship. and that luke 4:8 helps us alot as it says that worship belongs only to God. Why then did you leave my replies and still claim you are right? is that how to prove your point?

I never said that they (greek/hebrew words) are not applied to humans, did I?

Can you now go back to our discussion and tell me how those things you said support you claim?

Yes.

Hishtacavah means worship, but not worship alone.

Proskuneo means worship, but not worship alone.

Worship means honour of God, but not honour of God alone.

Christian worship means honour of God but not honour of God alone.

I believe Luke 4:8. Worship (latria) is for God alone.

But why do you disbelieve Rev 3:9 where God says he will make men worship (another form) faithful men?

Why are you against the words of God and the encyclopedia?

JMAN05: We are, including you and the Pope.

Your question, if i am correct, is about interpretation, not about me as a person. shey?

I agreed that my interpretation could be wrong, but until you prove it wrong. Will i just believe that what can be wrong is already wrong? To me, it is correct, until proven wrong.

If you agree that your interpretation could be wrong. Then when I said "But anything that contradicts YOUR PERSONAL FALLIBLE INTERPRETATION of the Bible is not necessarily false." I was right. True or false?

See what I mean? See how long it takes and how hard it is to have your answer the simplest question?

...yet you talk about sincerity.

Syncan: Hello brethren, hope you all woke up fine. @ Sal C, Hope you're getting stronger. @ Italo, I believe the event went well. @ Mr. Aladin, a pleasant morning to you, your piece are always nice. @ Woky, the excitement from hurricanechris testimony... no be small thing. @ babestell, how was the mass yesterday, no harvest this time I hope. @ damerry, how your end? @ Ube, a blessed day to you I pray. @ Rich, strikt, Missionas, et al, may your day be fulfilled in the Lord. Amen.

*feeling great this morning*

Glory to Jesus! Honor to Mary!

Morning bro.

It's been a spiritually enriching weekend. All Saints & All Souls Days, having the Archbishop with us for the weekend, witnessing the joy and fulfilment of those brothers and sisters, young and old as they received the empowerment of the Holy Spirit in a special way...amazing!

God be praised!