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adsonstone: The christian church started (in Jerusalem), in the same year Jesus said He'll build his church, 33ce, thats right.

Jesus' Church founded by Jesus in 33...

...While Kumuyi founded his own "church" in 1973.

You belong to the "church" Kumuyi founded, not necessarily the one Jesus founded.

Now you claim to be infallible and hold Deeper Life Bible Church to be infallible.

Let me give you another fact.

You and Kumuyi's "church" do not agree on what the Bible is.

Reason:

You say that "the Bible was compiled in the 4th century by the Church in Rome (probably Catholic)."

That Bible consists of 73 books.

Kumuyi says the Bible consists of 66 books.

If you and Kumuyi cannot even agree on what the Bible is, you both should not be taken seriously. One or both of you is/are, to put it mildly a clown/clowns.

Ukuts gp: i thought u will even thank me for fighting against d false doctrines that d catholic peddles and u ar here speaking otherwise.

When did God make you an authority to teach the world what is true or false doctrine?

JMAN05: Jesus was stating what will dominate the type of worship at that time. true, those in the past served God from the heart and there service was spirited and God's spirit was with them, but their worship was done thru an aid which lay at the temple in Jerusalem. If you do not worship there, you ve not started. the ark represented God's presence on earth. When the ark wasnt there of course you know how despirate the jews became to get it back.

Now the new covenant doesnt require an aid to worship God, as such not limited to a location, only your heart and the truth found in God's word as well as God's spirit are needed. our high priest and the figurative Most Holy is in heaven.

An ark or a location doesnt offer greater advantage in this type of worship. wether in ur house, on the road, in a building etc, you can offer a worship acceptable to God. No aid is needed. the apostles provide a good eg of this type of worship.

You refused to answer the question: did Moses and Joshua worship God in truth and in Spirit. Yes or no?

JMAN05: Prostrating to those things were an aid to ask God for something. it offered a greater advantage cos it was like being in God's face. If God never gave any instruction to construct this thing as an aid, and you went headlong to construct it and bow to it as an aid to ask something from God, wether you call it upon God's name or not, God disapproves it. remember the Golden Calf?

Molding image is one thing, using it for worship is another. If you want to use the Mosaic law, good! use the aid, the ark. it offers greater advantage cos God sanctioned it. Even if you were in the Mosaic law, it will be wrong to mold another aid apart from the one God has provided. That would be idolatry. So for those under the law, use ark as an aid. none of the jews molded Moses as an aid when he died nor any of the faithful men in the past. nor do we see people asking them to pray for the living.

the apostles never asked intecession from the dead neither have i read they used an aid.

Again, you deliberately side-stepped the question: where did God tell you that he abolished the use of images?

JMAN05: oga, we are discussing the first meaning of worship. which I believe you know. I dont think you will be arguing with anybody if you had other meaning in mind.

Who told you that. The article clearly indicates different kinds of worship, yet you insist it is the first meaning alone that is being discussed.

JMAN05: Lets see how you guys define what you give to saints(xtian worship):

"When worship is addressed only indirectly to God, that
is, when its object is the veneration of martyrs, of
angels, or of saints, it is a subordinate worship
dependent on the first, and relative, in so far as it
honours the creatures of God for their peculiar relations
with Him; it is designated by theologians as the worship
of dulia , a term denoting servitude, and implying, when
used to signify our worship of distinguished servants of
God, that their service to Him is their title to our
veneration. "

From the definition.

Catholic serve/worship other persons who they consider as doing alot in God's service, but that they consider that worship as subordinate to God's. Am I right?

From the definition, protestants too. When you obey your pastor or GO and put yourself in his service/worship, you venerate and honour him, you're engaging in DULIA.

JMAN05: If am correct, do you have any scriptural back up to support this subordinate worship?

Do I really have to prove to you the angels and saints were venerated and honoured?

Were Abraham, Isaac and Jacob not venerated and honoured? Was Moses not obeyed and served?

nwuyag: no god has a place/position/job in my life right now. I don't believe in those hell heaven stories, infact the bible. I have always said, there might be a God, but that imo cannot be the xtian one. Besides, this life is short, so hardwork all the way.
And Dude, I am definitely not going further than this. So let's end here.

Fine. It's your story. You decide if and/or when to tell it.

It's your life, you decide what to make of it.

Thanks for the little you shared.

Sal C: Ok get ready to answer tomorrow's question.

If its easy sha. You say na Primary 1 I dey. You dey Primary 6.

Lol.

Sal C: Sal C-omputer See name oo.

Yes na...

Before Syncan put "?" for question, you don answer.

woky: why is it for sale den

Why do u pple so much blv in it(apron)

U pple blv dat aprons can raise the dead, heal the sick, make the blind to see etc etc and stil, its use 4 advert.. Smh

Oh! Apron can do all these things?! So apron has taken the place of Jesus?!

IDOLATRY! IDOLATRY!!

adsonstone: I have nothing to say on this matter if you can't own up.

....and you mean I should grow up to accept a lie, right?


so, this is what you have to say on this thread thats credible and worthwhile?

By the way, I'm not denying the fact that that the Deeper Life Church started in 1973 to teach in line with the scriptures or have you seen any of its teaching contrary to the scriptures?

There are lots of them in the catholic church which I'm still going to outline and we'll disqus them (wanna see how you'll justify them)....and that's exactly why I'm on this thread.

That is fact number 1, with easily accessible and verifiable evidence.

Number 2: Jesus Church was founded in Year 33 by Jesus Christ. You deny?

[quote author=amara.lizzy%40y]@syncan, mark 16v15 said we shld go in2 d world n preach 2 every creature. So placing advert 4 pple 2 come and hear d world of God is nt bad, can u tel me dat ur church has nt shared flyers or hang sign board for advert.[/quote]That verse doesnt say you should advertise with apron.

Is that how the apostles preached?

Our Church does advertise, but it is your "church" that believes anything not in the Bible is a sin, not ours.

asco15: am sorry 4 dat. But d Lord has been beclouded by false practises and devotions in d cath ch. Tnks

How do you know he has been beclouded and is not good in Catholic Church? Are you the Lord?

[quote author=amara.lizzy%40y]you cn make jest of whatever u lyk bt dn't insult a man of God so u dn't attract d anger of God. But if u lyk u cn continue.[/quote]1. Where is the insult.

2. How do you know he is a man of God.

3. All the people you accuse of "idol cross worship," are they not men/women/children of God?

4. Do you see you frustrating it can be when people attack your faith?

Syncan: Correct with the names and the book. Yes to survive he did that, yet the main; the main, was the prayer, it did a lot of things;as attested by the angel in Chapter 12:12. Bravo bro.

Don't mind me, It was because I was rushing to beat Sal C to it this time. Little did I know that "Sal C-omputer" had answered it long before.

Syncan: Hello brethren. Today's quiz is thus: She had seven husbands, each died on their 1st night together. Where is this story found? who was she? Who finally married her? And what did he do to survive the night.

Tobit Chapter 6.

She was Sara...finally married by Tobias. To survive the night he laid the liver of the fish on the fire, and the demon fled.

asco15: am one of dem, and oh i wish italo cn cum nd taste dat d Lord is good under genuine ch outside cath

So you mean the Lord is bad in Catholic Church?

Syncan: I had left posting, but I saw this and came back briefly. Please where did the bible say we should advertise our church? I thought the Instruction of the master was "By their fruits ye shall know them" Matt 7:16. Why is the bible teaching not enough for you, why, why, why? Why make an Idol out of your apron?

Mtchew! Simple question.

In the 1st letter of Lazarus to the Chosen Nigerians.

Dont ask me chapter and verse.

hurricaneChris: Yes bro. Sometimes the thoughts of what happened and what we went tru bring goose bumps out of my body.

But in everytin I say Glory and honour belong to that God who rescues d innocent.

Brb. Need to prepare for work.

@ Sal C,



Maybe its time to indicate you're female.

Avicenna: Did you even read the OP?

Extremely shitty conclusion s/he drew up.

Excrement( like this thread) are best avoided.

God is a powerless, non existent imagination. Your God is a fool
Your God is a slowpoke
Your God does not exist.
Your God is a fool, a slowpoke and does not exist.
God.....
And so on and so forth.

Scientific research suggests that you're in psychological discomfort when you type that.

nwuyag: hey, I am not a catholic spokesman.

Okay. You're only a spokesman when you want to talk about how Catholic Church collects money during harvest. Many people are like that. They highlight "bad" and ignore "good." Fine!

Besides, from.my threads, you should know that I am no longer religious. I dont think anything you say can change that. Trust me, it will be futile. Even the priest there understands this.
Its true that religion gives an extra reason to do something, both good and bad, but still, I think for me, there should be a limit to religious practices, I don't believe the bible story. Prayer is a very pointless action, no matter the reason imo.
Also, no matter how good st jose maria was, I still see him.as a dead man who once lived and not the way catholics do. let me stop there.

You think it is futile because you think I want to revert you to the faith. Not necessarily. I want to know and understand what you believe. Who knows? If I find it true, I might be converted. Everyone one wants truth and no one likes being lied to.

If you dont mind, what do you believe (about God and human existence and purpose) and why?

nwuyag: hey, I am not a catholic spokesman.

Okay. You're only a spokesman when you want to talk about how Catholic Church collects money during harvest. Many people are like that. They highlight "bad" and ignore "good." Fine!

Besides, from.my threads, you should know that I am no longer religious. I dont think anything you say can change that. Trust me, it will be futile. Even the priest there understands this.
Its true that religion gives an extra reason to do something, both good and bad, but still, I think for me, there should be a limit to religious practices, I don't believe the bible story. Prayer is a very pointless action, no matter the reason imo.
Also, no matter how good st jose maria was, I still see him.as a dead man who once lived and not the way catholics do. let me stop there.

You think it is futile because you think I want to revert you to the faith. Not necessarily. I want to know and understand what you believe. Who knows? If I find it true, I might be converted. Everyone one wants truth and no one likes being lied to.

If you dont mind, what do you believe (about God and human existence and purpose) and why?

nwuyag: hey, I am not a catholic spokesman.

Okay. You're only a spokesman when you want to talk about how Catholic Church collects money during harvest. Many people are like that. They highlight "bad" and ignore "good." Fine!

Besides, from.my threads, you should know that I am no longer religious. I dont think anything you say can change that. Trust me, it will be futile. Even the priest there understands this.
Its true that religion gives an extra reason to do something, both good and bad, but still, I think for me, there should be a limit to religious practices, I don't believe the bible story. Prayer is a very pointless action, no matter the reason imo.
Also, no matter how good st jose maria was, I still see him.as a dead man who once lived and not the way catholics do. let me stop there.

You think it is futile because you think I want to revert you to the faith. Not necessarily. I want to know and understand what you believe. Who knows? If I find it true, I might be converted. Everyone one wants truth and no one likes being lied to.

If you dont mind, what do you believe (about God and human existence and purpose) and why?

[quote author=amara.lizzy%40y]Because you worship idol cross which u cn't deny that is why you think we worship apron. Pls we dn't worship it and we cn't do that is just for advert get that to your skul.[/quote]Because you worship apron which u cn't deny that is why you think we worship crucifix. Pls we dn't worship it and we cn't do that is just a sacramental get that to your skul.

adsonstone: you see what I'm saying? Denying the whole thing, twisting the subject matter.

Get over yourself. I said I didn't mean that literally. That's no denial.

Grow up!

adsonstone: By the way, what have you contributed or said on this thread that should be considered worthwhile?

I asked you what you were on this thread to say and your evidence for it, you couldn't say a word.

Now you want me to tell you what I'm saying that is worthwhile so that you can just reject it without proof again.

I will tell you one. With concrete verifiable irrefutable evidence that is easily accessible.

Your Deeper Life Bible Church was founded in 1973 by W. F. Kumuyi.

You deny?

JMAN05: 1. I am not God, but was I the one that wrote John 4:23?

2. we read:

John 4:23-24 KJV
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. [24] God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

From the above verse, was that form of worship before or after Joshua's time?

It was after Joshua's time. Are you then saying that Joshua, Abraham, Moses and all the Prophets didnt worship God in truth and in spirit?

Besides where does the verse say those who worship in truth and in spirit do not or should not use images to bring their minds to things of God.

JMAN05: 3. Not idolatry cos God provided it as an aid in the Mosaic law. Do you want to worship God that way? good. go back to the Mosaic law. Drop the new covenant.

So prostrating before images and praying was okay before but became idolatry from Jesus time?

Where did God or Jesus tell you that he abolished the use of images?

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]shut up.

Its not us against you, its you who are and forced us to be against you.


You baseless hyppocrites lie about us, mock us, murder our people and commit all sorts of satanic acts and then you dare to copy our religious practices!

I hate catholics.[/quote]I am proud that you hate Catholics. That is a confirmation of my faith.

Light and dark cannot mix.

JMAN05: If you worship another person while worshipping God, is it not idolatry? do the scriptures support worshipping anything wether you call it subordinate worship or not?

I see that you haven't checked all the ways the word "worship" is used in the dictionary.

If you make me post it, you'll see that you even worship your mother.

But when we say "worship," we generally mean worship due to God. We give that to no one else.

hurricaneChris: Just came bak from October devotion at St. Dominic's Cath church.

Will be bak wit d story shortly.

I have seen another fellow parishioner...

Easy to attack my faith...

Difficult to take your faith being attacked.

adsonstone: That verse is straightforward.
Examine verse 12 of that same chapter and tell me who actually preached to the gentiles.

....and consider these scriptures:
2 Timothy 4:17, 1 Timothy 2:7 and tell me if Paul was lying in those verses when He said those things.

By the way, I should even ask you, what exactly was Paul's mission?


It's high time I asked you: who exactly is the church or what makes up the church because if you know these, you won't say these things you are saying (I'm awaiting your response)

That passage, Paul went to Jerusalem and met with the church leaders....what is the reason, its simply because he wanted to be sure if his teaching corresponds with theirs.
Note: when the church had controversy over an issue, they informed the apostles. The apostles sit together to resolve the issue and gives it to the church (they guided the church and not otherwise).


Yeah, Paul was a missionary. He taught preached to people and establishes them as a church in their regions, he often writes to them or visit them to guide them.


Oga Italo, you can lie sha....
Ok, how do you want to explain this??



Hope you don't mind showing me where I claimed this?
Or will you deny it or call me a liar again?



There's my explanation, oya, refute it.

By the way, is that how you were taught to answer questions in primary school (re-posting the question) nawa for you ooo?


He gave no evidence, he only said they worked in catholic churches or they were close to popes and with that, he labeled them catholics. What I mean is he has given no valid evidence to show that these men were catholics.


No, it doesn't worry me.

We both know you didnt say Jesus danced bla bla... I didnt mean that literally.

Besides that, like I said in the last part of my post, it is clear you have nothing worthwhile to say to this thread.

Syncan: I rest my case with you dearie.

LMAO!

YEPARIPA!

Nomski0: I meant praying through it.

I was wondering if you were the same sister of mine. I can relax now.

[quote author=amara.lizzy%40y]Jesus is nt ur felow humanbeing dat pple cn bring out hs replica anyhow. Al i want u 2 knw is dat dose white pple caved ontop dat cros is nt christ n u cn't compare hm wit dat.[/quote]But the picture of your grandma is your grandma?