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Cold blooded: Some of the pictures u posted here are of the orthodox catholic. There are great disparities between Roman catholic and Orthodox catholic.

People fight d catholic church and leave the "obvious" occultic churches in our world today.Truly, there is a conspiracy against the catholic church. Hence, the saying " Pray for the Church"

It's only DEATH that will stop me from being a Roman Catholic.
Holy Mary, Pray for Us!

Ukuts gp: what is good in that?

babestell: Please brother of mine ignore this guy, he has made up his mind, nothing we say can change it. He is just looking for your mouth.

JMAN05: Italo, dont make me conclude that you are not sincere.

JMAN05: So if you commend someone, it becomes worship? I know you commend your friends, but do you mold an image and pray to them for help, singing to invoke them? be honest? we are talking of christian worship man.

JMAN05: Dictionary isnt defining xtian worship, but worship in general. If you are to define christian worship to your readers, will you include the respect you give to your president as christian worship? do you mold their image and pray to them and invoke them for help? be honest.

JMAN05: "dulia; a term denoting servitude, and implying, when
used to signify our worship of distinguished servants of
God, that their service to Him is their title to our
veneration. "

Now if this is just respect like you will give to someone in authority, will that respect lead you to mold an image and invoke him to come and help you?

JMAN05: Even if you use dictionary meaning of worship, what you give to Mary can be clasified under the first meaning of worship cos you say prayers, sing and invoke her. So the degree of respect you give to Mary can be classified under the first meaning. because you cant give even a judge that form of worship.

JMAN05: You are right, but you learned about this love in the bible not so? the bible guides us on what love is and the limit with regards to humans. Yes the bible shows us that our christian love shouldnt move us to kill in behalf of those we love. God who guides christians also tells them what to do.

JMAN05: On worship. Did the bible tell us to mold and worship inanimate things?

JMAN05: did it tell us to worship our fellow humans who have died?

JMAN05: did it tell us to use their image as an aid?

JMAN05: did it tell us to invoke the dead?

JMAN05: Since[quote author=JMAN05]the bible tells us what love is, will it not be good to allow the bible to tell us what worship is?
Didnt God say that we should worship only Him?

JMAN05: If God had said you should love only Him, will you have disobeyed and create degrees of love for yourself?

JMAN05: Hence it is Christian love and Christian worship, wouldnt it be good to allow the bible to tell us what it means? at least you didnt learn about christian love from the dictionary, did you?

JMAN05: That statement neglects my previous comment. I know you understand my point so well, but if you understand my point and pretend you dont, will it not create a bad reputation for you? I mean, some people will think that they are always correct even when you present your point cos they will believe that u dont always accept other people's point even when it is clear. and that could happen to a discussion to which you have sound prove. just an advise.

I think that my point above was very clear. I specified the "particular place" I meant, namely, Jerusalem and Jerusalem alone.

that agrees with the context;

John 4:21 KJV
"Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father."

the particular place I mean is Jerusalem.

If you just say a particular place, without being specific as I elucidated, that will be unfair cos the mountain is also a particular place.

JMAN05: Of course, when Jesus was alive, the law was still in force. it was only abolished when he died. Col. 2:14.

Colossians 2:14 KJV
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

What do you understand by this;

"By the death of Christ on the Cross
the New Covenant was sealed, and
the Old was abrogated, but until the
Gospel had been preached and duly
promulgated, out of deference to
Jewish prejudices, and out of respect
for ordinances, which after all were
Divine, those who wished to do so
were at liberty to conform to the
practices of the Mosaic Law."

www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=6921

JMAN05: That statement neglects my previous comment. I know you understand my point so well, but if you understand my point and pretend you dont, will it not create a bad reputation for you? I mean, some people will think that they are always correct even when you present your point cos they will believe that u dont always accept other people's point even when it is clear. and that could happen to a discussion to which you have sound prove. just an advise.

I think that my point above was very clear. I specified the "particular place" I meant, namely, Jerusalem and Jerusalem alone.

that agrees with the context;

John 4:21 KJV
"Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father."

the particular place I mean is Jerusalem.

If you just say a particular place, without being specific as I elucidated, that will be unfair cos the mountain is also a particular place.

JMAN05: Of course, when Jesus was alive, the law was still in force. it was only abolished when he died. Col. 2:14.

Colossians 2:14 KJV
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

What do you understand by this;

"By the death of Christ on the Cross
the New Covenant was sealed, and
the Old was abrogated, but until the
Gospel had been preached and duly
promulgated, out of deference to
Jewish prejudices, and out of respect
for ordinances, which after all were
Divine, those who wished to do so
were at liberty to conform to the
practices of the Mosaic Law."

www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=6921

Syncan: Yeah, amii, why does this feel so much like satan's response in Job 1: 6-7.

JMAN05: Ya, many sing to praise someone for what he did. I dont do so, but I commend people who do the right thing. well, that could be call a praise, however, no one will understand that to mean worship. what I heard when the singers were singing beside me was a praise but more was involved in the lyrics. it was like an invocation of mary. the song was a touching piece of music to attract her attention to answer ur prayer. I think that was an invocation sort of. this is more than a respect as u people say, it was just like somebody crying to a god to show how despirate u need there attention. no wonder ur encyclopedia calls it worship.

but if a secular singer sings a music to a dead friend, believing that that his dead friend will assist him in a despirate situation, even molden an image and praying in front of that image when the need arise, what do you think? cant we call that one worship?

JMAN05: Not at all. I like to learn new things and that has increased the knowledge i have especially in spiritual matters.

What I am saying is that what we are discussing is different from evolution of the word worship. I want to prove to you that you guys worship saints, even images of them. I brought out how your encyclopedia defined xtian worship. which from the look of things, it never denied it.

If what your encyclopedia means is just respect as you giv to a judge (which is doubtful), then it shouldnt classify what you give to dead saints under christian worship. If they mean just respect, cardinals, bishops, priests will also be included there under xtian worship. after all you also respect these people and they can also pray for you.

I just want you to understand your encyclopedia first before we proceed to the next point.

asco15: Tank u brodas.
But u guys sud knw dat i cn't lie for i knw d consequences to my soul, wat i said is based on wat i went through, saw and observed.
Am nt forcing any body to leave d ch but i dn't like d way most of my former members are reacting as if am now a pagan since i left d cath ch, they even make it look as if i cn't make heaven witout devotion 2 mary.
U guys sud knw dat my life has greatly changed 2 better and i knw dat God is happy dat am nw living according 2 His righteousnes.
All my desire is 2 make heaven and let my brethren in cath also make heaven at last. And we need 2 cut-off anytin dat will hinder us from making heaven.
Tanks u guys, and am sorry if i offend any1.

asco15: are u saying dat why dn't d early xtians just allow us to practise our tradition? Why will i allow my brother to continue in a way dat leads 2 death when i nw knw dat d road i once follow has a diversion wic leads 2 death?
Read Prov16:25.

asco15: Atleast, i dn't see people dress indecent, i dn't knw my members wit drinking alcohol and even d words out of dia mouth tells alot. D truth is dat i cn see a big diff.

nwuyag: no god has a place/position/job in my life right now. I don't believe in those hell heaven stories, infact the bible. I have always said, there might be a God, but that imo cannot be the xtian one. Besides, this life is short, so hardwork all the way.
And Dude, I am definitely not going further than this. So let's end here.

Ubenedictus: that is called selective quoting, the begining of the teaching of submissiveness didn't start in vs 22, it starts in vs 21.
Eph 5:21 Be subject to one another out of reverence for christ, if your partner is asking you to be submissive to him without him practicing the same submissiveness in love, then you are his servant not his wife.

JMAN05: I think the guy is more open minded than Italo. carefully read the discussion without bias. Italo keep repeating what the guy didnt say.