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chukwudi44: How do you know? Where you there when the bible was compiled? Do you which of the over 100 scriptural writings which was in existence was genuine? How are you sure samiramirans did not influence the catholic church to chose the false scriptures?

asco15: samiramis is a goddes who appear in form of a mother and child and only d cath ch have something of her like in dia ch. And Apron is nt my God or my concern.!

asco15: U r quoting me wrong. Will u agree wit me dat there were antichrist popes in d ch history? samiramis used dos false popes 2 introduce false practises into d ch. She didn't own d bible or d ch bt she has polluted d ch. Rev.17:3-6. Believe it or not.

chukwudi44: Italo I like the way you have been dealing with this guys.I have been busy for a while now and have not had enough time to contribute here

adsonstone: if this is what you can say, then I am totally disappointed in your response.
You should also know this: the catholic Church never gave the bible authority at any time.

adsonstone: If truly the Catholic church is the body of Christ, it won't practice what the bible is against as the bible gives a guideline to what was practised in the early churches which are unrecorded (the written ones will never contradict the unwritten ones).

adsonstone: .
By the way, you have been clamouring over the unwritten doctrines and practises to justify the practises of your catholic church like you were present in those days of the apostles when you were actually told or you probably read them somewhere.

adsonstone: Provide me a credible and concrete evidence that what is practised today in your churches is what was practised in the early church.

adsonstone: I said they never wrote (formulated) it.

adsonstone: So, since I am not a member of Christ Embassy, I have no comment on what
happens there hence I'm leaving this out.

adsonstone: I said I do not expect the world to adhere to my doctrine afterall
, I don't have any of my own. I follow that which is in the bible (which I expect everybody to follow).

adsonstone: The world will have a universal interpretation of the biblical doctrines withe the guidance of the holy Spirit which Jesus said will guide us into ALL TRUTH (not the guidance of the Catholic Church neither is it of the Pope).

adsonstone: I by myself can misunderstand, but with the guidance of the Holy Spirit? Never!

adsonstone: I generalised that point because you said 'why do you protestants
find it easy to tell cheap lies' which is not true. Many protestants have made credible points which are true on this thread, yet you still say what I put in quotation marks above.

adsonstone: Yes, I do, if I know anyone to be true and certain (as I have said, the true and certain ones will agree with the written ones). By the way, I'll like to ask again, how do you know the oral traditions you follow are true?

asco15: i dn't worship bible, i worship God Almighty.
I stil just can't understand how images were introduced into d ch and u also seem 2 b ignorant like me on dat issue. Mayb u sud ask ur superiors.

asco15: knw dat unbelieve in d word of God is a Sin, and hosea.4:6 said my people perish 4 lack of knowledge. Prov.16:25, dat der is a way dat seems right 2 u but d end is d way of death.

asco15: pls 4 God sake, dn't call d Word of God, samiramis book, did she hv any book in d bible? be warn!
Wen did d apostles use images, God dat warn us against d use of images ask d cath ch 2 make images? Y didn't He ask d early apostles 2 use images.
Nw dat u knw dat images is a sin, repent nw because dat day u wil be inexcusable. Most of d images of mary was as a result of an aparition from a woman claimed 2 b mary. Eg. St.catherine Laboure and d miraculous medal image.

asco15: she introduces an anti-GOD practise into d ch, and dat may b after d compiling of d bible.

asco15: God directed moses to build d ark of covenant, and Jesus is nw d new covenant. Did God ask d cath ch 2 mould images of Jesus, Mary and all d saints and to bow before dem? U hvn't ans my question: how did d use of images came into d ch? Wen we knw dat d early apostles only worship God in truth and in spirit.

asco15: U haven't still ans any of my questions, wic means dat u r practising wat u dn't knw.

asco15: she introduces an anti-GOD practise into d ch, and [b]dat may b [/b]after d compiling of d bible. But u hvn't stil answer my question. Hw did d use of graven images came into d ch, years after d early apostles were no more? Did God ask d ch 2 use dos images 2 worship Him?

adsonstone: You say I tell lies?
We'll examine previous comments and conclude who the liar is.
You have implied all these I said in many of your previous statements.
Examine these statements of yours

These clearly suggest the 'Catholic Church' has more authority than recorded words of Christ in the Bible

This one clearly says you only believe the bible because the catholic church told you to believe it....meaning if you are told to disbelieve in it tomorrow by the catholic church, you will.

Now we can determine who the liar is.

Now let me put this straight to you...I also need a straight and definite answer
Which is more superior? The words of the head of the Church (Christ) recorded by the apostles in the bible or the words said by the Catholic Church?

adsonstone: You're the one going in circles with the excuse that the Catholic Church compiled the bible. Well, the good news is that THE CATHOLIC CHURCH NEVER WROTE IT....and definitely, they don't have the authority to change or twist it, there's a punishment for that (Read Revelation 22:18-19)

adsonstone: By the way, I have not mentioned Pastor Chris so far neither have I said I am a member of Christ embassy (I have not also named any Priest in the catholic churches). I don't know why you are bringing him into this. (This is out totally of our conversation). Besides, all your criticism have made you type the wrong thing (check your post or what I quoted).

adsonstone: No, I do not. Do you also believe the whole world should should adhere to the scripture interpretation of the catholic church?

adsonstone: I never claimed to have known the full ones, I only claim to know the ones in the Bible.

adsonstone: Now we can decide who carries the 'madness'.
.and I should say this now, I am not a member of Christ embassy. I have also discovered that when you have no reason or when you do not know what to say, you declare reasonable fellows as liars.

asco15: U dn't answer my question, rather u r diverting, dat some pastors r wrong doesn't justify d use of images in d cath ch. Beside, d bible did nt condem it like it clearly condems ur fetish practises.
But i tell u most solemnly dat d use of dos images will stand against catholics on dia judgement day because it is clearly written in Ex.20:4-5, Deut.5:7-9, Rom.1:23,25, etc. Or wic bible verse wil u use 2 justify d use of dos graven images?

Ukuts gp: I believe that when the scales has fallen from italo and his friend's eyes, they would be at the forefront of the crusade against catholic erroneous and fallacious doctrines.

Ukuts gp: is dat the answer to the questions b4 u?

Ukuts gp: no. What about burning of incense, using of black, white and yellow candle, worshipping dead bodies, worshipping the pope as supreme abeg, i cant count them all, they are too many to enumerate.

asco15: U must come to realise dat most of wat d catholic doctrine teaches was never practised by d early apostles and worst of it is dat d bible condems dos tins.
D cath. Ch did nt gave us d bible, the old testiment has been in existence before the coming of christ and the new testament comprises d letters and gospels by d early apostles, d cath ch only combines dem and God kept His word 2 saves us 4rm d conspiracy in His ch.
I was once 1 a promoter of Mary Queen of all hearts and i cn tell u dat d words we used in our prayers shows dat we worship and depend on mary, i can remember where st.louis said dat we cn't approach Jesus except 2ru mary' imaging such conspiracy?

asco15: You honor her by making her images, bowing down to her images, kissing and hugging her images, offering novenas to her, dedicating the month of May nd Oct. 2 her, by praying 200 hail mary (20 decades) to her daily and by wearing her images in form of chaplets, medals and scapula on ur body, and u claimed to be honoring her. U gave her all titles in ur various litanies and sing her songs daily and u call all dat honor?
By words u may be honoring her but by actions u r worshiping her. What different are u with wat is written in Jer.44:17-19, Rom.1:23,25.
Why practise wat d bible condems in Ex.20:4-7, Deut.5:7-9, etc. The roman catholic church has been hijacked by d roman god samiramis aka queen of heaven.
Run 4 ur life as i did.

asco15: can d mother church tell me how she introduces some practices and doctrines dat are different from the dat of d early apostles?
Now tell me how the following were brought into the mother church:
how did d use of images and beads came into d ch?
Why did she pray to Mary, angels, saints and even dead souls?
And do u knw dat none of dis was done by d early xtians? And d bible is against such practises?

adsonstone: Now his prophecy which was recorded in the bible has become a reference for you (I suppose that the reference should be from the Catholic Church since you take it to be superior to the recorded words of the Head of the Church)

adsonstone: Yes, he mentioned his teaching because He couldn't have mentioned the Bible (the bible did not exist then). The same teaching was recorded by the apostles and eventually and compiled into the present day bible (synoptic gospels). (Though there are other unrecorded teaching, these cannot be verified)

adsonstone: No, I do not know all, I only know those that are recorded and available to me this present day which I still strictly follow.

adsonstone: I can tell because I'm 100% sure that the teaching and practises cannot contradict each other (they must agree and if they don't, I go with only the verified ones and ignore the uncertain ones as they can lead me astray)....and if you don't mind, I'll like you to answer these questions you just asked.

adsonstone: This is your opinion (about those Pastors), not mine.
Well, as for me, I can rightly follow the ones which are available to me today.

adsonstone: I want us to reason together and that's all.

I don't see this as a debate, but if you do, I accept your declaration.

Ukuts gp: tell me also the reason u are cleverly avoiding questions posed to u by enigma and not reading the numerous links he gave u? Anyway, is like u dnt hv answers to my questions. No problem.

Sal C: Even if not here, can you send me the name of the parish (es) in Orlu diocese. I spent many years there and know many priests there including the present bishop of the diocese. Let's see if anything can be done about it.

Ukuts gp: @italo and co. What do u hv to say about infant baptism and baptism by sprinkling dat u people practice. Is it biblical or not? If it is, can u show me bible references to that effect? And if it is not, why do u people do it?