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Syncan: ehm...bro Italo, pls when you decide to be one, abeg contact me, make you come for our side o.

My heart is open. I'll let you know.

What about you. You'll probably make a more patient Catechist than I.

^^^

1. What does it mean to say a country is doing "better" than the other?

2. Do you have any evidence that people dont suffer for the spilling of innocent blood that goes on in their countries (both those that legalize it and those that dont)?

adsonstone: In other words, do you want me to start doubting the authenticity of the bible??
If yes, I'm sorry.....'You're on a long thing.'

How do you know the Bible is authentically the writings of the apostles? How are you sure that the gospel of Barnabas which was excluded was not genuine; while the book of Mark which was included isnt a fraud?

adsonstone: I do not disobey Him. I obey exactly as He teaches me with what I have.
Now, I want you to list those traditions by word of mouth since I don't have them and let's see if they are in line with the ones that are not oral afterall they shouldn't contradict.

First things first. You dont obey oral traditions as the Holy Spirit commands. Yes or No?

adsonstone: and Honestly, I wouldn't ask you to post them if I actually found them. I'll be grateful if you provide a link. (Church Fathers as you said....I'm not requesting for Catholic Fathers)

"Church Fathers" on google will provide you several links in less than a second. If the Early Church Fathers (successors of the apostles) seem to be Catholic, it is because they were Catholic. Here are some links
m.ccel.org/fathers.html

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Fathers

adsonstone: Stop being mischievous! You know the Catholic church NEVER authored the bible!

They did. Except you do not know the meaning of author.

Now can you answer the simple question I have asked at least 3 times?

The Catholic Church compiled the Bible. Yes or no?

adsonstone: Yes, My Church does!

No! I can't. The spirit of God guides me.

Wonderful! All hail infallible Pope Adsonstone. I want to be a part of this your Church that teaches God's one true doctrine and can NEVER teach wrong. Can I open a thread so that you can teach me what your Church teaches about key Christian issues? E.g the role of good works in salvation.

adsonstone: Thank God that stated date wasn't given by your Church.

Not just my Church, all bible believing Christians that do not seek what the pope wants and truly search and study with the Holy Spirit's help.
I think high time you stopped all these 'the catholic church compiled the bible', 'the pope authorized the New testament canon'....and just declare 'The Pope and the Catholic church wrote the bible and gave it out to everyone!' I think that's a better representation of all your words.

LMAO! You search what the Pope declared to be "Bible." No?
The Pope authorized the canon of the new testament and you followed. No?

adsonstone: Am I not a member of that church? Am I not speaking? Can't you figure what is taught in my church from what I say? Must I say the name? Don't I read the teaching of your church from your speech?

Catholic Church teaching is there in the light for all to see. All you need to do is google Catechism or Canon law...etc. How can you be taken seriously when your "church" has no identity and no standard teaching, yet you say it has God's teaching. Even Boko Haram, as clandestine and evil as they are, have more credibility than this your unknown, underworld "church."

adsonstone: Enigma

Can you show me where I called Enigma "Liar?"

adsonstone: Are you sure you really want this?? If we start highlighting these things.....30pages won't be enough to finish it all.
By the way, before this, I want us to wrap up the oral tradition discussion.

"Follow oral tradition" was the command. Not "wrap up oral tradition discussion. "

What are you wrapping up?

I repeat: there is nothing in Catholic teaching that contradicts scripture.

I challenge you and all your "church" members to show me.

kckelechikc: Nonsense, which Catholic, said by who? Those people that worship Mary status.

Do not lie. It is a sin.

mossy: My issue with Catholism.;if u refuse to"honour" Mary(n d statues),.Worshipping JESUS may be impossible..not fair o

Do not lie! It is a sin.

Juell: Catholic church was established by the Romans and impossed on the world cos at that period the Romans where the world power.

LIE!

Any thing to back up your claim?

Okeyson4wisdom: my friend pls stop saying such, many churches were planted even during the time of the apostles so stop referring to only one church.

"Away from me, you workers of lawlessness."

It was Jesus that said so.

There is only one Church!

All those "Churches" were ONE Church spread in different locations. They had one faith, one doctrine, one shepherd - Peter.

t12tosin: as for dem catholic church , no b dem cause all dis catacata for christiandom?
dictatorship
twisting the word of God
even to hoarding the bible,
lets not forget that during the middle ages, their was a decree that anyone caught with a bible must be put to death.
this decree came from the Roman Catholic Church in order to manipulate mankind.
lets not forget Islam is a product catholic misrule?

LIES!

Xriss: Sorry but I disagree with that...... I don't know the name of the first church or whether it had a name at all but I know churches (the gathering of brethren and not big buildings) existed and consistently met immediately after the death of Christ in peoples homes, underground at hill tops etc before the church and the world (roman state) got intertwined and that church lost its way

The Church never lost its way! Christ said he would be with it until the end of the age and the gates of hell wouldn't prevail against it.

The Church is the same one that was called "Catholic" by St. Ignatius around 100AD.

[quote author=creepsy@me]where in the bible is it written that catholic church is the first?[/quote]Not everything is written in the Bible.

Indeed nowhere is it written that Jesus asked the apostles to compile a book. "Bible" is not even mentioned in the Bible.

It was the Catholic Church that gave us the Bible.

Alleluia!

oyin01: what is the name of the church

The Catholic Church.

smart134: Are u sayin dat dey is no God in order churches?

I am saying they were founded by men.

Only one was founded by God.

franksunny: ...looking onto jesus the author and the finisher of our faith. churches are irrelevant here. some of these ductring will take men to hell. those that said catholic is the first and the last church may be that will give them salvation, all the best to them. make we know say church no be building

The Church is not irrelevant.

The pillar and foundation of the truth (1Tim 3:15) can never be irrelevant.

pendusky: i cn see mary worshipers claiming ther the 1st church on earth, SMH!!! i hav a question anyway, why did martin luther left to found lutheran church?

@op if u think wer ure worshiping will let u make heaven at last then no point leaving ther but if not, ure on ur own!!

There is no need to tell lies and insult Catholics.

How can you know who we worship more than us?

Martin Luther was not satisfied with some of the things happening in the Church but no one can know if thats the only reason he left.

You might want to know that Martin Luther had a devotion to Mary.

[quote author=L.M Ayedun..]"As for you, be fruitful and multiply; Populate the earth abundantly and multiply in it."- Genesis 9:7. And even the "church" too should be multiplied.[/quote]"The Church," not churches. ONE!

Youngzedd: Taaaaaah.

Prove it

What kind of proof do you want?

PasD: When u mean 'innocent' do u include you and I?

Those innocent of committing abortion.

wiegraf: Yes, as 'innocents' in today's Nigeria are living at the highest standards all thanks to the gigawatts of spiritual power we produce daily

Black man ehhh. Let me just leave it at that

Sorry o. Oga white man.

Double27: My requests have been granted. Thank you Our Lady, You too much.

I thank God for you.

@ Sal C, dont answer any question here anymore!

Lol...

realistically: Hello Everybody,so here's my testimony......In my 4th year in school,I joined the Confraternity of Our Lady Queen of all Hearts(mostly based on the teachings of St Louis de Montfort) and we had to say our rosaries daily as members and try to be in a state of grace as much as we can....I had the best result in my entire stay at University in that year.........and also with the intercession of the Blessed Virgin Mary we are moving into our own house tomorrow.....Glory to Jesus!!Though since I graduated I have not been very faithful in praying my Rosary...God help me.
P.s.Italo and Chukwudi44.......you guys should be Cathechists in your parishes.....wish I knew half as much of the Catholic faith as you guys do.....God bless you guys and May our Mother Mary,The Mediatrix of all graces continue to interceed for us,Amen.

Hmm..."Catechist!" I have been thinking of that, but the timing doesn't really suit me and I'm involved with other ministries in my parish.

I'll keep thinking and praying about it.

Thanks.

asco15: i did all wat u r nw doing in d name of defending d cath ch. But wen i say let me visit oda ch, dats wen i saw d light and d different was clear. U cn't remain in d dark 2 see ur path, only wen u come 2 d light dat u will be able 2 see d false teachings of d cath ch.
U r capitalizing on samiramis as if u dn't knw her history, go and google it and learn more.
Hv u ever see me bow down to apron or praying 2ru it? Beside hw does apron concern my xtian life?

*yawning*

Just stop worshipping samiramis and your apron and come into the light.

adsonstone: I trust Italo. I'm sure He'll say the same thing he has been saying over and over which is 'The Catholic Church compiled the Bible'.

No. I said he should stop smoking weed.

And that goes for anyone else who expects me to explain all those verses one by one to he who decided that intercession is a sin.

Ukuts gp: Read these scripture and explain it to me one after the other.
Leviticus 19:4.
Leviticus 26:1.
Leviticus 26:30.
2kings 23:24.
2kings 17:9-20.
Revelation 21:8.
1corinthians 12:2.
Psalm 115:4-9.
Isaiah 2:8.
Isaiah 45:16.
Exodus 20:1-6.
Deuteronomy 4:14-19.
Ezekiel 14:6.
Acts 19:21-28, 33-41.
Deuteronomy 5:6-10.
Micah 5:12-13.
Habakuk 2:18-20.
Judges 2:11-15.
Exodus 32:1-26.
Matthew 4:10.
1 John 5:21.
Psalm 78:58.
Romans 1:22-25.
Leviticus 18:21.
Jeremiah 7:8.

Explan those passages and verses of the scripture and let me see ur lack of bible knowledge displayed in the forum b4 i bring more.

U hv been talking history dat u know nothing about since, now let us face the word of God now. Or u want to say the bible is not d written word of God again?

Now u can begin.@italo and his crew.

I should explain those verses one by one?

I really think you should stop smoking weed!

[quote author=m.k.o2005]Every one including the roman catholics knows that they (rcc) worship Mary,does not believe the scriptures for they hold their man made traditions high above the scriptures,and they also don't follow Christ but pretend before their own members and the world to be following Christ !
But God will soon deliver all HIS children in their grip before the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ....Amen
God help the innocent ones and deliver then on time in Jesus name.... Amen

God help us[/quote]Everyone knows you are a liar.

adsonstone: The same source that gave authority to the epistles gave the Bible its authority....the Holy spirit is that source. He guides the church through those epistles.

How do you know? How do you know the epistles of Peter, Paul and John weren't actually written by Pilate, Ananias and/or Herod? Or as one of your protestant brothers implied, samiramis inspired the Catholic Church to compile the Bible. Do you have any evidence to the contrary?

adsonstone: ...and the same Holy Spirit highlighted some of these traditions. Study 2Thess 3:6-14 (please make sure you study this carefully following the guidance of the Holy Spirit) and if you practice
ones which you claim are unwritten, and they are contrary or contradict these, they must be false.

Christian, dont pretend like you dont know that those practices are part of the ones the Holy Spirit calls "tradition. ..by letter." What about the ones the Holy Spirit calls "tradition...BY WORD OF MOUTH?" Why do you ignore them? Why do you disobey the Holy Spirit?

adsonstone: I'll be glad if you can provide these writings here or by P.M. I'll gladly read them.

Any sincere Christian can access the wrings of the Church Fathers online. Indeed, they have led many sincere protestants back home to the Catholic Church.

adsonstone: This is not what we are saying as we have concluded on that. What's on ground is 'Did the Catholic Church author the Bible?' Yes or No.
As you said, 'Be not ashamed of the truth'

I dont know what you concluded as you seem to ashamed to give a clear and honest answer.

The Catholic Church compiled the Bible. Yes or no?

YES. The Catholic Church authored the Bible!

adsonstone: Well, all you should know is that I worship in a Bible Believing Church. Definitely not Christ Embassy.

Unverified! Unverifiable!

Who founded your "church" and when? Does your Church teach God's one true doctrine?

adsonstone: I follow the bible very strictly (with the Holy Spirit guiding me) meaning I'm ever growing and I'm living up to conform to the full nature of the perfect man as Christ is the only perfect man that has ever walked this earth.

You can possibly be wrong about your interpretation of something or anything the Bible says. Yes or no?

adsonstone: He is but its very tragic that very few Christians choose to follow Him, most follow what the pope says, others follow what their Pastors say, the rest follow their instinct. By the way, is that the date your church gave you?

No.

Who are those few who follow what the Holy Spirit's says and not the Pope? Your "church" that cannot come out in the light? The Pope authorized the canon of the New Testament and you followed what he declared. No?

adsonstone: The Holy Spirit teaches only the truth.
I have stated the reasons for diverse doctrines.

In other words, only your "church" doctrine is that which the Holy Spirit teaches? Every other human being that has a different teaching is not following the Holy Spirit? Yet this Church operates like an underworld organization that cannot come out in the light? Neither the identity nor the teachings of your "church" can be known.

adsonstone: These should also be directed to them (those that support lies). I support only what is true, my comment suggested that you called some people that said the truth 'liars' which is a lie in itself.

Who are the "some people" that I accused of lying that didnt lie?

adsonstone: When you study the scripture I gave above, compare the ones you do today and these ones.
If they are not in agreement with this and many more written ones, the false tradition has successfully been passed down to you.
.

There is nothing in Catholic teaching and practice that is contrary to scripture.

I challenge you to show me any Catholic practice and how scripture forbids it.

[quote author=m.k.o2005]I guess the 'church'you are talking about here with images they worship should be pagans whose images the roman catholic church borrowed and replaced with their Mary images just to integrate them into the roman catholic institution and today the rcc is finding it difficult to let go of these images for fear of criticism !
It's better they be on the good book of God than that of the world ! As for image worship and veneration as you guys call it,is no where in the bible. For it to be there,the rcc has to insert it first. But thank God they can't[b]. As for the images,loose them and let them go ![/b]
God help us[/quote]Is telling lies against Catholics in the Bible?

Bidam: Up until now you've still not repented on the NT scripture i gave you on image worship? Na wa oh!

Acts 17:29 International Standard Version
So if we are God's children, we shouldn't think that the divine being is like gold, silver, or stone, or[size=16pt] is an image carved by humans using their own imagination and skill[/size]

I will keep posting this scripture till you see light.

Joshua 7:6 Then Joshua tore his clothes and fell facedown to the ground before the ark of the Lord, remaining there till evening. The elders of Israel did the same, and sprinkled dust on their heads.


I will keep posting this scripture till you see light.

Gwekzy: All of The above

Gbam!

Even the innocent in the land will suffer for the innocent blood of unborn babies being shed in our country.

Ukuts gp: ignorance is ur problem. How can u use image without first making or fashioning it. Who told u dat God commanded us to make image or use them for worship as u people do with mary's image erected in your church. Hv u nt seen ur members praying and bowing down to that dumb thing? So, that is nt worship abi. U must be a joker i think. What is image and what is idol? Tell me.

So Joshua worshipped the images in Joshua 7 when he prostrated before them abi?

adsonstone: You should know that the name 'Protestant' Church is generally used to refer to any Church that is isn't Catholic, Orthodox or Assyrian. The reason for difference in doctrines is simply: many of them ignore the teaching of Christ and the Apostles in the bible, and some that do not ignore these teaching do not study with the guidance of the Holy Spirit instead, they go with their instincts and make their conclusion.

Then which one among them is God's Church?

Ukuts gp: 2kings 18:4.
He removed the high places and broke the images, and cut down the groves, and broke in pieces the brazen serpent that moses had made, for to those days the children of israel did burn incense to it, and he called it Nebushtan.

Jeremiah 7:8.
The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings to other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.

Catholic are simply practicing idolatory and they call it church. It is their goddess they are worshipping. Dnt be deceived.

Stop quoting from that book o. Asco has shown us that it was made by samiramis. Come out of that idolatry o.