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^^^

I'm partaking, though my schedule and Lagos traffic wont let make it every evening.

Thanks.

The peace of the Lord be with you.

woky: must you lie

How else can one challenge truth, but with lies?

damerry: same bro, i smiled when i visited the thread and saw italo as the last to comment. I love this thread, it serves as a military base for training, Dispatchments and reinforcement! I'm glad you all came, i was lost and could not give him error- free answers. God bless us all!

Lol @ "military base"

You did the honourable thing. It is better to be silent when unsure than speak in error.

I am thinking of doing a piece for Catholics on strategies to defend the faith effectively and confidently. What you did is part of the key points.

I'm still thinking whether to do it here or open a separate thread for it.

I think I should open a separate thread so that it could have a chance of attracting Catholics who dont normally come here.

God bless you.

I hope your Rosary devotion is still on point o.

We must talk to God (from whom comes our strength) more than we talk to our adversaries.

forexprophet: @ damerry and others: I was much more a catholic than u were. It was in my 3rd year at the Major seminary that my lecturer told me d truth secretly about the origin of the worship of mary in d cath. church, emperor constatine who forced himself to bcome d first pope......(peter was never a pope). how he introduced roman idolatries into the church at rome dat was planted by paul b4 it was taken over by the emperor,the church at jerusalem was not part of all d take over.......later paul had to write them a later in Romans 1:1- the end warning of the idolatry. It was d church at rome that became THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH. And becos it has d backing of the emperor/pope who was the super power of the then political world, the Roman catholic church spread like wild fire by persecuting other part of churches planted by the apostles......this refered to the INQUISITION PERIOD and this ushered in what is called THE DARK AGE OF THE CHURCH. Pope/emperor ordered dat those who do not accept his idolatarous mixed christianity shuld b burnt alive.......

I THINK YOU ARE THE ONE THAT SHOULD DO YOUR RESEARCH WELL

Time will fail me to tell u all more. but i will b posting more of d UNKNOWN SECRET that average catholics are ignorant about. i wil soon post d secrets of NIMROD AND SERAMIS which is d root of "the woman and d child" image in d cath church, VATICAN I & II etc
You hv stirred d bee hornet my friend. sit down drop all the thing u tink u know and make some research

I HV SINCE LEFT THE SEMINARY SHORTLY BEFORE OUR ORDINATION WHEN WE WERE ABOUT TO TAKE THE OATH OF SECRECY to keep the cath church secrets secret...........dat is why no rev. father wil giv u straight forward answer if u ask him deep question about the cath. church.

Honestly, i hv deep concern and pity for multitude of blind follower who dont knw dat the cath church is jst Roman branch of the jerusalem dat was corrupted by roman idol worship.......... wil post soon

Unfortunately, these are the kind of people we have to reason with.

People who find it easy to tell blatant lies against the Church just to discredit it.

...and yes, we know satan is the father of lies.

forexprophet: QUOTE FROM THE BIBLE NOT BISHOP

He quoted the Bible, you said Bible was eckankar teaching.

He quoted a Bishop (and it was Bishops that compiled the Bible), you say he should go back to the Bible which you called eckankar teaching.

Maybe you should do some quoting yourself.

Tell us where the Bible days Mary cannot hear millions of prayers at the same time.

Which chapter and verse?

And tell us where the Bible says anything must be in the Bible for Christians to do it.

Where did Bible even mention Bible?

truthislight: Nope, Italos question is fales and decetful from its base.

The early christians of 1ce who lived with the apostles and who received those writings, mark, acts etc new the writers and hence considers them as inspired. This were all done befor the end of 1ce, befor the word "chatholic" was used the first time in the 2ce, and this books where used for teaching by the 1st century christians.

It is note worthy that all the books of the NT used for teaching were writen by christ apostles, hence, colation of this apostolic writings was a straigth forward thing since none apostolic writings has no basis to be considered as inspired like that of the apostles.

The OT was fully complete befor the 1st ce, and was written exclusively by Yahweh prophet, Yahweh anointed king. The livites. Qed.
All this writers are Jews.

So, anything done after 1ce has nothing to do with this unique collections of books that where there during the time of the apostles.

It is the Jews tradition to keep the writings of their prophets and anointed kings, and the NT writers are also Jews.

Did they wait for Canonisation befor keeping the books of the prophets of the OT ? No.

Why then will they have to wait for the canonisation of the writing of the Apostles for them to consider the apostolic writings as inspired befor collation ?

Why will the books written by Jews have to wait to be canonised by gentiles about 400yrs later ?

If you swallow Italos lies, you are gradually on your way to atheism.

You are saying that the books of Mark and Luke are not inspired since they weren't apostles.

You mean the Catholic Church lied when they said these books were inspired.

You call Italo and the Catholic Church liars.

Should we then follow you who knows the truth and remove Mark and Luke from the Bible?

@ Syncan, nice one.

If only we weren't talking to close-minded people.

"God is omnipotent (all powerful) and he can do all things. Making it possible for saints and angels to hear us is hardly a challenge for God. In Luke 16: 19-30, Jesus giving an example of a rich man in Hades calling on Abraham in heaven to go tell his brothers to reform their lives. AND Abraham hears him!"--Fr Vincent Serpa of Catholic Answers.

Ubenedictus: @italo i saw u changed ur signature to highlight your weakness, i would love it if u could go thru d letters of st paul and write down the phrases where yo see ''in him'' and apply them to your self, your weaknesses are nothing compared to what u are in christ. You posses grace to kill ur weakness.

Thanks. Though the signature was actually a quote from St. Teresa of Avila. I just didnt have enough space to put her name. It sure speaks to everyone.

Just like your advice speaks to everyone too.

Like Teresa, we all can triumph over our weaknesses through Christ.

Amen.

Rich4god: Why not, bit 1st of all, as a Vincentian, I will make investigation to see if you truly deserve the credit.

Lol...

A true and well-groomed Vincentian you are.

@ wiegraf,

I just want to say God bless you in your randomness.

I didnt even read your epistle. I dont think there's anything worthwhile in there.

adsonstone: yes, I said the church in Rome (probably catholic) because the books of the bible were agreed upon and compiled as a result of a meeting. I really think you should read on the bible history.

*yawning*..... same old story.

adsonstone: Read article on the history of the bible on wikipedia, I also read it there.

To make life easier for us... You said the Church in Rome compiled the Bible in the 4th century. There was no Church in Rome other than the Catholic Church under a Pope (Bishop of Rome)...and Pope Francis is his direct successor.

But I would still like to see where Wikipedia told you that. I have searched Wikipedia and cant find it. Could you please give me the exact quote they
used. If I have that, I'll find the exact spot it is on Wikipedia. I have a strong feeling that you're lying again...just like when you said I called one "Enigma" "liar" but have failed to produce the quote.

That even goes to show that you aren't to be discussed with or taken seriously. You would rather just lie without remorse than accept the truth.

adsonstone: I referred you back to your study on this issue (simply cos I'm out of my phone issues) and now, you are back without studying.

But it is Wikipedia that says that Clement of Rome is the number 1 Apostolic Father. He was ordained by Simon Peter. He was the 4th Pope. You, on the other hand cannot show us which one of the Church Fathers wasn't Catholic. As usual, you just find it easier to lie than to accept the truth. Studies continue to show the Catholic Church to be the one Jesus founded on the apostles.

adsonstone: If you don't know this, you should know now.
The church Christ found is 'The Christian Church' which Deeper life is part of and not the 'catholic' church as you claimed.

The Catholic Church is the Church Christ founded on his apostles 2000 years ago. Many of the early Church Fathers were ordained by the apostles themselves or their successors by laying of hands. This apostolic succession has continued to this day and Pope Francis, the Bishops and Priests are the direct successors of the apostles. The other Church Fathers were lay people in the Catholic Church.

Deeper Life Bible Church is the "church" Kumuyi founded in 1973. It has no link to the one Christ founded. It was founded after Kumuyi broke away from Apostolic Faith Church, another "church" with no link to Christ's 2000 year-old Church. The AFC was founded by Florence Crawford in 1906. Before Kumuyi attended this AFC, he used to attend another "church" which was founded by King Henry VIII when he broke away from Jesus' Catholic Church because he wanted a free license to engage in continual adultery, which Jesus' Catholic Church wouldn't give him.

These are verifiable facts I'm giving you. Not like you who just tells lies and would do anything to shield your lies from investigation.

adsonstone: Can you please keep quiet if you don't have anything to say!
The same cock and bull story you have said over and over.
Again, go and read the bible history.

Didnt you also say the Catholic Church probably compiled the Bible? How is it "cock and bull" to affirm what you know but are ashamed to admit? Isnt it you that should be quiet about something you admit you are unsure of?

It is from history that we know that the Catholic Church compiled the Bible. Or do you want to show me Deeper Life's concocted version of "Bible history?"

Go ahead! I'll read it.

Q. How do you know Jesus ever mentioned "scriptures?"

A. You read it in the Bible the Catholic Church gave you. Precisely in the books that Jesus never mentioned but the Catholic Church gave you.

adsonstone: I never said they were Deeper life members in the first place.
Go check them out yourself on wikipedia. I don't know how you (perhaps) concluded that they were all catholics.

Oh! I thought the Early Church Fathers should have been part of God's true and infallible Church which you say is Deeper Life. You cannot show us how they were Deeper Life members...and you cannot show us even one of the "many" that weren't Catholic. Somebody is learning how to be dubious and double mouthed from his boss!

Now Clement of Rome was the 4th Pope. How Catholic can the Church Fathers be?

adsonstone: If you haven't read and understood the history of the bible and the compilation, you don't need to keep talking.

How else could I have known if I never read it somewhere or I wasn't told.
I wonder how you got your conclusion that the bible was conpiled by the catholic church as you claimed if you never read it somewhere or you weren't told by someone.

I am simply saying tell me who told you or where you read it from that the Bible was compiled by the Church in Rome. Why are you always scared to expose the information you have to critical analysis? Isnt it because they are often lies and untruths?

I noticed how you refused to tell me if God's infallible Church is the one that was founded by Kumuyi in 1973.

^^^

If you cannot even admit that it was you who mentioned "better" and cannot where I said it, then you can continue your randomness with your fellow random purposeless particles.

Leave me out.

Like I said. Abortion will bring suffering on even the innocents in the land. I choose not to explain it to a random particle... unless it has evidence to the contrary.

Pastor Kun: I know were you are heading but two wrongs don't make a right. Infact there is something wrong with the grandiose way the catholic church and most major christian denominations operate today but that is a debate for another thread.

Pastor Kun: Trust you to show up on any thread Catholic church is mentioned Are you honestly saying you are not aware of the grandiose nature of the Vatican

Story don dey change small small.

Me sef dey ignorant o...

adsonstone: This is something you know you can't deny. Stop being cunning!
Jesus always referred to the scriptures and those scriptures are the ones we have in the old testament of the Bible today.

Q. How do you know Jesus ever mentioned "scriptures?"

A. You read it in the Bible the Catholic Church gave you. Precisely in the books that Jesus never mentioned but the Catholic Church gave you.

adsonstone: Church Fathers, I have read articles online abuot these men. Many of whom were not even 'catholics' they contributed a lot to 'Christianity' in general.

Mention the 'many who werent Catholics and tell us why you say they weren't Catholics. Also show us how they were Deeper Life members.

adsonstone: I think you should go back and read extensively about how the Bible came into being and stop saying or claiming what the catholic church did and what they did not do.

When you have read, then come and reprove what I have said.

You want me to read that the Bible fell from the sky? Or that Deeper Life Bible Church compiled it? Lol...Funny lad!

You have said nothing that should be taken seriously. You've just been mocking yourself. You're even afraid of saying how you knew the Bible was compiled by the Church in Rome.

adsonstone: Deeper life bible church. You can find out more on it as there are information everywhere for you to see.

Is it the same Deeper Life Bible Church that was founded in 1973 by Kumuyi you are talking about?

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wiegraf: There is every reason, I hope you can genuinely not recognize that. I hope this isn't a case of cowardice despite your claims of moral superiority.

I do not want to digress by discussing my idea of better. Period! It was you who said something about that. It was you who said it was subjective. So just save me your personal opinion which means nothing to many people.

Where did I claim "moral superiority?"

wiegraf: Stand up for your god. You claim things will be worse if we legalize abortion, not me, yet you fail to tell us how, don't try to escape.

Where did I claim "things will be 'worse' if we legalize abortion?"

wiegraf: Don't forget, my thesis is a people get the government they deserve. Tell me what you, black man making the claim, prioritize when voting. Give me an inlkling as to how you would operate if, satan forbid, you were ever anywhere near a position of power. To prove my thesis I would have to know what your 'better' is, yes? Prove me wrong, don't chiken out.

I dont see what this has to do with this thread.

wiegraf: Let me clarify, again, YOU MADE THE CLAIM OF INNOCENTS DYING, NOT ME. YOU HAVE NOT, IN ANY WAY, BACKED UP THE CLAIM. YOU WANT ME TO DISPROVE SOMETHING YOU'VE NOT EVEN PROVEN YET??!! ACTUALLY, YOU'VE NOT EVEN EXPLAINED IT PROPERLY YET?!

When I mentioned innocents dying, I was referring to the innocents in the womb being killed.

Which do you want me to prove: that they are innocent or that they are being killed?

wiegraf: This sounds familiar, no? Your typical nonsense..... I never proved I was right, but you can't prove me wrong therefore I am right.... I appreciate your general reticence, but I'm beginning to think it's because you're afraid the more you post, the more you'll get found out..

I was talking to religious people who were talking in a religious context. They dint need evidence to understand me. You then jumped in and challenged me so I wanted to know if you have evidence contrary to what I'm saying. But you dont. I am not interested in proving to you that people suffer for sins when you dont even know what sin is.

wiegraf: If US and SA is all you saw, while missing all those central africans, south american and asians, while blatantly ignoring western europe in particular, then well..... Not to mention you ignore the other indices; conflict zones and the HDI. So what is it? What is this suffering we, including our 'innocents', will endure? Is it just murder rates that's your concern?

1. Many of your utopian countries including US and Europe are in economic decline while Africa is witnessing economic growth.

2. Abortion is not the only sin that brings suffering on a people.

3. That sin brings suffering doesnt necessarily mean that if Bill Gates commits abortion, he'll suffer so bad that he'll be financially poorer than a Lagos bus conductor today (also, consider that the conductor sins and suffers for it too). What I say is: 'Bill Gates will suffer for his sins.'

wiegraf: And oga, why not toss out that 'my god is the one being persecuted' thingie? Granted, yahweh is one of the sillier concepts, but any god would do. Yahweh just happens to be the most popular around these parts. And, of course, his zombies go around mixing church and state just like you're doing right now, so you're going to get heat from those not deluded, what did you expect? We just concede?

*boring*

Sal C: Good morning brethren.
Sal C will be going for surgery by 9am this morning and the doctor said it will take 4months for my complete recovery. Please pray for me. Though am only going to be away for few hours or a day as the case may be due to the anesthesia.

I've prayed for you and will continue to pray.

Dominus tecum!

asco15: can a dog go back to it vomit?
I rather bow down 2 budha since it is d same with wat u do in cath. Ch.

You dont need Bhudda. You already worship Samiramis and your apron.

try69: The way you comment was exactly the reason I said something about thought process and this will further stress my point.

What did the said reformation do to the ONE church other than proliferation of doctrines?

What truth is staring at my face? You believe you know more than I do or the other 1 billion plus catholics?

Why are you ashamed to disclose your "true" church? Are you supposed to be ashamed to stand for the truth?

In your delusion, you don't think one needs history to be able to understand how the word of God was passed to us and why xtians do some things they do?

Do you understand why catholic priests have to study philosophy and theology for almost 8 years before ordination to preach and teach?

You need to learn how to apply reason before you start showing your delusion on forums.

God has given us the great miracle - the human brain.

Many choose not to use it. For those who have chosen that path, there is no way you can reason with them.

adsonstone: You know this that Jesus always mentioned the scriptures. If the scriptures were corrupted, Jesus would never mention them.

Jesus never mentioned the Bible. The whole New Testament wasn't written when Jesus was speaking. The Catholic Church gave you the Bible. Without it, you'd probably be worshiping Amadioha or Sango.

GO AND READ THE CHURCH FATHERS!

adsonstone: Now, I can see this is what you choose to bank on....the Catholic Church did this, the catholic church did that. Not without the catholic Church, without the scriptures, my faith cannot stand.
By the way, the Church: the pillar and ground of truth is where the truth rests and it is to uphold it. The truth (Jesus) is ever existent!
if your catholic church choose to change it (His teaching), then it has lost its way.

It's what YOU bank on! The authenticity of the Catholic Church which made the Bible.
All you are saying, you'd never know, if the Catholic Church didnt tell you and give you the Bible.

GO AND READ THE CHURCH FATHERS!

adsonstone: That of the communion, that was not by a letter. It was orally said by Jesus to the apostles, and reserved in a written form (in the Gospels) for us to access.

How do you know that Jesus said such to his apostles? The Catholic Church gave you Bible! How do you know the parts of the New Testament that talk about communion aren't falsified? You trust the Catholic Church.

GO AND READ THE CHURCH FATHERS!

adsonstone: Hmmm.... I see.... and do they agree with the ones in the scriptures and epistles?

Which "scriptures" and "epistles"? The writings that the Catholic Church told you were scriptures and epistles?

GO AND READ THE CHURCH FATHERS!

adsonstone: The Church Christ Created was not the catholic church so the Apostles were not 'catholic' christians as they don't practice what you all practice in your catholic church today.

What do you know about Christ besides what the Catholic Church presented to you as Bible? You are just talking blindly. You dont even know if the parts of the Bible that mention "Church" were not falsified.

GO AND READ THE CHURCH FATHERS!

adsonstone: The same way you know that the catholic church compiled the bible.

There is no hiding place for your ignorance on this matter. You make a mockery of yourself when you try to sound knowledgeable on things you know nothing about. You simple are ashamed to say it because an honest answer will further vindicate the Catholic Church. But isnt it the devil that makes you ashamed of the truth?

adsonstone: Have you searched the thread?

I didnt call any "Enigma" or whatever the name is "liar."

Isnt it a sin to tell lies in that your "infallible"underworld unidentifiable unverifiable "church" doctrine? I guess not.

I am about to open the thread on your "church" and its doctrine. Can we have the name of your "church" now? Or do you and your "church" still prefer darkness to light?

PasD: aha! I suggest u read his post again. And this time around be more rational rather than sentimental pal. Or better still let him deny it!

I still dont see anything that suggests hate in that post.

Except we arent talking about "hate" - the English word.

christskill: We are not getting something straight in the House that there is only One Church is which the Church of Christ and It's SPIRITUAL not PHYSICAL,Less we have different Denomination of the Church . One Church But Different Denomination.

The Church is not merely spiritual but a physical body of believers.

One that can be seen and identified; not just an invisible, unidentifiable, unverifiable concoction.

That's why Paul could visit the Church in Rome, that's why Jesus said if you have a dispute with someone, tell the Church. Jesus wanted the world to SEE (physical) that we are one.

How can all the "denominations" teaching contradictory things be spiritually one?

try69: As funny as it may sound, I'd tell you that you need to understand the meaning of and the difference between IDOL and SYMBOL to free yourself from these very cheap shots you are throwing here. If I carry a printed book(bible) and clutch it to my chest and pray, does that imply that i had worshipped the said book? How could a printed book be holy? Ask yourself that and pick up a dictionary and search the word SYMBOL to save yourself from this gates-of-hell syndrome.

Before I became a catholic, I asked myself amongst the question of this thread several other questions, I then began to study NOT just the bible but church history after christ and I blamed my ignorance on not being a catholic since.

After intense study, I understood why the church would have done some things in history, how changes in times and kingdoms and lately governments affected religion and belief systems.

I believed it would have been christ's wish that his dear church remains ONE even in the weakness of man. Have you noticed that catholics hardly swipe protestants? If you don't read church history, you would remain in delusion and always be the attack dog without weight as you clearly is displaying here.

No pun but from the way you type I can even tell your thought process and I believe you need to work on those and remember that to know the truth you must first importantly take away SENTIMENTS of any sort.

I was once like you.

Pax tecum

You have done well, brother.

But save your energy for those who are ready to reason.

@ Adsonstone, do you see the bold.

Read Church history, like I told you.

adsonstone: I know that nothing could have been mixed up with it because God guards it personally.

How can you know that God personally guards a book he never mentioned. The Catholic Church gave you a book and you say the book was guarded by God. Is it for you to say or is it for the Catholic Church to say? You're just been hypocritical! You faith has no legs to stand on without the Catholic Church! I understand that it would be a disgrace to admit it...but real Christians seek truth, not ego.

adsonstone: One major thing I have learnt in life is to love what I have and value it preciously. If the gospel of Barnabas is genuine, and I don't have it, the one I have is sufficient and adequate for me....I do not need to start a search for the books. The fact that the book of Mark tallies with other books in both the old and new testament, I'm good to go with it.

Its not that "Mark" tallies. It's that the Catholic Church declared that Mark tallied and included it in the Bible. If they had included "Barnabas," you'd have been here swearing that Barnabas tallies. And Mark could well have been written by anybody. The truth is smiling at you lovingly, dont look away now. Without the Catholic Church, your faith has no legs to stand on.

adsonstone: How on earth is it possible to obeythe ones that are not available? By the way, I obey the ones that are available.

How on earth is it possible for the Holy Spirit to command Christians to obey what doesnt exist?

Which ORAL traditions do you obey and where do you get it from?

adsonstone: Now to you who know the oral traditions and obey them, can you list them (the ones you can remember now)

The Sacred Tradition of the Catholic Church. The Bible is also part of that tradition, as it was nowhere mentioned in scripture.

adsonstone: Thank you for the links. I'll visit them and read through.

Please do. Please read and educate yourself. Read also the history of the Bible. Its unacceptable when Atheists, Buddhists, Hindus know Christian and Bible history more than so-called "Christians" simply because these "Christians" are ashamed and averse to the truth. Everyone (except deluded pentecostals) knows that the history of Christianity is Catholicism. There are scriptural, histotical, archaeological, scientific proofs. Even Anglicans and other Orthodox Churches laugh at some of the senseless things some of you say.

adsonstone: Here's the meaning of Author.
au·thor - /ˈôTHər/
Noun:
1. A writer of a book, article, or report

You'll agree with me that writing and compiling (or perhaps publishing) are two different things.

Now, did the catholic church write the epistles or any book in the bible? Yes or No?

au·thor (ôthr)
n.
1.
a. The writer of a book, article, or other text.
b. One who practices writing as a profession.
2. One who writes or constructs an electronic document or system, such as a website.
3. An originator or creator, as of a theory or plan.
4. Author God.
tr.v. au·thored, au·thor·ing, au·thors
1. Usage Problem To assume responsibility for the content of (a published text).

Author 1

Definition: The beginner, former, or first mover of anything; hence, the efficient cause of a thing; a creator; an originator.

ardictionary.com/Author/10758

The epistles of the New Testament were written by the first leaders of the Catholic Church.

adsonstone: By the way, I have answered your question, not once and I'll answer again.
The Church in Rome compiled the bible. (Possibly catholic). Has that been answered?

How do you know the "Church in Rome" that compiled the Bible in the 4th century?

adsonstone: Perhaps, I'll consider doing that. You'll be welcome in the thread.

Perhaps, at the end of our discussion. I'll tell you the name.

You dont want me to open the thread? Why are you hoarding your "church" and its infallible teaching? What are you afraid of?

adsonstone: You can check this thread for that.

Dear friend, will you do the honourable thing and apologize for accusing me falsely? Or will you, as is common with you guys, prefer to hold onto this LIE than face up to the truth?

I never called any "Enigma" "liar" on this thread. Can you show me where I did?

wiegraf: I mean this



and all it entails.

But of course, it's subjective, so please tell me what you describe as 'better'?

The bold is sufficient for now. That makes your submission earlier that countries that legalized the killing of their youngest citizens "seem to be doing rather well" simply your personal opinion which doesnt necessarily mean anything to anyone else. Thanks.

There is no point discussing what I feel is better at this point.

wiegraf: I don't even know where to begin with this nonsense, no offense. Anyways, what exactly is innocent? And let's not forget the innocent blood that will be spilled by yahweh, not just your 'innocent' fetuses.

As for 'spilling blood', I can at least show you crime rates and conflicts

Conflict
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Murder
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I have better numbers, but will have to come back with those. No time atm

It's simple. You have no evidence that innocent people in a country dont suffer for the kiling of their youngest compatriots.

The US and South Africa have very little restriction for abortion. They both have two of the highest crime rates (including murder) in the world.

Even if you just want to condemn God, wait until you have something sensible to say.

PasD: Ur majesty. U hav poured out ur heart and hate for 'developed' countries. But I gbadun ur open mindedeness shaa

I dont see anything that suggests "hate for developed countries" in his post.

souldust: i can see some people have started using their outdated tactics to make us feel that refusal to do abortion and accept other things like gay marriage is the reason why we are 'underdeveloped'.

Economic development is brought about only by managing the resources you have properly and puting in place sound economic policies and also the will to pursue those policies. Abortion has little to do with it, fact!

If we are going to paint the parts of the world with highest growth rate in green and other parts with low growth rate in blue, Africa would be painted in deep green while the other parts of the world that do abortion would be painted in deep blue. What shall we say then, that not doing abortion and gay marriage causes low economic growth? Think about it yourself before to decend to self hate!

These ones have decided not to reason. All they want to do night and day is condemn the God who they say doesn't exist...

...for no one that reasons will link legalized abortion to "doing rather well."

babestell: If Sal C doesn't answer then who will

Ah-ah...wetin do you?