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Bograd83: sorry if l interup. why mary?

Not just Mary, but every believer can pray for us, including Mary, Peter, John, Andrew and even you.

Bograd83: the word of God doesnt contradict itself. Its all abt getin d revelatn

And do you have the revelation?

Bograd83: it is posible u know is gathering his own pple 2geda. Dy ll believe dsame doctrine,d doctrine of Jesus -one Lord, 1 faith etc

Is it possible for God's Church to teach false doctrine?

Bograd83: d reason is cos d way every1 sees God so is d way dy serve Him. Bible is 1,&there's only 1 God but xtian of 2day are serving 3 gods-trinity wc is an idol dats anoda reason y we see diff doctrine

Oh! God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are idols too?

kcjazz: http://romancatholicwomenpriests.org/worshippingcommunity.htm



Please provide the names of these Churches. If you cant, would you kindly recant your statement.[b][/b]




This will do for now.

Dear friend,

I want to assume that you are not aware that this group only deceptively refer to themselves as Catholics but are not.

Please read these links thoroughly and educate yourself more about this issue.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Womenpriests

www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=45782

...then please recant your statement honourably.

God bless you.

amyg: @italo,u sound so bitter.u may need 2 calm down.

Well, it might seem i'm bitter from my tone but I'm not. I think I'm calm...at least calmer than you. I'm not the one who wants to run away from the Holy Eucharist because of #10000. I'm just disturbed that some adults that claim to be practising Catholic choir members dont even know what it means to be Catholic in the first place. Children as young as 7 know that Holy Communion is Jesus' body, blood, soul and divinity...but some adults that claim to sing communion hymns every Sunday dont know. In fact, I'm not just disturbed, my heart genuinely aches for such people.

amyg: u mentioned giving cheerfully and freely,y then do they impose?all am saying is that just because its in their power to administer the sacrament,they should not use it as a means of extortion and exploitation.

I guess the reason they charge a fee is that there are people who claim to be Catholics but dont understand cheerful and free giving. They are just thieves who want to reap from what they did not sow. These wicked people stayed away all their lives while I and fellow parishioners built up and continued to maintain our parish. Then at their wedding they want to take what others have suffered for without making any remuneration. On top of it, they want other human beings (Catechists, counsellors, facilitators, altar boys, choir, wardens etc) to slave for them at their wedding then go home hungry, tired and broke while they themselves go on to feast lavishly at the reception they have prepared for themselves and their VIPs. And they never make any contribution or visits to the Church after that until they are dead. Then their family tries to bring them again to the Church to steal again. Tell me who is extorting who. I say again: these people are evil.

amyg: are u married yet?if no,pls ask those that wedded in catholic church what they passed thru. and when u wed,pls come back and tell us the honest version of ur story.I asked my priest back home,he told me that 2 get a reply after publication alone is 10k?Mary league 20k and others I wouldn't mention.

My sister wedded in April in Abuja and she paid 60k to the Church. We paid for hall-850k, decor-300k, food and drinks not less than 1.2m, 4 parents' outfits-400k, MC-175k, etc. And it follows a similar pattern for most weddings.

These same people I was talking about will spend much larger sums on many irrelevant things then say it is the Catholic Church that made life difficult for them.

amyg: pls am not here 2 pass judgement buh I hope my Jesus will b happy with them when they tell him what they v done with his flock. Tel me about the whites that introduced church wedding to us and how its done in their place.

Have you not passed your judgement that the ones entrusted with the sacraments are unfair and are deliberately exploiting and extorting people? Whites also do the same. Read:


Fees
Your parish will spend a considerable amount of time and money helping you prepare for your marriage. Most parishes charge a fee to recover some of this expense; others simply accept a voluntary contribution. Fees for members of the parish commonly range from $300-$500. Sometimes a higher fee is charged to people who are not members of the parish.
Even if a fee is not specified, it is customary to offer a monetary gift. How do you determine the appropriate amount? One way would be to consult the websites of parishes in your area to see whether they charge a fee, and make the gift to your parish a similar amount. Another way would be to tithe a percentage of what you expect to spend on the whole wedding. Or offer as much as you choose to spend on more "optional" elements of the wedding, such as the cost of photography or wedding clothes. Alternatively, you could just ask the parish staff what an appropriate amount would be.
If you are truly unable to afford the fee, don't hesitate to approach your parish to ask for a waiver or reduction. All eligible persons have a right to receive the sacrament of marriage, regardless of ability to pay a fee.
- See more at: http://www.catholicweddinghelp.com/wedding-planning/02-contacting.htm#sthash.6FaSZ2kr.dpuf

We have told you that no Catholic parish would refuse you the Sacrament just because you cannot afford to pay a fee. We have told you how to go about it...but no!

You have decided that you must give the Church a bad name so you can hang it.

And you say I sound bitter. ..

Ukuts gp: Did i told you dat i pray through my pastor's names. @chukwudi

Did Chukwudi tell you that he prays in any name except God's?

@ kcjazz,

To be honest, I'm not here to say my Church is better than your Church.

You probably have a "church" but I dont per say. I only belong to the ONE Church that Jesus founded 2000yrs ago on the apostles.

So I am here to say Jesus' Church is the ONLY Church. All other "churches" founded by men are the reason for the many contradictory doctrines.

Jesus Church cannot, for example, teach that homosexuality is a sin, yet teach that it is not a sin.

Please point out any wrong comment I have made before I continue.

kcjazz: The thread question is simple. Some folks have answered and there are no Catholic haters. The Bible talks about false prophets in the last days so why bother yourself over the pastors taking themselves to court?

No Christian will argue that every church is of God but most are, all we need is the gift of discernment. Again always remember the goal - the great commission.

Even in the Roman Catholic church, there are divisions past, present and future. Some the Church has taken responsibility and apologised (Read... Memory and Reconciliation, The Church and the past). In the USA there are churches still under RC with female priests, is that not division? Here in Nigeria, the Catholic Charismatics are always in trouble due to their perceived "pentecostal practices" . Recently a diocese rejected a new Bishop based on tribal sentiments. Do we now call them Devils cos of their disagreements?

The Bible says "For where two or three are gathered in My name, I am in there midst" -Matthew 18.20. Also where two or three are gathered disagreements happen. Let us avoid all this my church is better than yours arguments, the work is much. Focus!

Please provide the names of these Churches. If you cant, would you kindly recant your statement.

We are not talking about divisions. That is not good but is to be expected.

We are talking about contradictory doctrines.

Can God's Church teach false doctrine?

Yes or no?

Ukuts gp: @okpurukata. Dont u know that many worship centres disguise themselve as church but they are shrine. U dnt nid a prophet to tell you that those churches are fake and satanic in disguise.

But i am most glad to tell you that where i worshipped do no such things.

Where do you worship, brother. So that we too might be saved.

Ukuts gp: @ chukwudi. From where also did u read in the bible that she did not die?

I dont think you have ever seen this verses.

John 11

25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; 26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”

italo: Ah-ah!

Okay. If a person believes in Christ, but continues to live in the worst sins, and he dies in his sins, is he still destined for heaven or is he not?

Please just give a clear honest answer.

Once again, a so-called Christian would rather twist or flee than give an honest answer.

Syncan: I hope for hersake, that she is a winner and not a loser that easily give up.

I pray...for her sake.

"He who lives and believes in me will never die."--Jesus Christ.

'She who lived and believed in you is no more'--Ukuts gp.

Talk about inventing anti-biblical doctrines.

jammyunn: Exodus 20:16 - Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

Ah-ah!

Okay. If a person believes in Christ, but continues to live in the worst sins, and he dies in his sins, is he still destined for heaven or is he not?

Please just give a clear honest answer.

Syncan: Haba @ OP, this is the church that organises mass wedding free of charge from anything for her members. This is a church that has Legion of mary that will do anything to ensure you are truly wedded. This is a church that has St.Vincent de paul society that helps non catholics materially, not to talk of one of theirs and for such a purpose. Dear one, no naa, no catholic church can deny a determined candidate the sacrament of matrimony just for their inability to pay such fees. In the villages, such fees accrue from groups like cyon, mary league etc that one should have identified with earlier, but all in all, if any one cannot trully foot the whatever fee (which is not that expensive everywhere), please approach the priest or any of the societies I mentioned, you'll be surprised.

I have already told her about the options of talking to the parish priest and mass wedding if the fee is beyond her means. Also, she says she is in the choir. How will a choir member not know that she cannot be denied the Sacrament just because she cannot raise a certain fee.

You know, when some people have made up their mind to condemn something...there might be nothing you can do about it.

To be born again (born of water and spirit) is to be baptized.

Meanwhile, has anyone noticed Joagbaje has runaway since I asked him if masturbation was a sin?

...even though he has been posting elsewhere.

This is because his answer will be contrary to that of some other protestants like him.

And we know that God's Church cannot teach that a sin is not a sin. If they did, it would mean that God's Church can teach what will send people to hell.

So instead of answering a question that would show that Protestantism isnt the Church Jesus founded on the apostles, he runs away!
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@ Ukuts gp, more questions for you which you pretended not to see before..

Thanks for offering to enlighten me. God bless you.

italo: No, it isnt. And it doesn't see itself as one. There is nothing like "denominations" i te ONE Church of Christ. "Denominations" is a tag fabricated by men to glorify their personal places of worship.

If you doubt, tell me when the word "denomination" was first used, by who, and what did it mean?

So you mean you know that your 1 billion "churches" aren't teaching the doctrine of Christ?!

They must be teaching that of the devil then. Hasnt the gate of hell prevailed against them then?

As a Christian, please answer my questions honestly for the good of your soul.

I love you. God love you.

If the Catholic Church has corrupted the Sacrament of Matrimony by adding human doctrine, why dont you go towhere they only administer the sacrament in its divine form, not corrupted and you wont have to pay a dime?

Why are you so particular about this Church that wants to extort your money and offer you corrupted sacrament?

Traditional, court wedding, muslim wedding, other "churches", you can even arrange one of these pastors to do it privately in your bedroom.

There are many many options, sweetheart

I wasnt talking to you o. I was talking to Alwaystrue.

Like I told you earlier. You win...so that you can be happy.

You say that a person that believes in Jesus but goes on to commit all the worst sins in the world is still destined for heaven.

Fine.

jammyunn: ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works.

amyg: Don't get sentimental my dear,Christ I love buh the so called Christians I dislike their attitude.I v notn against the sacrament buh those that v d authority 2 administer are deviating and making it so difficult

I asked you if you had asked a priest for an explanation. You didnt answer. I bet you havent...yet you have judged.

May you not be judged that way. Amen.

amyg: .this happens in dis country alone.u may want 2 analyse white wedding for what it truely is and those dat introduced it 2 us,u ll surely tell urself the truth.

The same thing you are complaining of is done outside Nigeria.

amyg: pls take me back 2 St valentine and why he is being celebrated

I dont think St. Valentine ever wedded a couple in a Church with choir, organists, altar boys, wardens, lectors going to rehearsals for weeks...and he sent them home hungry and broke. St Valentine wasnt that wicked.

And if St Valentine gave them a stipend, I dont think he plucked the money from trees. He must have got at least some of the money from couples who could afford it. And I believe the couples would have given him cheerfully because they knew he'd need it. Except they are stingy and stupid.

amyg: .so many human doctrines have been included.I will love to have a sacramental wedding buh am scared with the church demands

Why would you love a sacramental wedding if the demands of the Church are human doctrines.

If you have a court wedding, you will pay money to the government that will end up embezzling it. And you will not complain. If you have a traditional wedding, you will pay money. It is only when you have to contribute to God's Church that you people complain.

I have a solution for you: you and your would be husband should just stay at home and perform the wedding vows yourself. After all, it is the same human doctrine that you will obtain at the Church.

Then you can keep your #10000 and use it for things you consider more important...like DJ, wedding gown and suit, food n drinks, shoe n bag, hall, cake, decoration, souvenirs
Etc.

@ Ukuts gp, more questions you avoided earlier.

italo: But your 1 billion "denominations" use the same Bible which speaks for itself.

Why are they still in total confusion?

Is the Bible the pillar and foundation of truth or is it the Church?

Ukuts gp: The bible said that all scripture are given by the inspiration of God. 2 timothy 3:16. It didn't say by the inspiration of the catholics and mind you, it is not Acts of peters but Acts of the apostles.

"All scripture," not "the Bible."

When Paul wrote that, he was talking about the Old Testament. A book like Revelation wasnt even in existence then. So who told you that it is scripture?

Where does the Bible mention which books in the NT are scriptures and which ones arent?

Also, you need to read about Acts of Peter, Gospel of Barnabas and many other 'scriptures' that were available at the time the Bible was compiled.

Who decided that these books shouldn't be in the Bible?

Ukuts gp: Pertaining the issue of mary read this and get understanding.

JOHN 14:13-14.
And whatsoever you shall ask in my name, that will i do, that the father may be glorified in the son.
14. If you shall ask anything in my name, i will do it.

JOHN 14:6
Jesus says to him, i am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the father, but by me.

ACTS 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other. For there is no other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved.

HEBREWS 12:24.
And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaks better things than that of Abel.

1 TIMOTHY 2:5
For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the man christ Jesus.

Did u see mary in the picture in the scriptures given above? U can see that they all point to Jesus. Read philipian 2:8-10 yourselve. If u want more scriptures, ask and it shall be given you cos i have thousands of them to give if u can accommodate them.
By the way, where did God says that we should pray through mary. Calling her name in prayer. Thanks

I dont want thousands. I only want ONE that say "we should not pray through Mary."

...and none of these verses say that.

If you say we must not pray through Mary, you are the one inventing a doctrine.

Why do you believe that asking another person to pray for you to Jesus means you are side-stepping Jesus.

Sal C: I wonder why this ^^ man is yet to sleep.

My dear, I slept at the wrong time...now my eyes just dey shine...plus tomorrow's holiday too.

Sal C: Lol... I've seen it but decided to pardon him till he returns fully. You've saved his neck anyway... Amebor tinx!

Lol...

Sal C: Answering these^^^ questions honestly will open many peoples' eyes.

My prayer is that God's children can answer honestly.

Rich4god: My brother... I am having subscription problem... I just have to log-in after seeing my fellow Vincentians on nairaland. Will be fully back online probably by november. Thanks.

*whispering*

You better change "brother" to sister before Sal C sees it o. She's a lady, not a guy. I made the same mistake too.

*sneaks out*

Alwaystrue: To truly understand what the 'BELIEVE' and having faith in Jesus means please study the scriptures:
John 5:24; John 14:23-24; James 2:19-20; James 1:22-24; Luke 6:46, 47.

Experience has taught me that he will only look for a way to twist those verses to suit his own false doctrine. If he cant twist it because it is very clear, he'll pretend he didnt see it. That's why I didnt bother showing him those and many more.

Perhaps the one verse that speaks most directly to him is

James 2:20: "You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless?"

Rich4god: Wow... Am happy seeing my name being mentioned by Italo... Never knew people do notice my contribution. Am really happy that we Catholics are putting up our best to defend our faith. I do hope that the Holy Spirit will always give up the wisdom and inspiration needed to defend the mother church anywhere we found ourself. Remain bless. Glory to Jesus.

Well, people do notice...and God does too.

Let us also pray that the Holy Spirit puts love in our hearts for those who are ignorant of the faith, no matter how unloving they might be.

1Pet 3:15 Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect

It was our first Pope that said so.

@ Ukuts gp,

Just to bring back my questions that you deliberately avoided by saying you didnt want to "bandy words with anybody." As it turns out, that was false. You probably are ashamed to give honest answers to them.

Okay so when and where did God ever mention "Bible" in the Bible?

When and where did God say that the book of Mark is inspired and the Acts of Peter is not?

Where did God ever say "dont pray through Mary?"

It seems like you're the one inventing doctrines.

Again, dont say anything you are not sure of. It could turn out very embarassing for you. If you dont know, simply say "I dont know."

That is what honest children of God do.

Joagbaje: Self service is a bad habit .No denomination says it's ok .I'm only hearing it from you.

Is masturbation a sin or not, child of God?