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ENVY, EVIL & IGNORANCE.

The same reasons they regarded our master as demonic, blasphemous.

They said tufiakwa to him to...and he warned us: if they persecute me, they'll persecute you too.

Wetin dey scratch your body about the mother of God.

Abi are you the dragon in Rev. 12?

Who remembers the lady that opened a thread complaining about the fee charged for weddings.

She made many condemnations and would not accept any explanation or way out we were offering. She just wanted us to accept her labelling the priests as extortionists and exploiters.

Finally we asked her to give us concrete details of the occurrences to enable us lay a complaint to the Bishop.

It's over one week now and mama has disappeared.

She cant even give us the name of the parish.

But sha, maybe her connection expired.

JMAN05: I think you made a mistake there, ie if by the word apostles, you mean 12 apostles and Paul.

Stop helping him twist the meaning of his lie. He meant the 12 and Paul at most.

If he meant apostles in a broad sense, then can you help him explain what he means by:


"all the books of the NT used for teaching were writen by christ apostles"

"none apostolic writings has no basis to be considered as inspired like that of the apostles."

Who is an apostle and who isnt?

^^^

Now, you're saying the Bible is just any writing at all.

It is obvious you and us are not in the same world.

The Punch newspaper that comes out tomorrow morning is the Bible to you.

Your birth certificate is the Bible to you.

We are not in the same world, brother.

[quote author=♥Dεs•Chγκσ♥]Firstly, I don't think the cross is a 'curse thing'.. Before you succeed, you must sacrifice.. Before your crown, you must carry your cross. Secondly, it's most probably not a cross you saw but a crucifix pendant. Finally, you should not openly question a religious act or belief that doesn't affect your social human right and moral values. It's a step too far. I believe they have their reasons which they will explain if you ask politely and not condemn. Peace.[/quote]This post is making much sense.

darlynlara: Italo,ur first question was how dd I knw shE prayed to her,first I know she and peepz say sth dat goes 'dear mother of God pray for us' 'Hail mary full of grace? Hello its just like sayin halleluyah to God!

You said she prayed to the statue, not Mary. So I asked, how did you know she prayed to the statue?

Also are you aware that when we say "Hail Mary," we are repeating the words of God's angel. Are you saying God sent his angel to come to earth and worship Mary?

darlynlara: Secondly u mentioned if it is impossible to kneel to a statue and pray.The term aint appropriate for d sentence buh if by impossible u meant wrong den Yes, bcoz in d bible it clearly states JESUS as THE only Way, den ddnt u read my quote were God said never bow to any image or art man made or odawise.

You are saying that Joshua and the Israelites worshipped images when he prostrated before the Ark of the covenant in Joshua 7:6?

darlynlara: I'd also use these to answer ur third questn where u mentnd some oda christians raising bibles up high for Christ said u said it dey where holding it up not bowing to it or worshippin it.The reason they even held it in d first place was to read God's word inorder not to go astray, they were also praying for d promises in His words since it is His word he can't let it pass like that. Am not writng this just to argue but I care I don't want we christians to try and do what's right and on d last day be turned back bcoz we flaunted one commandment God held dear!

You are saying if someone holds the Bible high and kneels beneath it in prayer, it is okay? But if he bows beneath it, thats when it becomes worship?

If you kneel before you parents its okay, but if you bow before them, you worship them?

Or do you think its only images that can be worshipped?

Are you sure of all these you're saying?

Are you willing to learn with an open mind or have you made up your mind that all the images we have in our churches are our Gods?

truthislight: So, to you, the content of mark was of mark's originality or he was quoting what Jesus said ?

If comprehension is your problem, say so.

Luke reported what the apostles said and did in the book of acts, not his teachings.

Learn how to read and comprehen please.

"all the books of the NT used for teaching were writen by christ apostles"

Is that statement of yours true or false?

adsonstone: @Italo (The man that has all the integrity), don't lay false allegations against me. Read what you quoted, did I say you take the Catholic Church over the words of Christ?

I'm not like you who lives for lies. Here's your quote below. I have proof for what I say, unlike you.

adsonstone: Now his prophecy which was recorded in the bible has become a reference for you (I suppose that the reference should be from the Catholic Church since you take it to be superior to the recorded words of the Head of the Church)

adsonstone: Afterall, when I asked you, you rather diverted (mixed up the whole thing) by saying the head of the church is not in competition with the church.
What's in that quote reads 'you twisted an epistle of Apostle Paul to defend the superiority of the (catholic) church's decision over the epistles written to guide the church' which you actually did. You don't need to deny, it won't help you.

As usual, a false allegation. No evidence of how and where I twisted St. Paul's epistle to defend the superiority of the Church over scripture. No evidence that I even believe the Church is superior to scripture. It's like saying Nigeria is superior to the constitution. Is Nigeria competing with its own constitution which it put together? I'm not daft.

Just lies...nothing to prove it.

adsonstone: By the way, I never even said you have been replying Enigma, I said you have 'carefully refused to reproof (speak contrary to what He says) since you were exposed.'

When and where did I reproof the "Enigma" on this thread? When and where was I exposed? When and where did I stop reproofing him?

For you information I have not been reading 95% of what he's posting.

It's obvious you have nothing to add to this thread other than cheap lies and wild allegations without any evidence.

You've heard the early Church Fathers affirm the Pope, the Catholic Church, devotion to Mary, the Sacraments etc.

But because you live for lies, you would rather say they are Deeper Life members than Catholics.

So give me a new lie to muse over. The old ones are getting stale.

I hope you guys know that Catholic masses are now being shown on local and satellite tv on a daily basis.

There's a limit to the false information you van give in this 21st century, brothers.

Dont make us start posting videos of Catholic masses to disprove what you've said.

[quote author=sкчscrαρεr™]i'm not lying bro! Though i'm pentecostal but i have nothing against catholics because when i was in secondary school i used to attend a catholic organisation meeting because most of my friends were catholics and they were members too. But what i saw that day really shocked me, it was a big church attended mainly by rich people. I came late to meet them taking offerings so i had to call my friend who was already inside to come meet me outside cause the hall was filled to the brim. Even though they started taking the offerings before before i came the exercise lasted till the end of the service. Like i earlier said, it's a church attended mainly by rich people including renowned politicians. My head almost blew off with the amount of money i was hearing, people were giving 1m, 500k, 200k (no exaggeration) 100k, 50k, 20k, 10k, 5k, N500 and nothing less. They were collecting each money by family, they will announce the name of the family, the amount they're donating, and if it's huge, the kindof applaused they'll get will literally sweep you off your feet. (was that really necessary?) After they were done with the family category, they devised other means such as, community members, university polytechnic, ­college of education students, agape members, charismatic members, societal bla bla bla and other ridiculous or perhaps inconsequential group. The part that made me dumbfounded was when they asked football club fans to come drop their offerings. You needed to see gullible youth opening their teeth sheepishly while they danced to the alter. I was admist them though not before i felt it was proper but because i detest going to church without dropping an offering. I remember going with my friend to drop the offering with my friend who is a chelsea fan even though i am a die-hard fan of man united. As if that was not enough, the 'fada' had to come outside with a rubber kindof basket on his hands to collect offerings from the people who were standing outside. All these happened for about 3hours and even as they had to close the service because of time factor some families who were yet to pay their offerings were pleading but to no avail. After the service was over, i told my friend about the extravagant lifestlye of his church and we both laughed over it. Honestly, i will never forget that day.[/quote]What you are describing is Harvest which only happens once in 365 days. It is a day when the parishioners offer gifts as a community thanking God for his blessings the whole year.

Part of the idea is to raise money for the Church and the parishioners know this, thats why they come out to donate as much as possible...not because they're gullible.

However, there are individuals who see it as a time to show off...that isnt the idea. Such is to be expected in any human gathering.

Do you think its to much for parishioners to offer gifts in thanksgiving and to support their parish once in a year?

Again I say to you: if you claim to attend a Catholic Mass from beginning to end anywhere in the world and you didnt hear the gospel preached, you only saw offering from beginning to end...

You are a liar.

garripack: i am wandering if catholic churches preach the gospel at all once i went there all i saw were just mere prayers and some jamborees sorry to say so but i just want to know if catholic church preach the Gospel at all please don't be sarcastic

garripack: no body is lying it was what i experienced very simple

garripack: to me they don't preach real Gospel they just display sum preamble

First it was only mere prayers and jamboree, no gospel...

...later it's that they dont preach real gospel.

So they preach but it is fake gospel? No more "mere prayers and jamboree?"

I repeat: if you claim to attend a Catholic Mass anywhere in the world and you didn't hear the gospel preached, you're either deaf or a liar.

[quote author=sкчscrαρεr™]No they don't. The last time my friend invited me to a catholic harvest and it was offering all through.[/quote]What do you people gain from telling lies?

Hian!

garripack: i am wandering if catholic churches preach the gospel at all once i went there all i saw were just mere prayers and some jamborees sorry to say so but i just want to know if catholic church preach the Gospel at all please don't be sarcastic

They do.

You are liar if you say you went to a Catholic mass anywhere in the world and you didnt hear them preach the gospel.

Not being sarcastic, just blunt.

asamaigho: catholic lies everywhere.....
the church gave no devotion whatsoever to mary,..........

can you show us in the bible..........

How do you know? Was everything written in the Bible?

Is there any where the Bible says the early Church didnt have devotion to Mary?

Show me, good teacher.

asamaigho: Only God almighty must be worshipped

We agree. Even Muslims agree.

asamaigho: ...Jesus is the only way to God and not mary and angels noe any saints.

How did the couple in the wedding in Cana get to God?

My answer: through Jesus.

How did they get to Jesus?

Your answer?

asamaigho: do you understand christianity at all ? abi you think say christianity na ifa worship.

Explain Christianity to us, good teacher.

asamaigho: Mary is a role model for women no doubt ever, i respect her GREATLY even morethan catholics.

You sure say you respect Mary pass Catholics? Can you explain how?

asamaigho: Jesus never called mary His mother,instead he called her "woman".....see jn 2:4, jn 19:26

But the Holy Spirit called Mary the Mother of Jesus.

Amen?!

^^^

Whats the difference between spinning wheel and the lottery most parishes have (buy ticket, win a car etc)?

njideoby: This is no more news, The Church of Nigeria,Anglican communion has done this a long time ago and has continued to wax strong.

Its not about forming another denomination,but for de churches in other nations still paying allegiance to the Cantabury,Church of England to now go home and be strong and stand on their own like church of Nigeria.

Wetin again be "denomination?"

darlynlara: Do not make any IMAGE is bible an image? Couldn't she have prayed in the church? Catholics should come and defend themselves and their doctrine.

Can you give a clear answer to each of my questions?

It will help us arrive at the truth.

...that is if at all you seek the truth.

Dap07: lol..this statement is amazing!..what is now d essence of confession then??

When you confess you are forgiven your sins. But you will still pay for the sins either through suffering, prayer, good works etc.

It is very practical.

If you steal a large sum from your father and he forgives you, you still have to give back the money. In fact, that could be a sign that you are truly contrite. In addition, you still face the shame of what you've done...etc.

A biblical example is David. He confessed his sin and God forgave him but he still lost the Child he had with Uriah's wife.

God bless you.

darlynlara: I just had to I went to a friends church this morning and she excused herself to go and pray in a building that has the statue of mary,she knelt down and prayed to it if that is not worship what is it?

How do you know she prayed to it?

Is it impossible to kneel before a statue and pray to God?

...just like I see pentecostal friends kneel, hold their Bible high and pray...is it impossible that they can kneel before a Bible and pray to God?

Or should I just assume that they are worshiping their Bible when they do that?

babestell: The parish here in PH usually has 6 masses on sunday, but for bazaar and harevest they have one mass that starts at 8am and closes at 2pm or later. Imagine a parish like St Dominic's Yaba doing that of course people will port, there are more efficent ways to do harvest and still raise funds.

What?! 8am - 2am?! And after that you're supposed to wait behind for the bazaar.

Why dont they just have like 2 or 3 masses instead of having just 1 to replace 6?!

I remember experiencing something close to that when I visited Maiduguri (that was in fact when Boko started this violent campaign 2009), I was a visitor so I didnt know it was harvest Sunday. See me na...observing communion fast. Hunger almost killed me that day at mass. At a point I wasnt even understanding anything anymore. I went out of the mass to look for food but they wouldnt sell because mass was going on. That day was something else. Food I no chop; mass, my mind no dey. Shey it would have been better to "port."

Now I know why St. Dominic stretches much of harvest activities over a number of months (harvest season). It makes for a more relaxed harvest day.

Maybe they can borrow a leaf.

lorretta u: I'm not here to debate.
Merely stating my opinion.

It's okay.

You dont want to be asked any questions about your opinion.

We Catholics know that to worship mother Mary would be idolatry...

...that is why we would never do it.

Happy Sunday.

But what is wrong with the man?

Let us even imagine that the Priest deliberately blocked his way, is that the way to address the situation?

Many of our politicians are just advanced street thugs.

That's if the story's true.

lorretta u: I think the punishment Will go to the men who got them pregnant in the first place and refused to take responsibility.

Most pregnant young girls don't want to have an abortion.it's the rejection that pushes them to.

Yes. It is cruel for the man to reject the child and there'll be punishment for that.

But are you saying a girl that kills her child because the man rejected her will go unpunished?

Couldn't the rejection even be punishment for engaging in pre-marital sex?

aManFromMars: And when there's a law not to practice Christianity, what would you do?

That, we would call, a perversion of law, not law.

We would be right to practice anyway.

^^^

Ah! At least once a year.

My mistake.

[quote author=Q.Mark]Still wondering why the man/boy is not in your options. Abi na the girl inpregnate herself?[/quote]

cluewebhost: The man nko?

The father of the child is culpable in the killing IF he gives his consent to it. Not just him, but friends and family who consent and support it.

Syncan: What did you make out from my post?

Nothing. Zero.

Dap07: i think so, i gt a baptismal name and had my first HC..

If you commit sin, whether God forgives you or not, you will pay for it, in this world, in the next, or both.

That includes receiving communion in mortal sin.

The thunder you are worrying about could come in any form.

It could even be far worse than the literal thunder you speak of...or it could be milder.

May that not happen.