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frisky2good:
So Jesus Christ from the middle east was a white man, right?

So Benjamin Netanyahu, Prime Minister of Israel, is a black man, right?

Nina4u:
Leviticus 26:1King James Version (KJV)
Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the Lord your God...

What about the brazen serpent and Ark of the Covenant Cherubs?

Are they graven images or not?

Hahaha!

Amberon:
italo would still have a twist to this even when its clearly stated in the bible. No graven image. They won't hear. your church doctrines won't take you to heaven, your relationship or belief in God will.

What about the brazen serpent and Ark of the Covenant Cherubs?

Are they graven images or not?

Hahaha!

PastorOluT:
Just continue to delude urself, mary's worship is now d same as Jesus talkin to moses n Elijah?

Was Jesus asking favors from or praying to n thru moses n elijah?

Please, define worship.

PastorOluT:
Smile, typical of u. Cant exchange words with u, but for record purpose I will state the fact.

U aint defending Christ at all, all u do is defend ur gods church, mary, doctrines etc in relation to Christ n vice versa.

NB What I will just want to tell u is that u are on a dangerous path n no different from the atheist u delude urself fighting against. REPENT AND SEEK JESUS ALONE THAT YE MIGHT BE SAVED.

Your opinion, based on no evidence.

Here's evidence of me defending Christ against an unbeliever...when all the protestants/pentecostal who had been vilifying Catholics didn't say a word in his defence.

https://www.nairaland.com/2737934/why-mary-cannot-intercessor/2#41168889

Whoever makes you lie boldly like this cannot be Jesus.

PastorOluT:
I dont comment on ur post again, bt reading this cant just bt comment. U have being doing this for years n d question going thru my mind is, what exactly are u about?

Are u a Christian at all? Cos all ur post is about defending the catholic church, mary, doctrines etc, never for once Christ.

NB U definitely need to encounter Christ ASAP

Then you're a liar...because I often defend Christ before Atheists on this forum...when you're nowhere to be found.

Do you want me to provide the evidence that you lied against me, Mr "Christian?"

brocab:
Its not my opinion, it's Gods word.

It's not. God never said those.

brocab:
No-ones talking about error, it is you who believe its God's Church.
Another Church bites the dust. Everyone who have repented, had come out from the Catholic Church all say the same thing.
Someday you will realise the truth, But at least, I have a good word to give you-you do stick by your Church, even thru you don't believe in Christ fully.

All these are your opinion, not God's.

And you're not that sensible that your opinion should matter at all.

brocab:
You say its faultless-to whom is it faultless?
Your faultless isn't the truth.

It's God's Church. It cannot teach error. That's why you can't find error in it when you use your brain.

You can only find error with your misrepresentation of it.

KingEbukasBlog:
Please can you clarify me on the significance of the ark and why Joshua expressed his grief before the ark ?

My question was: In Joshua7:6 Did they bow to the images on the Ark or to God before the Ark? Please answer.

KingEbukasBlog:
It says "...in likeness of anything above in heaven " . You are making images of Jesus - an entity above in Heaven .

Exodus 20:4

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.


So are you saying all sculptures, paintings, pictures and drawings of landscape, trees, fish, humans, angels, saints, Jesus...are sinful? Please answer.

KingEbukasBlog:
What's the point of making these statues like the pagans . Why cant you just worship God in truth and in spirit like us

So Joshua was a pagan? Moses was a pagan? Anyway, we use the images for the same reasons Joshua and Moses used images: to draw our minds to the things of God...and God manifests his presence through such images when they are consecrated. Images don't detract from worshiping God in spirit and truth. Paul's handkerchief healed people. Does it mean he was a pagan. Why did he send his handkerchief instead of telling them to talk to God directly. Was Paul a pagan too?

KingEbukasBlog:
Hehe ... we will see who will cry at the end of this argument

What has crying got to do with anything. I said if you must argue against Catholic belief, do so. Don't make up beliefs for us and argue against your own lies.

preetyb:
Did Jesus christ command u to do that?. if that was neccesary Christ would have told us so through his words and you would be taking an image with u whenever u want to pray. Why bother making an image to be ur mediator when u can speak directly to God and he will hear?.

So the Bible is not necessary since Christ didn't tell any one to compile it (in the bible)?

Our images aren't mediators...just like the Cherubs in the Ark weren't mediators. That's you misrepresenting Catholic practice because you cannot find a fault with our real practice and belief.

adsonstone:
Until now, you've been unable to provide where he said 'Jesus never approved the rosary' yet, you want me to answer a question you asked as regards a statement you created in your head.


...meanwhile, my questions are unanswered.

Here are my questions again, for the fifth and final time;

1. Where did brocab claim that "when God speaks to an
individual, his word to the individual is not credible
enough?"
2. Why should I fight him or try to debunk him for saying
that God confirms his word to an individual withe
scriptures? Is it untrue?
3. If you believe his claim is an error...as you claim,
debunk it with reasonable proofs...


Simple questions!

Begging for answers.

When you want answers badly enough, you'll answer my questions.

brocab:
Mary is a human being-flesh and blood-she isn't a God, nor is she God's Son-nor the Holy Spirit.
You worship her as she is your savour, she isn't, She is blessed like everyone else who believe are blessed-of course she was the Mother of Jesus-matter of fact on this forum-I haven't heard you, nor the others praising God the Father of Jesus, as much as you have given it all' to Mary.
Not even Jesus receives Her glory" you have given to her.
How can you say you know Christ, when really you don't even acknowledge Him?
You are bowing down to flesh and blood, a sinner, like us.
Yes Mary was a woman of great courage-she paid the price, keeping her faith towards God.
Elisabeth also showed great courage towards God, and she was rewarded {Blessed} who gave birth to John the baptise, he called people to repentance, and to a covenant relation with God.
Both women were blessed. Yet you don't worship Elisabeth-she is also flesh and blood.
Revelation 19:10 "At this I fell at his feet and I worshipped him, but he said to me, don't do that, I am a fellow servant with you, and with your brothers and sisters, to hold to the testimony of Jesus. "WORSHIP GOD" For it is the Spirit of prophesy who bears the testimony of JESUS.

What you wrote is your belief, not Catholic belief.

You can't argue against our belief (because it is faultless)...so you falsify beliefs for us and argue against your own lies.

vooks:
The boy has run out of wits
There is no difference, both are paganism which God banned among his people

If it is paganism to talk to Mary, it was paganism when Jesus talked to Moses and Elijah.

dhateeboi:
So that mean every other things he said in the bible only refer to the people he was talking to at the time?

Man, face the fact!!
He was saying "Nobody" has heard nor seen Him!!
Period

I didn't see "nobody" in the verse.

You want to force it in there just to make your non-existent case.

@Dhateeboi

Jesus told a group of People in John5:37 that they had never heard God's voice.

Does that mean that nobody had ever heard God's voice?

preetyb:
Am not against any one or anything. Besides what makes u so sure that what ever face u see and is called Jesus is truely Jesus? Cus as far as I know there are many faces being molded or drawn as Christ. Don't u think it is also wrong for u to be calling the image of someone else Jesus? The bible gave a very clear and understandable commandment that we should not bow down to any graven images ”in likeness of anything in heaven or earth” don't u get it?. We are all christians and we believe in christ therefore we should also believe in his teachings.

How do you know/Israelites know that the faces of the Cherubs in the Ark were actually the Cherubs?

So if 100 painters paint Buhari differently, does that mean they aren't all paintings of Buhari.

We don't bow down to any image...though we may bow to God before an image...like Joshua and the Israelites did in Joshua 7:6. Did they bow to the images on the Ark or to God before the Ark?

brocab:
Only if you want too.

Who did God send his Angel to Hail in Luke1:28?

brocab:
"So" still No hail Mary. She was only blessed because she believed-Like we are blessed because we believed.
If you had given all your time over to Jesus, instead of His Mother, you too will receive His Blessings.
Mary can-not save you, she can-not take you to heaven, she can not pray for you, only Jesus is our mediator between Himself and God.

Luke1:48 Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid; for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
Special woman that the Holy Spirit caused Elizabeth to feel unworthy of her visit. Luke1:43.

That's why you want us to remove Luke1 from the bible.

vooks:
True, and Jesus full of the Holy Spirit tells a woman who said he EXACT words that more blessed are those who listen to Him.

So, Mary was not mistaken nor was the woman but am more if not equally blessed as Jesus' mother.

There is a blessedness that exceeds Jesus paternity; heeding to His Word. While Catholicism worships demons in the name of Mary,I choose to believe Jesus' words.

And finally, Mary's blessedness in her life does not make her a mediator between man and Jesus. This is another Catholicism invention to justify demon worship.

So to you, Luke1:41-45 was not inspired by the Holy Spirit?

brocab:
You keep on calling us Mary haters, you know this isn't true, we are correcting you with the word of God, and it's you-who's protesting against it.

Luke1:41 When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the child leaped in her womb. And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit 42 and exclaimed with a loud cry, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb. 43 And why has this happened to me, that the mother of my Lord comes to me? 44 For as soon as I heard the sound of your greeting, the child in my womb leaped for joy. 45 And blessed is she who believed that there would be[e] a fulfillment of what was spoken to her by the Lord.”

So Luke1:41-45 is not the word of God?

brocab:
Luke 1:28 "The angel went to her and said, Greetings, you are highly favoured! The lord is with you.
So you can see-No Hail Mary. The KJV only says hail-still No-Mary

"Hail" to who?

Brocab?

dhateeboi:
Guys, I'm sorry for bringing this up
I just get to see it and I really want to share
We don't have to bring any other thing up trying to evade or escape from it pls
If u think u don't have a nice response to it, kindly do not quote at all.

Jesus who is supposed to be a Lord and personal saviour was tempted by the devil.

I mean, Satan tempted God with what he created..

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Sister Ruth Ezekiel from The Church of Christ on Stage




Sister Ruth asked, Whose voice was heard in Matthew3:17?


" And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."


The answer is "we don't know" because Jesus said,
John 5:37.


"And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape."



If what Jesus said was true, then the voice in Matthew 3:17 was not from God.

The people Jesus was talking to in John5:37 were likely not present in Matt3:17.

KingEbukasBlog:
Oh ... God actually warned you from the onset .

Google "catholics kneeling before Jesus' statue" and tell me what came to your mind first

Then know if the outcome relates with this

Leviticus 26:1

26 Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the Lord your God.

We don't bow down to any image...though we may bow to God before an image...like Joshua and the Israelites did in Joshua 7:6. Did they bow to the images on the Ark or to God before the Ark? Please answer.

KingEbukasBlog:
Exodus 20:4

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

So are you saying all sculptures, paintings, pictures and drawings of landscape, trees, fish, humans, angels, saints, Jesus...are sinful? Please answer.

KingEbukasBlog:
You are praying , kissing , acknowledging statues as Jesus - the bold words condemn such

We acknowledge the Statue of Jesus as 'The Statue of Jesus.' We don't acknowledge it as Jesus.

Why don't you argue against our belief...rather than falsifying beliefs for us and arguing against your lies

preetyb:
If I tell u will u believe?

preetyb:
Mtcheew

I see you have no meaningful thing to say against this statue of Jesus.

Stop allowing yourself to hate someone or something so much that you'll just be antagonizing them for no reason.

May the peace of the Lord be with you.

brocab:
Firstly it doesn't say Hail Mary-maybe its written in your Catholic bible.

So what does Luke1:28 say in your Protestant "bible?"

Hail Brocab?

vooks:
Please do yourself a favor and THINK.

Elizabeth thinks Mary is special just as this other woman. The other woman does not hesitate to tell Jesus how special his mother is. What does Jesus do?

He tells the woman who thought Mary was blessed that all wo obey Him are blessed. What does this mean? Mary is not special.

You are a pagan and son of Beliaal that's why you keep arguing with Christ.

Receive a double portion of common sense in Jesus Name

It wasn't Elizabeth that thought Mary was special. It was the Holy Spirit.

Luke1:41 When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the child leaped in her womb. And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit 42 and exclaimed with a loud cry, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb. 43 And why has this happened to me, that the mother of my Lord comes to me? 44 For as soon as I heard the sound of your greeting, the child in my womb leaped for joy. 45 And blessed is she who believed that there would be[e] a fulfillment of what was spoken to her by the Lord.”

vooks:
You have been warned,
Keep worshiping Devils and you will end up in the lake of fire with him

You been warned

Warned by an iddiot, not God.

preetyb:
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Of course I know that, but he was actually going somewhere with that and at the end he will twist the bible passage to favour his church doctrine.

More baseless insinuations.

preetyb:
My problem is ur belief.

Okay, God is not against images. Good.

So what about my belief is giving you sleepless nights and why?

vooks:
She kept THOSE words shared by the angel. How is she superior to you in the light of what Jesus Christ the Son of the Living God said?
That woman was deluded as yourself that since Jesus was this powerful, His mother must have been somebody special. Jesus quickly her; if there is any blessedness in his paternity,it is exceeded by listening to Him!

Luke1:41 When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the child leaped in her womb. And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit 42 and exclaimed with a loud cry, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb. 43 And why has this happened to me, that the mother of my Lord comes to me? 44 For as soon as I heard the sound of your greeting, the child in my womb leaped for joy. 45 And blessed is she who believed that there would be[e] a fulfillment of what was spoken to her by the Lord.”

Because God the Holy Spirit inspired Elizabeth to perceive Mary her little cousin as superior.

vooks:
Necromancy as we have already established is satanism and witchcraft but is a key doctrine in Catholicism.
Idolatry is another.

Little wonder Revelation calls Catholicism Babylon the Great H@rlot

We will only take an iddiot that says the above when he shows where Catholic doctrines encourages necromancy and the bible claimed Catholicism is Babylon the great.