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adsonstone:
Before posting, I have read the op and observed your discourse with the guy (Brocab).

He did not mention or state that all Jesus said or did was in the bible, you implied that.

His argument against the rosary is simply that it has no seeming reference or recommendation from or in the scriptures/bible, rather, it seems to be against it.

Bros, I know you've always been dishonest and dubious, but haba! Read this post below and claim the above again...and also claim that he wasn't implying that 'if Jesus mentioned/approved it, it would be in the bible.

brocab:
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The rosary is not mention in scripture because its a human invention. It's not of God , it does not provide forgiveness of our sins, relief from punishment, or certain graces, nor does it give us victory over hell.

Is it wrong and hypocritical for me to say 'Jesus never mentioned Bible too' to someone who said the above and also said Jesus didn't approve the Rosary?

adsonstone:
With the bold, you have already proven my point, your claim is debunked.

You falsely claimed that Jesus "never told anyone to write anything"

That's settled, you lied and it was exposed spoke in ignorance...and it was debunked. No need for lame stories.

My point isn't debunked.

Jesus never told John to write his other books, or the other apostles to write any books. He never told anyone to compile any book and call it Bible. He never told Kumuyi to start Deeper Life...in the Bible.

Here's my point: You Protestants believe that the fact that the Bible doesn't record something explicitly doesn't mean that Jesus doesn't approve it. So to claim that 'the Rosary isn't approved because it wasn't mentioned in the bible' is hypocritical. Do you agree?

adsonstone:
Just like you have no proof that 'drinking petrol' was not commanded by God, yet you condemn it repeatedly.

Anyone, including I, have the right to condemn anything I like. I have never claimed that "God didn't command it," so I don't have to prove what I didn't claim.

I really think it's fine if you stubbornly believe that God commanded your pastor to feed you petrol. I won't pester you to prove it unless you start to condemn my own practices...under the guise of having a logical discussion. I'd rather leave you to relish your obstinate stupidity in peace.

adsonstone:
My statement is a comparison with your statement...when you said; "Jesus never condemned the Rosary, why do you condemn it?"

...and I suggested that rather than that, you should show where Jesus approved it.

There's no issue with that.

Why should I show you where Jesus approved the Rosary? Did I come to you asking you to pray the Rosary or did your fellow Protestants come on this public thread, condemning the Rosary?

Did you ever ask for proof of where Jesus approved the compilation of the bible before reading it?

Yet you claim am being hypocritical. Is it not hypocrisy to ask me to show where Jesus approved the rosary when you dont do same for the bible and the foundation of Deeper Life?

*begging for answer.

adsonstone:
Oh, you were speaking in ignorance?

Then, what's the certainty that more of what you've said have not been in ignorance...and could be untrue?

I asked if it passes for a lie. You skipped.

adsonstone:
I do not hate you, neither do I envy you.
It will not just be okay for me, claiming to be a Christian, yet watch another who claims the same say untrue things to others...eg "Jesus never commanded anyone to write anything."

Only, you suddenly go blind when the untrue things are said about Catholicism. E.g when Emilo2stay said on this same thread that the Catholic Church admitted that the Rosary was adopted from paganism...and made no attempt to prove it. That's your idea of being "Christian." I think it's hatred and envy.

adsonstone:
Besides, if you believe Brocab is senseless as you said, why can't you simply ignore? Or is the urge to talk to him just to much to resist?

To further expose his senselessness.

adsonstone:
NB: I'm not condemning your rosary or the use of your rosary.

I see you're no longer claiming to be correcting my 'lies and hypocrisy.'

It is clear that you're the one being hypocritical...asking me to provide proof of Jesus approval when you never asked/provided proof of Jesus' approval of bible or founding of Deeper Life.

EMILO2STAY:
u are decieving urself, continue in your self induced ignorance.

If repeating the words of the Angel Gabriel...(Luke 1:28) and that of the Holy Spirit (luke1:43) is ignorance.

Then I want to be ignorant forever.
God bless that Holy Ignorance!

EMILO2STAY:
u are still beating around the bush were is the rosary prayer bead mentioned in the scriptures, which apostle used prayer bead for prayer. Open ur eyes u are neckdeep into idolatry.

The same verse where "the Bible" is mentioned in the bible.

ByfireByfire:
1. A saint in heaven can see and hear what's happening on earth but not all at the same time. That will be omniscience which they don't possess. Stop putting me on repeat. If I just know you are playing games I cease to reply.

Can you show where the Bible said the bold. (I believe I haven't asked you this before, so I'm not making you repeat yourself)

Do believers share in the Divinity of God?

Does God's Divinity exclude his omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence or does it include them?

ByfireByfire:
2. I made the matter very clear. The focal point is that Mary is neither of both which is what you should be bothered with.

I see. You believe that Jesus who died and rose can intercede. You believe that the Holy Spirit can intercede. You believe that Christians on earth(who are still sinning) can intercede. But you believe that Christians who have gone to glory and now see God face to face cannot intercede. Lol.

Saints are like angels.

Do you believe that angels intercede?

The 24 elders in Rev5:8 that are carrying our prayers to God. They're not interceding?

daviddext:
Even though a dead man comes from the dead to tell many people now that Hell fire exist they will call him mad. They will say "he is talking rubish"
Unbelieving generation. Only God can deliver you. But woe unto those who falls into the hand of the LORD God because nobody can deliver them?
Please I beg you, Flee from the wrath to come!!!

Don't say this is rubbish because the angels of God are beside you now taking record of your thoughts and words. You shall give account of them when you stand before Jesus to be judged. Amen

You're talking rubbish!

adsonstone:
Proof?
Evidence?

Do you know everything Jesus ever mentioned to know the ones He didn't mention?

Or is this another wild/weird imagination/assumption from your head?

This is what happens when you just jump into a discussion mid-way without knowing the context of what is being said.

I was replying to someone who by his statements had been implying that everything Jesus said or did must be in the Bible.

My question tacitly assumes that the reader understands that I meant that Jesus never mentioned "bible" in the bible... Just like you said "Jesus never condemned 'drinking petrol'" below.

Do you have proof of that?

Don't let your envy and hatred for me drive you to stupidity.

adsonstone:
Lie!

Revelation 1:19


"Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;"

Maybe Italo was the one speaking there.

OK. Jesus told John to write in Revelations. But he never told John to write his other books, or the other apostles to write any books. He never told anyone to compile any book and call it Bible. He never told Kumuyi to start Deeper Life...in the Bible.

adsonstone:
The OT was before Jesus.

The NT was written after Jesus. So?

This again shows what can happen when you jump into a discussion without understanding the context.

I was answering a guy who was condemning the Rosary because 'The Rosary came after Jesus' by telling him that the New Testament and the Bible as a whole (as we have it today) came after Jesus.

Don't let disdain for my name drag you so low to the level of Brocab's senselessness.

adsonstone:
Why should anyone believe you?

Do you have any proof?

1. The guy asked us to test the Spirit to know if the Rosary is good...after he had condemned the Rosary (without giving proof that the Spirit told him it was bad). He didn't ask me to provide proof...and I owe him no proof.

2. I don't care if you believe me. I offer you no proof. You too have no proof that the Rosary is not good or that God didn't confirm to me that it is good.

adsonstone:
Jesus never condemned 'drinking petrol,' why do you condemn it?

Again I was answering some who was implying that everything Jesus said/approved/disproved must be stated in the Bible. I hope you can understand this at the third attempt.

adsonstone:
Rather, you should show where Jesus approved the Rosary.

Why should I show you where Jesus approved the Rosary? Did I come to you asking you to pray the Rosary or did your fellow Protestants come on this public thread, condemning the Rosary?

Did you ever ask for proof of where Jesus approved the compilation of the bible before reading it?

Yet you claim am being hypocritical. Is it not hypocrisy to ask me to show where Jesus approved the rosary when you dont do same for the bible and the foundation of Deeper Life?

adsonstone:
NB: I'm not against your use of Rosary, this post is just to show your lies and hypocrisy.

It didn't occur to me that Jesus told John to write in Rev1:19. Does that pass for a lie?

State the hypocrisy!

You're 'not against the Rosary' but you couldn't resist the urge to attack once you saw my name.

brocab:
Why am I condemning the rosary's hmmmm lets see, Hail Mary Mother of God-because its not scriptural. And everyone knows when God speaks He talks scripture.
Be honest you heard from Uben.

Luke1:28 And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women


43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

So Luke is not scripture abi?

brocab:
I believe you the rosary's were given to you by the Catholic Church, not God; finely you have found room in your heart to come up with the truth. Praise the Lord.
The word belongs to God, not the Catholic Church, over the centuries many have translated the Holy scriptures into a book called the bible, sending the word of God out to the open' so all man kind could understand the hidden secrets about Christ.
In their long journeys of hardship, hundreds risking their lives were murdered by the Catholic Church.
This same Church you swear by.

The Bible and Rosary are not mentioned in the Bible.

They were both given to us by the Catholic Church.

God confirmed to me that they're both from him.

johnw74:
The New World Translation is the only adulterated bible version that I know off,
and the so called Jehovah's Witnesses are not Christian, no matter what they say.
I for one have no problem with NIV and KJV

johnw74:
@bold, I agree with those protestants.

You say the NWT is adulterated. Your fellow Protestants say NIV, KJV and other versions are adulterated.

So which "truth" have Protestants known that the Catholic Church was preventing you from knowing?

brocab:
Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of their womb Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray fro sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen.

The Roman Catholic Church claims that praying the rosary property venerates Mary since they claim.
Mary has by grace been exalted above all Angels and by Men, to a place second to her Son, as the most holy Mother of God, who was involved in the mystery's of Christ; she is rightly honoured by a special cult in the church.
From the earliest times, the Blessed Virgin is honoured under the title of the Mother of God, whose protection the faithful take refuge together in prayer in all their perils and needs.
Mary is also considered by Catholic's as a co-mediator and a co-redeemer.
The Roman Catholic Church states that the rosary's encompasses the gospel. Praying the rosary is also said to provide special graces and protection against various evils, including false teachings, praying the rosary's is said to provide partial removal of the punishment that we deserve for our sins, while we are here on earth.
The Roman Catholic Church also teaches that a person can also earn a complete "relief" from all stored up punishment at the time they pray the rosary, receiving the sacraments of confession, receiving the Eucharist, and offering prayers to the Pope.

So what does scriptures say?
It is important for us to ask the key question, "Does the bible ever refer to the rosary?" If it did then the rosary might be important. If it does not, then how important is the rosary?
The answer to these question are, the bible does not mention it. In fact Mary doesn't even appear after Acts 1.
The rosary is not mention in scripture because its a human invention. It's not of God, it does not provide forgiveness of our sins, relief from punishment, or certain graces, nor does it give us victory over hell.

IN FACT GOD HAS GIVEN US DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.

The Bible and Rosary are not mentioned in the Bible.

They were both given to us by the Catholic Church.

God confirmed to me that they're both from him.

brocab:
Jesus mentioned the word of God, which we now have it written in the bible.
Jesus never condemned the rosary's because the rosary's came after Jesus.
His word had condemned your idols.

Jesus never mentioned "bible."

He never told anyone to write anything.

The NT/Bible came after Jesus.

God confirmed to me that the Rosary is from him.

Jesus never condemned the Rosary, so why are you condemning it?

dhateeboi:
Ofcosh not..
kindly tell me where else we can find things said by Jesus?

And wait... why not follow the said he vividly said in the Bible before looking for some somewhere?

If Jesus said things outside the bible and you don't know those things, then you cannot claim that he never said "Christianity" and "3-in-1 God."

Period.

ByfireByfire:
Stop pretending as though you don't already understand this matter. You tried to make Mary equal to God by making her an intercessor and mediator and giving her all manner of reference reserved only for God. I simply showed you that she and all other Saints are like God in nature and holiness but never never ever like God in power, authority, omniscience and the rest.

You don't need to force a lie on us because your false argument is contradicting the Bible. You said Mary is not like God. The Bible said she is. The verse didn't mention "nature" or "holiness." You manufactured that. Even if it did, does God's nature exclude omnipresence?

Also do you believe that Mary knows all?

(be careful with your answer...so you don't contradict the Bible for the third time)

ByfireByfire:
Just pretend as though you don't know that this Scripture you quoted said nothing whatsoever to refute my comment you bolded.

Here's what you said:

When 1 billion Catholics pray the prayers don't enter the presence of God, angels and saints at the same time

Rev5:8 When he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell before the Lamb, each holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.

Heb12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, 23 and to the assembly[g] of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God the judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.

The above is evidence that all Catholics and their prayers do enter the presence of God, Angels and Saints at the same time.

I just dunno why you expect me to believe you and disbelieve the bible.

ByfireByfire:
Your own shallow understanding falls short. Those in eternity are not constrained by time and space... agreed ! But do they possess God's exclusive ability of omnipresence? Can one of them be in a million places at the same time? The answer is NO!!

Can the Saints see/hear what is happening on earth?

ByfireByfire:
Catholics project Mary as both an intercessor and a mediator. Functions that belong exclusively to The Holy Ghost and Christ Jesus. Believers in Christ that are yet alive can also intercede for each other and we are admonished to pray for one another but there is no record from Genesis to revelation where anyone ever prayed(as a pattern) or was commanded by God to pray through saints that have passed on to glory.

Which one is it? Only the Holy Spirit and Jesus are mediators and intercessors...or The Holy Spirit, Jesus and believers?

Are the Saints alive or dead?

ByfireByfire:
Saul the king of Israel tried it and it was accounted to him for divination. 1 sam. 28:8,9

You need to learn what 'divination with the help of a witch' is. You're criticizing in ignorance.

dhateeboi:
I know!! he neither called himself a Christian not proclaim Christianity as a religion before God.


Likewise he feared being tagged God
Mathew 15:9 John 8:28 John 14:28 Mark 12:29 Luke 23:46 Mark 13:32 Psalms 121:4 Luke 5:16



for more qoutations!!
www.nairaland.com/2798715/some-important-often-over-looked-verses

Are you saying that anything that cannot be found in the bible wasn't said by Jesus?

Everything that Jesus said is in the Bible?

daviddext:
GOD'S JUDGEMENT AGAINST ROMAN CATHOLISM PURELY ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE IS:

I D O L A T O R Y ! ! ! ! ! ! !

Lol.

So any rubbish that emanates from your brain is "God's judgement?"

dhateeboi:
One God?
But there are three person in a God??
u dare call God person??


That one no pain me!!
Didn't jesus feared that people will tag him as God somaw??
Did he ever during his lifetime even mentioned anything like 3in1??

did he even mentioned christianity

I don't know if Jesus mentioned those terms.

Do you know?

dhateeboi:
I accept that.. are u now saying there is just one God?
Jesus is not the Son of God has he has said that he's not??
Mary is not God and not the Holy, as there is only one God

Three person in one God - Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Mary is not God.

Catechism 101.

dhateeboi:
Even another part of the bible said none but God is worthy to be worship.. M jesus feared that people will worship him in vain..
He also said God is one
now y 3 gods?
and now Mary is God?


And u all tend to have proofs from so called bible u tagged Holy
isn't that enough evidence that the book is never holy..
Written by some people??
can't we think straight?

You are the one claiming that there are three gods..

...and that there are three Gods.

It seems you're the one not thinking straight.

EMILO2STAY:
are u even a sane person how is this an evidence for the rosary. When christ taught the apostles, did he use a rosary? Why are u soo dishonest your bias towards the catholic church has blinded you, where is the rosary mentioned in our lords prayer. Did christ teach them prayers using the chaplet? What is wrong with u. Did christ tell apostles to pray to mary? An angel greeted mary was that an insruction to the christians to pray to mary? U have been deceived beyond reedemption and have refused knowledge. Sorry.

The verses I gave you show the prayers of the Rosary are from the Bible.

If you want the word Rosary in the bible, you'll find it in the same verse you'll find "bible."

Did Christ use a bible?

Did Christ tell the apostles to write any books?

Did Christ tell anyone not to pray to Mary?

You have been deceived. Sorry.

EMILO2STAY:
funny how an unrepentant lier is calling me a lier, u are just trying to save face and replying for the sake of replying. I repeat if u continue in ur ignorant ways u will perish.

You said the catholic church admitted that the Rosary was adopted from paganism.

That was a lie.

No?

...and sorry, people don't perish for exposing your lies.

EMILO2STAY:
show me the verse in the bible that supports rosary simple.

Luke1:28 And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

Luke1:42 And she cried out with a loud voice, and said: Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

Matt6:9 Pray then like this:

“Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name.
10 Your kingdom come,
your will be done,
    on earth as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day our daily bread,
12 and forgive us our debts,
    as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation,
    but deliver us from evil.

Etc.

Now show me the verse that condemns the Rosary.

And the verse that says anything not found in the bible is from the devil.

ByfireByfire:
A similar verse also says thus:

Gen.1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness....

The two verses do not suggest equality with God in personality, functionality, power, omnipotence and such like else man would already be like God from creation.

The verses simply speak of being like God in holiness and in saintly nature.

You're the one suggest equality with God not me.

What you said was that "Mary is not like God, can never be like God, will never be like God."

While the Bible says 'Mary is like God.'

Who should we believe? You or the Holy Spirit.

ByfireByfire:
When 1 billion Catholics pray the prayers don't enter the presence of God, angels and saints at the same time else we won't need Jesus as a mediator and the Holy Spirit as intercessor. They pass through Jesus Christ the mediator.


When such prayers arrive at the presence of God at once through the equally omnipotent mediator, God alone has the ability to distinctly discern and process each of those prayers arriving at once by His Omnipotence. The Angels and saints have no such ability.


It will take several Angels working together and for a longer duration to be able to achieve what omnipotence and omniscience can achieve at once.


I'm extremely busy now so I'll tender scriptures when I get home by night.

Heb12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, 23 and to the assembly[g] of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God the judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.

Is the Holy Spirit lying in that verse?

EMILO2STAY:
my friend shut up if u have no proof for the rosary, i have no tolerance for people who defend lies. The word God stands sure and pure but man has added to the word of God and tainted the church with deciet nd curruption, many today have been decieved but are not aware of it due to the traditions of men in the church of God today. People like u and italo have refused knowledge and likely to perish in ur ignorance if u continue in ur ignorant ways the bible has giving christians every single insruction they need to live a good christian life but the devil through some so called church fathers have added to the word of God thereby bringing damnation to themselves and those who reject the commandment of God for the traditions of men like the both of u.

You don't even know that it was the same Church Fathers that you're accusing that chose some books and called them "Bible -word of God."

And you still haven't shown the verse that mentions "Bible."

...and you haven't mentioned the verse that condemns the Rosary.

EMILO2STAY:
u are a lost course mr, prepare to meet ur father the devil.

Lol.

People aren't lost just because they expose your lies.

People don't go to hell just because Emilo2stay says they'll go to hell.

Not until God makes you the gatekeeper of hell.

EMILO2STAY:
u are busy talkinjg trash, were can u find support for the rosary in the bible??, if u cant be honest to at least be honest to urself.

I have posted verses supporting the Rosary earlier. Read my earlier posts.

You have not posted a single verse that says "the Rosary is bad."

You cannot show where the Catholic Church claims the Rosary was adopted from paganism because you're lying.

ByfireByfire:
Angels and Mary cannot hear billions of prayers because they're not omniscient, they are not omnipresent and they are by no means omnipotent. These qualities are the exclusively reserved to God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost alone.

Do you believe that when 1 billion Catholics pray, we are all entering the presence of God, Jesus, Angels and Saints at the same time?

ByfireByfire:
Mary is not like God, can never be like God, will never be like God and certainly will never be God as Catholics make her out to be.

So this verse is lying:

1John3:2 Dearly beloved, we are now the sons of God; and it hath not yet appeared what we shall be. We know, that, when he shall appear, we shall be like to him: because we shall see him as he is.

urahara:
I laugh in Arabic. Christians always arguing among themselves. They can't even agree on even their own bible. You say your God is not the author of confusion and yet you people are so divided and confused. ;DI laugh in Arabic. Christians always arguing among themselves. They can't even agree on even their own bible. You say your God is not the author of confusion and yet you people are so divided and confused.

Christianity is just the same as any other religion.like any other religion you are all divided. This is to be expected when your religion is made up by ordinary men just like you and I.

Division doesn't mean absence of truth.

dapipson:
prove it with the Bible as reference.

Which 'Bible?'

The one that The Catholic Church compiled in 382AD?

Mary remains our powerful mother and intercessor before her son.

Even if you kill yourself in protest, she will remain so.

When the Catholic Church was trying to prevent the adulteration of the Bible, protestants said they were preventing people from knowing the truth.

Now protestants are confessing that they have adulterated their 'bible.' (NIV, KJV).

@byfirebyfire

Can God and the Angels hear billions of prayers at the same time and attend to them?

Do you believe that Mary is like God and like Angels?