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Jeromejnr:
No. The same one you said God wants u penniless and for you to die broke.

Now you're telling blatant lies.

Quote where I said it.

You won't...because you can't.

You have no problem telling lies because you are serving satan the father of lies...who you said is the source of the bible.

Jeromejnr:
A good question for yourself.

If you can bow down and worship statues and completely go against the ordinance of scriptures then you seriously need to ask yourself that question.

Which scriptures?

The same one you said is satanic?

Jeromejnr:
Run along now bro.

You have nothing constructive to say.

Except that you can't claim not to be protestant while you worship the protestant bible.



So you should look into your pastors feeding you snakes, petrol and feeding your mothers, sisters and daughters semen...all these in church

Jeromejnr:
You know, it's just today I knew they called Mary queen of heaven.

What of the old testament scripture that speaks against that

Na wa o.

Na wah for protestant ignoramuses o...

So because Nebuchadnezzar was called King of kings...

...and a false god was called Queen of heaven...

It is now sinful to have the real King of kings, Queen of heaven, and God?

Do they collect your brains in your churches shops?

Jeromejnr:
Lol

I am not even a protestant. So don't think you are nailing me on anything.

Team Jesus.

Yet you use the protestant bible...

Or did you reconstruct yours?

misreal:
hahahahhahahah..the things of the spirit is foolishness to carnal men..my brother,even if I start giving you answers to all your questions you will still not believe..am not scares of you or your questions sir..please stop worshing the queen of heaven..she is a demon...lol..

You're scared. That's why you'd rather say any other thing under the sun...than answer them.

dmandy:
Is this guy for real? Which other feedback na?
This hide and seek will take you no where, if for no other thing, why not be sincere knowing that some non-Christians might have something to learn from us.
I gave you my feedback, you said no summary. What am I supposed to do for crying out loud.
Is my question foolish and irrelevant as usual?
How long did it take God to create the universe? Even your friends has deserted you.

Be patient. He's looking for answer from his god (his cartoonist)

misreal:
I also hope that they know that no priest,bishop,pastor or even pope will stand in judgement for them.all men will stand for themselves.the time yo know the truth is now because after death..the pope lied will not be an excuse.

Pope that compiled the bible in 382AD.

Maybe he lied about the compilation too.

Clown.

misreal:
my man,arguing about this things will never solve the problem.have you ever succeeded in convincing anyone about your faith..but let it not be heard anywhere that you were not warned of the dangers of living in sin..let those who have ears,hear what the spirit is saying.

Yet you argue...

Until you are asked question that will expose your error...

then you flee...and say "I don't want to argue."

Go and tell your pastors who say 'once saved always saved...even if you keep sinning'...about sin, not me.

I know it already.

OLAADEGBU:
I'll answer your questions provided they are relevant to the topic and are not foolish ones.

INCURABLE LIAR!

You've been dodging these ones in the thread about Mary hearing prayers.

1. Where is it written that Mary and the Saints cannot hear, then?

2. 1Cor13:12 and 1John3:2 that say we will be like God and know fully are my Church traditions?


3. What do we know and prophesy in part, that we will know and prophesy fully (according to 1Cor13:9-12 )?

dmandy:
You see how human beings communicate?

I am answering your questions now, you are happy. Throwing in more. But if I ask you one now, you will go like

He only ran away because his heresy was busted.

Jeromejnr:
OP, the devil has seriously blinded people with religion.

Someone even said he knows what he does is not in the bible but he believes however that the practice is right.

As a result of all this dead religious practices, there are so many apostates. Because they couldn't find the power to solve their problems.

How will they have encountered power when they were involved in man made doctrines that Jesus said makes His words have no effect.

Very correct. Like the Protestants that eat snakes that pastor gave them and go to church naked because pastor told them to...and the Protestants whose pastor in Brazil told his female congregation to drink holy milk from his penis.

You're very correct.

misreal:
hahahahahhah.Mr italo..don't worry my man I hope you don't regret your decision on the last day.

Oh! So you can reply me afterall. Means you were just dodging my questions in the other thread.

Well done with your dubious hide-and-seek Christianity.

I don't worry about my decision to follow the Church Jesus gave us

misreal:
they are receiving themselves. after death cometh judgement.

Purgatory does not disturb judgement after death.

dmandy:
Maybe Vladipo was the lawyer that signed the disownment papers.

I tire.

Jeromejnr:
I love that.

All this empty talks and made religions that displays no power. Yet they love the ignorance and powerlessness.

Don't blame us for not advertising staged miracles on TV like your pastor in South Africa who gave you petrol to drink claiming he had turned it into pine apple juice...and the one in Brazil who asked your mothers and sisters to suck "anointed milk" from his manhood.

misreal:
I know many catholics who were once adamant.it took a display of the power of the holy host to convince them.now some of them are pastors, operating in the power of God too..some abandoned the seminary sef.so I don't like fairy tales chstianity because it doesn't change nothing.

I know many pentecostal/ protestant "pastors" who have become Catholics.

VLadipo:
So which side are you now?
My brother, Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life.
And nobody can come to the Father except by Him.
Also, we don't need any intermediary to approach Him(Jesus).
These are scripture-established facts.

So the Holy Spirit was wrong in telling us to pray for one another?

VLadipo:
You are living in error. You need to come out of it.

Say the one who said Jesus disowned Mary as his mother.

roob:
Chai!.. Your very confuse..smh..

How...because I said "I don't know?"

Still avoiding my questions:


1. Were you there when the Archeologists, Cosmological, Paleontologists, Physicist, Biologists were arriving at these conclusions or do you just believe what the websites, journalists and publishers told you that the scientists said they did...just like Christians believe the Church?

2. Can you provide a scientific document that proves that God doesn't exist...and that the Bible is mythical?

3. Even scientists can't have a consensus as to the origin of the world and mankind. No?

4. What scientific version of the origin of the world do you hold as truth?

5. Do you admit that Christianity existed before the Bible?

Chizzled06:
Faith: (noun) Strong believe in God or religous doctrine based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
It's truly difficult to try to reason with someone clearly bound by the mental shackles of this brand of ignorance.

6. Whose definition is the above? The Catholic definition or yours?

Chizzled06:
So in a nutshell, you've admitted the bible isn't 100% truth. There's a start.

Never said or admitted that.

Chizzled06:
Juxtaposing testable, constantly scrutinized scientific theories based on facts/ evidence with the 'Take my word for it' efforts of the church? Seriously?

Then show us the 'scientific theories' you have scrutinized. Or do you just take the websites'/journalists'/scientists' word for it?

Chizzled06:
If you 'understood' science, you wouldn't compare the convictions and accuracy of modern science with the works of Aristotle & the 16th century breakthrough efforts of Galileo.

Obviously, your blind faith in scientists stems from you ignorance of the happenings in the science community. Please read the links below and be educated about the widespread fraud and misdeeds perpetrated by your modern scientists to deliberately spread lies and errors as "facts."
http://www.wired.com/2013/01/worst-science-misdeeds-2012/
http://kalw.org/post/misdeeds-not-mistakes-behind-most-scientific-retractions
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/a-scientific-look-at-bad-science/399371/

Chizzled06:
As I mentioned earlier, you seem to enjoy arguing blindly. Sadly, more so than reasoning rationally.

Because I ask for proof of your claims and show you how science is riddled with errors?

Chizzled06:
Pardon me if you're upset that I prefer to believe the findings of the people who made communication via this medium possible, as opposed to a bunch of books selected from Jewish and Roman folklore.

Let me use this medium to cure your ignorance a little more.

The man who invented Wireless Telegraphy which paved the way for the communication system we are using now is: Catholic Priest, Fr Jozef Murgas and his most important "findings" were that God, the Church and the Bible are true.

Will you still believe his findings or will you now jump ship like a typical scatter-brained Atheist?

Chizzled06:
Now you're confused and disillusioned. Refusing to admit to what you believe in, just to argue out your ignorant point.

Forget about my belief. I never made any claims or professed anything to you. Now, I'm 'Agnostic.'

Prove to me that your claims are true.
[quote author=Chizzled06 post=37878635]My "claims" have been proven by 500 years of science and free thinking. Physicists, Biologists, Archeologists, Paleontologists and Cosmologists all arriving at tested and proven conclusions about the origin of the universe and the history of mankind.

1. Were you there when the Archeologists, Cosmological, Paleontologists, Physicist, Biologists were arriving at these conclusions or do you just believe what the websites, journalists and publishers told you that the scientists said they did...just like Christians believe the Church?

2. Can you provide a scientific document that proves that God doesn't exist...and that the Bible is mythical?

3. Even scientists can't have a consensus as to the origin of the world and mankind. No?

4. What scientific version of the origin of the world do you hold as truth?

Chizzled06:
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A long way off the accounts of prehistoric herdsmen who typically thought the moon was a source of light and the earth was at the centre of the universe.

Aristotle was a scientist...and he and most scientists of his day said the earth was the centre of the universe. Galileo was a scientist and he said the Sun was the fixed centre of the universe and solar system and it was immobile.

These are wrong. Scientists can be just as erroneous as the most ancient herdsmen. Was their work also mythical? To this day, there are errors/possibility of errors in science. Is science also mythical?

So the ancient herdsmen thinking the earth was the centre in no way means that God doesn't exist and the bible was mythical.

Chizzled06:
The bitter truth is that this is not up for argument as facts will always remain facts, and fiction, for example Christianity, will always remain fiction.

You don't prove something logically...by repeating it. Prove that Christianity is fiction.

Chizzled06:
You can choose to ignore the truth and cling onto the false dreams the white men sold your fathers, or learn to think for yourself and see things as they really are.

I'm not holding to any dreams...thats why I'm asking you for proof of your claims. It seems like you are the one holding on to dreams that white Atheist scientists sold you. You have no proof for what you believe, yet you castigate Christians for not showing you proof because your white Atheist masters told you to harass them.

You are still dodging my questions:

1. By whose definition of faith did you claim "faith is empty by definition?"

2. Do you admit that Christianity existed before the Bible?

*dont be afraid to answer all my quesyions. Your ignorance will only be exposed, you won't be flogged.

David0:
See ur life.

U were told by d same church n historians who also read books dat d catholic compiled d books of d Bible n dat mks it true.

Good for u, but using my father whom we hv blood link as comparison, is very foolish. Think of something else.

Yes. I trust the Church because I have found it to be true. I have examined the historical accounts and found them credible.

How do you know you have blood links with your father?

Somebody told you and you believed.
You see your life.

@misreal, welcome back. These questions which you ran away from are still pending o.


1. So where is the Church that is the pillar and foundation of truth? It vanished? Does it also teach error? And who told you the Rosary is error? The Trinity told you that?

2. Then how can you say with certainty that the Rosary is an error when Jesus taught me that. Why are you here taking their place and judging right and wrong interpretation?

3. But that is exactly what happened in 382AD under Pope Damascus in the Synod of Rome. The Catholic Church chose the books to be in the Bible and the books not to be in the Bible out of the many books that were in circulation.

4. Please just answer, so that we can arrive at the truth. When Luther removed 7 books, did he change the Bible?


5. Jesus. Now can you tell me who told you that if the Church teaches something not aligned with the bible, it's error? It's okay if you say nobody told you.

6. So if the Church teach error, it's bible writings probably contain error. No?

7&8. Are you saying the Holy Spirit is still inspiring men to write scriptures apart from the books of the Bible? Mention one of these books, please?

ayoku777:
God bless you

God help you.

ayoku777:
Funny! You must be a comedian.

Actually those demons are the ones appearing and pretending to be Mary.

Honestly, this discussion is no more intelligent to me. God bless!

Shalom.

. How do you know?

You seem to have a personal relationship with the demons.

ayoku777:
"In the spirit" like those in Kaduna were abi? They must have been "in the same spirit" like Simon the socerer, or the girl with the spirit of divination, or like Bar Jesus the magician.

There are plenty spirits. So you may be right. Such people were in the "spirit". Even those who saw their dead grandfather were in the "spirit".

Appearance of Mary! Sent as what? By whom? For what? What relevance is she to the new covenant, other than she was saved by it like everyone else? Hmmm, smh

Shalom

Sent as the mother of God, the Ark that bore Jesus the New Covenant in her womb maybe.

Some of those who saw her claim to be in the Spirit like Elizabeth when she saw Mary.

All those spirits you mentioned...are they the ones that are teaching you these devilish doctrines?

David0:
And how do u know all this?

Let me guess...You read about it, or rather u were told.

No be so?

Yes. I was told by the Church and historians.

How do you know your father is your father?

You were told, no be so?

VLadipo:
My point remains that you the 'honour' you catholics give Mary goes beyond the ordinary.
Her statues flood your churches even more than that of Jesus.
Isnt that idolatry?
The Lord disowned Mary as his mother when she, along with His brethren, came looking for Him.
Rather, He pointed at those listening to Him as His mother and brethren.

May the Lord forgive you for what you have let hatred for Catholicism turn you to.

Amen.

dmandy:
Erm, Mr. Man.

Preaching and Healings are the foundation of the Gospel/Good news. You can't fully preach the gospel without Miracles.

Matt 9:35 "Jesus went through all the towns and villages, teaching in their synagogues, proclaiming the good news of the kingdom and healing every disease and sickness."

Rom 15:19 "They were convinced by the power of miraculous signs and wonders and by the power of God's Spirit. In this way, I have fully presented the Good News of Christ from Jerusalem all the way to Illyricum."

Lk 4:18 "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free,"

So if you guys are not experiencing all this, the Lord is wondering what you people are doing in the Church.

And you guys are just wasting your time.

2Cor12:9 Therefore, that I might not become too elated,* a thorn in the flesh was given to me, an angel of Satan, to beat me, to keep me from being too elated.
8 Three times* I begged the Lord about this, that it might leave me,c
9 * but he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for power is made perfect in weakness.”

So St. Paul was wasting his time too. Well done with your heresy.

dmandy:
So from what I know, none of you has testified to raising the dead, getting up from wheelchairs e.t.c. Just normal diseases like headaches which other religions can cure.

So there was no trick.

And you don't know beyond your nose.

Why don't you show me the dead you have raised?

ayoku777:
Rev 4v1-2 -After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

See that? John saw it in the Spirit. The vision was a spiritual vision, with symbolic representation for what was to come.

The four horsemen, the angels of the seven trumpets, and the woman of Rev 12, were all seen spiritually by John. They were not physical appearance.

Ofcourse, they all represent physical realities or that their actions will cause physical events. But the angels and the woman were not seen physically.

It was a spiritual vision.

Shalom

Those who have claimed to see Marian apparitions have also claimed to be in the spirit.

Is it okay then?

Jeromejnr:
Yea, Buddhists also get healing and also scientologists. So there's no point there.

Then there's no point in your initial post too.

Jeromejnr:
Its a very sad thing.
Many folks have been brainwashed with useless traditions of men. That's why we hardly see the power we are supposed to in church today.
People being on wheel chairs with get old and die in those chairs never getting out because that particular church has left the supernatural and gone over in to carnal.
Well, the truth is you can't help everyone. Most people will have to first die and see they've been living a lie all along.

Since healing is not the way to know the true Church.

You fell for the trick.