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chysam:
Like every other catholic,you also suffer from grammatical defficiency.Quoting the gospel out of context has always been your pride.FYI,there is an end to this present world after which a new world would be ushered in.The end of this present world is also the end our time which currently is limited.So both our world and time has an end and that will occur upon jesus' return. The bone of contention here however is that your mortal Pope disagree that christ is coming again since this is the final sign of both the end of this world and our time. As much as you try to digress,the question still rwmain why pope who claim to be a vicar fei Dei disagree on jesus' return. Only an idiotic would deny this asserion because he said it in the open with full confidence and to the hearing of all.Perhaps you may like watching him say this to believe.

Kay17:
How helpful it was to say an assumption is an assumption, such insight!

It is actually because assumptions create a certainty that is why they are useful. They are like scaffolds. For example, assuming your wife commits would you divorce her? rather than spend all the time proving and disproving her fidelity, a starting point and a contention is created for further thought. Same happens on Nairaland religion everyday, atheists assume God exists and try to prove the inconsistencies that would result. Also in budgetary estimates, assumptions are made about cashflows, revenues etc. Same happens while we project towards the future and believe the cause - effects of yesterday would happen today and tomorrow.

Faith on the other hand does not make assumptions but sees itself as an epistemological tool

honeychild:
I am talking about Nairaland atheists. Listening to them, you would think there's an atheist creed that says the words 'ignorant' 'misguided' and 'deluded' or even worse must be used in every conversation you have with everyone who believes in God.

plaetton:
With all due respect, only a very very silly slowpoke( and there many many) thinks that atheism is a religion.
Infact, that notion, it itself, is clear enough evidence that blind faith, schizophrenia , and low IQ have a common denominator.

plaetton:
@op
Religion doesn't do as much damage, destruction, violence and fraud in the UK as it does in Nigeria.
That explains why Nigerian atheists are much more Angry than would be a European atheist.
We see daily the horrors of religious irrationaliy as it plays out.
We simply can't afford to look away any longer.
Religious irrationality must always be vigorously challenged, mocked and embarrassed.

ooman:
Yo are probably right by your analysis, Dawkins, and indeed all atheists aren't as aggressive as we seem to give the impression, but you have to understand that most xtians and other god worshipers are indeed dumb in their analysis too.

Outside nairaland, I am a gentleman, but in here, I have to treat people with ironhand to force logic into your head.

Atheism is a peaceful, in fact, the most peaceful way of life.

Understanding there is no god changes everything for you, you become newly born into a perfect and complete life.

peace out.

EvilBrain1:
What you people refuse to understand is that there is no official atheist position on anything. We have no dogma or creed. The only thin we have in common is that we reject the unfounded claims of religion. Many of us admire Dawkins for his brilliant scientific work and his efforts to combat the silliness and harm religious superstition causes. But that doesn't mean we agree with him on every point. There is no GO of atheism, and even if there was, it certainly wouldn't be Dawkins.

And you religious folks keep accusing us of being rude. You conveniently ignore the fact that your coreligionists are not only just as rude, but also add death threats, violence and disincrimination into the mix. It's very hard not to be rude to people who threaten to kill you.

fishleg123:
Jesus is God, good, accepted. But Jesus has a God that. anointed him, YES or NO.

You would consider anyone who disagrees with you on any of those points above, not a member of the Church. Yes or no?

You're saying only disagreement with Image123's understanding of the "salient issues" disqualifies one from being part of The Church.

Because you still cant show where the Bible says what issues are "salient" and can keep you out ofthe Church and which issues cannot keep you out. Even the example you gave of Jesus rubbishes your position. Jesus says love of God and neighbour are the greatest commandments, yet you omitted these in your list of salient issues. Paul and Barnabas had no disagreement a doctrinal issue.

You are saying The Church can teach falsehood on non-salient issues? Yes or no.

Image123:
The catholics are disagreed among themselves on various issues like gay priests, abortion and evolution. Your point is mute.

Image123:
So you guys have being on this issue since 1985 and 2002. Yet there are still arguments and contradictory views by priests and popes on being gay. Again, your point is mute. What you are attacking outside is also attacking you inside. The Catholic church is not in uniformity.

Image123:
Very convenient if. Why the IF if there are no contradictory views. The informed know that some catholics believe there was no evolution, while some believe there was.

Image123:
Why can you hold personal opinions and not have denominations hold personal opinions? Do you think that those denominations think they are teaching contrary to what the Bible teaches?

Image123:
And who says the Roman Catholic is church if Christ Embassy is not church? Who determines these things?

Image123:
Do you think women should cover their hair when praying? How is it about redemption? How is it about eternal life?

Image123:
1Co 10:23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

Image123:
Ever heard of false prophets, false teachers, false apostles and false brethren? Where do you find them, in the mosque?

Image123:
What was the definitive teaching? As far as i remember, Paul later asked for Timothy to be circumcised. He also wrote that circumcision/uncircumcision was not an issue.

1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Syncan:
Frosbel. I thought you were too busy to come around. You want to stampede me abi, first do we have an agreement in Heb 1:8.

Note that I also said it was revealed to John in revelations thus. You can add that to the list.

Kay17:
Assumptions are necessary in order to create a starting point. . Assumptions build premises before conclusions can be erected. Science creates a natural cause because such cause is readily perceptible. For such purposes the assumptions are valid.

In contrast with Faith, it depends on how far the faithful is willing to stretch his faith.

macof:
Do you deny the OP's claim that the Jesus myth was largely copied from earlier existing mythologies?

CAPTIVATOR:
I so much like you for the fact that u deal with evidence ... Thats very cool !!! I later realise that Heb 1:7-9 is quoted from psalm 45: 6,7 wich originally was addressed to a human king in isreal , the writer doesnt have it in mind that the Isrealite King is Almighty God ! But that God is his throne . ..... No wonder the New English Bible says " Your throne is like God's throne" psalm 45:6 ! And God is their throne in isreal simply beacause all the Kings in isreal sits " upon Jehovah's Throne" 1 Chronicles 29:23 NW

With that knowledge, Note also that in Heb 1:7-9 !! Verse 7 says God is speakin ........ While verse 9 shows that the person been addressed is a worshipper , 9 "That is why God, >YOUR God<, annointed you ..... More than your partners" ! The person been addressed has a God who annoints him as a King

Maamin:
That they are before him is not enough evidence to categorically base ur queries on Jesus, besides how comes these so called 8 people are not copying one another too?..hun

Chongaiman:
Yeye dey smell. The Star of David has 6 points. The symbol on the N100 note has 8 points. Some people still playing ostrich since AD 622/AH 1. Abeg Monday morning is enough problem in itself! Don't compound it.

dein77:
Hmmmm.....I can with some of your points.

Well, thank God Christ is the one Body to which we all belong as soon as we receive Him as our Saviour.

I have a reservation with ur assertion that Christ founded His Church on Peter. Agreed Peter played a very crucial and leading role in the administration of the early Church, but the church wasn't built on Peter.

That's another matter entirely. ....

sinequanon:
There is nothing difficult in what I am saying.

It is your level of intellect that is the problem. You certainly have no business talking about E=mc^2, as you did in your other post (which was very naive, btw)

I said earlier, it is your level of intellect that is holding you back. There is no way to bring the level of the discussion down to your level. Scientists and philosophers don't use words for the fun of it. They use words for precision. I suggest you take a few years out to find a Sunday school and improve your comprehension, if you are struggling.

sinequanon:
Here is the QUESTION for the 4th or 5th time:

Do you or do you not agree that science ASSUMES that ALL events ALWAYS have a "natural" cause?

It is clearly asking you IF you agree with something, not presupposing it.

Since you are stuck and reluctant to answer the question, as was plaetton, there is no point continuing.

The only useful thing you have to say is that you are disingenuous, and you have effectively shouted it from the rooftops.

zubby29:
i am a Catholic nd we believe in doctrine of d church,biblicaly its not stated dat way but i believe he is bt cant really explain it,

plaetton:
Science assumes this , science assumes that.

The scientific method, the scientific system for observing, testing and analyzing reality has proven itself to be far superior to anything before it.
The current level of human advancement is a testimony to that.

Science addresses its questions, its enquiries to the Natural world, until such a time where there is evidence suggestive of a reality other than the natural world, in which case also, only empirical science can find that link between our natural world and other non mechanistic worlds.

Anyone who thinks science is inadequate to find answers about existence in the natural world, should propose an alternative system.
Not religion, because we have been there and we have done that.

plaetton:
Science starts out with questions, not assumptions.
Science makes assumptions based on questions for which the scientific system have already answered.
Before we made this assumption that E=MC2, we first understood what E was and it's properties.
We also understood M and C and their properties.
From there we tied it all together to make this assumption of E = MC2.
No one made the assumption first before trying to make it fit.
Since science is not dogma, if we discover a hidden variable that affects or nullifies this assumption, we easily plug it in.
That is the way science works.

plaetton:
That is the simplest way to put it.
How can anyone deny and feign ignorance of the great strides humans have made at all levels through the scientific system
Science is a question that keeps on asking.

chysam:
My dear if the Vatican believe in the BIG BANG and the evolution theory,what difference then does this story make?

sauer:

Science will eventually find an answer to this question. That's inevitable. In fact, several centuries from now, our kins will wonder how we could have missed the answer to immortality. It eventually be a choice to die and leave this earth. By that time of course, Christianity will no longer be relevant.

At this moment, we can only but continue seeking the answers while we accept death as the end of things.

voltron:
what does it matter.. Death? why not leave a worthy, progressive legacy when you are alive rather than cement your biased minds around who is righteous, which religion qualifies you for heaven and which church is the right one. if there is an after-life, would you not be concerned that the same worldly elements and mindset we struggle to rid ourselves off in this world is also present in the life after.

Death happens and nothing afterwards, if you are Christian, ask yourself this? The Children of God - Israel; Jews (Why we all know about God today) do not believe in an after-life.. why not peel your eyes away from the pages of the Bible to validate it with Factual History