₦airaland Forum

Itsrm:
All the gains made in our electoral process has been totally wiped off. We are back to 1999.

If Osun election were to be part of this off cycle election, there's no way in hell that Adeleke would have won.

[color=royalblue]The thing is pathetic.

Then people expect someone who fraudulently rigged his way to victory to come and serve?
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Itsrm:
I don't even like Dino but I feel for him. Yahya Bello cannot make heaven


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veHdiy7ZI9A

Watch from 16:00-36:00

[color=royalblue]In all honesty, everybody needs to sympathise with Nigeria. The country is finished.

Not like Dino is good, but can't there be any credibility from INEC?
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Ibime:
Isiokpo no far from airport, it's actually a good site for uni in terms of cheapness of land required to site a huge complex and proximity to the airport, as no doubt students will be flying in. Kidnappers never really reach that Isiokpo/Elele side but never say never, they can be tempted. Ahoada boys can come across that East-West road if market done set

[color=royalblue]No wahala[/color]

liveLongNprospa:
Lmaoooo... You see wetin happen for apapa just for 2 days warning strike.

Imagine how 1 week go be😁

[color=royalblue]Let them take it to one week naa.

Warning strike don get 6 episodes and counting.

The only drama i want to see is how NLC will openly flout a court order tomorrow. I want to see what the court will do.

Court wey FG no kuku dey obey when e no favour them.[/color]

[color=royalblue]My issue with NLC is that they will call off the strike in less than 14 hours.

We have had more than 4 strikes since June; yet nothing tangible to show for it.

Mtcheeeeew[/color]

raumdeuter:
So Oyedepo made his money from Ota and took part of it to his hometown in Omu Aran,
Olashore, Adesoye, Solarin, Adeleke, Afe Babalola made money elsewhere and took part of it to their hometown to invest in big enterprise
People all over the country and the world are going to these interior towns to find their business and use

Wigwe is not taking Access Bank HQ to Isiokpo, he made his money somewhere and he is taking part to invest in his hometown

How is he different from others before him

[color=royalblue]Why are you deliberately saying another thing?

Where did i say he should not invest in his hometown?[/color]

raumdeuter:
I can't tell. It has been there for 30yrs the total investment there over the past 30yrs might be close to that

Tai Solarin is from Ikene, His Mayflower school is in Ikenne. Countless examples

Oyedepo is from Omu aran, Landmark University is located in Omu Aran, people travel there to school

My point, Isiokpo is good enough, if the school is good, people will find it

[color=royalblue]Oyedepo started his church from Ota, build his audience before building his Covenant there. Thereafter, he built Landmark in Kwara.

The same goes for Madonna too.

Stop starting a story from the ending

Isiokpo is not the best place to build a $500 million Uni. But I can understand if he wants to do that.

Make him no go cry unnecessarily tomorrow[/color]

raumdeuter:
My point about Madonna and others is that these businesses are thriving in villages and small towns.
Olashore Intl Schools will be 30yrs next yr and people go there. I am not sure if Iloko Ijesha is worse than Isiokpo

Why is it not best to locate in Anambra? Is Nnewi not thriving despite being a small town? Those who made Nnewi thrive are mostly indigenes not outsider

[color=royalblue]Olashore Intl School is worth about a $100 million dollars, shey?[/color]

raumdeuter:
My point about Madonna and others is that these businesses are thriving in villages and small towns.

Why is it not best to locate in Anambra? Is Nnewi not thriving despite being a small town? Those who made Nnewi thrive are mostly indigenes not outsider

[color=royalblue]I said not all businesses would thrive in our villages.

If i wanted to build a 5 star hotel, is my village the best place to build it? Emphasis on ...."Best"

Wigwe can build his University anywhere, but if you say Isiokpo is the best place to build it, then that is just agenda in the making[/color]

raumdeuter:
If he is from Isiokpo then that is the best location for the project.
If he go think say Rivers State na Rivers State If next year dem create Ikwere State and he suddenly becomes a foreigner in Port Harcourt

Do your investment in your region, in your state and hometown gangan

Afe Babalola University dey Ekiti
Adeleke University dey dem hometown for Ede not even Osogbo
Madonna dey Okija
For over 30yrs Adesoye dey Offa, Olashore College dey Iloko Ijesha or somewhere like that

If I am going to establish a University na inside my hometown and LGA gangan if possible beside our family compound

[color=royalblue]Errrmmmm

Madonna is owned by an Enugu man, not Rivers.

Because I am from Anambra does not mean all ideas is best to be located there.

You know that, but let the agenda agend [/color]

Itsrm:
I wonder how many students of Madonna University in Elele have been kidnapped since inception

What of Pamo Medical University? Have they been kidnapped yet?

Funny guys thinking Rivers State is Borno

Nothing will happen to the students. Let's not create a mountain out of a molehill.

[color=royalblue]End of Story [/color]

GloriousGbola:
there is an estate in ikoyi called shoreline estate. a plot used to be 500m - it is now 2 billion. it is modelled on US suburbs. so no one is allowed to have any high fence. na all waist high fence.

no generator allowed either . the claim is there is security . those of us working know that in the end if push comes to shove, there better be panic rooms in all those expensive houses. if there is an end sars style breakdown of law and order - they will find out the true state of their security really quickly.

as per the school - na community go be support staff. cleaners , security etc. so there are already moles in waiting if it comes to that.

[color=royalblue]Rest, sir.

Isiokpo is where we will build it.[/color]

GloriousGbola:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/26/nigeria-kidnappers-execute-two-more-captive-students

i am sure you remember this story

this was an expensive private university in kaduna

your average oil expat goes around with multiple police and military escorts

i am not sure Wigwes expensive private school will be able to afford oil worker levels of protection for teaching staff - if it comes to that.

[color=royalblue]The man never build the school, you don write off the security architecture.

Relax bro. $500 million no be small bar.[/color]

GloriousGbola:
na wetin i dey talk. so if i am an aspiring kidnapper, i already know a place that my crew can storm get easy pickings of wealthy victims.



security in Nigeria is ultimately an illusion.

the best one can hope for is taht wigwe will be paying protection money to the warlords

ibime can negotiate the the spend

[color=royalblue]Why are you making it look like it is easy to kidnap people?

How many expatriates dem don kidnap this month?[/color]

GloriousGbola:
with all the talk about instability and crime in rivers state, the man is taking a big gamble. converging the children of port harcourts upper class into a location is almost like setting up a goat to be fed to a lion for lunch.

what is his security plan?

[color=royalblue]I don't think the security will be like RSUST naa.

He definitely would have done his plus and minuses.
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BlueRayDick:
One man I admire for pulling that kind feat off is Afe Babalola; the baba was intentional about the university project and his past experience on the governing council of UNILAG played a huge role in the success of ABUAD.

I don't know if Wigwe has it in him sha cos he's venturing into an already saturated market so he dey like Handicap 1 before game start

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Na why him wan use $500 million take smuggle him way to the top.

What money can't do, more money can[/color]

BlueRayDick:
I just read the full news now from the link posted. He will be charging $12,500 for tuition fee and another annual fee of N3.5m. All because he intends to employ at least 30% of his teaching staff from UK & US

The man just dey whine himself jare .... If my parent get that kind money I go swear for them if they carry me go one yeye Wigwe university instead of sending me to UK or US

[color=royalblue]It depends oh.

Let's hope it happens sha. He must have done his maths.

I just feel that a more major city would be ideal for it, but then, with how Nigeria is, I cannot blame anybody for going into the bush to build anything[/color]

DissTroy:
Exactly! That's why we must push the narratives of our individual states. That's why I push mine and wouldn't trade it for Lagos or Abuja.

Nobody can deny me my citizen rights here or tell me to go back home.

The lead-up to the 2023 elections should be a wake-up call. If governors can just ensure security, everyone should think of investing at home - real home without the inter-tribal prejudice.

[color=royalblue]People are, actually.

In some parts of the SE, real estate is thriving.
People are starting to establish their factories there.

The election did change the minds of some [/color]

BlueRayDick:
I think he's from Rivers state, so it makes sense to invest in his home state.

I saw a large billboard of the school when I was in Port Harcourt; It didn't even strike me the school has any connection with him until the driver mentioned it to me when I asked him who owns the school.

[color=royalblue]For a project like this, Isiokpo is not the best location for it.

It makes sense to invest home. But there are projects that can be better located outside home.



The project looks wide. Imagine luring Dangote and his like to mentor students. Maybe na exaggeration, but e go chop money

But then, It is okay. [/color]

DissTroy:
"Nigerian banker invests $500 million in new Lagos university"

https://billionaires.africa/2023/11/10/nigerian-banker-invests-500-million-in-new-lagos-university/

In reality: Herbert Wigwe, Access Bank's CEO, invests $500 billion in build a university in Isiokpo, Rivers State which focuses on tech and emerging technologies, employing and interfacing with Silicon Valley and A-list U.S. universities experts.

This is why you must aggressively push your narratives as nobody would do it for you. Even reporting it as Port Harcourt would send signals amongst investors that investments can be viable outside Lagos and Abuja, and Rivers can be one of such places.


The Rivers Vanguard who are only reactive on this thread, for example, on the issues of vices would do better jobs pushing narratives like this. Tell your story! Imprint your place on the consciousness of people. Force them to recognise and acknowledge it or even get curious for all the right reasons, slowly but surely.

[color=royalblue]Why not Abuja, at least?

Well, i don't blame him. One cannot determine how bad this tribalism would rise to.

Make person no go invest $500 million for somewhere else, and then you start hearing "Go back to your state" tomorrow. [/color]

larride:
You'll see that nowhere in my post did I mention that sweeping on that expressway is safe or not because that's not the discussion I was having.

That's why I said you were doing victim blaming.

Both issues are different and can be true at the same time.

[color=royalblue]So her colleagues blaming LASG are also doing victim blaming too?

The solution is either provide enough safey measures for them, or get them off the expressway.

How you are interpretating it as victim blaming is doing my body somehow[/color]

BlueRayDick:
If I'm to apportion blame to all parties involved, I believe LASG/LAWMA takes the larger portion of the blame for stationing those cleaners there on the highway.

I will blame LASTMA and the driver equally for causing the death of the cleaners while engaging in their rat/cat race of who will outsmart each other in recklessness.

[color=royalblue]The driver should be blamed, definitely. I don't know what he is running for.

But what i am telling Larride is that he should not pretend as if sweeping an expressway is safe. Standing there alone is risky.

All these would have been averted if those women were not there[/color]

BlueRayDick:
I think u are missing something here. It's established the driver while trying to escape LASTMA arrest killed the two cleaners, but what izzou and glorious are saying is this; If those women were not sweeping the expressway they definitely will still be alive now. Sweeping an expressway is an extremely dangerous work which Lagos state should not be encouraging.

If LASG want people to still be cleaning the expressway, then they must go all out to put in place serious safety measures to protect the cleaners going forward.

[color=royalblue]Excerpts from the same thread[/color]

At the venue, some street cleaners were seen ranting, accusing the state government of endangering their lives.

larride:
This accident happens because the driver was over speeding because he wanted to evade arrest from Lastma. The women sweeping there did nothing wrong and if not for the stupid reckless driver, they will still be alive right now.

[color=royalblue]I have driven for up to 15 years to know that everything is not reckless.

You say he was overspeeding. You can go as high as 120km/h on an expressway....Very legal. So, how did you come about the fact that he was overspeeding?

I am not blaming the victims. It is not their fault that their employer gave them that role. But I already knew it was going to happen someday.

No human being should be standing on an expressway for anything[/color]

GloriousGbola:
The cleaners I meet are always by the divider. In the fast lane. I am not supposed to slow down on Apapa oshodi expressway. There is no difference between the cleaners being there and a broken down car being there

The difference is if I hit the car they may find the owner liable, but I hit the cleaner I will be found liable.

[color=royalblue]Thank you.[/color]

GloriousGbola:
In 1999 or thereabouts I was in suleja. Me and white boy. We entered a 504 going to ilorin. The man drove onto the express and at the same time a pair of lunatic wheel barrow carrier ran across the road. If the man had not swerved to avoid the idiot we may have been alright
He swerved, lost control hit the idiots and the car almost flipped.

All of us in the car could have been injured or killed because of fools running across the road.

[color=royalblue]2015 or so, I saw a man with his wife and kids hit a hawker crossing at Ogudu Express.

The woman just ran into the road and it happened

I was just two cars behind him.
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larride:
Suddenly you don't know the meaning of reckless driving again and have now resorted to whataboutism.

Issokay.

[color=royalblue]If i didn't tell you this story, you would read it as "Reckless" on the news.

Police chase people all over the world. Even in the USA, police dey chase people with motor. So, we cannot entirely crucify LASTMA for chasing someone on an expressway...Emphasis on EXPRESSWAY.

The problem is why would someone be sweeping on it.

I know Gbagada expressway, and it is was just newly constructed...Very smooth and free.

To cross that road is a nightmare. You need to run because the cars there are on a high speed (which is exactly how it should be)

But you want to defend an employer giving his staff brooms to sweep on it?[/color]

larride:
You do know you can park your car even in the lay-by and a reckless driver can come run you over there?

This argument is actually funny.

Let's continue to blame the victims.

[color=royalblue]I am not blaming the victims. I have been in a position during my Uber days when i almost hit one of these LASG cleaners

She was even using a bucket as her cone. I scattered the bucket, but didn't get to her.

The argument is not funny. No human being should be on the expressway. Even road construction companies give a lot of distance and warning signs just to work there.

How can a government give someone a cone, and expect disaster not to happen one day?[/color]

larride:
Its not as if its today we have reckless drivers hitting and killing people that are not even sweepers on the road.

[color=royalblue]Because a car hits someone doesn't make the driver at fault. Unfortunately, it is the song for Nigerians

I have a friend that killed someone before. He was driving around 11pm on Apapa/Oshodi expressway when someone just rushed into the road. He tried to stop but the deed was done.

He was reckless shey?[/color]

larride:
If someone have a flat tire on the expressway, then park on the side to fix his car and he put those danger and caution sign while trying to fix his car, then one unfortunate reckless driver goes and hit the person where he's fixing the car, whose to blame?

[color=royalblue]Before you call the driver reckless, where did you park?

Do you know that while you are parked on the expressway, with your car jacked up, the wind from other cars passing can shift your jack, and the car can fall on the person?

Most expressways are designed to have lay-bys where people can park. If your car has issues, manage it there.

Because you have C-Caution does not mean you can park anywhere. [/color]

larride:
Ok. Let's blame the victims.

Since these guys have been sweeping Express and expressway, how many accident or causalities have we had?

[color=royalblue]Since Nigerians have been storing fuel in their houses, how many accidents and casualties have we had?

Therefore storing fuel in my 1 bedroom flat is safe, since there are no casualties.

Maybe you can show me one African country (Not US/Europe) where someone will stand on an expressway and be sweeping[/color]

larride:
It is actually reckless driving as most times those Lawma cleaners usually have a cone for caution whenever they are sweeping. It's not as if those women were trying to cross the road.

The system is not perfect tbh but this particular incident is reckless driving fueled by Lastma.

[color=royalblue]You mean the cones they put 100cm from where they are sweeping?

A human being should not even be there, even if you put 10 cones.

When you have a flat tire, you look out for a safe place to park and change it. Everywhere is not safe, even if you have a C-Caution.

If those women cannot sweep at late nights, where there's little to no traffic, they should stay at home.

What they are doing in way too risky.[/color]