₦airaland Forum

[color=royalblue]When he was training you through school, he didn't come off as an illiterate.

His money was paying the bills, despite the illiteracy oozing from it.

You graduated, and then suddenly, you realize a PhD holder has always been your dream husband

SMH[/color]

afrodoc2:
The best place to sow seeds is in a land flowing with milk and honey.

BlueRayDick:
What do u think should’ve been done differently and what did u hope would’ve been the eventual result ?

[color=royalblue]We dwelt too much on Police Brurality, days after the VP had promised and started acting on the reforms. It now became a case of the Hunter becoming the Hunted.

That would have also been an avenue to demand accountability from office holders. Everybody resides in a ward, in an LGA, in a constituency,
in a state. Instead of walking aimlessly, we could have taken our protests to the abode of our respective office holders and demand better.

Also, it started to turn to a charade. No direction and bearing. Anybody just jumps out, blocks the road, and starts playing music. We started afflicting ourselves and suffering ourselves.

To me, we would have used that opportunity to demand just more than Police reforms, which was already granted even before the protest got halfway [/color]

Theflint1:
I didn't say Obi knew of the individual killings that were going on at Azukwu, I said he knew of the River Ezu incident, two different things. Besides, when people are having an issue with a police officer or division, what they do is contact a senior police officer and in this case the most senior police officer in said state would be the commissioner of police. I can't even say with confidence that the commissioner of police knew what was happening at Azukwu SARS before the River Ezu incident, not to mention Peter Obi having knowledge of it.

afrodoc2:
Can any gifted microbiologist use a microscope to identify the Sorry in that statement.

[color=royalblue]Nezzjnr has some knowledge in that course

He once sowed his seeds on a fertile soil in that dept[/color]

Theflint1:
Of course he knew about the River Ezu incident, it'd be ridiculous to claim he didn't know about the River Ezu incident that made national news and was being investigated by the Nigerian Senate with nothing coming out of it.

[color=royalblue]This has been my point from the beginning, but you Obisexuals just have a way to dance round a point before accepting.

Obi definitely knew what was going on, but the grouse here was he did nothing. No complains from him, no summons from him. Nothing.

Maybe he didn't have a hand in any killing, but he did nothing to stop Nwafor from this.
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Theflint1:
CSP James Nwafor retired after 2016.

[color=royalblue]Okay.

Sorry about that[/color]

BlueRayDick:
No matter how we look at it sha , the ENDSARS protest yielded some results. Nowadays police harassment has reduced to a reasonable extent sha .

I remember last Sunday while driving some police officers stopped me for regular stop and search and after confirming my papers were fine and My drivers license still valid , they just said “ Bros happy Sunday , show ur brothers love” . I just smiled and handed the guy #500 without being under any form of threat. He was appreciative , waved me bye and I moved .

I wondered how that could’ve ended prior to the whole ENDSARS protests. I know police officers still extort people but it has reduced to a bare minimum sha

[color=royalblue]I feel we wasted that opportunity sha.

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Theflint1:
So I said Peter Obi didn't know about the river Ezu incident? I'm pretty sure I never said that

[color=royalblue]Ohh Okay

Do you think Obi knows anything about it?[/color]

Theflint1:
Lol...Azukwu SARS incident was a thing 2013 with investigations following. Willie Obiano loved Nwafors work so much that he had to call the man after retirement to continue in a contract security role...can't be crediting Willie Obiano for anything, na EndSARS heat make am push Nwafor comot body, nothing else.

[color=royalblue]Nwafor did not retire after 2016

He was posted to Bauchi.

Yes, Endsars heat made him push Nwafor away, but we can still say he knew nothing about it, the same way you said Obi knew nothing about it[/color]

Mrviktor:
He don talk sorry..

Make una forgive am.

[color=royalblue]There is no Sorry in that post.

He just carefully explained why he wouldn't give a fvk[/color]

Theflint1:
I can literally make a screenshot long of you making contradictory view points on this issue

[color=royalblue]Please go ahead[/color]

BlueRayDick:
Okay , No be me .

[color=royalblue]Appointee

Anambra state kpata kpata[/color]

BlueRayDick:
No , u don’t get to do that . All u said was “ I don’t know “ all through the night . U didn’t know what exactly was Peter Obi’s role was in the AwkuzuSARS saga .

Now we moved on from that and talked about the events of October 20 2020 which is not one and same with the atrocities of with SARS all over Nigeria prior to the ENDSARS protests . We are talking about the events a day before that day and the D-day itself .

Sanwoolu confirmed by himself that he called soldiers to have called soldiers to “ intervene “ at lekki . Yet u said he can’t be blamed for what happened that night . I pointed it to u areas in the state that had serious issues of insecurity like Orile , Mushin and co which needed Soldiers intervention but didn’t get any .

So I really want to understand where “ I’m using ur logic against u “ is coming from

[color=royalblue]I can't remember if its your moniker, but it was said that Nwafor is not answerable to Obi, and therefore Obi wouldn't know anything about the killings.

Maybe its true he doesnt know, but the excuse of both of them acting separately does not fly with me. If Obi wanted to do any "dirty job", he can use Nwafor for it (I am just assuming).

I just wanted to point out that any security unit in a state can be used by a governor, and thats why i said the Sanwo-Olu example.

Sanwo-Olu invited the Army. They are not under him. But someone expects me to believe Obi cannot ask Nwafor to do anything?

Na the double standards be that[/color]

Theflint1:
That's the funniest thing in all of this, cause only last week I remember him asking for and referencing the video of a governor refusing to obey Sanwo-Olu as proof that governors don't control police in the state. E reach Peter Obi now it becomes what was his role in Azukwu SARS and Izzou on one hand dey absolve Sanwo Olu of EndSARS massacre when na im start dey complain say Azukwu SARS no dey trend...the hypocrisy

Well na election season, so agenda must agend, and it's understandable.

[color=royalblue]The hypocrisy is actually on you.

You just told me the CSP has no business with a governor. So how is a Brigadier General answerable to the same governor?

Does Obi have the power to authorize Nwafor to do anything? No

But Sanwoolu has the power to authorize a Brigadier General on anything ba?

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BlueRayDick:
Sanwoolu didn’t call Soldiers on those who burnt down Orile police station , he didn’t call soldiers on those who were exchanging gun fire with police officers in Mushin; yet it’s Lekki where protesters eat donuts and drink coffee , eat jollof rice and play music all day that he feels need the presence of soldiers?

U say we can’t blame him for anything that happened that day ? He miscalculated thinking show of force would disperse those guys in Lekki but didn’t know he was setting tone for non state actors to take the center stage afterwards. We all saw how it ended tho.

[color=royalblue]You guys just said the security of a state is not answerable to the governor.

I am using your logic against you.

Nwafor is not answerable to Obi, but the GOC is answerable to Sanwoolu abi?

I just wanted to show you the double standards in the argument[/color]

BlueRayDick:
I think u are mixing things up .

The protest against police brutality happened in most states of the federation. I saw videos of the protest in Osun , Oyo , Rivers etc back then .

In Lagos it happened at Ikeja , Lekki and other parts of the state . Why Lagos state owned turned brutal was the fact that Lagos state government felt it’s had enough by first introducing non state actors into the protest; when that failed the police officers went guns blazing and orile police station was burnt on the eve of the shootings in Lekki , police men were attacked in Mushin and they exchanged gun fire with touts , etc .

Sanwoolu declared a curfew that didn’t even allow people get to their homes before it was enforced that night, the protesters chose to remain at their location knowing fully well they won’t make it home before the curfew starts and the soldiers did their thing .

On another note I still wonder why all the celebrities who were at the venue earlier that day found their way home prior to the curfew and subsequent shootings ; only for the protesters and only Dj Switch on the receiving end . I mean one of those Psquare Guys was there that day earlier , AY the comedian and so on. I believe those guys had info and were just telling people from the comfort of their house to raise flag and sing national anthem. Na why I no dey follow people do Aluta even when I was a student . I no go allow them kill the only don of my family just laidat

[color=royalblue]We can't blame Sanwo-Olu for anything that happened that day[/color]

Theflint1:
How can you seriously be comparing a massacre in Lekki that was streamed live and in 2020 to a discovery of bodies that happened in some backwater town in Anambra in 2013? Maybe you dey talk am for bants sha, but how many persons for Azukwu dey Twitter?

Host Lekki Twitter hangout and host Azukwu Twitter hangout make we see.

Way more persons were killed in Zaria by the Nigerian army, who's talking about it? The killings in Odi, Bayelsa, who dey talk about am?

[color=royalblue]End Sars is about Police Brutality.

So, unlese Awkuzu is not police Brutality too,then we should not be having this conversation. [/color]

Segedinho:
I asked you about d nature of people killed but u never replied.......

I only came to d conclusion that if it was a sporadic shooting or massacre,it would been louder

[color=royalblue]No law permits that you kill people and dump them in rivers.

Even if its legally okay to you, it has serious environmental effects on the communities around.

I dont know what you need their nature for,
when no law supports it in the first place [/color]

Theflint1:
I never said dumping bodies in rivers could be justified, my point was that there was no way those killings can be linked to Peter Obi. I know from first-hand experience that police officers do catch and kill, especially for hardened criminals. How many persons that have family members that were involved in kidnapping or robbery will go to the governor to complain that they can't find the body of their family member, some of them will even be happy to be rid of the family member.

CSP Nwafor was a junior police officer, he had the head of his area command to report to, and that area commander reported to the commissioner of police. If I'd fault Peter Obi, it's for not conducting LGA elections early enough...Azukuwu was one division, there's no way CSP Nwafor would have been steady killing indigenes of a particular community and it won't get to an LGA chairman who would make reports to a governor.

[color=royalblue]A fair opinion i can accept.

Remember that the beginning of this discussion was why Lagos was the focus of Police brutality, when it happened in other states too.

Everybody remembered Lekki. Nobody remembered Ezu river.

Not fair, in my opinion[/color]

raumdeuter:
Why do we have a term called EXTRA JUDICIAL killings?

[color=royalblue]They haven't heard of that word before

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raumdeuter:
What agenda cannot do does not exist

Bodies found in 2013, and he is asking if we are sure they didnt die 7yrs earlier. That deserved a PhD in agenda even Lai Mohamed will be proud

Segedinho:
I like d fact that it has gone down to mode of disposal wch i dont support at all.

killing known criminals although not justifiable but i welcome it......

[color=royalblue]So Segedinho found them guilty and labelled them criminals

No trail, no conviction

How did you do it bro? Juju?[/color]

EmmanuelScott1:
No need of waiting

You can do your research about it

[color=royalblue]I told you there is no prosecution.

You said there is. But you cant do the research.

Chai [/color]

Theflint1:
Illegal mass burials by the Nigerian army.

https://amnesty.org.nz/nigeria-military-cover-mass-slaughter-zaria-exposed

https://saharareporters.com/2022/10/17/exclusive-nigerian-army-secretly-buries-alleged-esn-members-killed-during-three-day

https://punchng.com/gory-photos-videos-of-alleged-mass-burials-in-zamfara-untrue-dhq/

[color=royalblue]I am telling you it is not right.

You came to show me links of my point too.

Thank you very much.

So at least, you agree that dumping bodies in a river cannot be justified[/color]

EmmanuelScott1:
Oga they charged him to the court but i didn't know the later outcome.

Obi acted on Anambra state law " against aiding or abetting kidnappings which carries demolition of structures of those people involved "

[color=royalblue]Please save me the troubles of quoting you unnecessarily and share the outcomes

I dey wait[/color]

BlueRayDick:
Did any of the Lagos state governors protect their citizens from Abba Kyari during his time in Lagos ?

[color=royalblue]I dont know

But in Nwafor's case, Out of 18 victims, 90% pointed to Nwafor as the villian

I doubt if and CSP has that record all over Nigeria[/color]

Segedinho:
Baba....

Let's be realistic here.........cos everything we v been discussing have no effect on my campaign for Obi.


If u ain't answering whatever i ask ...fine...but hiding under d cover of don j to avoid straight question isnt wise.....

Simple question....u indirectly compared Endsars with Ezzu saga.....bit avoiding who died n why....atleast we know eho died i Endsars

[color=royalblue]I just told you that if the NA kills BH, they dont dump them in rivers

If they kill Bandits, they dont dump them in rivers

There must be a report on what transpired and casualties.

So, the only way to justify dumping of bodies in Ezu river is to show us the report that they were anything you feel they should be.

Otherwise, you are just blindly supporting Obi; Something i would not do for any politician[/color]

raumdeuter:
You mean the corpse found in 2013 could have been killed way back in 2006 when Ngige was governor without decomposing

izzou you dey hear new lamba

[color=royalblue]Post-Mortem don show inside.

This one off me

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BlueRayDick:
I read through the link u posted and saw this



I find this position quite reasonable . How do u accuse a governor of being the mastermind of ur travails when u and I know the governor obviously doesn’t control the police . We saw a police officer in Magodo tell Sanwoolu he got his order from above even in Sanwoolu’s state .

I mean I actually need to know the role Peter Obi played in the Awkuzu matter other than being a governor in a state where a rogue police officer played poker with people’s lives

[color=royalblue]Like i said earlier, the reason why Obi is dragged is because he failed to protect his people from Nwafor

He definitely didn't orchestrate all the activities.
But it would be hard to believe that he wasnt aware. [/color]

[color=royalblue]I can't believe this is Segedinho

What Donjazet cannot spoil, does not exist

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[color=royalblue]SARS searched a hotel room and found human skulls.

They did not request for the details of the customer. They marked the hotel for destruction the next day, and arrested the hotel owner.

Did they charge him to court? Nope

They took him to Nwafor and detained him there for weeks.

Then people who want a better Nigeria are defending this kind of injustice.

Our matter never get head at all[/color]