₦airaland Forum

simonjassy:
There is only one problem here which is "you can't disprove what has not been proven".
So when you say something works like this or is this, you first have to prove it.

[color=royalblue]Bro, we will just be going back and forth again

I agree with you bro. Everything must be proven [/color]

simonjassy:
you make a valid point,but just we don't understand how something works does not mean we should jump into conclusions.
For every one of your "uncles" who tithes, there is also a non-tither out there experiencing the same result.

[color=royalblue]That's what I've been saying na

Because you don't believe something does not mean it doesn't exist or work.

That has been my point since[/color]

thelastorca:
The issue I have with all these stories of relatives holding destiny is they are illogical.
1) you are assigning divine power to humans or lesser beings

2) if I had diabolical power, why would I not make myself rich instead of making someone else poor? Like all that child witch nonsense - why would a child make his parents suffer when that suffering would transfer to him? The whole point of selling your soul is worldly success

3) the funny thing is that even fraudsters will tell you they are children of God and attribute their success to God's will. There was a surreal episode on 419eater where the fraudster was telling the scambaiter that his god would deal with him.

[color=royalblue]Like you have doubts, so did I

I don't believe in it. But I saw a living experience.

If you were me, would you argue, or just let them be??

That's why I said everyone should just stick to whatever you believe. Because you no believe no mean say people never experience am[/color]

hypernikao:
Can I use another person's number plates, to bring the car down to PH? Are there any implications I should know of?

[color=royalblue] You'll be shown on Sahara reporters, Daily times and NL front-page as a car jacker....

Nobody would even allow you explain anything.

Don't try it abeg. It's better a car has NO REGISTRATION, than a fake one[/color]

Skimpledawg:
Succintly put.


It cannot my brother.

[color=royalblue]Many things cannot be explained oh.

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https://www.nairaland.com/5789553/chad-gives-nigeria-april-22

[color=royalblue]Larride, what do you think about this?

I think Deby is now full of himself. Which one be deadline to withdraw troops and HE WONT PARTICIPATE IN OPERATIONS OUTSIDE HIS NATIONAL BORDER?[/color]

[color=royalblue] Raumdeuter, let me just drop these two stories here. They are the experiences of two people I know...One is my uncle, the other is a colleague where I worked. I actually did not believe them sha, but it did happen to them. So whether I believe or not doesn't matter. It did work
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I have this uncle of mine. He's the richest in my extended family. He imports in one of the markets in Lagos. In fact, he's a known name in that market. A multimillionaire to be specific.

This man is religious and so believes in tithing. To the extent that his sales girls must calculate his tithes from every day's sales and pay it in the bank that day. If they make any sale after they've paid, they will add it to the next day. He has a particular bank account for his tithes.

Now me, I'm not a consistent tither. I pay when I want and if I want. But when I discuss with my uncle. He tells me

"If you know where and what tithing has done and taken me to, you won't ask me to stop"

So what should I do? Argue with him that it's a lie? It's his experience. It's his testimony. I don't believe in it doesn't change the fact that he saw something in it.

Second story

In my previous place of work, one of the secretaries was my friend. We talked and all that. So one day, we were discussing about spirituality, and I said I don't believe in Witchcraft ( truly o don't). S

She laughed and told me I know nothing. She told me her story. She has only one child: a girl. She was barren for 17 years....17 good years. There was no form of healthcare they didn't try, but they could find nothing. They even tried surrogacy but it failed.

Until one day, a relative called for her and started confessing of how she is the cause of her not giving birth. And pleaded for forgiveness. The next year, she gave birth. She had her only child at the age of 43. Showed me pics and everything

So do I argue with her? Or .......

I didn't believe in Witchcraft, but here was someone it happened to.

Like I said, because you don't believe in something doesn't make it false. Let everybody do what they feel works for them

This life sometimes cannot be explained[/color]

BlueRayDick:
I think what he's saying is; Nigerian Billionaires are rich because of their hustle, sharp practices, having market monopoly in their industry, favor of Govt in power and so many varying factors and not necessary because of the alms they give or charity work they do.

[color=royalblue]How many Nigerian billionaires have monopoly over their markets?
Adenuga
Otedola
Maduka
Chukwuma
BUA group guy

Which one is enjoying monopoly?... Let's leave that argument first

So if Maduka, Dangote, Adenuga tells you they became rich because of God and giving, will you argue with them, or just let them be?[/color]

raumdeuter:
Believes are not always correct

Some people believed twins were evil, were they right?
Some people believed the earth is flat, were they right?

Someone will argue it was the twins they had that caused them evil

Some people in some places put a 6inch nail on the head of a 5yr old because he was sleep talking and they believed anyone sleep talking is a witch

Anything based on beliefs and not reproducible tests in all scenarios is just conjecture

[color=royalblue]Bill gates is the richest man in the world(I think) but he doesn't believe in God. Religious billionaires all over the world cannot smell his back

In Nigeria, Dangote is the richest man. He is a Muslim. In fact, the billionaires in Nigeria (almost all) have some form of religion. They believe in a "God". They pray and give alms, probably tithe too. Yet no Atheist billionaire in Nigeria can smell their back

So would I say our billionaires are stupid and confused for practicing religion?

Or do I just conclude that whatever they do works for them, and I should just find and accept whatever works for me?[/color]

raumdeuter:
There is no evidence that connects giving to becoming rich

People can believe anything, some people once believed the earth is flat and infidelity causes death

[color=royalblue]No evidence to you? Okay
No evidence to them? Wrong

They believe it happened to them, and that's their own beliefs and cup of tea

Like I said, because you don't believe in something doesn't mean it's fault. And it's funny when I see people argue with others over their own experiences

I don't believe in juju. Never seen it, never experienced it. But if someone tells me his life story concerning juju, I don't argue.

Because I don't believe in it, doesn't entirely make it false. That's my point[/color]

Singapore1:
she's a pastor herself .. more like mobile pastor

[color=royalblue]Ohh. Didn't know that

So it must be very pathetic that someone as educated as that, at such a height, believes that tithing got her to where she is[/color]

raumdeuter:
You can put this to test.

Remove that one variable which is tithing and see if they will not be rich and include that variable of tithe into a different person called John and see if John will become rich

If you start paying tithe today and Dangote stops paying tithe, in 5yrs time will you be as rich as him?
If you are not then it shows its not the tithe working but other things

We have many atheist billionaires that have never given tithe.

The first class student that claimed praying was why he passed, tell him to stop praying and the dullard to start praying like him and see if the dullard will make first class

[color=royalblue]But if the first class student says it was prayers that aided him to make 4.5 CGPA, why do I have to dispute that?

Is it every body that study hard that makes first class?

Is it everyone that works hard that is a millionaire, talk more a billionaire?

There are so many atheist billionaires, and there are so many religious billionaires. It's what is working for them..

And yes, if people give me money, I'll definitely become rich. The argument is not whether it makes the pastor rich or not.

The argument is why they believe so[/color]

raumdeuter:
There are people who don't know what is working for them

Some people will tell you eating shiit cured them of disease

All those Ibukun are all part of the system to sell. Its an economy and none of them will cast.

I know many billionaires who never dropped and are blessed

Blessing come from your hardwork not from tithing just like no prayer can make you pass an Arabic exam

[color=royalblue]And I know billionaires that attribute their success to God

Dangote, Maduka, and a lot of others attend churches and mosques, and they believe whatever works for them. So we can agree that they all are confused, and don't know what works for them?

There are people who believe that when they give alms, they receive it back. Does that mean they are being defrauded? Or that they are stupid and confused?

Yes, I agree that some pastors are fake. At least this Covid-19 is revealing that. But because you don't believe in something doesn't make it false

People pay millions as tithes. And to them, it's what's elevating them. You and I don't know them better than they know themselves.[/color]

raumdeuter:
Can we also say yahoo boys and fraudsters are blameless since they didn't put a gun to anybody's head to pay them?

And most of those defrauded are adults

Like religious leaders, A fraudster sells you falsehood to collect your money or blackmails you to collect the money

[color=royalblue] Raumdeuter, you're far too smart to bring such comparisons

The question you should ask is

Is this supposed falsehood working for them?

If yes, how is that our headache?

People like Ibukun Awosika, and very enlightened Nigerians go to these pastors, worship on their churches, pay tithes and tell you it works. To them, they attribute their success and prosperity to their tithe paying and obedience to their "GOD"

How is this related to what Yahoo boys do?[/color]

Ishilove:
Come to my house and see the nyash up close

[color=royalblue] Lockdown [/color]

Ishilove:
No one is available. I'm in self Isolation

[color=royalblue]I will remind you of this again...

You see that your hairy nyash? I must see am [/color]

Ishilove:
I will describe my posterior thus;

Broad

Flat as plywood

Dimpled

Hairy.

I cannot take pictures because I'm using Nokia V3 so let your imagination do the rest.

[color=royalblue] Someone around should take it for you na

What's all these sef? [/color]

airmark:


Na wetin Lingard do that year be that.

Is that what they still call it on the streets?

[color=royalblue]Airmark, my hand no dey

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thelastorca:
Hmm. How u take know say poco get yansh? Izzou, is this true?

[color=royalblue]That, cannot be proven [/color]

Ishilove:
I'm not hiding it. I'm just wondering why he wants to see my flat rear end when we have well endowed gals like Poco.

Seems izzou has a buttocks fetish

[color=royalblue]I don't have any fetish for nyash oh

But for yours, I'm interested....Very simple [/color]

Ishilove:
Izzou, why this fascination with my posterior region?

[color=royalblue] Send it first, and I'll tell you [/color]

afrodoc2:
Best touchline game in Naija senior national team history. There was one NASA pullout he placed on Yekini's chest that i will never forget.
He had a good combination for a short time with Reuben Agboola.

Ishilove:
I almost threw up when I saw the pictures. All for big nyash? What do people like us with pancake buttocks now do?

[color=royalblue]I wonder if that lady can actually sit down.

People don't feel confident in their bodies anymore. Someone will spend millions on a surgery just to get validations from men? Without even thinking of the adverse effects

I feel for her. She had to learn by experience

Meanwhile, pictures of your pancake buttocks please

Don't make me beg,...Abeg [/color]

[color=royalblue]This news has been having rounds of attention lately, and no agency has picked it up

The lady sef should file a lawsuit against the Slay queened doctor.

IG and Twitter no be court[/color]

diggz:
Stop it!! Cell structure wey dey winners since 90's! Bros find another thing talk

[color=royalblue]I didn't even want to quote him on that

Ibime lives in the abroad, so it's possible he isn't aware.

RCCG, Winners, DLCF and a good number of churches were already doing that decades before now[/color]

[color=royalblue]It's only in Nigeria that the people will queue under sun to vote Buhari and Jonathan, then come back to ask for good roads and hospitals from their churches

Every tithe preaching pastor is a thief? Let me agree with that.
Did they force Nigerians to pay tithes?

I am a Christian and Adeboye, Oyedepo, Oyalhilome, and all of them have never eaten my #1. So how are they thieves? If their members feel they need to pay them for whatever reason, how is that the problem of the country?

Some say their members are poor and they are living large....Maybe you should attend a service in Ota or Oregun, and see the calibre of people paying millions as tithes. Whether these men are dubious or not, successful people believe them and pay their tithes.

The strength we use to label pastors as fraudsters and thrives, if channeled to your LGA chairman, we will have basic amenities in abundance

Our pastors and Imams are not our problem. It's the useless people we will vote in 2023 that will be the problem again[/color]

CAPSLOCKED:
AS BEGGARS COMMITTEE OF NAIRALAND, OUR P.R.O (DAVASH22) WILL BE COMING OVER TO COLLECT SMALL GIVEAWAY FROM YOUR FOOD.

ABEG "HEP US". WE NO EVEN NEED MEAT, JUST DOUBLE THE MOI-MOI.

[color=royalblue] Happy Easter Caps [/color]

[color=royalblue]Tojahh, come take [/color]

Ishilove:
As long as man keeps having sexual urges, ashawo no go ever end.

[color=royalblue]Never

It's will boom to a trillion dollar industry in the future sef

We never see anything yet. People are starting to bury their shame. Years from now, people will boldy out Ashawo as a profession[/color]

Expert17:
OR

Arsenal 0 UCL

Scholes 2 UCL

you'r welcome

[color=royalblue]Most times, I see you as one who knows stats, but don't know how to use it

Are we talking about team or individual achievements?

Ronaldo and Messi will forever be failures then[/color]

Ishilove:
Oh. Maybe I have come across it before but I didn't take note because it is of no consequence to me.

Ashawo no be work abeg, even though ironically it is one of the oldest professions after farming, hunting, stone masonry and carpentry.

[color=royalblue]But there is a demand na.

I most times see the clients as the catalyst for the profession. If man no fck, Ashawo go enter house

Simple [/color]

Ishilove:
Codedruns... Did they advertise on Nairaland? Click ads?

[color=royalblue]They did advertise here.

And you're likely to see people talk about them online, or run into it[/color]