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Somebody upthread used the word 'entitlement' but I wouldn't go that far.

From the point of view of your brother, 'send me money' out of the blue could be an 'oh oh, here we go again' moment - a sign of things to come. He may have therefore felt your previous attempts at relating to him was leading down this path. Understand that I said 'from his point of view'.

Many Nigerians abroad have experienced this over and over again - that old school buddy, the Aunty that used to change your nappies ... so that they've become much more wary since these have all led to the one thing ie, request for money. It can be overwhelming and they cannot have 'normal' conversations or relationships again given everyone seems to see you as a walking, talking ATM. Yes, they may be more privileged but these people work really, really hard for their money too, life's not easy abroad.

The other point is that 'send me money' in a vacuum is assumed to be throwing money away. This is my Childrens' inheritance and my pension we are talking about. What if they're using it to buy 'Aso-Ebi', or worse, to play MMM (I have direct experience of this one)?

'Uncle, I have been thinking of this business idea and wanted to get your advice' ... is the best way to prove you are a serious young person and ingratiate yourself to a relative abroad, again from my experience. Trust me, you might most likely get the money without asking.

All IMO, of course.

johnson232:
The op should be the one thanking you for opening his eyes to potential problems...At least now he is gonna be very careful in dealing with anybody, most notably the said engr Osaz...

Yes, and as a 'potential client' I have learnt that client 'Olawale' had a bad experience with 'Engr Osaz'. He toook the time to state his case and evidently suffered some anguish during the whole process. No one has the right to diminish that, or accuse him of 'blackmail'.

I have also learnt that Engr Osaz does have some satisfied past clients and the issues to do with this job could have been avoided. IT means I won't disqualify him from any future shortlist, but I will be clearer in my expectations / specificatuions.

I have also learnt, perhaps, employing a professional (eg, QS) as an interface could help prevent some of the issues.

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See, so much education in just one morning on Nairaland - no need for insults or wahala. Kudos to all contributors and apologies to OP for the tangential direction the thread took.

thehedge:
but you dont think about this trash when you ask for sex

Sex is an affirmation of a relationship between two people, something that brings them closer, and enjoyed by both.

If you even merely consider it as what goes with some monetary spend ... how do i put it? You's a Ho, my darling.

The 'Apostle' looking side side be like ...

kingsley2rhyme:
Many people are here making foolery of themselves thinking they are mocking the mmm participants.
It might interest the senseless mockers that people are getting help and some are still providing help. When the scheme was on break, it should have been a known fact that in order to get help, u should be ready to provide help first. I think the mmm management just realized how impatient people are in wanting to get help than provide help.
I'm not a guider or whatever but I can say that some people are established from the scheme and for those talking rubbish about mmm getting their money back, it's not a bank and it doesn't collect people's money, u only provide mutual help to each other.

Of course, some people are established ... with other people's money!!

Don't you understand? There's no new money created, no productivity - nothing.

That's why we've been trying to warn people off this scheme. It was 100% proven that some [stupid] people would be left holding the mess.

Youths of today.

How can you wilfully alienate half of your potential 'mentors', 'helpers', 'employers', 'investors' on a public forum through unguarded statements deliberately designed to hurt not the guilty minority, but the innocent majority? Why do you barb your words so as to create barriers between yourselves, in the urge to gather yourselves into little cliques of happy brothers, singin ' na dem, na dem' while oblivious to the many intolerances your own group embodies?

Then, you genuinely need help and come here again knowing Nigerians are notoriously generous without fear or favor when the need is real, they check your posting history ... ah, tumbleweeds because, you done sh*t on your own doorstep.


Stewpid.

tammie24:
and so don't you think it's better to build another one once and for all that upgrading all sorts of rubbish in other to renovate an old old one

I don't think it costs that much to build a new one tho

It's not so much the cost of actually building the thing than the land acquisition and other environmental studies so it would probably not make sense given the number of flights to Abuja.

A new runway would need to be perpendicular or near-perpendicular to the existing one to give you the operational flexibility. The required land area is therefore a rectangle whose sides are the lengths of the two runways (old and new). Quite a lot of land, and Abuja airport is ringed with land relating to people's livelihoods. You also need to commission detailed environmental studies eg, bird migration paths, etc.

In these difficult times, perhaps a few weeks inconvenience can be accepted as the best alternative.

IMO, of course.

HomeOfMe:
The cbn is sponsoring the champaign against mmm because it has affected banks negatively. Banks are suffering because customers would rather invest their money in schemes like this and later in prosperties rather than leaving it in the banks. What happened in december that people couldnt withdraw the amount of money they needed shows that banks are broke. There's a financial revolution going on in the world presently,and instead of our banks to copy their counterpart abroad by coming down on their interest rate,they're busy fighting MMM. The mavrodians or whatever they are called were well aware of the terms and conditions before entering the scheme;just like joining a secret cult-they should be prepared for anything,enough of the noise!

My sister, MMM is actually very good for the banks. As you are transferring money to each other (using the banks, abi?) the total volume of money in the banking system hardly changes. And they are making money from all the transaction fees.

Kontinue.

InvertedHammer:
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Why are you wasting precious time preaching to MMM disciples? The handwriting is clearly written, but they'd rather live in fantasy world built on denial.

IF they pay the small accounts, the bigger accounts are still waiting. Of course, the smaller accounts will be delusional to throw back money into the system. [b]Everyone is on self-rescue mission. [/b]Folks are praying to get their original funds back (30% interest is not even a consideration for now).

The more you preach against MMM, the more those whose funds are trapped feel threatened by the expose' and they will attack.
I think the MMM issue is overflogged. Let it be. The inevitable will hit them like a pack of Mike Tyson's punches.
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Please, please, please don't discourage these sorts of 'common-sense' articles. Let those greedy ones stuck in the system vent and curse, na their wahala. My own concern is to discourage new folks from even contemplating joining. The self-rescue mission includes recruiting gullible new members to come and stock up the system. These new 'blood donors may be your little brother, cousin,nephew. niece etc

Like I said, let them swim in the muck they created but let's continue to spread the word that it's muck.


My story:
I got familiar with a guy who picks me up at the airport and run around when I come into Naija. I bought a car for him last July to hustle in the cabbie business. We agreed he's to pay back small stuff regularly into one of my accounts I monitor (I really don't want the money back, I intend to hand it over to his wife for his young kid's education - never met her though). Since November he's not paid anything into the account and gone AWOL (phone, whatsapp). I had another driver pick me up from the Airport this week and he told me this guy got involved in this MMM nonsense.

(9) could be simply replaced as agreement with Okafor's Law of Congodynamics*





* A congo once shined can always be re-shined at any time provided it was shined <<properly>> the first time.

Not black magic - more like lies (on the part of the blogger) and ignorance (on your part).

A displaced Queen bee looking for an suitable place for a hive will settle in the most convenient place and a crevice within the body of a parked motorcycle is as good as any. Her entourage will immediately begin congregate to build a new hive. I've seen this in many places so the picture proves nothng that it was a stolen motorcycle - these bloggers can make anything up.

Andyblaze:
I normally use the ATMs so i dont know how withdrawal in the bank halls work.

Please clarify me on this...

I did it for the first time last month when visiting Nigeria.

I filled the withdrawal form and signed it. I had my passport to hand but the cashier said it was not required. I noticed she was looking at my face and then the computer screen so she was probably verifying the picture that was taken during the BVN verification exercise.

ilenaira:


I was going to write how anyone who invests in a scheme that produces nothing, sells nothing and has no verifiable investment vehicle, but 'miraculously' gives 30% returns deserve all the pain and suffering they will eventually get when the ponzi/pyramid scam folds but your analogy is a lot better.

Dem eye go clear when boys use their money enjoy December.

It is not an innocent pyramid at all too as the proponents continue to say.

Think. What's in it for the MMM insiders? The ones who designed and control the computer program that allocates providers to helpers? Who wrote this program? Who audits this program?

With one line of code, they can discreetly send a lot of 'help' to their shill accounts and progressively skim the system. This will not kill the system instantly since thay are only re-routing a small percentage but it will surely hasten the day of reckoning.

Temmywalex:
Everyone participating in MMM are aware of the warning and risk involved before they join. They only agreed that the risk is worth taking. So, they know better than you before joining. Stop criticizing them and keep your warning to yourself.

I disagree. Not everyone is fully aware of the risk. Or, just like a Russian Roulette, they hope and pray they don't end up with the bullet. The bullet is coming.

If you are honest, you know this will crash once the amount of receipts is not enough to support the amount of requests so it is in your interest (as a current participant) to continue to recruit new members to support the pyramid.

By the same token, it is in my interest as a responsible Nigerian mentor to prevent gullible new players from joining the scheme since they run the risk of being the 'last men standing' so to speak when the scheme inevitably comes crashing down.

No offence, we have different motivations. I understand your need to get rich on others' heads so I hope you too understand my need to prevent others losing their heads to you.

So, I was staying at the Sheraton Abuja last weekend and I came across a well dressed guy in Kaftan wandering around the grounds with holding his little daughter by her hand. They were obviously very close and girl (about 3 - 4 yrs) was obviously very intelligent. It was his interaction with this little girl that caught my attention - he was pointing out plants and things to this kid and actually having a conversation in a manner that reminded me of my kids when they were little.

As I passed by, he began to speak to me (difficult to hear as he was softly spoken). Upon asking if I worked at the hotel, to which I replied negatively, he told me he worked for some bank in Adamawa, and had traveled to Abuja with his family to visit his brother who was staying at this hotel (the Sheraton). He claimed they were staying at another hotel elsewhere (Maraba??) but only had N3,000 left and could not pay the N5,500 rate that hotel demanded. He claimed he had been waiting in the Sheraton with his family for several hours and his brother had not shown up. It was rather late then (9pm) and the kids had not had anything to eat.

I told him I had nothing with me and he thanked me,

My late grandmother's exhortations appeared to me as I went up to my room. Everything she had drummed into me kicked in and doing nothing was just not an option. I fetched a 50 pound note from my travel stash and returned downstairs but couldn't find them where I left them (if you know the Sheraton Abuja, it was the big water feature in the middle of the hotel, by the restaurant downstairs). I later found them sitting in the bar area - he was with his wife and another older daughter. The four of them sat on a table next next to a big fat man with chicken bones across his plate. Obviously, there was nothing on the table in front of this family but that little girl was still quite chatty and interacting closely to her Dad. The mum looked very miserable and sad.

I called him quietly to one side and gave him the note, pointing out that he could change it for Naira just outside the hotel gates. He thanked me as I shook his hands goodbye and left him to rejoin his family.

What may have brought any suspicion is that I saw the entire family walking briskly past the front door, and through the gates very soon after. A bit too rushed and in a hurry I must say.

In any case, if I was scammed - for the sake of that delightful little girl, I do not mind one bit. I'm just asking out of curiosity, and if anyone else has come across something similar. I know times are hard.

No abuse please. Thanks

Achorise:
where are the civilized western unbelievers, who doubts the existence of witches. if you like mock pastors and churches, God remains God.

thugmansion:
Oga, Am quite sure you were there. Be careful so as not to incure the wrath of God.

OSESUNATE:
I know all atheist know there is God but they are just living in self denial

See all these ejeets above. A pox on all your houses.

I try not to resort to profanity on social media so I apologize for bystanders vexxed by my words. I simply wish I can transfer the anger I'm feeling now to hammer these three fools quoted above.

Nigeria is no place for the weak and unprotected. I am yet to see a strong, muscle bound, strapping 'wizard' being lynched. These coward always pick on children and old women.

RIP - old lady, I sincerely hope you find solace in the bosom of whatever true God exists, definitely not the 'God' these idiots profess to worship.

#UKNigeria to follow.

biliment:
Thank you for the advice... I really appreciate.

You're welcome. Good luck with your studies and always remember the importance of presentation in this competitive world.

biliment:
Gud morning sir. M a student of building department presently undergoing my final year project. The topic m addressing is "impact of community relation on the performance of construction project". Briefly, dis topic focuses on the way construction companies in a community relates with the host environment to have a better performance of project @ hand, n how the community perceives the strategies use by the company in relating with the community. So, sir base on ur comment on the development fee charged by the community of ur project n ur interest on putting a solution to this, I don't know if u can b of help in administering my questionair in ur area. Xpctn ur response.

I'd like to advise you, this is not how you communicate with people you are not 'whatapping' or instagramming' or badoo-ing or 'facebooking' with. All the sense in your sentence is diminished by your unprofessional use of language.

You call yourself a student - always try to think, write and act like one.

OP is a jobless fantasist. It's a waste of precious bandwidth giving him any attention. He has serious psychological problems

See all his topics ...

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freecocoa:
You do have to put in consideration what things the girl has seen and experienced growing up, all that is part of what will mould her. Some people grew up in homes with no iota of love and end up not knowing how to show love themselves. I do sincerely believe the girl can change(change remains the only constant after all).

Just keep the baby away from her for the time being, watch her, talk to her, try and show her why she shouldn't be so callous, you never know, you just might be the saviour she needs to become a better person.

I do wonder. All these Nollywood brain-addled people here have lost touch of basic human compassion. She's 9 years old ferchissakes! She's incapable of evil in the sense of the word. Leave all these people with their imaginary witches and wizards, it's just a complicated developmental issue with this kid.

You do not know what trauma she's been through but you need to make the decision whether you're in for the long ride with this kid, or not. Did you intend to treat her as one of yours, through thick and thin? Or not.

Believe me, there's a wonderful human being under that curious (maybe jealous) personality. I was something like that when I was young - felt abandoned after my mum left, sent off to live with non-relatives to make room for a new step-family - a total bundle of mischievous evil and I can tell you - no be winch! I am here today through patient love, and I'm repaying that with the way I live my life and always giving props to my guardians.

You might not recognize this, but whatever great being you believe in (God?) has given you a chance to shine with this challenge.

kowema:
@ Pretty002, Call me on 08064956690, I'm about to pay for a house in Dutse, we cud share d rent . it's 200k total, new house, fenced with steady light nd water.
The second option is, I'd host u 4 four months if u can't afford for now.
I'm paying for d House Latest Tomorrow.

I'm new in town too, I was transferred from Lagos nd I know d feeling.

Not connected with the OP but sent you a PM.

WiseBully:
A ploy to kill Christian evangelism, totally eliminate outdoor crusades as well as impede apostolic visits. Someone should tell him that it is a wild goose chase. Others have gone this anti-Christian path before, their scars are there for all to see. Nigeria isn't Turkey. Today the entire world comes to Nigeria to learn how Christian warfare prayers are made.

You rootless Christians that are applauding this self-destructive policy, be ready to share in the disaster that will follow shortly. Nigeria may not have great scientists, but we sure can boast of a considerable number of Christian prayer warlords. El Rufai and every lawmaker that assent this bill will wish they never visited this world when Heaven opens their case files.

I advise him to go ask Oshiomhole why he inexplicably rescinded his decision to tax church signposts in Edo state. My GOD, the Christian GOD is a Consuming Fire (Hebrews 12:29).

So, you will wake up early tomorrow and go queue up in front of Embassies of those countries that would rather have Scientists than Prayer Warriors. Security men will flog your stupid ass while you beg for visa.

Your Prayer Warriors are only good for warfare, abi?. You are simply delusional.

My Grandma, very stern and liked to 'discipline' us when she visits. Always complaining our Parents were too lax.

One day, just me and her in the room ... this disgusting fart smell.

I be like ...

NobleAngell:
This is heart breaking. Can't believe people who are meant to build Christianity are tearing it down. This money can be used to feed 5 orphanages for 3 years. But again am not judging him am just airing my opinion. I don't attend his church even though its not far from my house. At this rate, I think my offerings and tithes will be taken to beggars rather than my church cos I don't understand pastors of these days.

Wise words sister. You belief is your belief and should come from you, not through the deliberately distorted prism of all these con-men.

Giving directly to the less privileged is one of the most psychologically empowering things you can ever do IMO.

Just think, if the Gateman in supposed Heaven says to you - "why did you not pay your tithes to the church?" and you say "I gave the money to beggars, widows and orphans", only a malevolent God will deny you entry.

Wahala ...

Izugab:
Actually since I've paid the acceptance fee. What's remaining is the laptop fee of N70 000 and N58 950 which is N128 950. But according to the school and those that were cleared, I can pay the laptop on installment of N25 000 basis.
So the money I need now is N58 950(school fees) and N25 000 which will amount to N83 950.

Ok, sent you an email through Nairaland.