By the way I do intend to show you a thousand and one cases where the major motivation for rape was sexual gratification right after you do my own research.

ApexTitan:


Yeah except that the cases that are reported on this forum usually involve the rape of a minor - obvious instances where dressing can be discounted as a factor.

To prove your hypothesis bring forth cases where it is proven that sexual gratification was the motivator for the rapist then show the effect (or lack of) that target dressing had in triggering the sexual desire that led to that rape.

This is how people fail exams, I just asked you to pull out 20 threads and show me at least 1 case that has provocative dressing as the major motivation and you are charting off course. Do the nairaland statistics I asked for first then we can discuss the rightness or wrongness of my hypothesis.

It's either you tell me you found such and such number or you found none, I didn't ask how many were minors or adults yet.
Even outside nairaland not all cases will be reported so let's work with the ones that are reported here I.e nairaland as our case study.

So, give me an objective answer to my previous question then we can have a good debate.

ApexTitan:


I did read through and I have questions.

This line from the PDF Myth: Rape victims provoke the attack by wearing provocative clothing
• Victims range in age from days old to those in their nineties, hardly provocative dressers.

This shows that victims may come from any age group and that target dressing, to borrow the lingo, is not a universal factor in rape cases. This we already agree on. What still remains unanswered is whether target dressing has no influence whatsoever in victims who were sexually mature. It almost like they are saying that absence of evidence is evidence of absence.

In the first link it says one of the motivators of rape is sexual gratification but it does not elaborate further on this in a manner that satisfies us. Here is my question again; is sexual gratification completely uninfluenced by target dressing?

The other link about sexual harassment in the work place raises even more questions. Theresa Meiner leans to the conclusion that the more provocatively a woman is dressed the less likely she is to be harassed. Is this a conclusion that also holds outside of the workplace?

Again my impression from all of these is this; It almost like they are saying that absence of evidence is evidence of absence.

pull out 20 rape threads on nairaland homepage from 1 month back and point out 3 instances were the victims were dressed provocatively or is known to always dress provocatively. Let's take statistics, I'll leave you to make conclusion from the result of the statistics which will prove my hypothesis that what you are wearing has no effects on whether you get raped or not.

Timbuktou:


These are the kind of people that want equal representation in legislature and other political office

If you were a lawmaker how would you tackle the rape problem in Nigeria?

oga sir leave me alone jare.

I no dey mood to type long story today.

Shymm3x:


Well, I don't know any rapist that has gone scot-free - but I know a lot of folks who have been wrongly accused of rape.

Consent is now very difficult to define these. Heck, some guy was just telling me recently that they're investigating him for rape. And I know he isn't that type of guy. But his problem is white chics and I already told to leave 'em snow bunnies alone. You'd be surprised that this isn't the first time...he was accused of rape by a next white chic when he was like 18. That put his life and football career on hold for three years. The case just got dismissed about a year ago and now he's caught a next one, with a next white chic. The guy is just 22 - look at how they've messed up his life?

Anyway, his case has been transferred to CPS according to him and he's still waiting if he'll be charged or not, despite lack of evidence. That's how serious it's

in Nigeria a lot of rapists go scot free

ApexTitan:


Good your point is noted ... And challenged. Can you prove the line in bold?

Should women, in adhering to your claim, dress as seductively as they can manage when they go to known rough areas. Would you advice your daughter to not consider what she wears at all?

The four motivations for rape are sexual gratification,
anger rape, power rape, and sadistic rape. Sexual
gratification is generally believed to be the motivation
behind acquaintance and date rape. Anger rape is
generally not premeditated, but it is violent and spurred
by anger and resentment toward women. Power rape is
spurred by the need to control and dominate. Sadistic
rape is usually premeditated and ritualized, frequently
subjecting victims to degradation, mutilation, torture, or
murder. (Rathus, S.A., Nevid, J.S., and Fichner-Rathus,
L. (2005). Human sexuality in a world of diversity.(6th
ed.) Boston, MA: Allyn and Bacon cited in http://
voices.yahoo.com/a-clinical-look-rape-12079426.html )

This is what clinical professor of psychiatry Andrea Parrot had to say " http://
www.holysmoke.org/fem/fem0126.htm
The majority of the sexual attacks (55-61%) committed
by these men were premeditated across their first,
middle, and last rapes, while fewer rapists reported their
crimes as being impulsive (15-22%) or opportunistic
(22-24%)." take note of the word opportunustic

This study by Theresa Meiner, focuses on the topic: Sexy
Dressing Revisited: Does Target Dress Play a Part in
Sexual Harassment Cases? You can find the entire study
here http://scholarship.law.duke.edu/cgi/
viewcontent.cgi?article=1109&context=djglp . Her
conclusion:
When I began research for this article, I expected to find
many cases involving allegations that the plaintiff
“welcomed” the sexual harassment by her workplace
attire. I was surprised to find that this was a rare case.
Defendants were not using the woman’s dress to weasel
out of claims, but instead, the woman’s dress most
commonly was present in allegations by plaintiffs.
Plaintiffs frequently raised comments about their dress
as part of their sexual harassment allegations. This
would seem to open the door to defendants, who might
use evidence of target dress to argue that the plaintiff
welcomed the harassment. Yet, that was not the case. I
have tried to account for the lack of case law and, in the
process, have gone back to the root cause of sexual
harassment: power. Sexual harassment is about power;
therefore, a target who is dressed provocatively is not
the ideal target for the would-be harasser, who appears
motivated at least in part by his ability to dominate his
victim. Provocative dress does not necessarily signify
submissiveness but instead may be an indication of
confidence and assertiveness. It is clear, however, that
comments about dress directed at plaintiffs are a
component of sexual harassment allegations. Comments
about dress are used to undermine working women’s
authority and should be considered seriously by courts
assessing sexual harassment claims.
From this study we may be moved to conclude that the
more provocatively dressed a woman is dressed the less
likely she is to be harassed. This finding seems to agree
with this feed shared by @Cherox in which I was copied
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jtes/sexual-assault-survivors-
answer-the-question-what-were-you-w . Most of the
women in this interview were definitely not provocatively
dressed.
Do well to check out the pdf file below

Shymm3x:


But I doubt the first thing most folks thought about back then whenever they see an half-nak3d woman was sex. It's so bad today that as a guy, when you meet a chic, the first thing you're thinking about is what she's going to look like nak3d and what sex with her would feel like. That's just the mental conditioning and how sexualised the society is. Also, when you turn on ya TV, almost everything is about sex. It was never like that.

Who told you rapists go scot-free in today's world? Rape is a very serious offence...so serious that even anyone can claim rape and they'd take it seriously and make ya life miserable. That's how serious it's.

Nigeria is a cesspit...let's leave that dream killing contraption out of this.

look at you shymexx Google is your friend. Check out the high percentage of rapists who go scot free against the number who do the time. Like you said Nigeria is a cesspit and I do hope things get better soon tho

5minsmadness:


Most of what you have said is correct.
However it is wrong to surmise that a rapist will not be turned on by the provocative dressing of the female sex.
.
.
Are u saying those that practice BD_SM have a mental disorder?

I maintain the word normal rather than decent because anything as related to a disorder is abnormal. Decency only comes to play when I am discussing on moral grounds which I am not on. I am on mental health, understanding the phenomenon behind rape and the working of the mind of rapists. BD_SM is an abnormal sexual orientation, just like homosexuality, and other fetishes.
By the way only a minute percentage of rapists are turned on by provocative dressing. Out of the rape cases that has been on nairalands page for the past one month can you point out a single one that was caused by provocative dressing I'd like to see at least 1.
By the way do you realize that some Homosexuals get turned on by a guys ripped abs? Would you justify the Homosexuals too when then go into a rape frenzy? Would you blame it on the male victims showing off their 6packs.?

ApexTitan:


Hold up.

Do not try to flip the script here; no one is making excuses for criminals or rapists. Every reasonable person here condemns the act so your moral high-ground accusations won't fly.

Apparently you just jumped into this debate without reading the submissions on the other pages. I have said repeatedly that we agree that not all rape cases are caused by a lady's dressing or lack of. The point me and several other posters having been making is that ladies will do well to not dress in a provocative or slutty manner in order not to incite criminals. Nowhere was it said that such dressing was the cause of ALL rapes, how many times does that need to be repeated on this thread? Haba.

the thread was dangerously tilted towards the "what you wore caused you to be raped" I had to correct that erroneous ideology.
You assume that every reasonable person here condemns the acts without the usual what we're you wearing factor but if an anonymous poll was conducted right now you would be shocked at how many Nigerians think how you are dressed is directly proportional to the chances of you being raped.

To cut short the long talks let me summarize by saying 'HOW YOU ARE DRESSED DOES NOT IN ANYWAY REDUCE YOUR CHANCES IF BEING RAPED, IF A RAPIST IS NEARBY AND OPPORTUNITY PRESENTS ITSELF, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER YOU ARE ALL WRAPPED UP LIKE AN EGYPTIAN MUMMY OR AS NAKED AS THE DAY YOU WERE BORN, YOU ARE NOT SAFE'

5minsmadness:


@bolded is not true pls.
You would do well to differentiate between a rapist, a serial rapist, a nymphomaniac and a paedophile.
****re-enters ghost mode.

they are all mental disorders, abnormal sexual orientations. and except for nyphomania, everyone of them is a crime

Normal guys would lose an erection at a girl who was screaming, kicking, crying. But for a rapist, it only serves as a kind of turn on, they get harder instead, it arouses them.
Pedophilia, you already know that one.
Nyphomania is also a disorder not influenced by what someone is wearing, they just feel that urge to have sex constantly, no amount of sex satisfies their drive. There is a difference between been a nympho and having a high sex drive which is perfectly healthy and normal cause someone with a high drive can be satisfied but a nympho can never be satisfied

All the above medical conditions you mentioned require serious mental attention

Shymm3x:


Being sexualised is mental conditioning and nothing physical. Back then, the society wasn't so much about having sex with just anyone...it was more of a thing done by adults behind closed doors. Unlike today where sex is everything and the number of people you have sex with, the more ya bragging rights. Do you get the drift now?

Lol at the vicious attack on my Ijebuland. Blame Nigeria for turning my beloved Ijebu into a cesspit...but that doesn't negate the fact that we've always been township dwellers.

What could be more sexualized than our fore father's who had as many is 10 wives,you think the women were just for decorative purposes Sex was involved joor. believe me, there were rapists or people with rape tendencies, in fact sincerely there were a few cases of rape which were met with stiff penalties, this served as a deterrent for those who had such tendencies. but in today's society rapists go scot free. That is why I keep saying it's not about mental conditioning or how sexuaized the society has become. It is a psychological thing.
How do you explain a married man whose wife lives under same roof with him raping his own child and blaming it on the devil?
Why do rapists never blame the half naked girls.? Why do they always blame the devil

Even my village was the hub of ancient civilization but what do we have today? Kleptomaniac politicians who have decided to loot us blind

ApexTitan:


Whoa! So we have it on your authority that the scanty cladding on supple bodied female will have no effect on a criminal minded man whatsoever. It will not incite in any form a sex-starved man with no regard for personal restraint to have sex.

OK.

How many mothers and sisters out there are willing to put your claim to the test? Ladies please in order to prove this please dress only in a perforated bra and g-string, make sure you oil your bodies down to a glossy sheen too for good measure, then take a lazy stroll through the notorious streets of Compton or Mushin at night. If you should come across any sex-starved mean faced man don't worry, heck stop and pretend to pick up something you dropped making sure your derrière is full view of said mean faced man. After that come and tell us your experience.

lol, so you think only sex starved men rape.? Professor ndifon could have had any woman of his choice at his Beck and call but he chose to rape, same with the afeez guy from unilag.

I would also like to know if the 14yr old girl who was raped recently in Ikorodu by a bike man was dressed seductively with well tanned and oiled skin.

Men who rape do not do it because no women are available or because women are sexually exposed. You want to tell me pedophilia is caused by d little babies well oiled bodies
It's a PSYCHOLOGICAL disoder just like the kleptomania which your country's politicians are suffering from. Unless you keep the thieves away from your political offices, your treasuries are not safe. Do you say the monies were too enticing to the politicians so it's not their fault they carted it away?

I am sick of Nigeria seriously, you make excuses for rapists and thieves and kidnappers. How bad can it be

Shymm3x:


Not holding brief for rapists...however, you'd agree with me that the society wasn't as sexualised as it's today. And who knows what happened then since a lot of things were taboos. Even today, most rape victims are scared of reporting rape due to the stigma attached to it. Now imagine how the 60s would've been.

Lmao! Stop telling porkies - you're not Ijebu. Ijebu has no village - we've always had towns and lived in townships.

most of the traditional dances back then especially in the east were sensual. Shaking your buttock vigorously in 2 small piece wrappers, what could be more sensual than that

Ijebu is a village with very dusty uncompleted road projects. I don't even think they have electricity yet

Shymm3x:


But you'd admit that back then, everything wasn't as utter sexualised as the society we live in today and sex was somewhat sacred back then, yes? I believe the society also contributed a lot to what's happening today.

And what village are you from, if I may ask?

Yes, heck you should see the kind of skirts n dresses my mum wore in the early sixties, it would shame today's mini skirts. Yet were they raped?

Rape crimes has increased because rapists get away with it. In the old days if you were unfortunate to have raped someone even your family become outcasts automatically but in this modern day people are proud of being rapists


I am from ijebu

Mindfulness:


And you chose to focus on feminism when your energy is needed much more elsewhere. Why?
Because you think that men in the West suffer even though Nigerian men suffer MUCH MORE but definitely not because of feminism.

imagine the number of women bashing threads on front page every day and threads created by boys giving women rules on how to treat men. How many females have they seen creating threads to give men rules?

How won't they be broke continually

Mindfulness:


Except for Great Britain, where there are some crazy cases of radical feminism stories circling in the media, feminism is not a priority topic in MOST European countries. Millions of men marry and even re-marry EVERY YEAR. Those who don't, don't marry for many different reasons other than feminism. And yet, their level of development and their economies are 100 years ahead of what you will encounter in Nigeria. And Nigeria does not seem to be catching up. Chances are extremely low they will catch up in the next 100 years.

don't mind him joor. I saw him make a reference to how feminism is a world problem and even a problem of his cause he stated how scared he was that women far away West were breaking toilet sits. Now story has changed

Timbuktou:


I realise that it might difficult for you to comprehend but one can do more than one thing at a point in time, or have different activities running concurrently.

Your point is difficult to understand. Are you saying feminism should be ignored because there are other ills in the society? If so, I'd say thanks for your time. You may open a thread to that effect. In this thread, we're talking about feminism not equating equality. Whether it is a negligible pursuit to advocate against it isn't relevant in this discourse.

Let me help you: a video was posted in which a young woman explains why she doesn't identify as feminist. She listed her reasons, do you think her reasons have any merit or not? There, that's a simplification.

Blah blah blah

Truckpusher:
Lol, I have received a lot but it's because they knew that I was going to pay back the next few minutes or days and even add more than they can ever imagine.

Right now I'm about to receive some cool cash from my girlfriend to enable me go gallivant with another sweet girl.

Stop frowning your face , no be the same thing una dey do us?

lmao, @gallivanting end time boyfriend Not everyone one of them is expecting something in return, some give because they truly want to, just like not all guys that give want to get in a girls pants.

Mindfulness:


I live in the West. I have lived in several European countries. I don't need google. Life is MUCH BETTER in the West, for MEN and WOMEN!

please tell him, maybe he is speaking for the blacks in the West not these whites that I know of

Timbuktou:

Feminism is a worldwide problem. They're smashing toilets and lying about men everywhere. I'm a man and don't want to suffer the same misfortunes as men in the west. About how it affects the economy, all you need do is look at the number of men opting out of marriage. Married men statistically provide more to the economy than bachelors. You can google this claim up, outbursts such as this will be disregarded.



Nah, you're in no position to tell me where to face. As a rational, thinking person, what you should do is offer me your opinion and try to convince me to follow. I may rant about feminism all day but the objective is lost on you. The reason anyone should take me serious when I rant about feminism is that everything I have said about it happens to be true. If men in countries where feminism reigns supreme tell me it is a dangerous, anti-man, anti-family movement. I think I have the right as a man and an aspiring family man and community vanguard to spread the word and resist its ills as fastidiously as I can. Ranting about feminism is more honourable than you could imagine, but that's my opinion of course. Men like me are prized. Women with class and grace know that.


You don't know squat about how men become great. If you did you would be anti-feminist with everything you have. It is men like me who are the pillar of society. The men in those countries you so adore wish they had done what I now do.

Mr man that knows so much, so
1. feminism is the reason why you don't have steady power supply even after 55yrs of independence,
2. feminism is the reason why all your politicians are carting away funds meant for the society,
3. feminism is the reason why the educational and Healthcare sector is in dumps,
4. feminism is the reason why even the security officials who are supposed to protect you are the ones who destroy you,
5. feminism is the reason why good roads are alien to Nigeria,
6. feminism is the cause of naira devaluation.
7.feminism is the cause of high rates of unemployment
I can see how feminism has destroyed your economy

So smashing toilets and lying against men is a world issue, lame!
How honorable of you to spend your precious time fighting feminism while your economy degenerates to a deplorable mess.
You should even call for for a UN meeting to discuss how threatening this feminism is after all that is what great men do
Keep living in a fools paradise my brother, it's is allowed

Truckpusher:
E concern me wella, Nigerian feminists wants equality in everything but do not want the same when it comes to spending power.

No matter how rich you're Nigerian girlfriend is she will always want you to pick the tab.

You want equal representation in day to day activities but you don't share the same philosophy when it comes to spending abi? Iffa hear.

lol. Who no like free goodies, if you see someone who wants to pick up all ur bills now shey you no go follow am bumper to bumper.
There is a level you get to in a relationship that who picks the tabs wouldn't count anymore.
For example, I invited a male friend for a wedding, he said he was bored and broke so I just wanted him to have a little fun.
I offered to pay his fares to and from which I did. On returning while we were Getting close to his house he suddenly changed his mind and told me he didn't want to go home rather her wants to go hang out with a pal so I should pay the extra cab fares. I simply told him that wasn't part of our arrangement enter taxi dey go my house abeg. I am sure that if a girl did that to you, you would be very offended and come here to rant about how Nigerian girls are ungrateful.
The point is, Nigerian girls are not as bad as nairaland boys paint them to be. Or can you swear that you have never received a dime for any girl in your life.?

ApexTitan:
^^ You are right, women should fight for a safer society by dressing in a manner that might incite criminals to assault them, after all it's not a clothing issue at all.

lol. You don't get it. I am a psychologist and I can tell you that clothing doesn't incite rapists.
It's a deep sitted psychological disorder not arising from clothing.

Even if every woman in the world would face veils like the Arabs, rapists would still rape that. It won't reduce the incidences.

I get really pissed off when educated people make stupid assumptions without doing any research.

Rape doesn't have anything to do with clothing, rapists are not incited by what you are wearing. As soon as they get the opportunity whether you are fully clothed or not they would do what they know how to do best.

If there was any correlation between clothing and rape do you not think that there should be no incidences of rape in places like the middle east, India inclusive

Timbuktou:


See the response of one of them


How can somebody like this be taken seriously? Much more unfortunate is the fact that these kinds of people will raise children. What they foolishly fail to realise is that the so-called movement for equality they want to kill themselves over is a dying movement in the wst they hold as the epitome of paradise. Only about 18% of Americans identify as feminists, that's male and female by the way, the word has become so tainted more than half of the US wanted the word banned before they nearly went over a cliff. Banned! . It's a shame that our dry-skinned sisters and their mothers, Chilli I see you, would sheepishly tag along something they don't understand likes flies latching on to shiit.

I find it funny that on the fourth page of this thread, not one acclaimed feminist has been able to refute a single claim made by this supremely more intelligent sister of theirs. I await, though. There might yet be hope.

yes, I said it and will continue saying it, how is feminism the problem of your economy, how is feminism the problem in your life?

If you don't like the movement face your front. Or is anyone forcing you to join in?
Why should anyone take men like you serious when all you rant about all day is feminism that has nothing to do with you?
Men who became great didn't sit around whining about feminism and bullshait .Anyway keep whining about feminism if it makes you feel better about your self esteem.

Truckpusher:
I personally stay away from anyone claiming to be a feminist but they won't just lemme go.

na I'm you create thread upon matter wey no concern you *rolls eye, shey them use rope tie your legs ni Continu finding trouble you hear!

Ladies in my village back before the Era of the white man's civilization wore 2-piece wrappers that looked like bikinis woven from cotton thread.

Despite the apparent unclothedness of the women back in d days, they weren't raped like is common today, isn't that enough to tell you that victim shaming is very stupid and cruel?
In fact that question should never come into play in a rape case. Little girls could play around bare chested and nothing will happen.

Fight for a safer society.

If these
NO MORE SEXUAL VIOLENCE
- NO MORE VICTIM BLAMING
- NO MORE DEROGATORY LABELS
- NO MORE GENDER INEQUALITY
Are what it's about then there is nothing wrong with the ideology.

Also as much as I am an advocate of decent clothing I do not feel it is enough reason for rape.

In fact the recent cases of rape in the news are underaged victims with no curves to flaunt whatsoever.

We should be fighting for keeping rapists off the streets not clothing.
This country needs to prioritize, address the issue of psychos on the streets then we can discuss having more clothes on.
The little girls that had been raped all these while had clothes on.

First things first, enough of this thinking backwards. This is why the whites continue to see Africans as uncivilized humans. We do not prioritize. We keep chasing irrelevant things while leaving the relevant unattended.

Of all the cases of rape that have been reported on nairalands home page 90% were minors who didn't have any curves or boobs hanging out.

Shouldn't that tell you that this is not a clothing issue, it's a mental disorder and rapists should be kept off the streets.

That's what you educated people should be fighting for, make the society a safe place for your daughters, she doesn't have to look over her shoulders all the time.

Your daughters will never be safe even with the pepper sprays, hijabs and all that shit.
The psychos will just device better means to come after them. They live among you and even in your homes. You must put them where they belong; behind bars or in rehab homes or be ready to build castles as tall as the high heavens so they cant touch your daughters.
As long as they are on the streets no child is safe. Even the personal bodyguard you hired for her may be a rapist.

I just don't get it, is there a wave of stupidity going over Nigeria? even among the educated?

Biko my sister in christ endure oo. You will get your reward when he is 60-something and suffering from stroke. That's when the wandering son comes home. Then you will share a testimony in church about how he finally came home to you and you won against all his mistresses.

Endure my beloved!

I wonder if it were the woman who was busy sleeping around the word 'sex addict' and 'help him' will never be heard on this thread. We will only here 'divorce her' 'crucify her'. The hypocrisy and double standard is sickening I almost want to puke.

Op you no get any marriage just comot your mind. Na cohabitation you dey Kwa. How can your husband sleep with 60 people and you still call am husband. That na public property jare

No vex your own no follow for marriage abeg or else you are telling a bloody bold face lie

Lmao! See them getting high on top woman matter!


How does feminism affect your bank account brothers?

Marry someone who shares your ideologies and stay the hell away from feminists if you don't like them. You can't change them bro.

crackhaus:

Wow, this one here speaks from experience...Golden!

Cc: nickibarb
I beg thee, pay heed to this.

for some sex provides a form of release from pent up frustrations and stress. It's kind of therapeutic. Would you prefer her to be a bitter frustrated woman like most Nigerian women. Sex is to different people different things. Let her have some sexual healing please.

crackhaus:

Wow, this one here speaks from experience...Golden!

Cc: nickibarb
I beg thee, pay heed to this.

for some sex provides a form of release from pent up frustrations and stress. It's kind of therapeutic. Would you prefer her to be a bitter frustrated woman like most Nigerian women. Sex is to different things. Let her have some sexual healing.

Lol. My home, my marriage, my husband. You carry am for head like gala inside traffic. Na you sabi

There will always be a few stupid girls who will support the man. Wait for your turn my dearies.
Hope ya'll have started training for the torture you will endure in ya marriages.

You can never permanently clean up a pig. Many will forever be slaves, second class citizens to their male counterparts. Do not even waste your saliva trying to emancipate them from their mental slavery

Cheat because you found someone really hot you are lusting after not because he cheated. That way you won't feel empty when you are done. Rather you will long for more. You'll glow and radiate a sense of satisfaction and happiness.