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Christianity EtcRe: All Babies Are Enemies Of God by jaephoenix(m): 6:06pm On Apr 15, 2023
oteneaaron:
Just look at how this guy thinks and yet he calls someone else a slowpoke.

Even your own organization says otherwise and I quote:



You say you do not accept blood transfusions, but still go ahead to accept blood fractions that are made from the same blood you condemn.

Such bold faced HYPOCRISY.
Wait. Does he think the albumin in eggs are the same in human blood? Is that why he asked me that question?
Lol. This guy is even dumber than Maxindhouse grin grin cheesy
Christianity EtcRe: All Babies Are Enemies Of God by jaephoenix(m): 6:04pm On Apr 15, 2023
Janosky:
What of Albumin in the egg you eat?
When you eat eggs are you eating blood?

Oga, carry your bias and prejudices outta here. grin

Slowpoke Atheists. grin
I don't understand. What has eating albumin, egg got to do with blood transfusion?
Fibrinogen is a clotting factor, I think its Factor 2. It is present in blood. So if you take fibrinogen concentrate, you've still taken blood. The same bacteria, viruses etc you've been running away from is still there. And in this case it is concentrated, so possibly more viruses.
Are you really this dense in real life? undecided
Christianity EtcRe: All Babies Are Enemies Of God by jaephoenix(m): 5:58pm On Apr 15, 2023
Christianity EtcRe: All Babies Are Enemies Of God by jaephoenix(m): 5:55pm On Apr 15, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Who is in control? smiley
Humans. Same humans that are in control of JW(8 bald headed White Supremacist vultures)
Christianity EtcRe: All Babies Are Enemies Of God by jaephoenix(m): 5:53pm On Apr 15, 2023
Janosky:
Oga doctor,Practical knowledge acquired through experience supercedes the jargon you lifted from your textbook, however beneficial it might be.

My younger one had acute anemia, very low blood count & undetected health issue later diagnosed by further tests. But your colleagues said it's BT or nothing.

For about 10 weeks, we worked with medical doctors whose recommendations stabilized & boosted the blood count far above the expected level.
Today,12 months later,my younger one is very fit & healthy,no BT.

Bottom line:
Respect your patients choices and work within the framework of their choices rather than your insults "JW rascals" & tantrums.

If you work with our HLC, you would have little or nothing to worry about JWs.
Shalom.

Simple question. What was the diagnosis and his Packed Cell Volume PCV?
Besides I gave you scenarios which you dimwits have ignored. Run these scenarios by your HLC. Better still, tell them a doc on Nairaland is challenging them. Then get back to me. Send me a dm when they do
Christianity EtcRe: All Babies Are Enemies Of God by jaephoenix(m): 5:48pm On Apr 15, 2023
Courz:
This is what bursts my brain every time. This is to tell you that it takes a mentally imbalanced person that take their doctrines seriously. Are you really abstaining from Blood when you need Blood products that are from Blood itself? I have asked them this several times but they always run away. When you need the same Blood, separate its components to be used, is that abstaining? To them, it is meant to be an alternative but when you analyse it, it is the same Blood Transfusion. grin
The same adverse effects of blood transfusion is the same adverse effects(or even worse) in infusing its bye products. And these by products are costlier and non available. In Lagos, to get plasma and fibrinogen is a problem. You have to book Alpha Pharmacy to get it. And it costs an arm and a leg. Yet same side effects of blood transfusion.
They are really demented
Christianity EtcRe: All Babies Are Enemies Of God by jaephoenix(m): 5:43pm On Apr 15, 2023
Janosky:
Oga,go & update your medical professional skills and STOP abusing your prospective patients on this forum.

Is BT the only form of medical treatment?
No !

You claim to be a medical doctor but are very biased & insult JWs for choosing a form of
Medical treatment APPROVED by medical services & recognised by Law.
Oga,You are telling this forum that you NEVER Sabi blood less medical practice by your insults & bias expressed on this forum.
grin grin grin grin
I never told you blood subs, bloodless surgeries etc arent wonderdul. Matter of fact, I'd love to have them. But I have listed 3 scenarios(out of many) where they are useless. Yet for the past 48hours all you provide is rants and screenshots that don't address my question.
How much of this brainwashing was done on you guys? It seems to get worse as ya'll get older.
Christianity EtcRe: All Babies Are Enemies Of God by jaephoenix(m): 5:38pm On Apr 15, 2023
bobestman:
guy abeg help me with the phone no of the leader of your scamming organisation. I wan ask am where he get the spell he take bound una brains to make una this stupid and foolish
The jazz strong gan
Christianity EtcRe: All Babies Are Enemies Of God by jaephoenix(m): 5:37pm On Apr 15, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Keep weeping!
At least i will die peacefully without raising weapons against anyone while you will infused blood in them but later kill them! cheesy
You really need to get a grip on reality
Christianity EtcRe: All Babies Are Enemies Of God by jaephoenix(m): 5:37pm On Apr 15, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Guy it's your business not mine, go and work out what you will do when you meet those who will never accept it. If you like leave them to die they will not accept it because they don't believe in it. So if you feel all you can do is to transfuse blood on them then it's your loss! wink
Bro, blood subs are a good idea. I would gladly have them if I or my loved ones is in need of blood. But the issue is we haven't gotten subs good enough or readily available to take the place of blood. I have listed scenarios where even blood subs even if available would still be useless.
As for your folks that refuse blood, we usually we give them a form to fill to exonerate us. If they wanna commit suicide, its their business. But these days governments are coming hard on you guys. The UK government is now forcing babies of JWs to receive blood transfusions even when their idiotic parents refuse. They can't impose their stupidity on another human.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/jehovahs-witness-blood-transfusion-doctor-judge-ruling-girl-leeds-nhs-trust-religion-a8977066.html

And recently Lagos state government backed some doctors that transfused a severely jaundiced baby.
https://punchng.com/lasg-jehovahs-witnesses-clash-over-blood-transfusion-for-baby/?amp
Janosky that was screaming there are subs for blood for neonatal jaundice, why didn't your colleague give those blood subs to his baby, right?
So bro Max, pray for science to provide better blood subs and make them readily available. So hospitals won't be going on regular blood drives. Til then good ol' blood is your best bet!

Christianity EtcRe: All Babies Are Enemies Of God by jaephoenix(m): 5:25pm On Apr 15, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
He wants to save lives with blood transfusion, when they committ blunders and refuse to accept blame he will say they're hypocrites so the next thing is war with them to make peace though he will aim at them with his raffle but he won't kill them! smiley
What blunders are you ranting about?
Christianity EtcRe: All Babies Are Enemies Of God by jaephoenix(m): 4:42pm On Apr 15, 2023
Janosky:
The PROVEN,low mortality success rate of surgery and medical treatment ( in screenshots) is what a so called medical doctor is denigrating in public.

While US Army Doctors are actively seeking for professional competence in blood less surgery you denigrate the practice and bully your patients for making an informed decision recognised by Law & medical sciences.

Where did you obtain your training & license?

SHAME ON YOU !!!
3. Do you know the source of the fibrinogen concentrate talked about in your screenshotyou ignorantly posted? I guess not. It comes from BLOOD. You can Google it up. So your fellow JW took a blood by product and it saved his live, and you disgustingly splashed it here

Christianity EtcRe: All Babies Are Enemies Of God by jaephoenix(m): 4:07pm On Apr 15, 2023
Janosky:
The PROVEN,low mortality success rate of surgery and medical treatment ( in screenshots) is what a so called medical doctor is denigrating in public.

While US Army Doctors are actively seeking for professional competence in blood less surgery you denigrate the practice and bully your patients for making an informed decision recognised by Law & medical sciences.

Where did you obtain your training & license?

SHAME ON YOU !!!
1. Ok. So we're now into bloodless surgery realm. Cool. Bro, I love bloodless surgery. If I have an option of giving a patient with fibroid endoscopic myomectomy, Ultrasound treatment or open myomectomy, I'll choose the former 2 over open myomectomy, because I won't have to transfuse her. But there's a problem.
Endoscopic myomectomy(EM) and US treatment cost a ton. Here is the problems of bloodless surgery.
A. They cost a lot of money.
Lets get to perspective now. Average cost of open myomectomy is about 200k. Bloodless solutions like endoscopic myomectomy is 1.5m. And ultrasound treatment is 2.5m. Need I explain further?
B. They arent for all cases.
A fibroid of 30 weeks is out of the scope for both our bloodless options because either they are too big to pass through the scope or too big to dissolve via ultrasound. This is where open myomectomy comes in.
C. Unavailability
Bloodless options like EM and US arent readily available. Not all gynecologists can do them and definitely not all cities have them. A city like Lagos has only 3 centers offering EM while US solution has just one(Nordica, and my gynecologist cousin who runs it says the machine is the only one in West Africa). Now you can't blame the gynecologists for lack of motivation to learn how to do endoscopic surgeries. In a city as big as Lagos, there may be only 100 scopic surgeries in a year. Unline open myomectomy you can have 2000. So why learn the skills, acquire the machine and idle away? Demand determines supply.
2. I can go on about the issues of bloodless surgery in a resource poor environment like Nigeria is, but the dolts in debating with are responding like robots. I kept on asking them to give me management guidelines for specific emergency scenarios I listed, but they have been giving me stupid and idiotic replies ranging from taking leaves to using blood subs and bloodless surgeries. This only shows how deep their brainwashing has gone. When a robots gives you the same rehearsed replies for different questions, you have to fear for mental capabilities
Christianity EtcRe: All Babies Are Enemies Of God by jaephoenix(m): 12:43pm On Apr 15, 2023
Janosky:
I asked you a question:
"Is the Law not dynamic?"
Oga don't be TWISTING my post with your FALSE claim.

@ 1 Corinthians 5:1-2,9-13 did Jesus followers cover up the sin of sexual abuse between step mother and son?

Pls wear your goggles and read 1Corinthians 5:1-2, 9-13 again.
No they didn't.
But does JW folks cover the sins of their kind? Hell yeah!
Do you now see you how you repeatedly shot yourself in the foot
Christianity EtcRe: All Babies Are Enemies Of God by jaephoenix(m): 12:42pm On Apr 15, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ you're judgmental!

JW organization is strict but we handle matters with caution because we are all imperfect so if anyone is found wanting in our midst as long as the matter is within we punish the person according to what the Bible states but you won't know. So instead of expecting JWs to come and call you to stone our brother or sister who committed a blunder why not go and settle matters among your own people so the world can be peaceful?
We can manage our own and maintain peace if all others can do the same think of how the world will be?
So Mr. Non-Judgemental Max, lets assume this scenario. You have a witness bro that has molested and killed 7 women, and despite several cautions he still continues.
How do you settle this amongst yourself? I need a direct answer not this heehaws you and your ilk have been gracing us with
Christianity EtcRe: All Babies Are Enemies Of God by jaephoenix(m): 11:55am On Apr 15, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Good!
JW organization is perfect not individuals in the group so learn to decipher what an imperfect individual will do when he finds out that nobody will support him to fight against his neighbour due to disparities! wink
What if I tell you United Nations is perfect but the leaders and workers aint. Would you buy it?
Christianity EtcRe: All Babies Are Enemies Of God by jaephoenix(m): 11:54am On Apr 15, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
But you prefer war to settling matters peacefully:



So you're a prospective killer! cheesy
Lol. Unlike you, I love peace. But its a pipe dream.
Listen. If your neighbor realizes you are a peaceful man that doesn't like quarterback, chances he'll take advantage of it is there.
Many Kings in the olden days have been deposed when their neighboring kingdoms sense their peaceful nature for weakness. Again I reiterate, you don't enforce peace by being peaceful
Christianity EtcRe: All Babies Are Enemies Of God by jaephoenix(m): 11:51am On Apr 15, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
This is where you goofed big time!
If the world was actually filled with JWs, we'd be a fuckhole of sexual molesters, running amok
Christianity EtcRe: All Babies Are Enemies Of God by jaephoenix(m): 11:50am On Apr 15, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Go and make research if truly it's your field! wink
And you actually think someone that is a physician and practicing for many years would have redundant ideas about blood subs?
You really are losing it, Max. Your brainwashing was finely done. I wish I have that power to make others do and think stupidly
Christianity EtcRe: All Babies Are Enemies Of God by jaephoenix(m): 11:48am On Apr 15, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ wars starts from unresolved disparities but JWs have destroyed that in our midst.
If you're judgmental you can't remain in our midst because we don't judge rather we help sinners it's when a sinner refused to accept help that we shun them. That's why you see many judgmental people like you accusing us that we shield sinners whereas we pity them when they repent and turn around.

That's the difference between JWs and you who will continue agitating until you gather judgmental people like yourself, get weapons and start killing yourselves! wink
You know, you guys have an uncanny knack for twisting and turning the buybull. Did you read the deposition of your fellow self-servicer where he posted a passage about Paul telling some folks to kick out sinners?
Christianity EtcRe: All Babies Are Enemies Of God by jaephoenix(m): 11:43am On Apr 15, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Go for update on what you think you're practicing, that's why many love our AWAKE magazines because they learn a lot not just arguing blindly due to hatred.
If truly you're into physiology then this is the time to upgrade not sticking to the old info! cheesy
What has physiology got to do with this debate, dear Max?
Christianity EtcRe: All Babies Are Enemies Of God by jaephoenix(m): 7:16pm On Apr 14, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ there are many alternative remedies for blood loss but since you've been programmed to think it's only by transfusing blood i pity those that paid your school fees because they have lost all their deposits.
Intelligent people makes good use of information not arguing blindly simply because you want to make a point against those you hate.
JWs don't use blood transfusion and millions stick to it throughout the world if you're truly a wise physician now is the time to add to your knowledge by finding out how JWs do manage such situations without using blood.
Not just arguing stupidly for no gain.

Whether you accept or not JWs won't accept blood transfusion so instead of sitting down in your room arguing blindly now is the time to update your knowledge regarding what to do during blood loss! cheesy
I listed 3 scenarios up there and have asked you to show me how blood transfusion subs can be used foe them, but you have been bleating like a pregnant goat, like your colleague Janosky, that there are alternatives. And you still have the mind of accusing me of arguing blindly grin
Nobody is saying blood substitutes dont work. I never said they don't work. I gave you scenarios where they are utterly useless. But your brainwashing was so severe you don't understand those scenarios.
Can you use erythropoietin for a baby with severe jaundice? No! What a about bleeding emeegencies? Without blood, you'll rely on plasma expanders like crystalloids but they are temporary. You still need blood. So ask your JW docs to give me a readily available substitute and stop ranting like a demented banshee
Christianity EtcRe: All Babies Are Enemies Of God by jaephoenix(m): 7:02pm On Apr 14, 2023
Janosky:
1 & 3
The same treatment that couldn't save the mother of Arthur Ashe & thousands of pregnant women in the UK.

2.

Your colleagues who manage similar emergencies successfully without BT, do they have two heads?

Oga, respect the rights of your patient.
You have already formed a prejudice against them & this prejudice must colour your assessment and management of their case.


Because of his bias,so called doctor dey yarn as if.....

grin grin
You know, when you add ignorance to stupidity, you end up with a very volatile mixture.
1. This is just an example of the side effects of half knowledge.
Listen. There is no drug, vaccine, procedure, operation etc in this world without a side effect. None. Even your paracetamol that you abuse can give you liver disease and kill you. The vitamin C you also abuse can cause kidney stones and kidney failure. Does it mean everyone that take Vit C and paracetamol can have all those? Hell no! But the risk is there depending on the dose and what we call idiosyncratic reactions. I had a patient who had permanent darkening of her whole body from just taking paracetamol. And no, it wasn't a fake one. Its just how her body metabolized the drug. I can as well post side effects of paracetamol and warn everyone not to take it.
What's my point? Would you rather avoid drugs, vaccines, surgeries, blood transfusions etc because there may be side effects? No! We try to make these drugs as safe as possible and prescribe the right doses. For blood transfusions, the risks are there from infections, electrolyte ish etc but as years go by, we make them safer via better screening processes. The screenshots about BT causing cancers and heart attacks are so far-fetched they are negligible. I have practiced for 16 years, with countless blood transfusions. Yet the only issue I have had is febrile reactions which resolved after a while.
Now lets talk about blood substitutes. Adverse effects associated with hemoglobin-based oxygen carrier blood susbtitutes include hypertension, abdominal pain, skin rash, diarrhea, jaundice, hemoglobinuria, oliguria, fever, stroke, and laboratory anomalies such as an elevation in lipase levels etc. Adverse effects of erythropoietin, another blood substitute is hypertension and stroke. Also due to the delayed onset of erythropoiesis, it is contraindicated for acute correction of severe anemia or emergency transfusion. [/b]It should be used cautiously with patients who have a history of seizures. In patients with cancer receiving hormonal agents, biologic products, or radiotherapy.
Now whats the use of blood substitute if its side effect profile are similar to actual blood, and its also very costly and unavailable, add to that, it can't be used in all emergencies?
[b]Ignorant peeps like you think we docs hate blood substitutes. Lol. I don't have anything against it. But if there is a more readily available, better and cheaper option, why not get it?
Christianity EtcRe: All Babies Are Enemies Of God by jaephoenix(m): 3:41pm On Apr 14, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Chai! See person brain o! grin



Ọmọ go and reread the highlighted!

It says we're not to shun people who doesn't believe but those who claims they are believers in our faith yet turn to such practices.

Guy your anger is rendering you blind jọọ! cheesy
That's not the point of that passage your colleague posted, was it? He was defending you guys action of harboring rapists and molesters
Christianity EtcRe: All Babies Are Enemies Of God by jaephoenix(m): 3:39pm On Apr 14, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
He's judgemental so even though he knows he is not perfect he demands perfection from others in order to convince himself that God exists but by the end of the day he's back to square one: ready to kill or get killed due to matters that JWs are settling peacefully! cheesy
I never demanded perfection from anyone. You're the one painting JWs as a perfect organization without strife. I was merely debunking that narrative
Christianity EtcRe: All Babies Are Enemies Of God by jaephoenix(m): 3:38pm On Apr 14, 2023
Janosky:
Oh I see, you are a Atheist.

You got your answer from your imperfect fellow man who claims he knows better grin grin grin grin
If you say so
Christianity EtcRe: All Babies Are Enemies Of God by jaephoenix(m): 3:38pm On Apr 14, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
So now you've become wise by trashing all yet you still have the mind to go on killing and getting killed due to disparities.
I just want to believe you're now wiser! cheesy
Put on your glasses and reread my deposition. Did you see anywhere I killed anybody?
Christianity EtcRe: All Babies Are Enemies Of God by jaephoenix(m): 3:37pm On Apr 14, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Guy see those having your mindset to kill and get killed due to disparities then compare to those who have vowed never to participate in killing due to disparities!

I believe those amputees have gained a lot fighting against those with whom they supposed to settle matters amicably! grin
Bro, strife and war is a normal human product. You JW has strifes. Stop all this propaganda. It doesn't work with smart people
Christianity EtcRe: All Babies Are Enemies Of God by jaephoenix(m): 3:35pm On Apr 14, 2023
Janosky:
Oga, STOP LYING. grin grin
Speaking from experience, this happened early last year.
In a reputable Hospital, my younger one was diagnosed with [b]acute anemia (caused by a serious health issue undetected before then)
& she was treated successfully without BT.
JWs already know what to do before emergencies arise,we have mechanisms to address this matter.
But, sometimes, some of us may delay in taking swift action at the appropriate time....


Oga, JWs would love to cooperate with you & ensure our JW brothers receive the best of health care you can provide,of course without BT.

Would you welcome this initiative?
Pls, let me know.[/b]
Bro, what your brother had was chronic anemia, not acute. Once someone has anemia due to a chronic disease, it is chronic. Example of such disease in our environment is tuberculosis and chrnic kidney disease . In such cases, you use erythropoietin and iron sucrose, hemacel etc. You can even give the patient hematinics like iron tablets, folic acid if the PCV(Packed Cell Volume) is more than 25%(if he is not a sickle cell anemia patient).
If you ask your brother to tell you what exactly was his diagnosis, you'll understand.
Christianity EtcRe: All Babies Are Enemies Of God by jaephoenix(m): 3:28pm On Apr 14, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Go and kill or get killed we will settle our disparities peacefully! cheesy
You're funny. Are you aware without a sovereign army, your sorrounding enemies can invade you? By the way what has this rubbish you typed got to do with the hypocrisy I talked about?
Christianity EtcRe: All Babies Are Enemies Of God by jaephoenix(m): 3:27pm On Apr 14, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Guy you're a real novice! cheesy

JWs have all what it takes to rescue any patient without blood transfusion but since your brains has been programmed to think blood transfusion can save you i'll allow you continue in your folly.
Whatever kills a patient with our alternative remedies will surely kill anyone whether you infuse blood into their nose or brains! wink
So what blood substitute or non-blood maneuver can you use for exchange blood transfusion in a baby with severe neonatal jaundice with kernicterus, or a woman bleeding to death with post partum hemorrhage, or a man who has his carotids slashed in a fight
Christianity EtcRe: All Babies Are Enemies Of God by jaephoenix(m): 3:20pm On Apr 14, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Sorry with your scenario i'm not interested! cheesy
Exactly what I thought. Dude is severely outta his depth. Where is Janosky and Aemyjah? Man down, man down grin

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