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OLAADEGBU:
With my limited knowledge and my physical senses I have the evidence of God's existence as I have said earlier. When I look at a building, how do I know that there was a builder? I couldn't want a better evidence that there was a builder than to have the building in front of me. I don't even need faith to know that there was a builder. All I need are eyes that can see and a brain that can think.

The same principle applies to the existence of God. When I look at creation, how can I know that there was a Creator? Creation reveals to me that there is a Creator. I couldn't want a better evidence that there is a Creator than to have the creation in front of me. I don't need faith to believe in a Creator, all I need are eyes that can see and a brain that can think.

"For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse" (Romans 1:20).

But if I want the builder to do something for me, then I need to have faith in the builder. Likewise God, for

"Without faith it is impossible to please Him: for he that comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him" (Hebrews 11:6).

If you need to know more about God you need faith based on His Word and World.

TenQ:
If I remember clearly, I had to correct you on two elementary scientific goofs you made ; yet I cannot argue science. Thank you.

How does the rest of what you wrote relate to me? What in the Bible did I define for you?

SIRTee15:
Sure, better than arguing with you 2. We won't get anywhere with both of u.
Don't post too many at a time, o we can answer properly.

SIRTee15:
U not a honest person and says a lot about u as a doctor u claim. For your info, adding or deliberately withholding information is a serious offence in medical practice.
This is the complete statement....

One month following her diagnosis, and before she had any treatment, both the tumor in her lung and the metastasis to her adrenal gland had shrunk considerably on both a CT scan and a PET scan. (A PET scan is an imaging test which uses radioactive glucose, and allows physicians to get a more accurate assessment of tumor activity than on a CT or MRI alone.) She then underwent surgery for lung cancer and was doing well 14 months later..

SIRTee15:
Before I repeat my definition of above because I'd already done so, Define death.

SIRTee15:
Then no need to continue this discussion because we at dead end now.
Nobody forces anything on anybody. We have our own definition of word.
Our definition of repentance is different from what's in the dictionary. No Christian ever forced our own meaning on secular world.
U are the one guilty of that. That's why I said go and learn from bible critics.
Everyone knows that no Christian ever said the bible is the direct word of God, but u and maynman have been disturbing Christians on this thread demanding we defend every sentence or phrase in the bible word for word. When we offer our explanation, u reject it claiming that's not the word used in the verse as if God spoke English.

I already gave my definition of omniscient and fore knowledge. Check my previous posts...too tired to be searching.
I think we should end this, just answer my questions esp the one re destiny of a new born child, I want to check something.
U are free to use any reference u like to answer my question on destiny....Koran, bible, Oxford dictionary, Wikipedia, book of fatalist atheism or even obatala. All join. just answer the question.

Ken4Christ:
They are not the same. Jesus conquered death. He is alive. And that makes the difference.

SIRTee15:
This is one of the questions I answered early on this thread.

Now the one repeated here is like when the bible say do not grief the holy spirit.
The God knows the end right from the beginning, so he's not surprised when man falls into sin.
However, he's still grieved because God loves us so much that it hurts him when we turn away from him and embrace sin.
God remain faithful to us even when we are faithless to him because he cannot deny himself. 2 Tim 2.13.
He's a forever loving God, thus it hurts when his children disobeys him because that wasn't the original intention.

The one about number going to heaven or hell already answered.
Now answer my own question on the destiny of babies and the link to that case I posted here.
Even though the word there is shrunk I will accept.it because any remission in cancer is a victory- be it partial or complete.
Do above and let's call it a day, no need going in cirles
U guys shouldn't be debating Christians in the first place, u not worth the time.

Now I think I've replied all your

SIRTee15:
This is one of the questions I answered early on this thread.

Now the one repeated here is like when the bible say do not grief the holy spirit.
The God knows the end right from the beginning, so he's not surprised when man falls into sin.
However, he's still grieved because God loves us so much that it hurts him when we turn away from him and embrace sin.
God remain faithful to us even when we are faithless to him because he cannot deny himself. 2 Tim 2.13.
He's a forever loving God, thus it hurts when his children disobeys him because that wasn't the original intention.

The one about number going to heaven or hell already answered.
Now answer my own question on the destiny of babies and the link to that case I posted here.
Even though the word there is shrunk I will accept.it because any remission in cancer is a victory- be it partial or complete.
Do above and let's call it a day, no need going in cirles
U guys shouldn't be debating Christians in the first place, u not worth the time.

Now I think I've replied all your

SIRTee15:
Me I can't find this case in all the links you sent. Where did u lift it..pls send the link so we can all learn.
Though shrunk is different from cure/cleared but I will still give it to u if above is true. Stage 4 cancer is not a joke and any remission is worth celebrating.

SIRTee15:
Go and study him yourself. Stop being lazy.
U asked me for a name of biblical scholar, I gave u. Now u asking me for his work. Which one do u want to do besides quoting Wikipedia and Oxford dictionary?

However here is what he wrote at the end of the nonsense book he wrote.
'To be sure, of all the hundreds of thousands of textual changes found among our manuscripts, most of them are completely insignificant, immaterial, of no real importance for anything other than showing that scribes could not spell or keep focused any better than the rest of us'
Bert Erhman.

SIRTee15:
Maynman wants to use Wikipedia and Oxford dictionary to argue with a doctoral fellow and one of world's leading textual critic.
He will eat u raw.

SIRTee15:
U came to us, we didn't come to u.
If we had come to u to condemn your atheism, we will use your beliefs and understanding of words to argue against u.
Now u came to us to criticise our beliefs but wants to debate at your own terms using your own belief. Does that make sense at all.
This is the reason TenQ said arguing with you guys is a waste of time.
This is also the reason American definition of freedom failed woefully when they tried to export it other countries. Freedom mean different things to different people depending on their cultures and belief.
If u insist definition of a word is static and means the same thing at all time, then u don't even understand the meaning of language.
Your analogy of a car and bird is very stupid.

SIRTee15:
I already told u start with Bart Erhman, he's a new testament bible critic.
Despite all his claim about thousands of new manuscript contraindications, he finally admitted that the core gospel message in all new testament manuscripts he has studied remain the same- they remain unchanged.

SIRTee15:
Mr Man just answer my previous question and let's call it a day. All these merry go round is waste of time.

Q1. Show me a case of stage 4 metastatic cancer WITHOUT ANY THERAPY that went into SR. Just one evidence.

Q2 An armed robber who was killed while robbing a bank. Was that his destiny right from birth?
A prostitute who was killed by her client. Was that her fate/destiny right from day one she was born. That the innocent one day old baby will grow up and become a prostitute and will be killed in active service.

SIRTee15:
Go to our topics where we debate Muslims, we use what's written in their Koran against them, not what's written in secular dictionary or the bible, because they don't believe in it.
U can start with Bart Erhman, he's an atheist like u.

TenQ:
Did I misrepresent you in anyway?
That was why I said you exhibit School boy wannabe Atheist logic.
Stop claiming a win when there was no contest and no referees. It is a childish behaviour.

I don't discuss spiritual things with Atheists because there is NO Common Ground.

How will you understand when I say God is a spirit?
How would you understand "the talking snake or donkey"?
Does it make sense that Jesus was born from a virgin?
Does it make sense that a dead person came back to life after three days of death?
Does it make sense to you that we exist perpetually even after death?

I can debate you on YOUR philosophy and EVERY other thing like Mathematics, Logic and History because it is common to us.

The ball is in your court if you wish to challenge me on any of these if you dare or can!

SIRTee15:
See another one who wants to force Oxford dictionary into the bible.
It's a waste of time discussing with u guys. TenQ was right.
Both of u are just wannabe bible critics with nothing upstairs to back your claim.
As I said to maynman, go and study the works of bible critical scholars, then come back and discuss.

SIRTee15:
Wow have discovered something new today...before it was meaning of theo and now meaning of bible.
What a great discovery!!!!! hallelujah somebody.
What's the next discovery...meaning of Jesus or christ

Seriously u wasting your time here, this will get u no where. Go and study the works of bible critics and learn how they argue Christian theology.
Imagine bringing secular dictionary meaning of biblical words to argue Christian doctrine. U are meant to study our own meaning of words and check if it affirms with what's written in the bible....that's critic.
Not all these nonsense u doing here.

SIRTee15:
Seriously u not worth the effort. U have 2 to 3 phrases u keep parotting up and down. U can't rise above such mundane and boring arguments.
Guy u need to do more reading of u want to become a bible critic. U can start by reading the works of biblical critical scholars, u not helping anybody here.

SIRTee15:
This is the problem, how can u apply literal definition to spiritual meaning.
This is the biblical definition of destiny

[b]Our destiny is God’s purpose for our lives. It is our God ordained future. Destiny is what God has destined us to become in His divine will and wisdom. [/b]Each of us is also destined to play specific roles in the ordering of His world – cf 1 Corinthians 12 1-7 on the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

God's plan and purpose for his children conceived long before we were born.

Read more about definition of biblical destiny here
https://www.osc-tbs.org/biblical-concept-of-destiny/#:~:text=Destiny%20is%20what%20God%20has,gifts%20of%20the%20Holy%20Spirit.
Here are.some.excerpts....
It must also be noted that nobody is predestined to go to hell and that is why we have continued to preach so that people will not have any excuse on the day of reckoning. Nobody is also predefined to fail because everybody is given the opportunity to pull their weight. God will never impose His will on us but we enjoined to remain steadfast in Christ and He will give the victory.

We read in Genesis the accounts of the creation of both the world and Mankind and also about the fall of Man. God destined Man to be great and to have dominion over His entire creation, but through disobedience Man lost this heritage. It is not impossible for one to forfeit his destiny as a result of carelessness and disobedience.

Really TenQ was right, it's a waste of time talking theology with u guys. It's better we discuss philosophy.

Maynman:
Then your god is not omniscience and does not know the future, in other mythologies gods decide the fate of man.

“ Now I asked your other fake atheist the question but refused to answer, maybe u can help.
An armed robber that got killed during robbery, was that his destiny given to him the day he was born?
A prostitute that got murdered by her client. Was she destined to be a prostitute and be killed during active service right form day one of her life as a baby.”

Fake theist it’s you that believe yahweh is omniscience and knows everything.
You said he knows the FUTURE, so surely he knows who is a armed robber and prostitute in that FUTURE BEFORE he created them.

I ask you, does yahweh know the exact number of people that will go to hell or he is hoping nobody does?

Even the definition of destiny means “make firm, established”. It has already been DECIDED!

SIRTee15:
This is your answer. Man don't have a fixed destiny as affirmed by God.

Then the word of the Lord came to me. 6 He said, “Can I not do with you, Israel, as this potter does?” declares the Lord. “Like clay in the hand of the potter, so are you in my hand, Israel. 7 If at any time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be uprooted, torn down and destroyed, 8 and if that nation I warned repents of its evil, then I will relent and not inflict on it the disaster I had planned. 9 And if at another time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be built up and planted, 10 and if it does evil in my sight and does not obey me, then I will reconsider the good I had intended to do for it.

Now I asked your other fake atheist the question but refused to answer, maybe u can help.
An armed robber that got killed during robbery, was that his destiny given to him the day he was born?
A prostitute that got murdered by her client. Was she destined to be a prostitute and be killed during active service right form day one of her life as a baby.

SIRTee15:
What did God tell Jeremiah in chapter 18.5-10

Maynman:
How can you go and prepare a place for people without knowing the EXACT number of people coming?
That’s bad manager and it is a recipe for disaster, that’s why yahweh keeps regretting.

SIRTee15:
Once again playing with words.
As I said earlier we Christians don't believe in a fixed destiny. Your choice is influence your destiny.
God also is forever shaping your destiny with the purpose of bringing u back into the fold. So foreknowledge to God is an active word, not static.
'Foreknowledge is destiny shaping! Speaking about God's foreknowledge is a way of expressing his eternal commitment to individuals as part of his determination to bring them to faith and to all the glories and benefits of Christ's work'
God is constantly reshaping our destiny no matter how complex or disappointing it is just like Jeremiah observed at the potter's house. Jeremiah 18.1-10


Jesus descended into Hades after his soul separated from his body carrying the sins of the world and to declare victory over death.

Maynman:
My present choice will determine my future, does yahweh know the future?



Why then did yahweh send his child to earth if he doesn’t think sin?
Sin means disobedience to yahweh, so what you mean he doesn’t think sin?
Who created hell?
Who made satan the ruler of hell according to you?
When jesus died he took control of hell according to you right yet he doesn’t have business with hell? you keep contradicting yourself.

An omniscience god knows the exact number of people that will go to heaven or hell before he even created them.
A parents also sees all his children been successfully, that’s his plans for children But it may not work out because they are not omniscience, THAT IS WHY YAHWEH REGRETTED, HIS PLAN FAILED.
Your god is not all knowing and certainly can’t see the future.

Save yourself from ignorance, and look up on the origin of the word “hell”.

SIRTee15:
Why should we bother, when Africa is destined to be poor according to you

SIRTee15:
Yahweh doesn't think sin, he's holy. He has no business with hell.
I already told u he sees every being he created in heaven, that's his plan for all men.
Its your choice to reject him and follow the path to hell.

SIRTee15:
Mr Man, post the stuff here yourself.
I have gone through your links and can't find what I'm looking for- A case of SR of metastatic stage 4 cancer without therapy.

TenQ:
It started with a prep




Then you went full ballistic !



Furthermore, you said:


I then TOLD You!





So, again I say to you

I challenge you here again
1. Your evidence of how and when I ran away from debating you
2. An evidence that you won the debate by eating me alive.

Lukuluku69:
Of cos I know the discussion Sir and I also know that you are not Muslim, I chipped that in to answer the question you asked.

Sorry if that seems barging in on your Convo!

Ken4Christ:
It's the plan truth. The words of our Lord Jesus can't fall to the ground. He is Lord.