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coputa:
Is mostly when you are doing the right thing that God's grace normally got activated.As a student you must study hard to pass your exams first before praying for grace, ditto a sick person who is sick should see a doctor for proper diagnosis and treatment first before backing it with prayers and maybe healing from a pastor.
The pastor is not a doctor to consult when you are sick,the pastor is not your books to consult when you want to pass your exam.Grace always visits at the place of your works,Works in all ramifications.Grace doesn't come when you are doing the wrong thing.

Why exactly then do you pray?

Ylink4sure:
Your uncle went to a man in this case with a title (Pastor) and not God. He should have gone to God and going to God doesn't necessarily mean stepping out to anywhere. Afterall,Jesus indicated that the best prayer are said on our knees,alone, behind closed doors. The pertinent issue is did he have a personal relationship with God. It is better to have that relationship with God and go to him in terms of crisis than to allow crisis compel us to rush to God for a miracle. Even at that even with a relationship with him anything can happen! Remember,he said he'll have mercy on whom he chooses! A relationship with him increases your chances of victory over troubles.

See,God is complete! He doesn't need you,it is you that needs him! So,you can decide to give up on God, he won't stop you for the same reason he hasn't compelled you to serve him!

OP said he has gone to Yahweh severally, nothing happened. Thus he went to the pastor

lereinter:
I agree that there are many scam pastors now, infact listening to radio is enough to know

The ones that are not selling oil and water are doing marketing for travel agents to carry people to Israel and Jordan

But you must understand that God only heals not any pastor

Jesus Christ told the blind man He heal, not to go back to sin else worst thing would happen

Do you know some things are punishment from a misdeed and sin


Everyone is going to die, and the utmost is that you reach heaven

Many of the apostles were killed in gruesome ways, but they already saw where they were going


Either in pain or not, the utmost is to serve God and be holy

Like what things? And whats the punishment

coputa:
Churches are not useless,it's the followers and the pastors that are practicing it wrongly especially in the African continent.
There is this wrong notion that it Is the pastor that will heal you and solve your spiritual problems,no,the church is to build your faith and beliefs,and when is done every other thing Will fall in place.
Many pastors has noticed this and they have taken great advantage of it to swindle guilible adherents.
Church is not useless.

What is the usefulness of churches?

northbird:
Sorry about the loss.. it's painful. But miracles are real....But .. the most important factor in invoking the miracle is always the subject/sick person.
"The just shall live by his faith"

Not the preacher's faith,or pastor's faith or congregation faith, but your own faith. Most people don't know this open truth.

Faith comes by raising your consciousness through self affirmations of healing verses ( repetitive confession ,like 7 times daily of different verses .In the orients, it's known as chanting mantras.. Till the verses enters the subconscious, where instructions will be given to the cancerous cells to stop replication and begin the restorative process at the cellular level.

The body has the power to heal itself, it's a latent power ,most people don't engage it.
Drugs and medical intervention just aid. The real healing is from the host/body itself

1. How do you know the deceased and others like him didn't do such or more, and still didn't get healed?
2. Did the daughter of the centurion healed by Jesus undergo such rigors or hoopla. Matter of fact, how many of those jesus healed went through all that? Only thing Jesus said was their faith healed them, but I never read anywhere any of the sick was not healed because of 'insufficient faith'
3. How come miracles don't happen these days despite Jesus saying wonders would be more in the later days?
4. Finally, how many amputee limbs have you seen regrow

Westerhoffe:
I am not trying to infuriate anyone here. Read my comment properly and understand.

The closeness those prophets of GOD the children of Israel go to, do you know how well they maintain it before and with GOD?

Or have you not read what GOD said about a prophet He did not choose Himself?

Was Moses the one doing all what he was doing then by his own powers?
Which of the self acclaimed prophets/pastors today are willing to become Spirits in human bodies like those prophets of GOD in those days?

Do you think it's just by screaming, "I command healing to your body!" at the name of Jesus and everything will just be happening?

Most pastors today don't even know GOD!
Understand what I am trying to make you realize!!

When JESUS CHRIST spoke in:

Matthew 17 (KJV)
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²⁰ And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
²¹ Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.

Do you realize that GOD does not even recognize some of these Pastors/ministers that are leading you, but which many are following sheepishly?

To be a true Man of GOD to the level of laying hands on the sick and they getting healed is not achieved by the loudness of your prayers on the microphone and the air you blow into the microphone to polish your glory before men. It is achieved by your closeness to GOD, your relationship with the Almighty and your hotness in the HOLY SPIRIT.

All sicknesses are natural or spiritual.
So the power to reverse it when it defies medicines is in the hands of GOD alone, not in the hands of pastors… they're not GOD.

And the issue is, most of them today are only seeking their own fame and glory.

That a pastor is shouting and sighing does not make him or give him the power to be able to heal the sick, please.

Pray sir, what sicknesses are spiritual?
Patiently waiting for your enlightening answer

eventainment:
Well, the question I will ask is do you love God?
If yes!
Then it is written: if you love Me keep my commandments!
And one of the commandments states thus: do not forsake the congregation of the RIGHTEOUS.
Instead of not going at all be attending Gbile Akanni fellowships: Living Seed (Peace House) is not a church but a fellowship where Christians from different denominations meet to expose Gods word.

This one don dey don advert sharp sharp

IamANigerianMan:
May his soul rest in peace, bro, the truth is that God works wonders and perform miracles not a pastor, please , note, God is not a magician he is a miracle worker, God is not babalawo, God is God, your uncle cannot start run from church to church because he needed miracle, how was his relationship with God? Does he know what God says concerning his heath in the bible? 3Jn2, Ps103:1-3, Ps91:14,16, Jer 30:17, 17,14, Ex 15:26, Ex 23:25-26 etc brother let be genuine with God and enjoy our inheritance (Divine health) instead running to God in sin.. I pray your own life is useful to God now.

Have you seen an amputee healed

FRANCISTOWN:
Abobi biko, no just vex people here. Them no get faith for inside Jesus yet them carry am go church.
No be in Jesus name the pastor take pray? Why them no carry am go mosque or shrine?

Una go dey do like say na una Sabi pass.
So them do wrongly unto say them carry the man go Church huh? Akwana? Those ones wey them dey carry go TB Joshua wey them go dey alright nko?(though we know say all those ones na staged)

And how e take wrong say people believe in their pastors? Even the buybull encourages the faithfool to believe in their pastors
2Chro 20:20 "....Believe in the LORD your God, so shall ye be established; believe his prophets, so shall ye prosper. " .

When the children of Isrealites needed anything, they went straight to their prophets, because prophets are said to be the mouth piece of God.

It's obvious you guys don't know anything about that book you carry about.

I can give you many instances in the Bible where believing in prophets yielded good results. So stop acting like you know all

Ask him if the daughter of the centurion that was allegedly healed by Jesus had faith

woginid967:
You think i am just gistin?

Bro I have been healed before.... It works.... Na una no know how to waka .

Men dey.... Legit Spiritual work dey wey dey work fast.

Healed of what, sir?

Westerhoffe:
Churches are not useless.

I'm sorry about the loss of your uncle, but too many things are just not right in the pictures.

The isue with most of you is that, you don't really have faith in GOD, but you want Him blasting miracles down on you before you can believe, meanwhile, the Bible says without faith, it is impossible to please GOD.

Why do you think JESUS CHRIST mostly tell those He healed that aacording to their faith, let it be unto them?

Your uncle sowing ₦400,000 as a seed shows he thought he is paying for the miracle he thought he has received.

The pastor collecting the money as a seed is a glutton who thinks he can sell GOD'S actions for money.

There are too many errors in the picture.

GOD cures and heals for real.
I have witnessed many of such live experiences.
But you see most of those moG who claims to bind and banish are only shouting that to make themselves relevant to the congregation. GOD does not work through a proud vessel who thinks they are the ones doing the works because they're a pastor/minister.

Who has the power to alter nature and even reverse it if not GOD?
Do you even know if that pastor is close enough to GOD to bring GOD'S hands down into action?

Miracles and healings are not done by the screamings and shoutings and groanings and belchings and jumpings of any pastors. Miracles are done by GOD. So what do you now expect when you go to a pastor for a miracle and not to GOD?

If your uncle had been healed, do you think that Pastor would have given GOD the glory or claimed it to himself as a strong moG?

He refused to announce your uncle had died because he doesn't want to be seen as someone whose prayers cannot heal like he is the one to make your uncle whole in GOD'S stead.

Know who you go to as a Man of GOD, because majority of those around now are men of the Bellies.

You just learnt a lesson the bitter way, that not all men are of GOD.

Have you seen an amputee limb regrow? Yes or no

ChybuzzDD:
Just pray you don't get cancer or any other terminal disease one of these days.

You'll be forced to learn the truth about religion

..and those that have cancer got healed by your Yahweh?

SweetBuns:
In as much as I'd have liked to believe your story and sympathize with you, I still have to take everything here with a grain of salt because this is a faceless forum where anybody can claim to be somebody who did/experienced xyz.

If your story is indeed true, then I'm really sorry for your loss.
But still, you shouldn't write off all MoG because of one bad experience with people who called themselves into ministry. Have you heard of the Healing Streams by Pastor Chris Oyakhilome?

Go and do your homework, and see true miracles unfold
Stop looking at the world through a keyhole when there is a whole balcony avaliable to you.

Again, I'm sorry for your loss

All na scam
The press dont take pictures at his 'healing' sessions .
And recently got into trouble with South African authorities cos of it

SultanOfAbia:
somebody that even went to USA for chemotherapy.
Spent lots of money in India
This pastor at the beginning was telling him to ignore doctors report and have faith in God. When it got worse pastor invited him for miracle healing.
His wife was very desperate, she planned to take him to isreal weeks before he died

Was the chemo working? Was it a prostate ish?

SultanOfAbia:
One of my favorite uncle had cancer, he visited different churches. Looking for healing.
I remember one time I followed him to his pastors church.
They called him up for miracle healing
The pastor took my uncle to the altar and prayed and prayed, casting and binding together with the congregation

Then they both came out and the pastor said that my uncle had been healed. That he should do scam for the tumor.
The congregation shouted in praise
Pastor said that my uncle is already healed.
After program my uncle donate 400k to pastor.

On Monday, first thing we went to FMC and after the MRI scan. It turns out the tumor got bigger than before.

I watched my uncle slowly die in pain and agony upon all the prayers.
He lost faith in his pastor and other churches. He died 3 weeks later..

THE PASTOR REFUSED TO ANNOUNCE MY UNCLES DEATH BECAUSE IT WILL MAKE HIM LOOK LIKE HIS PRAYERS FAILED.

AFTER I NOTICED THIS
I VOWED NOT TO ENTER ANY CHURCH
THEY ARE BUNCH OF SCAMMERS SELLING HOPE FOR THE MASSES.

Sorry for your loss. I guess its a prostate cancer, right? We have poor cancer awareness in the country, even amongst health workers. And citizens hand their health over to a porn watching, popcorn munching sky daddy

Maynman:
That skills will make you a billionaire.

Christianity is a multi trillion industry with a large untapped market in Africa

truthCoder:
Early stage psychosis…

Nope. This is late stage. He's lost touch of reality and now lacks insight

MaxInDHouse:
Oh!
Now i get you, so you're so choked that you can't even breathe. I pity your life

I'll stop giving u this attention you crave

TenQ:
Did your research indicate that God dictated the book of Genesis to Moses?

Ok, then. How did we get the story of the creation?

TenQ:
I was wondering how like a boxer who is dazed cannot see and thus could even hit the referee to survive the match. You confidently accused me of something I know nothing about hence, the pix of the beatenboxer came to mind.

Sorry, I used to box in those days before I realized the the sport was not for me.

It is difficult with your level of confidence to think you were not dazed!
LOL!

You're still punch drunk. Check in with the neurosurgeon

truthCoder:
The moment you stop believing in all these religious stories and know for a fact that their stories are just horror stories is the moment those demonic dreams would stop.

Growing up, i had nightmares from these stories of witches and wizards our films wont stop telling. I stopped having those moronic dreams when I realized they were just stories.

In my teenage years I had nightmares about hell and horror movies. When I turned atheist, everything stopped. Nightmares, nyctophobia etc. In fact i watch horror movies at night with no lights on, but still dont get scared. It looked like a switched was flipped.
The human mind is powerful

Jackanda1:
The unpardonable sin is a story for another day.

From the energy you use in fighting the imaginary Yaweh in most of your posts, i begin to wonder if you're truely an atheist or one who's jealous of the goodness of Yaweh.

Becareful, God may arrest you soon

Same energy y'all expend to fight Muslims. You see topics everyday targeting Muslims and atheists. Who is expending more energy fighting who?
Now be honest(if you can), how many topics on Nairaland are pro atheist compared to pro Christian or pro Islam topics?

Image123:
Where is that?

Viking hell. I may have got the spelling wrong. Its Scandinavian

Image123:
There are many people who were not theists but had such trouble and ran to theism looking for solutions. Oppression is not only experienced by theists, don't be naive yet again.

I can't say for everyone tho. I'm telling you of my experience. And he's telling you of his. Go figure

Image123:
i will not doubt you, but ask you for the advantages if you feel compelled to make sure i hear it.

Advantages of compelling you to believe it?
Whoa!
They are many. For starters, I can tell you this unicorn can heal you of any disease and can give you eternal bliss if only you give me money

Image123:
LoLz, living without hope of eternity this. BTW, many theists don't fear angels or demons or gods. Many Christians like me simply fear God, that's all. And we do sleep far better than you do.

How sure are you that you won't burn in Neilfheim?

LordReed:
I am convinced that the only way to investigate this world is through all the senses available to me, when anyone can provide me a solid methodology with which to define what spiritual is and explore it then I won't trouble myself.

Actually, I am enjoying reality just as it is, no worries about stories of gods, angels or demons. I know you fear these things and they keep you up at night but I don't, I sleep like a baby most days so good luck to you with your gods, angels, demons and worrying.

Same as me. It amuses me when I wake up and hear such tales from theists casting and binding non existent demons

Jackanda1:
I want you to google 'Todd White testimony' and ensure to watch and listen to it on youtube. Todd White is a former atheist whose testimony i believe would bless you.

I can as well tell you I saw a flying unicorn today. Would you believe me or ask me for evidence?

Jackanda1:
Are you honestly convinced that this world is only physical and has no spiritual component?

I have had so many personal experience that you might not even believe if i bother to tell you. But the spiritual aspect of this world is so real.

There are bad and dark powers as well good ones in this realm and beyond, staying neutral as an atheist/agnostic doesn't exempt you from their influence.

Like i did, you need to begin to ask yourself questions and open your heart. Atheism and hardness of heart shuts you out of reality.

1. What experiences?
2. How come these dark powers manifest on theists alone but run away from atheists? Cos my Christian wife has all kinds of demonic obsessions like nightmares, sees ghosts in dark etc, while I don't see such. She shivers in fear while I am sipping my chill. Mind you she has talked to her pastors

Jackanda1:
If you've once recieved salvation by faith, walked with God and today you've declared yourself an athiest, you're in alot of danger.

1. You're in danger of commiting the unpardonable sin aka the sin unto death aka blasphemy of the holyspirit aka final apostacy. Its not that God won't forgive. But you're resisting forgiveness by hardening ur heart.

2. You're making yourself an agent of the devil by spreading atheism and turning people away from God. God is trying to build, yet you're destroying.

3. Since you work for the devil, you would most likely end up with him in HELL.

4. Just like Esua, you're throwing away your birthright in christ which are salvation, the Holyspirit, faith, righteousness and the kingdom of Heaven etc.

5. Declaring yourself an athiest and resisting God opens you up to demonic possesion and influence. You might not even know you're possesd, but that doesn't change the fact.

I'm writting this as a repentant athiest who went about blaspheming God.

Repent before its late!

I'm not interested in replying the other bullshit but this one got me.
You labelled the topic as unpardonable then you said Yahweh would forgive. Are you high on quality kush?

Ken4Christ:
He is alive. He lives in me.

So does the Flying Spaghetti Monster, bro. Praise His Noodly Name

Ken4Christ:
So, why haven't they found his corpse for over 2,000 years?

Which thief will come near a tomb that was heavily guarded by the Roman Soldiers?

If you want to quote a myth, why don't you quote one that has a good plot? Snow White and the Seven Dwarves have better story lines