Christianity Etc › Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 3:16pm On Apr 27, 2023 |
Ken4Christ: Refuting a claim without proof is nothing. Show me the grave of Jesus and I will believe you.
But his tomb is empty. Hallelujah, Jesus lives. Lol. Someone that never existed. Nice thought though  |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 3:15pm On Apr 27, 2023 |
Ken4Christ: You are making a joke out of this. But I know that you know the truth that Jesus is Saviour and Lord.
You will bow before him one day. You and your spaghetti will not escape Jesus. I know you are laughing at me, but one day you and your ilks here would bow down and prostrate before Him. Look at Him now and behold his Glory
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Christianity Etc › Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 3:10pm On Apr 27, 2023 |
SIRTee15: u know u confused, u may think I wont read it or miss it. Or I wont pick on it. just like the new links u sent today which I will talk about once u apologize. Ok. I thought u won't read it when you particularly requested for it? Your pastor did a good job on your brain |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 2:18pm On Apr 27, 2023 |
SIRTee15: Why didn't you post the full statement. Why did u delete the last sentence about surgery. If it's irrelevant as u claim, why did u delete it and not post it here. That's why I accused u of dishonesty. U knew what u were doing. U were caught and now doing window dressing. Only for u to come back and referred to me as a liar even though u didn't even know who u were speaking to. Apologise and we will conclude on the matter. It takes a lot of humility for a man to admit his mistake and correct it. I will definitely respect that. Except u want to tell me u have been destined not to apologise no matter what. If I was dishonest, would I post the link to you ? Don't you think I'll be shortchanging myself? Are you seeing how religion has made you lose logical reasoning? |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 2:15pm On Apr 27, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: That's exactly what other guy said about you it's always accusing people when you failed to win them over to your atheism!  Ok. Its true. Can you stop distracting me |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 2:14pm On Apr 27, 2023 |
TenQ: By the way, do you think it is sensible discussing religion with SPIRITUALLY BLIND F_OO_LS?
Before I respond to you why I speak to Muslims, will you admit that you were beaten blue-black by someone else that you couldnt see properly and thus had to just point to a random passerby in TenQ and accuse him of debating you on medical related matters? Same way it doesn't make sense for a Muslim to debate holy stuff with an infidel like you Who beat me blue black? You mean that quick that thinks SRs are induced by Yahweh? No thank you! |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 2:12pm On Apr 27, 2023 |
TenQ: You don't need to personally give a single hoot about Muslims? You are controlled by the same master, hence your master DIRECTED you to come to the Defence of Muslims. And you did: Case dismissed!
Did God WRITE the Bible? Did God DICTATE the Bible? Muslims claim that the Quran is the DICTATED and Perfectly PRESERVED Verbatim Words of Allah! And this is their primary instrument of ENSLAVEMENT to both Christians and Muslims!
The Knowledge of the Truth Sets Free!
Defend Muslims if you can, both of you would be rubbished and put in your place by simple set of words!
Have you read my posts about Muslims? Is there any thing I've said that their OWN spiritual Books did not say? https://www.nairaland.com/tenq Please how did Moses supposedly write the genesis?  |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 12:54pm On Apr 27, 2023 |
SIRTee15: The same reason it makes no sense to bring dictionary to Christian theology. Dont worry, when a client asks you to define a car or whatever, tell them the dictionary meaning your pastor told you. Even your theology employs secular knowledge and dictionary. They use etymology, philosophy etc which are all secular knowledge |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 12:52pm On Apr 27, 2023 |
SIRTee15: If u consider this a reasonable response, then u lost. How many children of professors end up as criminals compared to children from dysfunctional home with poor upbringing. God has a wonderful plan for every child. The thought he has for us is good and not of evil. He has no plan for any child to become a robber or prostitute. Whatever force u following is sick and it's eating u up. Even if I'm not a Christian, I will never believe in a fixed destiny, it's nonsense. So if u have a crystal ball that tells u your kids will end up as robbers as adults, will u continue to waste money on them ? Why is there no prostitution in Saudi Arabia. Is it because no female child in the country is destined to become a prostitute? Answer the question. You don't even understand English. Please define preknowledge. Who dey teach una all this things? Who told you theres no prostitution in SA? A simple Google search coulda helped you but you prefer that knowledge your pastor is feeding you. Leave religion and learn. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 12:48pm On Apr 27, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: Don't explode my friend, i'm just enjoying the show of shame between you and your friends with whom you were criticizing God's people on the other thread! 
I have promised not to interfere with whatever you're doing together.
So cheers!  Like I said, take your shrivelled child molesting ass outta here. This is no JW thread |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 12:46pm On Apr 27, 2023 |
SIRTee15: Why didnt you post the full statement. Why did remove the aspect of treatment. That's dishonesty. So removing the primary tumour is precaution  They should have left it and declare the woman cancer free then, see attempt to give excuse for act of dishonesty. Do you lack comprehension skills. The patient had SR. But they did surgery. My mum had breast cancer. Did chemo till no lumps were palpable. Chest xray and CT showed no lesions yet they onco advised a mastectomy which I agreed. Mitotic cells can cause a relapse later They way you argue shows you dont even have medical knowledge and youre here running your mouth |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 12:35pm On Apr 27, 2023 |
SIRTee15: I demand an apology form you for defamation of character before we continue this discussion. Otherwise no more. You have been blamspheming against me but I kept my cool, now you want an apology when you have been found out |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 12:27pm On Apr 27, 2023 |
SIRTee15: Before I reply you, I demand you apologize for defamation of character. Throughout this thread you ve been caught either deliberately hiding information or misquoting statement in order to distort a message. You are a very dishonest person and not trustworthy. U were desperate to discredit an information that adds not even a second to your life but ended up embarrassing yourself. I understand it's not your fault because according to u, it's your destiny to be dishonest and there's nothing u can do about it. But u can redeem your image by apologising when exposed. I don't even know where to start. You start with a lie about your Yahweh healing cancer. Even though I gave you copious info that it happens elsewhere you pretended I never said such. If you don't read and write, don't blame it on me. I'm not responsible for that. Where did I defame you? You also defamed me that I cannot manage cancer or any lump. Even said I'm not a physician(which I didn’t take offense cos I don't give a fvck what you think of me). If demand my apology too, Mr. Apology |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 12:23pm On Apr 27, 2023 |
SIRTee15: I didn't bother to reply because they made no sense. Greenland is a Christian state? Greenland is a autonomous region under Denmark, they run a constitutional monarchy but the executive power is the hand of a secular parliament. U obviously have no idea what u talking about.
Go and look for my definition of foreknowledge. I already defined, I'm not going to waste my time repeating. If u confused, ask maynman for help.
Word of God is inspired by the holy spirit. Whatever u doing is purely semantics based on different versions of the bible. Did you see Vatican City there, or you have dyslexia? All this hide and seek won't help you. Define foreknowledge. You never did. Did you read the part of the bible it was stated that it was BREATHED AND INSPIRED BY YAHWEH? Can something inspired by the 'almighty god' be this rubbish? |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 10:25am On Apr 27, 2023 |
Ken4Christ: It's an undeniable historical facts that no one has been able to refute.
Matthew, Mark Luke and John are the first documented evidence.
The Book of Act is another evidence.
The experience of Paul as written in the book of Acts and his letters are evidences.
If their written records are not true, someone should be able to refute them with evidences but no one has ever done that.
Lastly, I am a living evidence that Jesus is alive because he lives in me. And he has filled me with his Holy Spirit. Again , those Gospels were written hundreds of years after they purportedly happened Also I'm a living witness to the power and glory of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. I can cure sickness with the knowledge bestowed on me by His Hallowed Noodly Limbs. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 10:22am On Apr 27, 2023 |
SIRTee15: Using a word in it's own definition is not helpful here. U failed to define repentance. If u mean remorse or regret- that doesn't cut it. Repentance in Christianity- sense of guilt, acknowledgement of sin and genuine desire to turn away from sin and embrace God through salvation. You're now attributing repentance to only Yahweh? Is the word repentance of Christian origin, so why are you attaching it to Christianity here only? I noticed you didn't say anything about the other fuckups I exposed  |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 10:20am On Apr 27, 2023 |
SIRTee15: He actually wanted to quote me but the spirit of confusion in him misled him to misquote u. That shows not only is jaephoenix a dishonest human being but also confused and disoriented. But u know what, he will come here and tell u that it's not his fault because he's destined to be confused and dishonest. He will also claim he was born to be a liar so he can't help it. He's Mr irreversible destiny. Mr. Wannabe chrissie I have given you instances of SRs from reliable sources. Not the hearsay you are telling me here |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 10:19am On Apr 27, 2023 |
TenQ: Sorry sir! You mixed me up with someone else. I am not in the medical or biological sciences, therefore except for mundane things I can't debate anyone on cancer or chemotherapy . I don't even know what SR means and I've not received any treatment In one sentence, explain why you harass Muslims but run away from atheists  |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 10:16am On Apr 27, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: Face off among those that became friends when they wanted to criticize JWs. The big show!  Get out of here. This isn't a JW thread |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 10:15am On Apr 27, 2023 |
SIRTee15: The problem is you are confused, not only are u dishonest but disoriented. The same way quoted the wrong person is the way u imagined I said something I did not. My God is exposing u for who you are. Now I will post all our conversation re the cancer case and ask all including your maynman to judge who is the liar. April 21 12.18pm jaephoenix:
1. Why does Yahweh use thunder and lightning to speak to people in the bible, but now only speaks personally these days? Why does he appear to people back then but nobody dey see him brake lights these days? Why does he display his might by sending down fire from heaven but these days its a problem? Now you're using jargons like Rhema which is a term many Christians call different things. With all this rhema have you seen an amputee limb regrow? 2. About your question, I haven't seen any life miracle. And yes also I work in the medical field. I'm a 17 year post housejob physician and yet haven't seen any of the miracle you talk about. Diseases relapse and regress, and it doesn't have any supernatural connotations because it also happens to non-christians and people that don't pray to your god. And also those cancer remissions can also relapse. And we don't know everything about diseases. We are still researching. Please which specific medical field are you in? 3. We're used to being called foolish because we don't acknowledge your god. Yet the joke is on you grin
[b]How do u know God doesn't use lightning and thunder to communicate his words. Have u spoken to all men of God today to confirm? Besides in the new covenant we now have the holy spirit in us that constantly communicates. We don't have to wait for rain like sango worshippers b4 hearing from God. That's the privilege we enjoy but absent in the old covenant. The spirit actually has to descend to communicate to the prophets.
I don't need to disclose my field of work.
But explain to me this so called cancer regression in an elderly woman with advanced fungating stage 4 cervical cancer with cachetic body. If u have actually been with someone described above, u will know how badly they smell that they are normally isolated on the ward. This was a woman I saw few months later and was completely healthy. I didn't even recognise her. I was using style to ask her daughter who was with her how's her mum because I believed she would have been dead. Only for her to tell me the person I'm asking after is actually the one beside her. To say I was shocked was an understatement. This happened in Benue state. She was taken to a popular man of God in NIgeria for prayers. My opinion of that man of God changed after that experience. [/b] April 21 3.06pm jaephoenix:
[b]1. How do you know Yahweh still interacts with lightning and thunder? Has he been doing such with you? 2. I'm sure you must have seen or heard several people commit all sorts of crimes ranging from fornication or adultery to murder, and then claim they had an unction from the holy spirit to do it. Does your holy spirit authorize such? If you say no, then you're saying that such 'unctions' can be faked. 3. No problem if you don't wanna talk about your work 4. About the stage 4 cervical CA, I have some questions A. Which hospital was that? B. Was she on chemo/radio? C. Was a debulking op done on her?
Let's just go to number 4. The rest are mere speculations from your sides. Why do you want to know the hospital. Do u know any Nigerian hosp that has successfully managed a stage 4 advanced cervical cancer.
Radio or chemo in benue state for stage 4 cervical cancer. I want to believe u work in a teaching hospital in Nigeria where u people just throw everything at patient anyhow. Someone that's dying, u will be telling the family to pay 100k for ICU, 50k for CT scan, 100k for theatre. That's not how general or private hospital operates. She was referred anyway but didn't go.
That's what we offered her but when we explained to family it's just to reduce the fungating smell and help with quality of life but not really to cure the cancer, they took her away.
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April 21. 7.29pm jaephoenix:
1. You said all I said was speculation? How do you know? 2. I know stage 4 CAs falls into palliative care. But they still receive chemo and radio. My question is was she on those treatments before they took her away?
2. Nope. But common be real. So u expecting chemo and radio to do the magic for a metastatic cancer. It makes them worse if anything. Esp in Nigeria where adjuvant treatment support is poor. Look here, the woman has received her healing, let's move on. I can tell u another one I witnessed in uch if u interested. I get them plenty for pocket. MIRACLE IS REAL.
April 22. 8.05am jaephoenix:
Bro if you have been following my posts, I said remissions happen to everyone, including Muslims, Atheists etc, those that never prayed to Yahweh. So I don't understand what you are pointing at. Its not Yahweh that caused it. I told you that we scientists don't understand everything about these diseases, especially mitotic lesions
Give me evidence of a metastatic fungating cervical cancer that went into full remission, without any form of therapy. Post the evidence here, I will like to see it.
April 24. 3.19pm jaephoenix:
Bro, the study of spontaneous remissions in carcinomas has been ongoing for decades. Many physicians worldwide have observed it and there are many well documented cases. It has absolutely no relationship with any religion, race or regions. And definitely not caused by Yahweh. Like I said twice before, there are many things we don't understand about cancers which come to light daily. I'll post some links about reported cases here. This is from an Oncology journal https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.annalsofoncology.org/article/S0923-7534(19)63993-1/pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjGycat5L_-AhWNxQIHHTLgCGcQFnoECCUQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3Ab6t0_He-TofYi8RSWUzo
The pdf reads… Spontaneous remission of cancer (SR) is defined as a complete or partial, temporary or permanent disappearance of all or at least some relevant parameters of a soundly diagnosed malig- nant disease without any medical treatment or with treatment that is considered inadequate to produce the resulting regres- sion. We report the case of a 61-year-old man who presented with extensive metatastic disease five months after pneumo- nectomy for poorly differentiated large cell and polymorphic lung cancer. A vast metastatic tumour mass of the abdominal wall was confirmed histolologically and there was clinical and radiographic evidence of liver and lung metastases. Eight months later, the patient was operated on for a hernia, which had developed in the inguinal biopsy scar and the surgeon confirmed complete clinical SR of the abdominal wall metas- tases. Again five months later there was no longer any radio- logic evidence of liver and lung metastases. Complete remis- sion has persisted more than five years. Histology of the primary and of the abdominal metastases were reviewed by several independent pathologists. SR is an extremly rare event in lung cancer. This is the first documented case of clinically evident visceral metastases of a bronchiogenic adenocarci- noma developing after complete resection of the primary and then showing complete SR. The epidemiology of SR is reviewed and possible mechanisms involved in SR are dis- cussed.
This is another instances https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9402178/
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/353036355_The_spontaneous_remission_of_cancer_Current_insights_and_therapeutic_significance
https://www.curetoday.com/view/inflammatory-biomarkers-from-lung-cancer-depression-may-predict-survival-outcomes
https://bmcpulmmed.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12890-019-0978-4
All the above from scientific Journals, not hearsays My point is spontaneous remissions occur whether people pray to your Yahweh or not. Get that
If this is the best u can come up as evidence. Then u may not have managed lots of cancer pxt. That u even have to Google this up is funny, something that's quite common. Metastatic cancer is no longer death sentence compared to 1-2 decades ago. One of my patient diagnosed of advanced squamous cell cancer of the mandible has now been told he's cancer free. He had palliative radiotherapy last yr because they couldn't do surgery- tumour was too advance. Now the oncologist had written that he should be removed from cancer register because the cancer is cleared. I can't count cases like above I've encountered. [b]My own case is a woman who had fungating advanced cancer and it regressed without any treatment. So convenient it disappeared after meeting a man of God.[/b] Ok let me be lenient. Post me cases of confirmed cancer diagnosis that regressed without treatment. Let's leave metastasis out of it.
April 25. 8.02 am jaephoenix:
Chemo and radio can be used in palliative care. You need to read up
U are beginning to put words into my mouth. Where did I say they are not used. I said it's not a magic cure at that stage.
Jaephoenix April 25 8.17am Which atheist did you challenge and that ran away? You talked about a woman getting healed about stage 4 cervical CA and I gave you scientific evidence that many people irrespective of religion, race and nationality have spontaneous carcinomatous remission. Those people did not pray to any yahweh for healing, yet got healed. Is that too much for you to understand? Spontaneous remission after receiving treatment. undecided Atheists will do anything to win an argument.
April 25 8.23 am jaephoenix:
1. Bro, I brought scientifically diagnosed cases from medical journals because anyone can claim anything online (myself included). And that example is better than me saying I know so-so and so person who had spontaneous remission after a late prostate cancer that has metastasized to the lung or liver. 2. And yes lots of people get cured of cancers worldwide, not just in nigeria. Thanks to science and not yahweh. 3. So you're saying your index patient never had a drop of chemo or ray of radio? How was the diagnosis of the late cervical CA made? Have u actually seen a case of advanced cervical cancer with fungating mass b4? Biopsy is for what u already know which we did anyway. I already told u she had no chemo, radio or surgery. Guy u are beginning to sound like those Pharisees in John 9 who were pestering that blind man who was healed by Jesus. They wouldn't believe the poor guy but still wouldn't let him be.
jaephoenix:
You cleverly avoided using them. Because I have been asking you this question but you haven't been aswering them. If a patient was on those modalities, the chances of remission is high. So where is the miracle? Also the fact people that don't pray to yahweh or people that don't pray at all, still experience remission, then its obvious not a miracle
I will respond to this because it's medical related. Don't spread fallacy here Chemo or radio for metastatic cancers still carries poor prognosis, remission do happen esp with advancement on therapy but it's not magic cure at that stage.
jaephoenix:
No. The essence of biopsy is to know the specific cervical cancer type which would determine the specific chemo to use. Why are you changing stance? You told me they used chemo and radio. I have told you several times the causes of that remission. It looks like you don't read my posts
Point to me where I wrote she had chemo and radio. U sha want her to have treatment by fire by force. She didn't have treatment, deal with it.
Essence of biopsy is to know specific cancer type? Seriously? Are u a doctor as u claim? Let me ask u few questions, If u remove a lump from a patient, will u send that lump for Biopsy or not? If you perform colonoscopy on a patient who presented with rectal bleed. Will u send the parts of the bowel tissue for biopsy or not?
Now when I asked for above, the dishonest person born with a lying destiny screenshot this... jaephoenix:
Chemo and radio can be used in palliative care. You need to read up
U are beginning to put words into my mouth. Where did I say they are not used. I said it's not a magic cure at that stage. This was the desperate liar's evidence. When what I was clarifying here was that they do use chemo and radio in palliative cancer care but it's not magic cure at that stage. I never inferred this re the index lady. Did they say the cancer disappeared immediately after prayers? |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 10:04am On Apr 27, 2023 |
SIRTee15: See why debating with u is waste of time. U went the whole world to define death but still failed the test. Death is separation of soul from the body. Now if u don't agree with above why should I discuss afterlife with u? Reason why discussing hell or heaven with u guys is waste of time. Ok now you're opening more can of worms? Lemme oblige you and agree. But before that, lets see. Can you define 'soul' and 'body' here?  |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 10:03am On Apr 27, 2023 |
SIRTee15: Why didnt you post the full statement. Why did remove the aspect of treatment. That's dishonesty. So removing the primary tumour is precaution  They should have left it and declare the woman cancer free then, see attempt to give excuse for act of dishonesty. Ok. Here are more examples from reliable sources. This time from British Medical Journal. Locally advanced lung cancer, if untreated, typically progresses although the rapidity of progression may vary. The authors report the case of an 84-year-old woman who presented with radiologically progressive, biopsy proven stage IIIB (T2N3) squamous cell carcinoma in the left lower lobe of the lung. Her disease was too advanced for curative treatment and in view of the lack of symptoms to palliate, she received no anticancer treatment. In follow-up, her tumour was noted to spontaneously regress in size on serial chest x-rays. Eight months after biopsy, restaging CT showed complete resolution of the enlarged biopsy proven mediastinal and hilar lymph nodes and significant regression of the primary tumour. She remains clinically well.https://casereports.bmj.com/content/2010/bcr.07.2010.3147More examples Spontaneous regression of hepatocellular cancer: Case report and review of the literature [8].
Patient had chronic hepatitis C infection, inflammation of the liver. Patient was admitted for pneumonia afterward patient had a remission of hepatocellular carcinoma without any signs or symptoms. Two separate immune reactions are occurring at about the same time.
Spontaneous regression of hepatocellular cancer: Case report and review of the literature [8].
Patient had chronic hepatitis C infection, inflammation of the liver. Patient was admitted for pneumonia afterward patient had a remission of hepatocellular carcinoma without any signs or symptoms. Two separate immune reactions are occurring at about the same time.
Complete remission of splenic marginal zone lymphoma after an acute flare-up of hepatitis B in a hepatitis B virus carrier [5].
Patient has chronic hepatitis B. HBs antibody is negative. HBs antibody becomes positive and patient has a flare-up of hepatitis B. Afterwards the patient had a remission of lymphoma without any signs or symptoms. Two separate immune reactions are occurring at about the same time https://clinmedjournals.org/articles/ijccr/international-journal-of-cancer-and-clinical-research-ijccr-6-112.phpSo what can you say about these ones, Mr. Yahweh-Heals-Cancers-Through-Prayers  |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 9:38am On Apr 27, 2023 |
SIRTee15:
People, above is what happens when u depart from God and claim u are atheist. The devil builds a throne in your heart and invites his legions to build a workshop. Then they will passing depraved and corrupt thought through your heart. How can someone say an innocent child that doesn't know her left or right, has no sense of danger already has the spirit of prostitution and armed robbery living in them. Even a 2 year old knows nothing expect to cry, play, eat and smile at you. But at that age, her mind is already building for her a despicable career in red street light district acording to jaephoenix. Above is the reason why the Muslim north is in destitute and dragging the rest of the nation backwards. They believe in this kind of nonsense thinking that Allah has designed the destiny of every child so it's a waste of time training them. They just have babies and once the baby can walk, they throw them to the streets to fend themselves. The parents are not bothered since what will be will be. Of course, this kids become breeding ground for terrorist and bandits, all because of a warped mentality. Has jaephoenix bothered to test his theory in places like Norway that has lesser crime and Saudi Arabia that has no prostitution? How come Providence forgot to push armed robbers and prostitutes to those countries but we get them plenty for Nigeria. Even Yoruba culture believes your destiny lies in your hand while ibos believe if u say yes your chi will eventually say yes. But one wannabe fatalist atheist is insisting otherwise. Pls ignore him, na isokuso. He knows too well that he's saying nonsense. I'm sure he will give the best to his children so that they will come out well in life. But wants other people's children to became whores or thugs so that he can continue to indulge in his 3some/porn addiction or for political thug when he desires political ambition. Education, family upbringing and environment plays important role in shaping the future of a child. There's no fixed destiny anywhere. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, above is the reason why education and not religion is pertinent to a nation's growth. Destiny clearly means a predetermined ending. Not controlled by oneself or others. But this brainwashed dude still cannot accept it. He prefers what his pastor told him. I can decide to train my kids to be good people but they end up as robbers. My own parents are both pentecostal christians, they strongly want me to be like them. They trained me with daily bible recitals, bible study classes etc. Did it pan out like that? Unfortunately no. Why? Its my destiny to be an atheist at this point in my life. Note: I may turn out to be a chrissie later in life by some classic twist of fate. I don't know for sure. No one knows for sure. You cannot know for sure what a child would end up to be. A professor, pastor or wealthy politician can have armed robber kids. This can happen by a twist of fate AKA destiny. Did the kid wish it that way initially? Probably not! My 10 year old bible totting self(steeped in Scripture Union) wouldn't wish to be an atheist but here I am. IT'S ALL DESTINYAnd what has destiny gotta do with crime rates in Saudi and Norway? You well so? |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 9:25am On Apr 27, 2023 |
SIRTee15: 1. Of course I agree with u that freedom mean the same thing in America and Afghanistan. That's why it took America 4 presidents, thousand of lives mostly young men, wasted trillions of dollars and 20 years to replace Taliban with Taliban all in the name of defining freedom in Afghanistan. 2. Define death, then maybe we can talk. I dont want to waste my time with u anymore. 1. We are talking of dictionary definitions not political views and actions 2. I have done that a long time ago |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 9:24am On Apr 27, 2023 |
TenQ: Of course, birds of the same "father" watching out for each other! LOL!
So, it pained you that I am revealing things Muslims would rather keep secret!?
Too bad Bro!
All you Atheists on NL are in no match for me: that's why no storm kicks up with respect to you in my teacup! Narrow minded wannabes forming knowledge! SMH!
Most Muslims even in their errors are a thousand times more sincere (only sincerely wrong) than you Atheists. People with narrow knowledge claiming to be gods to themselves! I don't give a Bleep about Muslims. My point is whoever lives in a glass house shouldn't throw stones. Your Bible is fraught with loads of contradictions and falsehoods but you ignore it and attack the qoran. Thats my point |
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Best Argument For The Existence Of God? by jaephoenix(m): 9:09am On Apr 27, 2023 |
Maynman: OLAADEGBU is desperate to defend his religion and Israelite god, yahweh.
I don’t think OLAADEGBU knows what arianism mean, the ignorant theist doesn’t know he is worshipping Tertulian trinity concept. Like a typical indoctrinated believer he swallows everything his doctrine tells him without thinking. Brainwashing na wonderful skills. Sometimes I wish that I have such skills. Write some bullshit in a book and tell peeps its the word of god and watch them swallow it hook, line, sinker, fish etc |
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Best Argument For The Existence Of God? by jaephoenix(m): 7:11am On Apr 27, 2023 |
OLAADEGBU: Did you know that the popularity of atheism is a modern phenomenon?
The Father of Science, Sir Isaac Newton said, “Atheism is so senseless.” Albert Einstein distanced himself from it, by saying, “In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views.”
The Bible gives it just 11 words. It says, “The fool has said in his heart, There is no God.” (Psalm 14:1). Then it repeats those exact words in Psalm 52:1, no doubt to make sure we get the message. Atheism is foolishness—because it believes the scientific impossibility that nothing created everything. It is an intellectual embarrassment.
Ray Comfort.
Source This your Ray Comfort or whoever wrote this is either a liar or stupid. Newton wouldn't be considered a Christian by today's standards. Although born into an Anglican family, by his thirties Newton held a Christian faith that, had it been made public, would not have been considered orthodox by mainstream Christianity,[123] with one historian labelling him a heretic.[124] By 1672, he had started to record his theological researches in notebooks which he showed to no one and which have only recently[when?] been examined. They demonstrate an extensive knowledge of early Church writings and show that in the conflict between Athanasius and Arius which defined the Creed, he took the side of Arius, the loser, who rejected the conventional view of the Trinity. Newton "recognized Christ as a divine mediator between God and man, who was subordinate to the Father who created him."[125] He was especially interested in prophecy, but for him, "the great apostasy was trinitarianism."[126] Newton tried unsuccessfully to obtain one of the two fellowships that exempted the holder from the ordination requirement. At the last moment in 1675 he received a dispensation from the government that excused him and all future holders of the Lucasian chair.[127] In Newton's eyes, worshipping Christ as God was idolatry, to him the fundamental sin.[128] In 1999, historian Stephen D. Snobelen wrote, "Isaac Newton was a heretic. But ... he never made a public declaration of his private faith—which the orthodox would have deemed extremely radical. He hid his faith so well that scholars are still unraveling his personal beliefs."[124] Snobelen concludes that Newton was at least a Socinian sympathiser (he owned and had thoroughly read at least eight Socinian books), possibly an Arian and almost certainly an anti-trinitarian.[124]
Most scholars conclude that was Isaac Newton was an Arian.Then about Einstein,… that one is even funnier He clarified however that, "I am not an atheist", preferring to call himself an agnostic, or a "religious nonbeliever." Einstein also stated he did not believe in life after death, adding "one life is enough for me." He was closely involved in his lifetime with several humanist groups.You picked up just 2 scientists and erroneously labelled them as Christians but you ignored a host of atheistic(not even agnostic) scientists. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists_in_science_and_technologyYou suck  |
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Best Argument For The Existence Of God? by jaephoenix(m): 6:43am On Apr 27, 2023 |
OLAADEGBU: See real scientists and what they say about God. Do you still think you're a scientist? 
Here is Charles Hard Townes. 
Source You used the personal view of one scientist to judge the professional views of every scientist? By the way, did you ask him which god? By the way, what is his logical reasoning for a god? |
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Best Argument For The Existence Of God? by jaephoenix(m): 6:41am On Apr 27, 2023 |
OLAADEGBU: How many lives have you murdered through abortion alone?  I never told you I do abortions but then I'm dealing with a Christian. Lies and propaganda is a natural for them |
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Best Argument For The Existence Of God? by jaephoenix(m): 6:39am On Apr 27, 2023 |
Maynman: What are Apes? Are you dull? Do you think Apes means monkey? The guy na certified dunce, aswear |
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Best Argument For The Existence Of God? by jaephoenix(m): 6:38am On Apr 27, 2023 |
OLAADEGBU: Where evolutionists see "common ancestor," we see Common Designer!
Source You should have paid more attention in your biology class. Look at how you're displaying ignorance |
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Best Argument For The Existence Of God? by jaephoenix(m): 6:37am On Apr 27, 2023 |
OLAADEGBU: Scientific, did you say?  Where did you get that ignorant meme? |