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Janosky:
Oga,stop eating and drinking water until the month ends.

Your applying this option would build your blood volume/count tremendously.

Ozuo

I used to think Max was the densest of you lots but it looks like there's a new challenger to that Densest of the Dense Throne.
What has stopping to drink and eat got to do with blood or blood transfusion?

Janosky:

Your colleagues have been managing emergency situations without the medical option you prefer,do they have two heads?

Is your preferred option, the only form of medical treatment recommended & APPROVED by your colleagues & by the Law ?

Oga ,go & update your skills,stop this prejudice in public.
Haba !!!



Go and learn from your medical colleagues & leverage on your Competence.

Why do you rather than expose your bias and prejudice against people you have taken an oath of professionalism to treat without prejudice?

Lol.
So bro, can you ask those hallowed colleagues how they have been managing acute blood loss through exsanguination(carotid/femoral laceration) , severe Post Partum Hemorrhage, Severe Neonatal Jaundice etc, all without blood transfusion.
You can give me links here of such researches and management protocols. Thank you

Janosky:
Your bias against Jehovah's witnesses is very luminous.

How was the step mother's sexual abuse of her son settled in 1 Corinthians 5:1-2,9-13?

Is the Law not dynamic?
Rather than update your knowledge on how such matters are handled, you choose to express your prejudice & ignorance forming woke.

This is the Bible passage you ignorantly posted.

1.It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate: A man is sleeping with his father’s wife.
2. And you are proud! Shouldn’t you rather have gone into mourning and have put out of your fellowship the man who has been doing this
9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister[a] but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.

12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you
As you can see, Paul (or whoever) said you should not associate with heathens. But here you are, a JW bigot, using internet, food, electricity, phone etc all made by heathens. You even gladly accept money from gambling organizations but hide the fact.
Also the passage says to cast out, expunge and expel the wicked amongst you. Are you doing that? No. Instead what do you do? You hide those child molesters and tell the authorities you'll deal with it internally, which you only give the person a slap on the wrist.
As an atheist, I really find it embarrassing teaching 'christians' their own bible

MaxInDHouse:
The only way to help a REAL JW get out of the organization is to present a better performing group than Jehovah's Witnesses.
For instance try to agree on terms and conditions of worship with tctrills then come back to me and prove that you guys aren't confused! Luke 11:23

Whenever you catch out Max in a debate, this is his mantra. And he loves it. Even though its false and a lie, its not his problem

Maynman:
Same deity, Different doctrines bwahahahaha

That's part of what got me to deconvert. Christianity alone has thousands of splinter denominations, each saying their own pot of soup is the best, and claiming the rest would burn in hell. I debated with myself, being a Christian isn't even enough, so I have to be in the right sect to earn the Pearly Gates ticket.
So if I make the wrong choice of sect, I'd still burn in hell like the rest of Muslims, Buddhists etc. And all because Yahweh sent us his book which contains stupid contradictions and barefaced lies. And this book spawned lots of denominations and splinter groups.
Eventually I got my answer. It was all made for human control

MaxInDHouse:
By spending billions of dollars to produce weapons and training humans how to kill their fellow humans shey?

For your information there's no evil thought that's going on in the minds of imperfect humans that JWs aren't prone to it yet with the help of God's word we are turning our swords into plowshares. Isaiah 2:4

Shame on you and all your teachers, Jehovah has proved to be the wisest!

If hiding the impunities and atrocities of your fellow Witnesses qualifies as peace loving, then lemme have war!
I hate hypocrisy!

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ stop deceiving yourself!

I asked you earlier "who trained you to become a physician?"
Now you know that some have advanced more than your hopeless blood transfusion you want to shift blame.
Guy go and update your information blood transfusion is becoming obsolete, thanks to JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES who taught those doctors that alternative remedies are available!

Lol. This makes my day. Again lol.
I would have stopped engaging you for the health of my brain cells, but I'm torn between comedy and health.
1. There are what we call indications for alternative blood transfusion. Indications mean instances where they are given. Acute blood loss requires blood, especially in this part of the world. If you Max(in Nigeria), have an acute blood loss and request for artificial blood instead of real blood, you'll surely bleed to death. No caps. Even though they are trying to make better blood substitutes, they are not readily available in Nigeria due to our problems. So what are you gonna do?
2. If you can read, which I doubt you do, you'll see there has been research on going for blood substitutes since the 15th century, well before JW rascals came on this earth. And this researches have been providing blood substitutes which is almost like the real blood(but not quite). And they keep on doing their work. So which JW taught them? Do you guys even fund any of those researches?
I don't feel like cussing you out but keep on exposing your ignorance for my risible pleasure.

MaxInDHouse:
Fine keep your opinion while i keep mine.

Serena Williams is a world class celebrity in the world's most influential country USA.
She insisted on none blood treatment based on her knowledge of the Bible and American doctors gave her alternative blood treatment.
So it's you that's killing your brain cells with obsolete information infused in your head by your white supremacists.
For your information Serena Williams is now a fully baptized member of Jehovah's Witnesses showing that what she knew is authentic and beneficial!

1. Bro, what scenario did Serena have that she received alternative blood transfusion? Even the doctors in the US would tell you there are limitations to those alternatives and being in a reseource poor environment like Nigeria, you won't have it handy. Take for example Erythropoietin and iron sucrose . Its very costly and thus not easily available. It costs 40k to 50k weekly. And given 2x weekly. And guess what, this is for chronic anemia which happens in kidney disease or cancer.
In acute anemia, you need blood, straight up . Ask any doctor you meet. Also ask your Kingdom hall pastors(or whatever you call them),if they are honest, they'll tell you its not indicated in all cases of blood loss or anemia.
2. When you say White Supremacist gave us crap I laugh at you. Are those 8 bald headed vultures in the US that control your brain cells blacks? But if they tell you, "Max stop eating" you'll gladly ask them "for how many days?"
Unfortunately I'm not built that way. I have a thinking machine sitting on my neck. I ask questions.
Also those 'White Supremacists' gave us modern medicine. The thing with medicine is it works in any part of the world you are in. So you cant use a different drug for different ailments. Its the same. The issue is availability. There are better blood alternatives in the US, even though they take the place of real blood. But those alternatives aren't available for the average Nigerian here.
Your Serena Williams didn't have those scenarios I listed there, so please shove your ignorance where the sun don't shine

Many theists(especially christians) deconvert to atheism. No one cares. No thread is opened. An atheist comverts to christianity… boom, thread!

MaxInDHouse:
That's your own story.

But what affects the whole world is suffering from mismanagement of funds that's supposed to be spent on more important things than amassing weapons and training humans to kill humans!

To create and maintain peace, you have to be a warrior.
Humans are generally conflictive. We can't escape it. Put 2 humans in a room for 1 week and strife would emerge. Even in your JW, you have conflicts but you try as much as possible to hide it and maintain your 'peaceful and loving organization' narrative.
Hypocrite

MaxInDHouse:
They were never worshipers of the God of Abraham, that's why God destroyed their generation after generation with pagan nations coming to kill them and their babies.
So don't think true servants of God have any regard for faithless Jews!

I thought you guys said they are gods own people?

Jackanda1:
I don't think they would want to lose the proceeds they make from christian tourism

They would have banned christianity a long time ago but it was those religious tourist income that has been holding them back. They knew Christianity was a scam long ago. I guess they had enough of the nuisance

MaxInDHouse:
No wonder Serena Williams died without it?

She had pulmonary embolism (PE) which means some clothes got lodged in her lungs, which is an emergency and is fatal. Fortunately for her, she's in a country with a better healthcare. And no, PE management doesnt require blood transfusion. What it require is good imaging technique to determine the site of the clot(embolus) and interventional radiologist and pulmonologist who use stents and other stuff to gradually remove it.
Like I said, engaging you is a death kneel for my brain cells.

MaxInDHouse:
Whose brain is working?

Those preaching zealously and industriously teaching in all their neighbourhood how to settle their disparities peacefully without using weapons or those spending billions of dollars to build weapons and train their children so as to go killing and get killed?

You mean preaching zealously and industriously teaching in all their neighbourhood how to molest children and cover it up with the excuse that they would be settled internally?

MaxInDHouse:
Even your transfusion can't guarantee life at the point of death so leave STORY!

Bro, don't even go there. Blood transfusion literally gives life.
1. That's woman bleeding from Post Partum Hemorrhage would instantly open her eyes when you hang blood on her. Once you hang the blood and continue the uterine massage and hang your oxycotin drip in the other hand, she is safe.
2. That man that has a lacerated spleen or liver(the commonly damaged internal organs during road accidents) or carotid gets to love once blood is one with crystalloids also infusing. While you wheel to the theater for the explorative laparotomy
3. Once that baby that has severe jaundice receives the exchange blood transfusion, s/he would be active, skin color changes and life comes back.
I just remembered one JW with post partum hemorrhage, that was begging her hubby not to let her die while she bled out. I wanted to cry.
The hubby just stood looking. See eh, forget, religion is a crime. Whoever invented it is the real devil. This man stood watching his wife die because of what some 8 balded idiots in the US said

Clairvoyancy:
I'm sure you don't want to go into this discussion... Do you? Like are you for real? Do you even read your history books? Or is your assertion limited to Nigeria alone? Or let me say Africa? Have you read or been to country that doesn't believe in God before the widespread of evangelism now? Do you have an idea of what is been done to those early preachers of gospel? Do you? I'm sure you don't know... You still have a long way to go asan atheist, you need to acquire more knowledge... Imagine you forming victim due to an harmless practice of our faith.. who is forcing it down your throat? Show me any death or bloodshed, mind you, I'm into Christianity, so your reply to this should be from the perspective of my religion, don't judge me based on other religion...

Oh yeah. Im free this morning. So yeah I wanna get into this discussion.
Please we are talking about forcing your religion down the throat of others.
Obviously you have not heard of the Great Crusades or the Huguenot Wars or the Witch trials in US and UK. All those christian wars killed millions of non believers.
Also you obviously haven't heard of Christian terrorists.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/nathaniel-veltman-muslim-family-canada-b1862845.html%3famp

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10576100701611288

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/feb/16/wieambilla-shootings-australia-christian-terrorist-attack-queensland-police

https://www.salon.com/2015/04/07/6_modern_day_christian_terrorist_groups_our_media_conveniently_ignores_partner
But I guess being ignorant comes with the Christian package.

Clairvoyancy:
Deviating? Maybe yes, when you don't even understand what the basics are, should there be a need for an argument? Imagine, putting Yahweh, thor and other gods in same sentence, when I clearly stated that we have only one God... So what response do you expect from me, it shows you don't even understand what you are fighting against, and maybe what you choose to stand for too... Just maybe

Youre the incoherent one here. Are all those you listed not gods?
The sheer arrogance in Christianity is terrifying. Anyway, other religions believe their god na the bomb. So I understand

Maynman:
Don’t underestimate yahweh worshippers

Bro, the thing shock me. Brainwashing is a serious ish. It completely stops your brain from working

MaxInDHouse:
YES you know that's why you're insisting on what your white supremacists infused in your head.
Ọmọ that plant has been used to perform lots of miracles so keep your opinion to yourself!

Ok. No need to flog a dead horse.
Engaging you has done enough damage to my brain cells

MaxInDHouse:
You asked for alternative nah and i presented one for you prepared from the beginning of creation by the Creator Himself! Psalms 104:14

So you'll chew those leaves when you're bleeding out in minutes?

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ it's you who doesn't believe in a Creator i do and as for your desperate moves to argue blindly this is what i said earlier:



So i have presented a plant that all your tutors knows nothing about!

1. I just gave you scenarios where your plant extracts are useless. You're yet to respond.
2. We know exactly what those plants(and even those you don't know) give in the body. And we also know they are useless in acute blood loss

Maynman:
Those in need of blood in the hospital should be consuming ewe ajere bwahahahahah

The guy don weak me seriously

MaxInDHouse:
So you weren't trained by the creator who made leaves available for alternative blood! Psalms 104:14

I just saw your pic now and I couldn't help but laugh at your stupidity.
First you said fruits, now you're showing me leaves.
How long does those leaves take before giving u blood?
Lemme help you. It takes about 2 to 3 weeks before those leaves ingested gives a gram of blood.
Now imagine you, Max, have a cut on your neck from a road traffic accident. Your jugular vein is lacerated, and you are bleeding out in 5 minutes or so. You're rushed to the hopsital. You're offered blood, and you declined. You opt for leaves and you start chewing or you tell your wife to boil it for you , which you won't be alive to drink the juice in 5 minutes when its ready. You'll be dead in 5 or 6 minutes, depending on your blood volume and the rate of bleed.
Are you seeing how 'smart' you are?

MaxInDHouse:
So you weren't trained by the creator who made leaves available for alternative blood! Psalms 104:14

Ok now, things are getting interesting.
1. Which creator? Eledumare? Thor? Flying Spaghetti Monster? Yahweh? Allah?
2. I may be wrong but I haven't seen any medical school, both undergraduate and postgraduate, created or being trained by any 'creator'. Where is such located? Your Kingdom hall?

3. Im aware some leafy vegetables are sources of hematogenous vitamins like vitamin B complex, but they are useless in all those scenarios I listed
4.
This is what your verse says
14 He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and herb for the service of man: that he may bring forth food out of the earth
Blood isn't food. Food gives rise to calories. Those calories are what gives nutrients to cells. Blood gives oxygen to cells for important biochemical reactions.
5. Again I ask, WHAT IS THE FRUIT THAT GIVES BLOOD?
Your buybull didn’t give the name of the fruit

MaxInDHouse:
YES! Gift in what sense nah?

So suddenly you don't know what gifts are again? Ok.
gift
/ɡɪft/
noun
1.
a thing given willingly to someone without payment; a present.
"wedding gifts"

MaxInDHouse:
Jaephoenix, who trained you to qualify as a physician?

I just responded, sire

MaxInDHouse:
Trained by who?

Federal Republic of Nigeria. University of Calabar to be exact. 2006 the year

MaxInDHouse:
Gifts in what sense?

Psalm 127:3
Children are a gift from the Lord; they are a reward from him.

You need to be reading your Bible often

MaxInDHouse:
NO!

Good. So you're negating your earlier statement that Yahweh is not omniscient

MaxInDHouse:
Make a research for alternatives google is your friend!

Bro, I'm a physician. I know all the alternative blood transfusions out there. And I have told you scenarios where they are completely useless.
So again I ask which fruits give blood? Patiently waiting for your quick reply. Thank you

Wagwanbrethren:
Maybe someday, I go fit play those games again. Still miss them though! Lol

Those days aren't gonna come, sadly. Better games and movies are popping up daily. And we get older daily. So I make my time, even if its one hour, mash my controller and chill

Clairvoyancy:
That's not smart of you, son.


You are the one who isn't smart in actually, the post or thread wasn't created for a debate between theists and atheists, but you made sure you displayed your ignorance by antagonising the OP's claim of God's existence... That shouldn't be if you are really smart as you claim... You are an atheist, fine, keep that to yourself and stop forcing it down others who feels otherwise throat...

BTW, I'm not your son...

Whoa! Just whoa!
Look around you, bro. How many topics on Nairaland are created by atheists?
Even offline, I get woken up from sleep by evangelizing christians and prayerful Muslims. In fact I started chatting by 5am today because I was woken up this morning by some idiot who feels I must wake up and convert to Yahweh instantly. If I'm walking to my car, i get tracts shoved on my face. Then when I get to my car, there's already flyers stuck to my windshield and door knob. Then as I'm driving to work, there's some roads closed off because of crusades. Then when I'm at work, some preachers decide I can't hear again by blaring their preachings through my consultation room window.
How many atheists do you see preaching or talking on TV, or radio? Una go even kill am sef
All of this in a country that has been constantly going down the drain for years, with no intervention from their gods.
So please, who is forcing who to accept his religion, down the throat?