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blazepascal:
stop sounding like an atheist

Whats wrong in being an atheist

Jahlivesforever:
Testimony of those who saw him.

You believe that the earth moves round the sun. Have you seen it?

But you believe the testimony of Galileo because he saw.

Besides, just seek personally for your self

A lot of experiments have proved earth rotation(reason why we have day and night) and revolution(reconstructions why we have seasons).
Galileo's experiment is reproducible anywhere in the world, and anytime.
The story of Jesus cannot be reproduced outside the Bible.
If a remarkable event happens today like an eclipse. Do you think only one newspaper would carry it? USE YOUR BRAIN

Jahlivesforever:
Forget what pastors preach.

To investigate any thing , crimes, scientific theories, Christ resurrection, investigate it with open heart.

Just be neutral and seek.

Can you point us to the evidence?

Inteltower:
dear turn on to Christ and not to this world and its problems
its not a fictional story
man has a problem and no doctor, govt, parents can solve only Christ

if we ignore the problem called sin we are living a delusional life

Who brought the concept of sin? Religion. If there's no religion, would there be sin?

Jahlivesforever:
The same way you know your land in the village.

People who saw your forefather cultivated it., And through their testimonies it was handed over to you.

Jesus was seen after his resurrection by his friends, and about 500 persons saw him.

They gave testimony that he is alive.

Those who doubted with open hearts like Thomas, and myself and some others today, saw him.


He proves his live till tomorrow, it doesn't require faith. It requires sincere seeking with open heart.


Now when he rose, a lot of people were giving testimony of it that emperor Thoephilus contracted a journalist called Luke to investigate the story or face death penalty if he tries to decieve the government.

Luke 1:3-4
[3]It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,
[4]That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.

Which books aside from the Bible gave credence to the existence of Jesus? Or his divinity?

omojeesu:
*Evidence that demands a verdict*:

1. *The OT predicted* His incarnation, birth, life & ministry, *arrest, mockings, torture, execution, resurrection & ascension*. They are *many, over 300* of them. However, the *source* of them is *Genesis 3:15* - And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; *it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel*.

2. *Jesus predicted His own death & resurrection*

Mark
10:32 And they were in the way *going up to Jerusalem*; and Jesus went before them: and they were amazed; and as they followed, they were afraid. And he took again the twelve, and *began to tell them what things should happen unto him*,

10:33 Saying, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and _the Son of man_ *shall be delivered* unto the chief priests, and unto the scribes; and *they shall condemn him to death*, and *shall deliver him to the Gentiles*:

10:34 And *they shall mock him*, and shall *scourge him*, and shall *spit upon him*, and shall *kill him*: and *the third day he shall rise again*.

3. *Fulfilments*

a) When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, *he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost* - John 19:30

b) Mark
16:5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted. 16:6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: *Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here*: behold the place where they laid him.

16:7 But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that *he goeth before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said unto you*.

c) Mark
16:9 Now *when Jesus was risen* early the first day of the week, *he appeared first to Mary Magdalene*, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

16:12 *After that* he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.

16:14 *Afterward* he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and *upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen*.

d) *The testimony of Apostle Paul*

1 Corinthians
15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that *Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures*;

15:4 And that he was *buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures*:

15:5 And that he was *seen* of Cephas, then of the twelve:

15:6 *After that*, he was *seen of above five hundred brethren at once*; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.

15:7 *After that*, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.

15:8 And *last of all he was seen of me also*, as of one born out of due time.

e) *Revelation Declaration by Jesus*

Revelation
1:12 And *I turned to see the voice that spake with me*. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;

1:13 And *in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man*, *clothed* with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a *golden girdle*.

1:14 His *head and his hairs* were white like wool, as white as snow; and his *eyes* were as a flame of fire;

1:15 And his *feet* like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his *voice* as the sound of many waters.

1:16 And he had in his right *hand* seven stars: and out of his *mouth* went a sharp twoedged sword: and his *countenance* was as the sun shineth in his strength.

1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, *Fear not; I am the first and the last*:

1:18 I am *he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore*, Amen; and *have the keys of hell and of death*.

4. *The Call! The Invitation*

Jesus said unto her, *I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live*: - John 11:25

5. Finally, *have you received Jesus into your life? If you have not, please do so today! He loves you! I do too!*

Fairy tales

Sergio101:



Glory to Almighty God.

There's a great joy in being with Christ.

Nairalanders........2021, i was to the point of becoming an atheist. What's the reason......I kept using logic in everything termed spiritual.

Kept questioning many things about existence of God, relating it to science and arriving at 0 after everything.

It brought many calamities to me. Happiness varnished.

But today.......I give Glory to God

Please praise and worship Lord God with your whole heart and avoid linking it with logic.

Just believe. Happiness varnishes when you try to figure out some things beyond you

Good for you. I'm an atheist and never been happier. I guess atheism aint for everyone

siofra:
How do we know he resurrected?

No. Question is how do we know he actually existed

MaxInDHouse:
Amalekites dealt treasonously with Israelites so they deserve to die!

Can I see the bible verse where they did that?

oteneaaron:
Hey bro, here are some sources you can look into that support most of the info the OP has been sharing.

1. For more information about the true age of the Syphinx and an indepth analysis of the ancient temple of Luxor, kindly read this book by famed egyptologist John Anthony West titled - Serpent In The Sky - The high wisdom of ancient Egypt.


2. To learn more about the Sumerian and Mesopotamian Lore, kindly read this book by George Smith titled - The Chaldean Account of Genesis.


3. To learn more about what are called Out Out Place artifacts or OOP arts, read this book by Micheal Cremo and Richard L. Thompson titled - Forbidden Archeology - The Hidden History of the Human Race.

4. To learn more about the Dogon in Mali and their accurate information about the Sirius star system, read this book by Richard K. G. Temple titled - The Sirius Mystery

I have more books to recommend, but I guess you can start with the ones I mentioned above.

Cheers!

Listen. I'm not disputing all of what the OP is saying. I even know more of those scientific aberrations than him. My point is that they attacked me for copying and pasting without dropping my source, when in fact that is what the OP does.

Ourtruth247:
This is just a warm up to my arguments. I am just scratching the surface. There is still more to share.

Oga copy and paste, where are your sources

EYESofHORUS:
Your attack on him only made you sound intelligent. He was able to proof you are intelligent by 0.01 with that your copy and paste text. You posted that and made it look like your own words. If you want to tackle people, then do it wisely and hounorably.

Same man didnt say he wrote all what he posted by himself neither did he say he copied it. He already told us he will notify us when he is done posting all his RESEARCH work.

I advise you to read, assimilate and learn. Then make your contribution. If you have different view from what he posted, then table yours without trying to discredit his research work. To think you threw you first jab by saying "We are not all an idiot" gave a very negative aura to the scene.

So bros calm down and lets have a good session on this topic. Savvy?

You have even made yourself more stupid. I didn't claim to write all the stuff myself. Did he in any of his posts drop his sources? No! He pretended they were his materials. He has made about 5 voluminous posts and not one source was quoted. So why castigate me? Are you not seeing you are all idiots and hypocrites. And not just that, cretards. You ignored the message and attacked the messenger. Go and buy sense, you wont

MaxInDHouse:
When the president of a country discover that his enemies have poisoned the minds of others against him surely his enemies have increased but then how does he treats the gullible ones who joined his enemies?
Well he will arrange for public awareness and many will have the opportunity to voice out the grudges they're holding due to misinformation. But until the case is settled they remain his enemies!

Good. Does this president go about slaughtering his perceived enemies?

MaxInDHouse:
When talking about reasonableness i often laugh at the way most people use their brains!

The president of America lives in America and for sure he knows those who are his enemies right there in his own country but does that mean he will always kill them?
Well experience shows that it's only when they take actions to sabotage his government and cause his peaceful and obedient subjects harm that he will swing into action.
That's when an observer could sense that this are his enemies.
I wonder how this is difficult for normal humans to grasp but i can understand after all atheists doesn't want to hear anything having to do with a supreme being!

You haven't answered my question about the Amalekites?

MaxInDHouse:
Did i tell you God didn't want babies to exist?

… yet he deemed them his enemies, and is intent on murdering all of them(according to you)

MaxInDHouse:
Fanatics are people that finds it really hard to look away from what others believe.
So you guys are the real fanatics here!

Fanatic is a person filled with excessive and single-minded zeal, especially for an extreme religious or political cause.
Its only you that have such zeal, not i

MaxInDHouse:
The virus is just an illustration so just as a king will never release a virus to kill his subjects the true God never release death to strike Adam and Eve rather He warned them of the consequences!

Really?
Who created Satan? Yahweh!
Did he know Satan was gonna be a great deceiver? Yes!
Who gave Satan his omnipotent, omniscient etc powers? Yahweh!
Who created Eden and the tree of knowledge and planted it right in the middle of the garden(not even at the outskirts where it would be out of sight of Adam and Eve) and made it have luscious fruits? Yahweh!
Do you now understand your all loving god wanted Adam fvcked from the get-go?
Here is an analogy. You(yahweh) sent your son(Adam) to school(garden of eden) and paid a bully(Satan) to distract and beat the child, so he'll fail in school? I used the word 'paid' because he Satan is an upgraded being, having those powers handed to him by Yahweh. Whats his target? A puny Adam, a regular mortal with no powers whatsoever

MaxInDHouse:
His plans hasn't reached their turn so they're free to continue existing until the time comes when His patience runs out.
So until then whether you are ready to do His will or not you can continue existing!

Can you explain the bolded, please

MaxInDHouse:
The people of Jericho and Amalek directly challenged His authority after hearing about His mightiness. Note that Ninevites repented simply because they heard not Jehovah but a messenger from Him. Do you think the people of Jericho and Amalek will listen or kill His messenger? Remember that the Amalekites and Jericho wanted to harm His people!

Ummm.
Can you showed me the Bible verses Amalekites, and Jerichoans challenged Yahweh. And please, the Nineveans repented after Jonah preached. Thank You

MaxInDHouse:
A ruler only kills when rebellion is getting out of hand so Jehovah won't just kill until His plans are disrupted by the rebellious.

Ummmm… I don't recall the Amalekites or Canaanites revolting or rebelling against Yahweh, before the Israelites showed up and slaughtered them all

Dindondin:
When evaluating people's life. When that person turn a new leaf with pure evidence, focus only on the bad. Leave the good.
No be that thing wey Jesus see and told someone to go n sin no more?
No be your types Jesus dey describe saying he who has not sinned should be the first to throw the stone? Read John 8 vs 7.
No be same Christianity talk say for all have sinned and has come short of the glory of God? Read Romans 3 vs 23-24.
Focus on the goodness of modern Christianity.
Christianity allows restitution. If those you claimed to torture and killed for witchcraft meet the msg of restitution and they accept it, they ll come out to apologize, accept any punishment for it. I don't know if any religion do that without due respect to all religions in the world.
So bros, it's logical to tow the part of Christianity.

True Christians don't throw away their roots. In every religion, culture or belief, there's tendency for fanaticism. Those you mentioned that are desecrating African deity did so with genuine or non-genuine purpose. The only part that Christianity may frown against is the part that's not morally good. For example, deity that requires human sacrifice. Don't blame the whites for coming to abolish such.

Actually restitution is a tenet for many religions, not just christianity. Christianity borrowed its Holy book and tenets from others

chieveboy:
Yup! It's simpler than you think.

1:Tilt the G-string to the side.

2: Use a funnel to part the faecal matter idling around...wait, this is not necessary because I'm sure there would be a clear line of sight...

3: Use your selfie camera and hold it in place

4: Send me TeamsViewer ID.


Cheers!

Ok. Keep your skirt and panties on

Dtruthspeaker:
Because
Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn: and I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.

Isreal is first, in everything and when God comes to judge, they shall be the first.

Which Israel? This Israel I'm seeing now?

Dtruthspeaker:
Like the electricity, gas cylinder, knives, generator, petrol, snyper, swimming pool, dogs and even snakes you intentionally put in your house and that surely electricity will shock your kids, knives will cut them, fire will burn them, water will drown them, dogs will bite them, snakes will bite them, stopped you from putting them in your house.

And everyone blames the kid, for we all inherently know that the snake will only bite when they do something wrong.

Are you just trolling, or being honest? I don't imagine you keeping a straight face while typing this crap

Techobeys:
I do have palpable data but I do not think it’s wise to give it to you. If you have something very precious, you have to make sure the person who you want to give it to will cherish it and build on it. So dear friend, pardon me if I look away from you. Do have a wonderful day. Like I said, subscribe to my channel, perhaps you get lucky and catch me teaching about it.

Ok. Good day then. Hang on to your 'data'

thorpido:
Accord to you.

Not just according to me, but your own Bible. The old hebrew connotation of that word still means evil

triplechoice:
Scientific 'secrets' or technological 'secrets' exist as insider information ( further details) or inventions not revealed to outsiders until the right time or may not be revealed at all.It's not only in the sciences that will find this.

Every other field of human endeavour has 'something' which is not openly discussed or exposed publicly, and there are reasons for this.


1. To maintain the advantage which it gives to those who are privy to It.

Secret police or spies of some technological advanced countries are usually the first to use certain inventions to aid their espionage work before it's sold or exposed to the public.

2. To withhold certain information that would have caused the public to react in a particular manner that may not favour those pursuing an agenda.

3. For the personal protection of those using such secrets' in their businesses or whatever else they use it for.


4. To prevent misuse of the information or invention by the inexperienced public who may hurt themselves with it.



These are some of the reasons.

However, secrets in the sciences don't always stay hidden for long, a scientist somewhere would get to reveal it somehow.

But elsewhere, they may stay hidden and never openly discussed, so that even when you get to hear of it through other channels, you doubt if such a thing actually exist or is true.

So what has a 'juju mirror' gotta do with a scientific secret

MaxInDHouse:
All have sinned and fallen short of God's glory {Romans 3:23} so right from a fetus in it's mother's womb the baby is God's enemy {Psalms 51:5} the reason Jesus told his disciples to become babies is the way children behaves:
They are willing to learn humbly.
They're not separated by racism.
They don't think of class.
They humbly follow orders even from their mates who is wiser.

These attributes Jesus wants his disciples to imitate from little children.

There are also traits Jesus condemned about little children:
They don't know anything more than food and drinks so whether there is merriment or mourning children plays as long as they finds their mates! Luke 7:31-32

So learn to distinguish between the attributes of babies that Jesus commends and that which he condemned!

What the Bleep has Luke 7:31-32 got to do with your post?

LordReed:
Luckily there are. They are called PIMO - Physically In Mentally Out. PIMOs know its bullshit but can't leave for some reason or the other so keep identifying as JW.

Well, they could have just opted out. Or maybe they are enjoying something like physical security, business connections, financial gains

Dindondin:
Ok. I v heard you. A religion doing right and correcting things that aren't proper that were done in the past isn't going to go backwards but forward always. I know people like you ll come and yurn this to religious arguments but I m here to set records straight.
Yeah Constantine did some stuffs that aren't proper. Muhammad did worst. Islam spread faster by violence. Wetin you see talk to that one?
It's that questionable character of Muhammad that made many to quit Islam.
You said I boasted. How?
Jealousy don dey affect you seriously and terribly.

1. Christianity did some good and bad stuff. You just eulogized the good and ignored the bad. What about torturing and killing of people in the name of witchcraft ?
2. I'm not here to talk about Islam. They are equally bad.
3. You're asking how you boasted? Even though you're still boasting more. Read your first post about Christianity being populous and thus being the right religion

Ourtruth247:
This is why arguing with certain people can be really annoying. People like this guy above don't know anything about the topic that they are arguing about. Some of them probably just encountered the topic for the first time, and yet they are quick to call me ignorant.

Take a look at the bolded in the quoted post. This guy just went online and copied and pasted his reply without even changing anything. And he has the guts to tell me to "do my work well", something I have been researching for many years. It's really funny.

Attached is a screenshot of the post he copied and pasted his reply verbatim from.

Bro, can you tell me everything you posted here was typed by you and none copied?
Stop grasping at straws and face the facts. Copying stuff doesn't make them false

Ourtruth247:
I'll only reply you this once and then continue posting because you seem intent on derailing the thread.

For someone quick to call me ignorant, you don't seem knowledgeable yourself. Quite an irony.

All those "changes" you mentioned are nothing compared to the drastic overnight changes in morphology that science tells us happened through natural evolution in just 300,000 years.

I don't want to keep repeating myself. Please reread my post. You can't compare lighter skin color and small change in height with all the simultaneous transformations I listed.

The funny thing is that actual knowledgeable geneticists won't doubt this. When you point this out to a geneticist they will say that there has to have been missing links, i.e fossils of other species that haven't been found that would show the natural progression of these features. Problem is we haven't found even one of those fossils.

So why do you think the scientists lied? How did you come up with your theory?