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Dindondin:
That tolerance is the key. Hate, lack of empathy, terrorism are associated with humanity not just religion. But if you have a religion than has billions of population, are almost in control of the world and hold enough tolerance to others, you should respect them. The works of the missionaries of the early late 18th centuries and 1900s birthed industrial revolution, modern medicine, abolition of slave trade etc.
You that I m quoting, ordinary malaria fit 🦟 don kpain your ancestors if not for quinine discovered by missionaries. You for nor exist!

1. Yes, christianity is the most populous religion but its declining fast. Atheism and then Islam is gaining more ground. So beware, in the next 50 years this boast of yours would be a lie, which takes me to my next point.
2. Being populous doesn't make it better. You're committing a fallacy of Appeal to Popularity. Which is wrong
3. Also, are you aware there was a time christianity wasnt a religion in the world. Then there was a time it was a less popular religion before Emperor Constantine decided to spread it by spilling the blood of unbelievers. So would you have made this your statement about being right cos you are more in numbers? No.
4. No, it wasn't missionaries that did researches to further medicine and science. And what's more, it wasnt Missionaries that discovered quinine or the cinchona tree. It was the Quechua Indians

MaxInDHouse:
Ears you have but you can't hear, eyes you have but you can't see.
If JWs are preaching zealously and teaching industriously in all our neighbourhood how to settle the grudge people have against the true God then your brains aren't working fine!

Yeah, preaching to us that babies(which they once were) are yahweh's enemies.
By the way Max, are these verses in your Bible…

Mark 9:36
Anyone who welcomes a little child like this on my behalf welcomes me, and anyone who welcomes me welcomes not only me but also my Father who sent me."


Psalms 139:13-16
13 For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb.
14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well.

Matthew 18:9-10
9 And if your eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.
10 “See that you do not despise one of these babies. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven


Mark 10:15-16
15 Truly I tell you, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.”
16 And he took the children in his arms, placed his hands on them and blessed them


Psalms 127:3-5
3 Children are a heritage from the LORD, offspring a reward from him

Is that how Yahweh treats his sworn enemies? By cuddling them and telling you to be like them?

Fireoflife:
For me that's a good thing

Cool. You can be a scriptwriter with your skills. Why waste it?

MaxInDHouse:
Many babies are born deaf and dumb, blind, cripple, sickle cell, abnormal, i have seen a child born without nose only for this baby to die few minutes after it's birth and many are still dying.

So why did God allowed all these to happen to innocent babies if they're not His enemies?

This is what Abraham the father of all those having faith said about the one and only true God:

"It is unthinkable that you would act in this manner by putting the righteous man to death with the wicked one so that the outcome for the righteous man and the wicked is the same! It is unthinkable of you. Will the Judge of all the earth not do what is right?” Genesis 18:25

So considering what has happened to millions of babies in history and what Abraham said are babies God's friends or enemies? Psalms 51:5

Abeg warn this OP make he no dey tamper with JWs o because i will prove to him that all his friends and himself knew nothing about the true God!

Being yahweh's enemy as a baby, and a Muslim one at that, why weren't you destroyed? You haven't answered this?

MaxInDHouse:
Just quote a verse in the New Testament where a faithful servant of God pray for child/ children that will ends this unwarranted argument!

That's not the point here, stop grasping as straws. If there's no babies, you won't exist

oteneaaron:
Wow.

You are now treading paths of pure fanaticism.

This sounds like something a boko haram member would say.

Show me a non fanatic JW and I'll show you a flying whale

MaxInDHouse:
I've told all atheists on this forum that there is a difference between intelligence and wisdom.

An atheist could be intelligent but wisdom only belongs to true believers.

So if any atheist feel like challenging the idea of God destroying babies let him give a better opinion in this scenario:

You are a King and you want your kingdom to be peaceful but a certain region has been infected with a virus that's killing them you have the power to cure them but they need to prevent doing things that will give the virus power.
So you sent them a letter through messengers some have read your letter with keen interest and acting on the instructions but many ignored your letter and continued infecting others including those who are following the preventive measures.

Please tell me what you will do to save those acting on the safety instructions if not to exterminate all those infected but refused to act on preventive measures!

Did it occur to you that it was the king that released the virus itself, knowing initially that some of his subject would succumb to it, but he didn't care.
What should we do to that king? Worship him more?

MaxInDHouse:
All newly born babies are God's enemies but they must be killed only when their parents who supposed to teach them God's word don't want to do so and at the same time disturbing those sent to teach these babies!

So God sends them back to their default mode which is DUST! Ecclesiastes 3:20

As descendants of Adam humans in general are sentenced to death {Romans 5:12; 6:23} this includes the fetus in the womb, babies, toddlers, teenagers, youths and older ones are all sinners in line for destruction!

But due to His mercies God began planning to save obedient ones through His program so if anyone doesn't know His plans God will send His messengers to teach them but when they're not ready for this that won't stop Him from going on with His plans so they must be given what they really deserve as Adam's descendants: DEATH!

I wonder why those claiming believers aren't here to speak up for their God, i thought they want to preach and teach just like those trained by the group the man OP quoted is a member!

So why didn't Yahweh murder you as a murderously devilish Muslim baby, whose parents didn't care about JWs, and probably drove them away when they came preaching?

MaxInDHouse:
You're getting things wrong again!

Jehovah doesn't kill His enemies until there is no other option. Noah's contemporaries, the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah, Jericho and Amalek were destroyed not because they are Jehovah's enemies but because that's the last option as Jehovah was prepared begin His work to restore sanity and these people were posing a threat.

So Jehovah doesn't just go about killing His enemies it's when there's no other way out!

Uhhhm
What happened to converting the people of Amalek and Jericho? Like he did with Nineveh?

MaxInDHouse:
It's obvious churchgoers aren't coming to this thread after my touch so let me answer you!

Babies are God's enemies but God doesn't kill His enemies when they're posing no threat to pure worship or His will in fact they still have a hope and that is what they will grow up to become after they've developed their own line of thought and opinion about life in general.

I was born, bread and raised by Muslim parents who lives among other religionists in a peaceful neighbourhood where JWs are allowed to preach and teach. Note that the JWs are God's representatives in every human society so their freedom to continue doing the will of their God largely depends on what God will do to those living in that place.

So as a baby JEHOVAH has no business with me not until i grew up and began thinking about Him and His ways. I could remember vividly the day i prayed to God (without mentioning any so called divine name) asking Him to show me His worshipers due to all the contradictions in religion. But i was shocked when this people with bags and umbrellas kept coming now and then as if they're the ones i'm seeking. At first i drove them away like scavengers but they won't stop coming that's why i decided to ask them the one and only question bothering my mind.

Why did God create so many religions yet they have contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines?

I guess that was the day i began studying with JWs because they answered my question satisfactorily.

So my friend Jehovah didn't kill me because my parents never posed a threat nor disturb His Witnesses doing His will!

Yahweh had no business with a Muslim baby yet he killed many ignorant babies? Really?

Dindondin:
I m a Christian cos I see the religion as having more freedom for life, empathy, love and meekness. The reforms came during the era if Jesus unlike the old testament times.
So I m a Christian cos the religion is straight forward in what's good and what's bad.
Gaskiya!

I would v converted to Christianity if I was born in a Muslim home.
I studied the tenets of Islam but found what I ll call personal defects.

Nice and beautiful lies. Though christianity is marginally more tolerant than islam, it doesn't mean that it does not have the problems associated with religion. There's still hate, lack of empathy, terrorism etc

yrhuhfy113:
maybe you never went to university away from home or traveled to live in another state in search of work.... BUT, PARENTS DO NOT DECIDE ANYTHING, they only guide,

PART OF GROWING UP is UNLEARNING and RELEARNING.

Wasn't born into Christian home, infact as a scholar became an atheist one time, but one day I met Jesus face to face and my life changed. So yeah, nothing to do with family background, infact muslims who convert become very sound and serious christians.

get your facts right sir

Whoa, you met Jesus face to face? Whoa! I thought your buybull said no one can see god? And how did Jesus look? Cute blond tall white man, right?

Ourtruth247:
Why Zana's story is important

Zana's story is important because it reveals something interesting: Zana and others like her are the direct decsendants of our so called pre-human ancestors. This is how we should look like if our natural evolution wasn't artificially accelerated.

Notice her features. She still has the thick hair covering her skin. She still has the potruded brow ridge, the long arms, lack of mechanism and morphology for speech, smaller brain, "superhuman" strength, small pre-fontal cortex and all the other morphological features our primate ancestors had over 2 million years ago.

Obviously you are not a geneticist or biologist. Your ignorance glows.
If that was how we were supposed to look like, how come her children didn’t carry her genes? Not even her height, hair etc were carried as a recessive gene.
Listen, Zana's case is a case of genetic mutation. Our ancestors had tails but due to evolution, we lost ours, and what we have is a vestigial tail. You can Google coccyx, if you wanna learn. Now, some babies still grow full fledged tails which are surgically excised.
Please do your research properly. We aren't all ignorant here

Ourtruth247:
Understanding how science and academia works

Science as we know it today is an institution and one that is regulated by certain interests and some of these interests have a goal and sometimes this goal is to maintain the status quo and suppress dissension.

You might disagree with this, but I've read statements written by a lot of scholars especially in the field of anthropology and archeology who have lost their jobs because they stepped outside the contemporary historical paradigm and challenged it, in spite of warnings not to.

Scientific papers are usually peer reviewed and research is usually funded. If your research isn't adjudged to be worth funding it won't be funded. Most scientists are just people like you and I who have families and just want to survive and provide for their loved ones, so they'd see no point putting their careers at risk to validate some fringe claim that could demolish the historical paradigm that certain high level interests want to maintain.

We live in a world were claims that have been discredited as false were later on confessed to be true by the same institutions that forcibly rejected them as conspiratorial and hoaxes. Don't just gobble up what mainstream science tells you about controversial topics like this. Always try to do your own research.

True to an extent, but it always gets found out

Ourtruth247:
I will repeat this again because it is a very important argument.

For over 300,000 years, humans have remained relatively the same. Not even a single anatomical alteration. Our skulls and bones are still as they were 300,000 years ago.

Yet the controllers of our world want us to believe that within almost the same period of time, prehuman primates evolved a protruded forehead, a larger prefrontal cortex, a depression of the brow ridges that have been present for over 2.3 million years, the loss of eye features that aid nocturnal sight, loss of thick body hair, the evolution of speech and the cognitive instinct for speech, a larger brain, shortening of the arm length, a change in the configuration of the throat, the change in jaw shape, transformation of the nasal structure, the complete change of bone size and density among other changes.

If there has ever been a conspiracy to keep people in the dark about the truth, then this is one of the most evident.

Bro, this your research is skewed.
Humans have undergone several changes in the 300k years you talked about.
We are now generally shorter, lighter and smaller boned than our ancestors were 100,000 years ago. The decrease has been gradual but has been most noticeable in the last 10,000 years. However, there has been some slight reversal to this trend in the last few centuries as the average height has started to increase.
The factors that affect body size are complex. They involve interactions between genetics, environment and lifestyle practices such as diet and technology.
So do your work well. We aint all idiots

LordReed:
LMAO @ gang-banging toddler. I am just imagining a baby wearing blue and crip walking. Bwahahahahaha!

In the mind of DTruthSpeaker and MaxinDhouse, they are Bloods, and would gladly waste any Crippin' babies

Roll up, wait a minute
Let me put some kush up in it
Roll up, wait a minute
Let me put some kush up in it
Roll up, wait a minute
Let me put some kush up in it
Roll up, wait a minute
Let me put some kush up in it

LordReed:
Sometimes fiction authors are so vivid in their writings they produce people like Fireoflife.

… or Sieveboy, the Eckist. Their imaginations are more colorful than rainbows

MaxInDHouse:
Dude instead of quoting me to spew nonsense why not address the post like a Bible scholar and talk about the quotations backing my post?

If babies are God's friends then why did He destroy millions during the time of Noah?
What did babies in Sodom and Gomorrah do?
What about the babies in Jericho and Amalek?

That's what you need to explain instead of the stupid argument you want to put up without a scriptural backing!

… and yet Jesus advised his followers to be like children, didn't he? Are you saying Jesus wanted his people be like his enemies? Who, Max?

Janosky:

Watch the unedited video from the beginning to the end, it's available in JWs original website, you will get the proper perspective of the Speaker & understand the point he made.

Every man is born a sinner from your mother's womb.
Psalms 51:5, therefore you are an enemy of God.
Until you cultivate faith like Abraham and become Jehovah's friend James 2:20-24, James 4:4.


Oteneaaron is an Idol Worshipping cultist forming Atheism.

So wouldn't it be nice for Yahweh to have killed lil sinful you when you were a baby?

Janosky:
James 4:4

"You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God"

Oga, James 4:4, are you a friend of God?
Are your kids you raised as Atheists agree they are friends of God?

Atheists wedded to Mumu tantrums.

Were babies given the chance to change? Besides you lot collect funds from sinners and still turn around to castigate them. Isn't your hypocrisy mind boggling?

Janosky:
You love to DECEIVE yourself.

The deluge of Noah's day saved how many children of evildoers?

This point is completely irrelevant. The point we are making is the thought that babies are Yahweh enemies, and should be killed

Kez11:
CC: jaephoenix

Bro, what more can I say?

oteneaaron:
An interesting POV.

Personally, I cringe at the thought that babies are enemies of "God"

If you find nothing wrong with it, I'd completely understand.

This is DTruthSpeaker, remember?
He doesn't have a problem murdering adult non-christians in cold blood. What do you think he'd do to unbelieving, devilish and crying babies?

MaxInDHouse:
When JWs taught you and you left the group it seems you now know better than those in the organization shey?
Ọmọ search and see anyone who claims he is a Christian that will come and refute my first post on this thread.


I have input all the needed quotations so that any so called believer can't say the man you're talking about is wrong.
Why do you think Jehovah never cared about millions of babies destroyed in Noah's days?
What about babies destroyed in Sodom and Gomorrah?
Do you remember Jericho?
What about Amalek?

Ọmọ all newly born babies are ENEMIES of the true God not until their parents inculcate in their minds the love of God through teaching {Deuteronomy 6:6-7} that's why Jehovah so much cherish the Israelites because this people have His laws and they have been told to teach their children in order for their little ones to become God's friends!

So Max can you answer why Yahweh didn’t kill you when you were a gang-banging toddler rebelling against his word? (At least to save us some stress on Nairaland)

MaxInDHouse:
Guy right from the time Christ ushered in the New covenant faithful servants of God no longer pray to have babies because they know better than those who did in the past.

You only need to ask anyone on this forum to quote a place in the Christian Greek Scriptures (New Testament) where any faithful servant of God pray for babies!

The man the OP is quoting is a BORN AGAIN Christian, this people don't believe in having children so they don't pray for babies rather they take the lead in helping many to gain the accurate knowledge of God.

Instead of arguing blindly why not ask any so called Christian on this forum to quote a verse in the New Testament where a believer pray for a child!

What does this verse mean?

Genesis 1:28
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

LordReed:
This kind of reasoning is why I am not surprised that JW are over represented in certain mental illnesses. One cannot hold these kinds of trauma inducing beliefs and not be negatively affected.

Max and Dtruth are too far gone in this rabbit hole, they'll need serial ElectroConvulsive therapies to attempt to save them

Kobojunkie:
Well, if you had in fact spent time reading the book for yourself, which I continue to urge you to do, you would understand even these most basic of the belief.

Dude can you answer the question?

thorpido:
The original Hebrew word translated as 'evil' more appropriately means adversity,punishments,trials etc.
You need to read in context to understand.

That's a lie

Techobeys:
Of course I could, but I have to know if you want to learn what I know or you just want to waste my time. I really don’t have much of that, and I will really appreciate that whoever asks me to explain a particular subject is willing to do a more comprehensive study on whatever I give them. I have stopped speaking on Nairaland bc it’s more of the desire argue on here than it’s the need desire to learn.

I am open to learning if you have palpable data, not hearsays

Dtruthspeaker:
There are sticks, rocks and iron in the house also and the children could have used any of them to bash the snake in the end.

And you tactfully ignored the fact that all this dangers of snakes would have been evaded if the dad hadn't intentionally brought snakes into his house knowing kids are around, and that surely the snakes would bite some of the kids.
So you still blame the kids?

Dtruthspeaker:
We all blame the idiot because we all know that you can not force a person to do what he did not already want to do, so you are talking absolute nonsense.

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