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Dtruthspeaker:
Everyone knows that there is only One God. The One Who chose Abraham, Issac and Jacob to Himself. And you know this but because you are setting yourself up for someone to call you fool is why you asked this stupid question.

Lawag3

TenQ:
If you check well, you are the one who dodge answering questions!

1. Show me just one evidence each of these is your deities are known in Churches as Yahweh or forever keep your mouth shut!
I said:
I guess you don't know that in the Church, we use the term Eledumare, Chineke and Allah to refer to "God" depending on the culture still referring to the same being!?

2. You have been well informed about this. You need physical evidence right?

First, prove to me that: Everything that exist must have physical evidence?


You have stylishly AVOIDED all the questions I asked you. I represent them here

1. Does it make sense to you that the material and it's laws are NOT eternal. Doesn't common sense tell you that in the material world, every event has a cause?
Just purely logically, an Immaterial Uncaused First-Cause of Everything must Exist!


If you disagree with my submission, bring your best argument to the contrary?

2. Entropy has nothing to do with Life but Time. Everything tends towards a state of disorderliness and randomness. Energy become dispersed and temperature gradient become zero.

a. Does this mean that the universe will have an end?
b. Do you agree that If we project back into the past, entropy must be minimum at a point?

3. I asked:
Do you think the laws of physics applies before the big bang? The word "singularity" should tell you that mathematics and computation break down at that point!

How can the laws of Physics exist before the big bang?
a. Did matter, time and space exist before the big bang?
b. How many laws of physics do you know that exist without time, space and matter?

4. I asked:
Can the laws of Physics and Chemistry exist without matter?
And you are correct.
The implication:
i. Before the big bang, matter didn't exist.
ii. Therefore before the big bang the laws of physics and chemistry didn't exist
iii. It means that the universe was brought into being by a FORCE different from the laws of Physics and Chemistry
iv. It would be stupidity to speak about Creation and Existence of Matter using ONLY the Laws of Physics and Chemistry.
v. Christians have always described this Prime Mover (as outside the Laws Of Physics and Chemistry) as the Self Existing Uncaused First-Cause of Everything .

If not, bring your best argument to the contrary?

Are you scared of the implications of the logical conclusion?
I don't need the bible or any spiritual language to prove the existence of God to you Bro!

1. You said this
I called the Creator by His Title as the Uncaused First-Cause of Everything; He is my God. People call Him different names depending on their language and tribe
And also said this
we use the term Eledumare, Chineke and Allah to refer to "God" depending on the culture

Now I showed you evidence the names different people, cultures and tribes call their gods , and you're here jawing away by saying this
Show me just one evidence each of these is your deities are known in Churches as Yahweh or forever keep your mouth shut

You see how you're turning slippery when being found out
You also ignored where I said Muslim, pagan and Christian gods are accepted to be different by their worshippers(except you)

2. Logic does not support a uncaused first cause. Hope you know the fallacy called Special pleading?
Just in case you're ignorant of it, here it is…
Special pleading is an informal fallacy wherein one cites something as an exception to a general or universal principle, without justifying the special exception. It is the application of a double standard.

3. Its not everything that exists that have physical properties but they have other properties which can be measured

4. Las las, leave science alone. You don't know how it works

Dtruthspeaker:
They are just twisting the Truth that it is God Who rejected them and threw them out, just like when a company fires an employee or a babe finally rejects a guy/guy rejects a babe.

And they know that as God has rejected them, it is forever that is why they are so inconsolably pained.

And exactly like sacked workers or rejected bitch/guy, they start hating company/girl/guy and start defaming them.

So they are just angry, no not angry but very very angry because He cast them out and marked them for destruction.

And even before their final destruction, they suffer a lot throughout their whole lives. That is what makes them even mad for their suffering is like they are already in hellfire.

But they real eyes that they are only in hell, they have not yet entered the Fire part.

Lawag3

Dtruthspeaker:
No be you 👿 go ask dis kain stupid question, make another fool wey we no know ask.

If you know the answer to the question , you can answer. If you don't, then bugger off

Dtruthspeaker:
No be you 👿 go ask dis kain stupid question, make another fool wey we no know ask.

Lawag3

Dtruthspeaker:
The fool does not real eyes that the balloon of denial always bursts and throws them straight into the fire. They are just stupidly following those devils who know that they are finished.

Lawag3

Dtruthspeaker:
Your foolishness is self inflicted so I blame you. 😽

Lawag3

Dtruthspeaker:
You are Satan incarnate 👿 so of course you must lie.

Lawag3

Dtruthspeaker:
Certainly, the fools wish it.

Lawag3

FxMasterz:
No you never did. I was the one who proved you wrong so many ways. Go back and read.

Lol. Where? The Moses case, you lost. Same as the flood. Each of the links you presented further buttressed the facts they didn't exist. In fact your last link clearly stated that the flood was a local event, but they wanted to sensationalize the news, and sucked you in to their ploy

LordReed:
We proved you wrong so many ways you are now going on emotional appeals. LoLz.

He left factual appeal and has finally landed where many christian lands when defeated: emotional appeals. Same tool my family always try to use when I show them glaring discrepancies in their religion. Its an amusing thing cos people that are otherwise intelligent would play this card and you wonder, "What has religion done to his brain?"

Michael548:
Op is saying God was not responsible for the calamity that befell Job.

Yahweh wasn't responsible? Did you read the part he gave Satan the permission? Or do you chrissies chronically suffer from Tunnel Vision?

TenQ:
You have manufactured names I don't know.
I guess you don't know that in the Church, we use the term Eledumare, Chineke and Allah to refer to "God" depending on the culture still refering to the same being!?
God is a TITLE my friend!



No sir. It's been answered.
Your Question:
Why do you demarcate your sky daddy from the laws of physics?

Whatever Initiated the Big Bang Created the Laws of Physics and Chemistry!
Your answer is embedded in the ANSWER to the question:
Can the laws of Physics and Chemistry exist without matter?



Does it make sense to you that the material and it's laws are NOT eternal. Doesn't common sense tell you that in the material world, every event has a cause?
Just purely logically, an Immaterial Uncaused First-Cause of Everything must Exist!

If not, bring your best argument to the contrary?




Entropy has nothing to do with Life but Time. Everything tends towards a state of disorderliness and randomness. Energy become dispersed and temperature gradient become zero.

1. Does this mean that the universe will have an end?
2. Do you agree that If we project back into the past, entropy must be minimum at a point?



I asked:
Do you think the laws of physics applies before the big bang? The word "singularity" should tell you that mathematics and computation break down at that point!

How can the laws of Physics exist before the big bang?
1. Did matter, time and space exist before the big bang?
2. How many laws of physics do you know that exist without time, space and matter?


I asked:
Can the laws of Physics and Chemistry exist without matter?

And you are correct.
The implication:
1. Before the big bang, matter didn't exist.
2. Therefore before the big bang the laws of physics and chemistry didn't exist
3. It means that the universe was brought into being by a FORCE different from the laws of Physics and Chemistry
4. It would be stupidity to speak about Creation and Existence of Matter using ONLY the Laws of Physics and Chemistry.
5. Christians have always described this Prime Mover (as outside the Laws Of Physics and Chemistry) as the Self Existing Uncaused First-Cause of Everything .

If not, bring your best argument to the contrary?

1. Thor, Viracocha, Huitzilopochtli are Aztec, Incan and Scandinavian gods. Since these folks know their gods by these names, and you claim different people and cultures know Yahweh by different names, that means they refer to Yahweh.
I know god is a title. But you claiming that that god is your Yahweh is very incorrect because Allah is a god for Muslims, and no Muslim or Christian(except, of course, you) believe they are the same. In fact, it's heresy in some Christian or Muslim quarters
2. You still haven't tendered any evidence that this your yahweh, in fact, exists. You're still conjecturing that he exist. Leave science out of this, you don't know how it works

phorget:
If mistake is not synonymous to regret/repent then I wonder anyone will ever regret his own creation.

Ask him that

Dtruthspeaker:
You are complaining because God in His goodness helped us kill devils like you so that the world would He made would remain good.

A fool like you does not appreciate that the evil that fills the earth does not affect Him at all but because of His love and pity for us, He stretched out His cutlass and cut down every weed for us. Then He gave us cutlasses and swords to cut down all evil things, as He left us.

But, people did not cut you Devils down, rather they have let you people live and grow and now you people have destroyed the world, and yet again you people are still disturbing God.

If I were God ehn, i won't answer you people until a thousand years or more is passed after the last man has died after all the goodness in this world, food, fish, air is finished as you people eat all the evils you like till you are too dead to be saved.

Lawag3

Dtruthspeaker:
It is True that God does not make mistakes however, your presentation is mistake filled and does not do the right to God.

First, all the things you said have no connection whatsoever with mistake for all you did was to show the stupid thinkings of a stupid living toy eg why am i tall, why am I short etc.

All these considerations are the stupidities that come out from fools. Prado cannot be complaining that it is tall and made to enter sand and mud or Ferrari saying it is short and cannot stroll through floods.

And none of these have any connection with your head topic, thus, your presentation falls!

Lawag3

Dtruthspeaker:
You are complaining because God in His goodness helped us kill devils like you so that the world would He made would remain good.

A fool like you does not appreciate that the evil that fills the earth does not affect Him at all but because of His love and pity for us, He stretched out His cutlass and cut down every weed for us. Then He gave us cutlasses and swords to cut down all evil things, as He left us.

But, people did not cut you Devils down, rather they have let you people live and grow and now you people have destroyed the world, and yet again you people are still disturbing God.

If I were God ehn, i won't answer you people until a thousand years or more is passed after the last man has died after all the goodness in this world, food, fish, air is finished as you people eat all the evils you like till you are too dead to be saved.

I'm really happy you're not in the US or UK where guns are easily acquired, else the atrocities you would have committed(and claim it was your Yahweh that endorsed it) would have been myriad. The only difference between you and Boko Haram or Al Qaeda is you don't have guns or explosives.
Good thing I know not all Christians are like you, I would have thought all Christians are terrorists

Dtruthspeaker:
Regret/Repent does not mean mistake. It only means a sadness, disappointment and a change of mind and not a misguided judgement or opinion.

When you change your mind about an action you carried out, wasn't it a mistake you did earlier?
By the way, how can an omniscient god change his mind?

Septagon:
If u are graduate and u believe this.tear ur certificate.its a waste.

As in serious waste of time, money, energy. His parents deserve a refund and an apology from each of his schools, from kindergarten to university

jonatoye:
Is your creation a mistake?

Stop deflecting and answer the question, sir

TenQ:
I didn't dodge ANY of your Questions. You were in fact the one who dodged my questions.

1. I called the Creator by His Title as the Uncaused First-Cause of Everything; He is my God. People call Him different names depending on their language and tribe.

2. If you had answered my questions, you would not have asked such a myopic question

3. It is your opinion and you are welcome to it. God is an Immaterial Being called Spirit who is the Uncaused First-Cause of Everything. This is the best description I can give to you.

Now, will you now answer my question?

1. Do you think the law of entropy allows matter to exist forever?
2. Do you think the laws of physics applies before the big bang?
3. Can the laws of Physics and Chemistry exist without matter?

My questions
1. Ok, from your declarations, I guess Eledumare, Chineke, Thor, Allah, Huitzilopochtli, Viracocha etc is your god. Nice. I'll keep that in mind going forward
2. You have been dodging this question. Answer it in its entirety
3. Good. Again, how did you arrive at these appellations and characters?

Now for your questions
1. Entropy increases as life continues. Entropy too has limitations
2. I don't know. I guess you don't
3. No

Lateefadewale:
True. I think he's also a troll. No one can be that stupid on purpose...

I have studied him. I think he's serious, as in seriously stupidly. He can't stop being daft. And the interesting thing is he thinks he's right

FxMasterz:
That's because you don't want to accept you're wrong. Neither have you done anything to prove me wrong as well.

What I know is that you guys have deliberately chosen perdition to yourselves. It's a pity that you would drag your innocent children into your errors. I'll leave you to your fate.

Ok bro. Thanks for your concern.

Techobeys:
Well if you say you know psychology, then you should know that certain perspective of psychology think violence is inborn and can be harnessed for social purposes.

And for insinuating that you’re gay , I’m sorry if you do not like it.

Its psychological theories. Everyone has an element of violence, and have a trigger threshold. But by and large, no one accepts violence

Isobug:
Sure..... Only fools say in their hearts, there is no God

Which god precisely

Kayouzka:
Perhaps they don't accept the Christian and Muslim version of God

But surely the subconscious mind don't lie and each of our subconscious mind knows that there's God just that, God is not superficial and judgemental the real God do not judge. Now, if we ask what is the ultimate being? I will say that it our awareness, without awareness there is no existence and the mind cannot comprehend this being because he is not a being, every concept of God be it Christianity, Islam, Hinduism etc, sorry to say, is idolation if not the idolation of objects or a thing it the idolation of the mind because the mind can't know God. (Check Buddhism the Godless religion and the difference from olodumare and orisha in IFA)
Then what is God? "I KNOW but if you ask me I do not know" same as you all.

thealleyesistheeyeofgod.

Just one question….
How often do you kush?

TenQ:
1. How do I know?
-Everything that is physical has an origin!
-Everything that is Physical has an end
-Physical things cannot create themselves.
2. The Uncaused First-Cause of Everything is He who created Everything and He is the one I call my God.

3. My God is NOT physical and hence doesn't have a beginning or an end. This is why He is called The Uncaused First-Cause of Everything aka God!



1. Do you think the law of entropy allows matter to exist forever?
2. Do you think the laws of physics applies before the big bang?

You dodged one question.
1.How do you know your favorite sky daddy was the actual creator? Remember there are thousands of creators
2.Why do you demarcate your sky daddy from the laws of physics
3. Since you cannot prove your sky daddy exists, can you explain his properties and how did you arrive at such?

FxMasterz:
Wrong!

Well, you've done nothing to prove us wrong, bro

Techobeys:
With due respect sir, you don’t know about the human psyche more than me. What you know is human body and not psyche so kindly retract you statement.

Violence is natural, in psychoanalysis, everything is just violence and a doctor and a thief are channeling their violence differently.

So what you saying is not reasonable. The fact that society accept one thing does not make it rational.

Do you understand that you insulting me and calling my brain dim is also violence? Bc Is this continues, it’ll culminate to the level of physical violence. Verbal violence are as destructive as physical ones.

Gay is can be viewed as a disease if you think kleptomania is also a disease. The fact that society accepts one and hates the other does not make it rational.

Kindly, study these things more rationally pls. I hope you know that you saying you’re not gay doesn’t actually mean you’re not one.

1. I dont know the human psyche, only the body? Pray sir, are you a psychiatrist, psychologist or neuroscientist? Youre saying a physician doesn't understand psychiatry? Wtf? Are you for real?
2. This is the definition of violence
The intentional use of physical force or power, threatened or actual, against oneself, another person, or against a group or community, that either results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm, maldevelopment or deprivation
And there is no mention of verbal aspect of it. I don't understand what you mean by thief and doctor expressing their violence differently. Please shed more light.
3. What is rational about stealing or kleptomania? Are they accepted by society? No.
4. You insinuated I'm gay with this…
So if you think none of these vices should be accepted, why should homosexuality be accepted over violence. [b]You need to study beyond your biases and desires to sleep with men. [/b]Violence is as natural as homosexuality, if you’ll fight for one to be accepted, then fight for the other too otherwise stop this nonsense pls.

… and I dont like it

triplechoice:
What you copied directly from the article written by the gay rights activist, Bisi Alimi, are gay propoganda; false narratives. None of it supports your wild claims that in the past Africa was a hotbed of homosexuality and that we were also immersed in it.

In the first place, the Yoruba word, adofuro, only describes anal sex and not homosexuality. Homosexuals are not the only ones to engage anal sex. Some men who aren't gays also have anal sex with either a male or female partner. The author of the article has placed the word,homosexual, in quotes because he is not certain if the word , adofuro, actually describes that. He Just gave his own subjective interpretation of it.

Secondly, the fact we had few effeminate men in the northern part of Nigeria who could marry is still not enough for your generalisation. There's no evidence whatsoever of such men living together with any man as "husband and wife" similar to the culture of homosexuality currently practiced in the Western world.The men were open to have sex with anybody, married and unmarried men ,and not cohabiting with anyone.

Furthermore, the claim that king Mwaga 11 was openly gay is one of those false narratives meant to deceive the gullible public. The King never at anytime declared he was gay. There's no evidence he flaunted that lifestyle . None of his subjects confirmed he was having sex with any man.

So, where did the rumor that he was openly gay emanate from?

It came from the false accusation placed on him by white Christian colonialists . He was accused , without any evidence, of sleeping with some young men whom he had actually executed for converting to Christianity. The King put up a strong resistance against colonial rule and Christianity, and for that , they set him up in order to remove him and have their way.

It was a case of giving a dog a bad name in order to hang it. The information being withheld from the public is the fact that the king was married to sixteen different women who produced many children for him. Why then would anyone in their right senses describe such a man as openly gay is something very difficult to understand. Even if it was true he slept with other men, that still doesn't make him homosexual. He was married to women.

https://theafricanroyalfamilies.com/


Finally, artworks depicting men having sex with other men doesn't confirm anything. Artworks are produced for a number of reasons which are usually not known except by the person who actually produced them. If we don't know the actual reason for which an artwork was created, we can't just speculate using our personal experiences or from our own view point, and then try to force what we arrived at on others as evidence of something.

In certain parts of Africa, especially in sub Saharan Africa, it's believed that male members of some secret cults engaged in anal sex with other men either for acquiring mystical powers or as part of initiatory rites into such societies. So, it's possible those art depictions represents such beliefs or something else we don't even know.

I'm not against homosexuals. Why should I? I don't subscribe to any religious text that instruct its readers to condemn them. What I'm against are the misinformation , half truths and outright lies being dished out concerning the issue.

It's insulting to our collective intelligence as Africans to sit down and watch, without reacting, while some outsiders, in conjunction with our own people, are trying desperately to rewrite our own history.



King Mwaga 11 was the first prominent African to come out as gay? Oh!

Exactly the same tactics being used by some individuals and Christian groups; Jesus was a black man, he was from Africa, infact the Bible was written by the Yorubas, there's a word for the devil in Yoruba and blah blah blah.


Not everyone is fooled.

Below is where you directly copied from.

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/09/being-gay-african-history-homosexuality-christianity

1. Oh yes, Africa was on bed with homosexuality. Back then it was accepted. Adufuro means anal sex but which sexual orientation started it before heterosexuals? Homosexuals. That's why that word was coined. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mudoko_dako
2. There's a copious amount of history of effeminate African men getting married to men. You can Google it and blow your mind. In fact lemme help you out with a few examples.
The vocabulary used to describe same-sex relations in traditional languages, predating colonialism, is further proof of the existence of such relations in precolonial Africa. To name but a few, the Shangaan of southern Africa referred to same-sex relations as “inkotshane” (male-wife); Basotho women in present-day Lesotho engage in socially sanctioned erotic relationships called “motsoalle” (special friend) and in the Wolof language, spoken in Senegal, homosexual men are known as “gor-digen” (men-women).

But to be sure, the context and experiences of such relationships did not necessarily mirror homosexual relations as understood in the West, nor were they necessarily consistent with what we now describe as a gay or queer identity.

Same-sex relationships in Africa were far more complex than what the champions of the “un-African” myth would have us believe. Apart from erotic same-sex desire, in precolonial Africa, several other activities were involved in same-sex (or what the colonialists branded “unnatural”) sexuality. For example, the Ndebele and Shona in Zimbabwe, the Azande in Sudan and Congo, the Nupe in Nigeria and the Tutsi in Rwanda and Burundi all engaged in same-sex acts for spiritual rearmament — i.e., as a source of fresh power for their territories. It was also used for ritual purposes. Among various communities in South Africa, sex education among adolescent peers allowed them to experiment through acts such as “thigh sex” (“hlobonga” among the Zulu, “ukumetsha” among the Xhosa and “gangisa” among the Shangaan).

3. Im not saying some of the homosexual intimacy wasn't for any other purpose. Of course they were thought to give power. But in the end, its still homo sex, whether for power, initiation or pleasure.
Til now some female cults in nigeria initiate their members with sex orgies. I guess its the White Men that taught them that, right?
4. Mwanga 2 had wives to comply with his father's wishes, but it didn't stop him from engaging in homosexuality. There are African sites(not American or European) that labelled him as such. Its well known.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://theafricanroyalfamilies.com/2022/06/04/kabaka-king-mwanga-ii-of-buganda-gay-bisexual-or-queer/&ved=2ahUKEwip1NyZ2O_9AhUGgv0HHdYcDv8QFnoECGgQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0H1QrHzWl8LJnGEjzpJWr1

https://face2faceafrica.com/article/king-mwanga-ii-of-buganda-the-19th-century-ugandan-king-who-was-gay

TenQ:
My God controls you and yet He doesn't exist!?

Is this not a self contradiction?

So you agree Flying Spaghetti Monster controls him like a puppet

FxMasterz:
Those who would be damned would be damned. There's no need to clarify issues to someone who is obstinately clinging to perdition.

Translation
These damned atheists are just too smart for me