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[quote author=Bankowner post=134824887][/quote]Obviously u haven't seen on social media where patients come to say hospitals detained them for days, weeks or months, for unpaid bills. I'm sure you'll be amongst those saying that the hospitals/docs are heartless for detaining innocent baby and mother, blah blah. In the end, the patient ends up paying less than 1/4 of the bill. In this economy where cost of drugs etc have skyrocketed, u would be doing rubbish with a business.
Obviously u haven't heard where patients abscond after getting free treatments. I have seen so many that I don't care to count again.
So who do you blame in those 2 scenarios?
In the end the hospital ends up losing.
A hospital is a business. It may sound callous but it is what it is. Bills have to be paid. Most of these patients that beg and beg to pay later almost never pays, and it's worse now that the economy has worsened. In the end the hospital packs up. Those 'sane' hospitals don't just admit any patient and wait till they pay. They must pay a certain percentage and during admission the patient gets daily Bill update. Once he delays in payment, treatment stops and he may be referred to government hospitals. So check again about those your 'sane hospital', you hear

Bankowner:
You just sit there and type what you don't know.

The Hippocratic Oath is a foundational text in medical ethics, outlining the obligations and conduct expected of physicians, emphasizing the importance of patient well-being, "first, do no harm," and maintaining ethical standards.
Here's a more detailed look:
Key Principles and Promises:
Patient Welfare:
The oath emphasizes the physician's duty to prioritize the patient's health and well-being above all else.
"First, Do No Harm":
This is a core principle, urging physicians to avoid actions that could cause harm or worsen a patient's condition.
Confidentiality:
Physicians are expected to maintain the privacy of their patients' information.
Honesty and Integrity:
The oath stresses the importance of honesty and integrity in all aspects of medical practice.
Respect for Life:
The oath acknowledges the sanctity of human life and encourages respect for all individuals, regardless of their circumstances.
The man and his wife fall under the key principle of respect for life. That hospital failed to value human life and chose money over it.

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Ogbeni from this gibberish, u r not even a doctor.
Below is the Physician Oath I swore and it hasn't changed. Please show me where it states I should treat a patient for free



I swear to fulfil, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:
I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow.
I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures [that] are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism.
I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug.
I will not be ashamed to say "I know not," nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient's recovery.
I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God.
I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.
I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.
I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.
If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.



You people on social media are so stupidlyyy ignorant, it makes me cry. Carry your ignoramus ass comot my face

EmptyGarden:
A while ago, a friend of mine had a tough experience. His wife had given birth, but by the eighth day—the day of the naming ceremony—they were still in the hospital because they couldn’t settle the bills. The hospital, not trusting that he would return to pay, refused to discharge them and held them back. Thankfully, we managed to raise the money, and they were released.

As difficult as that was, I still think it’s a far better situation than when a hospital refuses to admit a patient in critical condition simply because they don’t trust the family to come back and pay. Turning them away in such a moment, forcing them to seek help elsewhere, can be the difference between life and death—and in this case, it was a death sentence.

I get you completely. Your friend is sensible. Many Nigerians in that situation run to social media telling people that the hospital has held them hostage, or some of them even abscond.
I'm sure you have seen many stories like that on social media. And who do the populace blame? The hospital of course! Calling them all sorts of names for being heartless etc etc. Some would eventually pay less than one quarter after spending a month or so. Now how do you think would be the fate of this hospital? Remember they have salaries, bills, drugs etc to pay. I need your response to this question

OgunjimiFengxi:
It's called an emergency for a reason - you can never be fully prepared for it. Just pray to God you don't encounter one beyond your power and financial capacity.

A friend of mine was in a similar situation months back. He cried to me for help after spending over a million in less than 48hours. Luckily for him and his wife, treatment was not stopped while he was out sourcing funds to cover the outstanding bill.

Your comments and most others on this thread are quite disheartening. Compassion matters even to animals, particularly in matters of life or death as this. Where is our humanity? What has happened to us?? We've become so numb that the sanctity of human life means absolutely nothing us anymore.

Unfortunately compassion doesn't pay bills. If I come to your restaurant to eat free, at a point, you'll tell me to fvck off. Does that mean u are not compassionate?

EmptyGarden:
Do they make you pay bills before eating at restaurants?

Many do. Go to top restaurants/fast foods/pizzaries etc, you'll pay at the counter before taking your food. Even the mama put dey collect money before giving out food

Basic123:
Government has given a Bleep by setting up health insurance scheme.Did they key into it?

That health insurance is useless. Use it and see how it works

Clemss88:
atleast they should know life is more important than the money. Do they derive joy when they lose a patient . If anything had happened to my wife , they for get am hot

Hold your government responsible, not the hospitals. When they tell you guys elections have consequences, you think its a joke

oscar52:
How old are you sef? 12? You clearly haven't lived life to know emergency happens. They didnt even have to treat her, just stabilize her and arrange her transport to a general hospital. If your soul is dead to the point you have no mercy for a pregnant woman then too bad for you and a calamity for anyone that call you a life partner/spouse.

What do you mean stabilize? She probably had ecclampsia or APH and the best treatment is an emergency cs for which they demanded a deposit. There's no 'first aid' here

bestfriday:
You are just talking rubbish.....is oath that will put food on their table, is oath that will pay workers salary when months end

Please ignore those ignoramuses that don't even know what is written in the Hippocratic Oath.

oscar52:
You are clearly a slowpoke or not well or maybe both. One of those internet crazies that should be locked up somewhere for his/her own good and for the good of society. Yall find a keyboard and start typing rubbish. I was director of a US hospital for 20 years and the pioneer board member for HEDIS evidence based medicine establishment with CMS so I know what a well run healthcare system looks like. In the US, you will be arrested and prosecuted for turning away a patience in an emergency. Many states like the one I live in dont allow for profit in primary care and hospitals because of situations like this. Because of unethical leeching folks like you that put money over human lives. So go stand in one corner and learn and let people with ideas and compassion on improving things offer input instead of injecting emotional poison into a heart breaking story. Unwell person that this they are well. You better go seek therapy.

Are you sure you're a doctor or healthcare personnel?
And which state forbids pay before service? Name the state. I know if you don't have health insurance in the US, u r in trouble. And paying outta pocket is stress. Please stay away from commenting if you want to lie

Clemss88:
Same thing happened to me. private hospital are wicked. Hospital I had my first child , after the delivery I bought minerals for all the staffs even the owner of the clinic. I even brought food for the staffs during our naming. Fast forward to having my second child , we had already done deposit during antenatal, so when my wife wanted to deliver the doctor suggested she do cs . Could you imagine this nonsense woman was telling me to make transfer first before they start anything. I was mad. At that point I was trying to sell some funds from my PayPal which delayed but I ended up selling and transferring to the useless doctor. Before they started attending to my wife. My wife was just crying in her condition. That day I hated that doctor . A woman for that matter

Deposits are important. Maybe u should ask docs why we insist on them in the first place, then you'll hear stories that touch

Cousin9999:
A hospital isn't a business. It's a basic necessity.

No one should have to pay for that.

The amount of money one crooked politician swipes in a day could pay for medical care for probably millions of people. The amount of money lost when one foreign company doesn't pay a fair price for one shipment of natural resources could probably do the same.

Let's place blame where it belongs.

Sorry. A hospital is a BUSINESS. They pay salaries, foot electricity, drug bills, theater costs etc. Where do u think the money for those would come from? Heaven?

EvangelistChuks:
Mr save money ,miss plan well until God forbid with your Dangote account you have an accident, unconscious and at the mercy of a good Samaritan who on getting to the hospital was asked to deposit 500k on your behalf with you and your billions indisposed you will learn humility but unfortunately it may be late.

That's why u need good managed healthcare. That's what your government should be doing. Its not the duty of docs or hospitals who are only in business to cater for themselves and families

oscar52:
Emergency can happen anytime even with best preparation. Maybe she became unconscious at home and he rushed her to the closest clinic. I pray you are never in these situation to see the horror of healthcare in Nigeria. I lost tree sisters to sickle cell and one died because of negligence and asking family members to be doing the work the clinics should be doing even when you have money to pay. The system needs reform. I even support banning for profit primary healthcare facilities. That way the heartless and greedy ones will leave the professional. Medicines is a noble profession, not for rif rafs and chalatans. If the clinic had treated her and did a go fund me, they will recoup 100X what she owned. That $350, even me as a stranger would have paid it on her behalf. Not everyone places money over human life thankfully.

The way you people talk….
So government should ban all the profit oriented clinics? So medicine would be strictly charity? Which country have you seen that happen? How do you think the salaries of the healthcare workers would be paid? Do you think the government can pay the salaries? Are you even aware the government is tired of footing the bill of government hospitals and are monetizing some services?
You are cozy in your profession or business, making money, but want another profession to be strictly charitable, servicing your greed. You people dont wanna demand robust healthcare from your government but want all the docs and hospitals to run at losses for you guys.
Some of you are something else, I swear.

Bankowner:
I want to believe you're a woman.

Choosing bottom line over two lives, one of which is unborn, is not only cruel, but the highest form of inhumanity. The Hippocratic Oath specifically mentions preservation of life. Who says the family might not get financial help after all said and done?

Do you people even know what is written in this Hippocratic Oath u r quoting upandan?

adedayoa2:
I was wondering why they didn't go straight to a government hospital, since the husband knows he is yet to raise any money. Which hospital did she register for antenatal? Plenty questions to ask.

No government hospital has bed space. Its always filled up thus private is the next available choice

Blitzking:
Probably had pre eclampsia/eclampsia, or haemorrhage

Yeah. More like ecclampsia or APH. They musta referred him to a government hospital

boxypane:
Those medical miscreants needs to be sued!!!

Sue who? Who are you calling miscreant?

FreeStuffsNG:
Sad. They should have transferred them to a government health facility

If they transfer them, thats more bills for the man. I'm sure they were told to go to government hospitals but the man refused

EmptyGarden:
As much as they would want to defend the commercial aspect of their business, their primary business should be saving lives. Human lives should mean something to them.

Imagine if they keep on saving lives without payment. What do you think would eventually happen?

Sheuns:
Government hospitals in Lagos will try to stabilize the patient in the emergency ward first and ask the family member to go do documentation.

Not all. Go to FMC Ebutte Metta with an unconscious patient. U must vomit 2m before dem look ur face. We are not running charities again

hotspec:
Wicked people everywhere. What happens to the Oath they swore, to always protect lives? They chose money over mother and unborn child lives! The wickedness of some politicians we condemn is nothing compared to some people with little power. What goes around will definitely visit (come) around for them

We didn't take an oath to treat people for free. Maybe u should show me where its written that we should treat before collecting money

bewisemasses:
If anyone tells u Nigeria is getting better, take them to a govt hospital for just one day and let them experience first hand what's going on there.
See Nigerians see and treat other Nigerians as animals.
May Nigeria not happen to me and my family. Amen

Do you expect them to treat the woman for free?

TechCapon:
i saw this heartbreaking video on twitter today.. mehn naija is a horrible country but u won't blame the hospital.. they must have gotten their finger bitten before that made them harden their heart. Must u go to private hospital? There are even local yoruba women that give birth to babies for low income families. For them to request initial 500k deposit means its an expensive hospital. didn't she go for ante-natal? what happen to the hospital she was using all these while?

For the 500k deposit it prolly a cs and she must have been bleeding for a cs to be indicated.
I feel his pain but his country failed him, not the hospital

Kobojunkie:
Pregnancy is a 9-month gig during which those who are intentional would have not only prepared themselves for that final emergency to come but also done all necessary to ensure they are prepared as far as the bill to come.

This here is a sad story indeed, but I can't really fault the hospital for choosing to protect its bottom line either.

For once, Junkie my babe has made sense.
These guys paint hospitals as poor as they can. They rush to the hospital, begging like their lives depend on it, but las las they won't pay shishi. In the end, the hospital take it as a loss. How long would the hospitals continue like this? They forget its a business. Instead of clamouring for a better healthcare from their government like sane countries, they are blasting the hospitals on social media
Gang of iddioots

TenQ:
Good!

The SOUL is similar to the SOFTWARE that runs the body of an orgasm where the Brain serves more or less as the CPU and HDD.

Just like for the Software in a System, There is no known physical means of determination it's existence.



All Atheist argument focus on the Hardware (Brain and Chemicals) but forget that a software (SOUL) runs under the hood.

Why do you think that even though we learn as we grow, Babies seems to come with some limited pre-programmed behaviours that aren't a product of learning by experience.

1. Then how do you know in fact we have souls when u cannot determine its existence by any means?
2. Babies have limited knowledge cos their brains are immature and small. As they keep on growing in age, they acquire more knowledge and experience and their brain size grows rapidly. As they reach a particular age, maybe 3 to 5 years, the rapid growth in brain size reduces. It has absolutely nothing to do with any soul?

advocatejare:
@Jaephoenix you lamented that “ This man was a vibrant Christian. Left his booming alcohol business to become a Christian and from there his health dwindled….
Then I started digging.”
https://www.nairaland.com/7942670/why-became-atheist

From what you wrote, it was because your dad “left his booming alcohol business to become a Christian “ was the reason his health dwindled.

So you’d rather he continue using his alcoholic business to destroy peoples’ lives and not stop to become a Christian. You’re a selfish person, you’re only concerned about the gains your father was making from selling alcohol to destroy peoples’ lives,

But when he eventually died, you now started digging and the digging led you into atheism!

Did you read the part I said I was asking questions as a child or like I pointed out before, u have comprehension issues?

advocatejare:
😆
In short, you can’t provide the signed documents to your lies!

Now the whole world can see you for your lies.


Now that I’ve proven that you lied that the Residents Doctors’ strike was due to insecurity and not because of Dr. Ganiyat that was kidnapped, let’s talk about how you became an atheist because your father who destroyed many lives with his alcoholic business also died and you got disappointed in God for allowing your father to die

Keep on twisting stories.
If you cannot see where the NARD President said the strike was due to insecurity, then its on you. I also told you all those were discussed in the NEC which you weren't there.
Please where did I say I was disappointed with your god in my write up? Do you have comprehension issues?

paxonel:
As a child, i used to believe the story. But now, the story means something else to me with the the same fundamental lesson
ofcourse yes, and i still maintain my position
and i explained that science encompasses a wide range of varieties of knowledge which may include ability to interprete figurative languages accurately, based on the context of a story
I believe the accurate interpretation that possibly, it happened.
But i don't be that it happened the way it was written

You have started the classical christian waffling and faffing.
You said you believe as a child. DO YOU STILL BELIEVE AS AN ADULT? (Im assuming u r an adult )
So you believe the sun and moon stood still?
Bushes, snakes, donkeys etc talking?
Folks resurrecting en masse?
Dudes climbing on thin air into the sky?
Etc etc
Can you explain the scientific evidence of such
Thank you

paxonel:
of what use pointing out errors from a history document that was written over thousands of years ago by authors who possibly not educated enough to present their points more precisely?
it's of use!
You will end up chasing wild geese and nothing will change
there are no one single history today that is totally void of error or do you know any?

As a matter of fact, the errors are indication that history books are documented at the time most people didn't have quality education which shows that what were documented in the book are true
The story goes beyond what is written and requires proper interpretation for the modern and educated minds of this current era
Perhaps, it was written that way for primitive minds of the ancient and mediaeval era who were more interested in mythogies for them to understand.

Also note that these kind of writings were not limited to only the bible.
We have read books concerning the Greek mythology, Macbeth, The Tempest, Julius Caesar etc

Perhaps these stories actually happened. But in the real sense, they did not happen the way they are presented in the books

I thought u christians believe the Bible is a divine book? So why are you comparing it to works of men?

Omoawoke:
Okay, we have made progress, that the Bible is not100% free of errors has been established…
And the few ones we used as examples are just one out of several hundreds that no one can deny… and I’m glad we both agree.
If we are to speak of the rest, it would only be a waste of time and energy

So first agreement… Bible isn’t 100% free of some little obvious errors.


Let’s move to the Bible stories…. There are some interesting stories in the Bible, that speak of our supposed history as humans…
From our creation to our Lord Jesusssss Krissst to our present generation.

The stories are so many, let’s pick them one by one…

I like to go with Tower of Babel… ? Because I feel it insults common sense..

So tell me, do you believe in the Tower of Babel? Is that part of the Bible true as they said it?

You're right. Remember he was beating his chest that the Bible is error free. Now he has mellowed and is waffling. We haven't even started in the lies. We are still on the contradictions sections. When we get to the lies, I wonder what he'll say

paxonel:
certainly!
since they are documented by humans.

But the key message which is Jesus Christ is perfectly passed across
I was pretty busy

So, you agree that there is devil, but God you don't?

I will advice you to stay quietly in your atheism if you don't want me to convert you into Christianity

So can the words inspired by a divine being be contradictory?