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MaxInDHouse:
Ever seen a single representative of any of these religions you mentioned at your doorstep to discuss with you about his or her god?

Well this is what the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob said about those gods in ancient times dragging supremacy with Him:

Their idols are silver and gold, The work of human hands.  A mouth they have, but they cannot speak; Eyes, but they cannot see; Ears they have, but they cannot hear; A nose, but they cannot smell; Hands they have, but they cannot feel; Feet, but they cannot walk; They make no sound with their throat. The people who make them will become just like them, As will all those who trust in them. Psalms 115:4-8

The highlighted in blue makes perfect sense to me, those gods are dumb, blind, deaf, can't perceive anything odor, can't touch, can't walk, they can't even make any sound so the true God said those trusting (believing) in them will later become like these dead gods!

Praise the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob because this thing we are reading today was written when worshipers of all these gods were dragging territories with great armies back then claiming their gods are great but what about today? TheDevilsBride can only mention their names their worshipers have become dumb, blind, deaf, no sense of smell, no feelings, immobile, can't even make any sound again while the worshipers of Jehovah are going all over the earth to make disciples preaching and teaching globally about the Kingdom of Christ who is the son of JEHOVAH!

1. How do you know your god exists, never mind, breathing, smelling, eating etc?
2. Also Mormons knock on doors too. So that makes them legit, no?

MaxInDHouse:
I don't know about you but since i was born until now none of these has been mentioned except in story books when people around me are travelling either to Jerusalem or Mecca in search of the Abrahamic God!

Its either you're too ignorant or too dishonest.
There are followers of those gods till tomorrow. A simple Google search woulda straightened you out but then I heard education is frowned upon by your guys, so….

THEDEEPSIGHT:
Good morning. Let me set out my premises in brief bullet points and then perhaps we can deconstruct them in detail later. It will be crucial that you agree on basic principles of causality. If you seek refuge in unproven ideas in quantum physics it will be impossible to have a logical discussion.

1. All physical motion requires a trigger (this is a reframing of the principle in the Kalam that whatever begins to exist must have a cause).

2. The universe being a physical moving object (or conglomeration of objects which as far as we know started as a singularity) required a trigger.

3. If the Universe is all that is physical, then this trigger could not also be physical. That would be a contradiction in terms and amount to a thing being its own trigger, which is against the laws of motion.

4. We are therefore led to necessarily consider a non physical cause of the physical world - thus, an element that is transcendental. Namely: that is non physical and transcends the universe - i.e: is beyond the universe.

5. We can conclude the first set of premises by saying that we logically deduce an immaterial and transcendental cause of the universe.

6. The second set of premises starts with the fact that all physical things are mutable: i.e: subject to change.

7. That which is non-physical, is not subject to this same kind of mutability.

8. For anything at all to exist in the physical, something immaterial must have preceded and triggered it.

9. An infinite regress of causes is not possible.

10. There therefore necessarily exists a permanent, intangible, transcendental, immutable and uncaused element.

11. Such an element must posess the attribute of self-existence - namely that it cannot but exist, it necessarily exists, its nature is such that it inherently permanently exists.

12. Components of such a self existent thing are eternal time (eternity) and infinite space (infinity).

13. Eternity and infinity are uncreated and self existent.

14. The summary of the foregoing, when absorbed carefully, logically leads us to the conclusion of the existence of a self existent, transcendental, immaterial, immutable cause of the physical universe - and this element is what is called God.

This piece has a lot of fallacies.
1. Fallacy of Appeal to Ignorance
2. So how did u deduce the properties of this transcendal entity

MaxInDHouse:
After reading the Bible where does He prove to be a bully?

There are many nations practicing what they want as religion but He only focused on Israel His special possession.

So if you're truly a researcher as you claim how do you expect such a person to force people against their wishes?

His being ALMIGHTY doesn't translate to forcing anyone to live by His standards!

So what did he do to Pharaoh's heart when Moses wanted deliverance?

TheDevilsBride:
How do we actually verify the existence of this root source, for certain? Divine revelation? Gut feeling? Ouija board?

Are you by chance JessicaRabbit? You two have the same vibes: smart and witty, tackling these dumb theists for fun

TheDevilsBride:
It's pointless making allusions to "further research" when, judging from the explanation following this statement, you simply make things up, rather than do any "further research", lol.



Smh, lmao, Maximus you and I know, that you just conjured this dodgy re-definition, pulling it straight out of your arse. But even if we accept your re-definition, then the plot thickens, because you're defining your God's character here, and not his capabilities. I've now shown that etymologically, "ALMIGHTY" and "OMNIPOTENCE" are the exact same word, so practically, you haven't addressed anything. I'm just waiting to see where you actually demonstrate that they are different.



Kikikikikiki. Classic Maximus, scoring own goals, by submitting verses that severely undermine his very own arguments, lol. Abraham wasn't questioning God's capabilities, my dear, he was appealing to God's character, his moral nature. Like when you judge your friend for kicking a dead puppy. Doesn't mean he's physically incapable of kicking the puppy.



It is at this precise juncture, that your argument truly achieves peak circular reasoning, like a dog chasing its' own tail, lmao.

".....God can't do evil things because he's holy"

".....therefore we can't use 'omnipotent' because it includes the ability to do evil things"

"...which God can't do because he's holy...

.

You are desperately struggling, with excessive semantic dribbling, to limit your God's power, so that it matches your perception of his character, and yet you only succeeded in committing a categorical error of magnificent proportions, wrapped up in circular reasoning, and passionately served with a side salad of outrageous (misunderstood, at best) semantics.

..."further research", indeed .

MadMax is well known for pulling out definitions from his ever-resourceful ass, and most times they are own goals.
Take for instance this his problem with all-powerful, almighty and omnipotent. Despite data showing the words mean exactly the same, despite many folks including myself explaining to him the words mean the same, he still insists otherwise. Now he's saying all-powerful means his god can do evil. Now here is the own-goal he scored: he forgot that Yhwh himself said he is evil.
In the New World Translation of the Bible(I intentionally used NWT cos its used by JW and they don't give a fvck about any other translation and if I used any other translation apart from NWT, MadMax would ignore it), Isaiah 45:7 says, "I form light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, Jehovah, am doing all these things. Other translations like King James Bible said
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Despite NWT trying to damage-limit the verse, the evil in the verse still shines through. Which good god would create darkness and calamity, and for what reason? Also in Samuel, Yhwh sent evil spirits to torment Saul, infact Yhwh himself is a whole ass villain in the Bible.
So MadMax, yes, Yhwh is a bad boy too.

Krismas:
Lol

1. U are the epitome of ignorance
2. Weren't u the one denying god can cause rain?
3. In 1978 a team of Japanese experts, showed beyond all reasonable doubt,
that every single method the likes of National Geographic sites are parroting about Pyramid,
are sheer nonsensical. Read it below.

https://www.thearchaeologist.org/blog/1978-japanese-researchers-trying-to-find-how-the-pyramids-were-actually-built

Take note of all the failures of this Japanese.
The pyramid is just about 9storey building. Yet, its more complex to achieve than Burj Khalifa in Dubai.
We know how the Pyramid was built, only, people like u, would rather settle for trash, in d name of science and reject sound truths staring u in the eyes

1. Ok, Mr. Ignoramus
2. Yes, I said no god can cause rain. Seeding can be explained scientifically and takes conscientious effort to execute. Which god has caused rain?
3. From this link, I discovered you have no critical thinking skills (no wonder you're a theist)
The link stated that the workers were limited because of the size of manpower, not because they cannot do it. The actual pyramid was built by 100k men in more than 20 years! How the fvck do you expect 50 or 100 men to do that in 1 day or week! Its impossible. If they can spare 100k men in such amount of years, theyd build the pyramid.
Learn how to use those gyri and sulci in your brain

TenQ:
You!



Check:
A doctor of psychiatry is commonly referred to as a psychiatrist


You should know this better than me na!

Lol. 'Doctor of psychiatry' is a misnomer
Psychiatry is a branch of medicine. Imagine if someone calls a doctor, Doctor of Endocrinology instead of endocrinologist.
Simply call the person psychiatrist, instead of doctor of Psychiatry

Jman06:
And how sure are you that the person who prescribed the antihypertensive was a pharmacist No well trained pharmacist would prescribe antihypertensive without keeping the patient under close monitoring. It is rare to see Pharmacists making such prescriptions in the first place without consulting a medical doctor. If we're talking about common sicknesses like malaria, common cold, pains and inflammations, that's a different ballgame.

See, you medical doctors have a penchant for lying against pharmacists for whatever selfish aims you want to achieve and until you stop that, our healthcare system would continue to experience disharmony among the professionals and patients would continue to bear the consequences.

Please speak for yourself. I don't know the country or city youre in but go to major cities like Lagos, PH and you'll see pharmacies doubling as hospitals. Some of the pharmacists wear Ward coats and consult with patients, pleading themselves as docs, and when the patients refer to them as docs, they don't correct them. Isn't that impersonation? If you are in PH, go to Mile 1 and see many o those pharmacies, prescribing IV drugs, administering them etc. Yet you are here talking trash from your anus

Jman06:
My problem is that most of you medical doctors don't accept that such errors from your colleagues exist and that pharmacists correct those errors!

Accept the existence of those blunders and give credit to pharmacists for correcting them and there'll be harmony between the two professions. Not every time you're antagonizing pharmacists, even when they're seeking professional growth and better pay from government, you medical doctors come as a stumbling block yet you expect pharmacists to be at peace with you It doesn't work that way

Its like you have reading disability. I clearly stated in my reply that every profession has its retards. That includes medical doctors isn't it ? Did I exclude us?
Damn!
Please go to primary school and learn grammar

Bodydiialect57:
Suit yourself.

Lol. U have been found out and this is all u can say?

Krismas:
1. Look whos talking

2. For all your so-called knowledge, i can bet u never knew of cloud seeding
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_seeding

3. For ur mind!
Ancients talked about people with seemingly magical powers whom they called gods.
In the Epic of Gilgamesh, for instance, the gods were said to have sent rains and flood to swallow Shuruppak City
With only Utnapishtum escaping on a constructed boat.
This is apparently the story dat inspired the biblical Noah.
Only, Shuruppak has been found. The city is still under water till date.
So, the ancients were not concerned about HOW the flood happened,
But WHO brought about the flood.
This is why u suppose, they are ignorant anytime they attribute rain to god?
Well, people can still bring about flood and make rain fall.
And these people may still be seen as gods to d rest of us who don't understand their Physics.

4. Which modern tech can guide you, to pile stones upon stone, without cement or any form of binder.
27meters high, some of the stones, weighing 2,300kg.
To last, standing for more than 4,000yrs,
surviving earthquakes, Floods, explosion and desertification?
Keep in mind, Ultimate limit state design for concrete, does not guarantee more than 100yrs for your structures.
Just one hour of fire, almost zero resistance to earthquake, explosion and flooding.

1.Yes, what about me?
2. Lol. You must think I'm a kindergarten
3. Go to Smithsonian, National Geographic websites etc, you'll see all the possible methods the Egyptians used.You can even use a simple Google search. Though it was ingenious, those methods are archaic by todays standards. According to historian Herodotus, it took 100k men 20 years to build that pyramid. With the aid of AI, CGI and 3D printing, it wouldn't take a year to build that pyramid. And I'm sure in the next 100 years when better tech is available, it would may take less, maybe a month. So take your ignorance and learn

Krismas:
Human beings can make rain fall anytime they like. Its easy.
Typhoon and floods around the world, are sometimes rumored as handiwork of CIA.
Cos the tech to do it, is available.
Anyone who can make rain fall, might still be called god today,
by those who don't understand the physics behind it.
Every known attempt to replicate the Pyramid has failed miserably so far.
U have no idea what the Pyramid is

Bro I don't know your knowledge level but you come across as ignorant. Scientifically we know how rain is formed. If some folks don't know, whose fault is it? Back then nobody knew.
About the Giza thing, how do you know modern science cannot replicate it? There's AI and reverse engineering that has decoded how the pyramid was built. The technology was impressive but its something that can be built again if they want. Do you expect them to start building the pyramid all over ? Are you this dense?

drerocker:
Ask your doctor's it romancing or arousing no longer the notice of checking the victim

I dont understand what u r saying

Krismas:
U are d one plagued with chronic ignorance yet unwilling to research or learn. Till date, we cannot build the pyramid of Gaza, so old, no one is definite of its age. Yet, try and replicate it first, with all ur cutting edge engineering
Who told you people thousands of years ago, didn't know more than us? Wen they say certain phenomena were caused by gods, why do u think they were wrong?

I used examples of people mistaking rain as an act of god and you are here telling me about the pyramid of Giza. And who told you we can't replicate it with modern tech? Dude get a grip, do ur research and come back
The ancients were more ignorant than us, and the future humans would be wiser than us too. Thats how knowledge works

Bodydiialect57:
No, her opinion wasn't the basis of my belief. Where did l insinuate such from my post?

And yes no one tended to the wound.I only tied it up at first to stop the blood flow.

U told me u didn't apply anything, now u r saying u tied it up
What kind of liars are these christians, bikonu?

Starz825:
We can make excuses.... Kindly permit us

We are already a serial winner than you all..

Keep on it

Ttidal7:
Quite insightful, I'm thrilled that you know that what brilliant minds could "boast" about today, are actually the cumulative effort of very curious and brilliant minds, that largely formed the foremost quests for knowledge about human existence and the environment, notably Greek philosophers from 3 BCE to 300AD.
It's well documented throughout history, the excitement, sometimes very crazy reactions of scientists and mathematicans when they find the solution to what have threatened to cripple their search for knowledge, and understanding of natural occurrence.

Recall, Archimedes ran naked when he discovered upthrust, and so did many others do crazy things. What's the point? Humans, no matter how long or coordinated in their bid to understand or grasp the staggering intriguing complexity of the environment, the more awe-inspiring they find the things! They can only marvel, continue to gape in wonder, because who covered these things, made it so, it is God. His existence, doesn't factor in time. Time is for men, for flesh. The more men know, the more they know how little they have known.

That's the plan for mortals. We die. Man hasn't been able to understand fully our MilkyWay Galaxy alone, how much more other universes. Who can know these things? If mam lives Eaons of years can he fathom?

Who's a spirit? I can't type everything, I implore you to do some research. The internet is here. It's unfortunate that most people say things because they have heard others say them. I challenge you to carry out your own investigation unbiased, into who the God of the Bible is. He's not the god of Israel. Pick the Bible and study it from the beginning to the end. If you do, you would find that He is the universal Almighty God that caused everything to become, and that he found Abraham the father of Israel (Jacob) , very faithful and he made a covenant with him. Why he had this covenant with them, He also regulated what happened in other nations. When Israel made blatant willful errors He disapproved them.

This God has distanced himself from the affairs of men because of chronic unimaginable atrocities of men. But if you study the Bible, He says the time is coming for Him to settle scores with men and renew his creations.

1. You talked about the complexities of the universe and you ended up with a god-of-the-gap fallacy. Quite expected. How did u know it was a god that created it and its was specifically ur own god?
2. You talked about a spirit and when asked to explain what a spirit is, you ran away and asked us to check the internet. Really ?
3. So your god has decided to dodge, right? How did u know that, since you said the characters of this god is incomprehensible by mere mortals ?

imhere:
The thing is that nobody forces these people to give the testimonies, they do so willingly after experiencing the miracles. And many of those testimonies are with proves; medical, pictorial and videos including live testimonies. I am a product of God's benevolence especially through the Commanding the Day Midnight Prayers. Taking place every night 11pm to 12:30am

And how did u confirm they weren't paid testimonies?
Also I'm a doctor, and I'm yet to see any doctor come out in the open to validate any 'miracle' and also I'm yet to see the miracles with evidence. Please show them to me.
And how do you mean 'Commanding day midnight' ? Care to elaborate?

Ttidal7:
Men are just flesh, it's extremely unthinkable that mankind that live in the average of 70 to 80 years to fully grasp the origin of life. If you have taken your time to study the intricacies of things, complex biological and geological systems in the universes, you would know that mere man doesn't have the credentials to raise the question; "Who created God?". God is a spirit, and if you want to know a fraction of him, he revealed himself in the Bible. Very notable atheists the world over, from different fields of knowledge, attest to a super spirit tunning and controlling existence and inexistence.

So men are unable to comprehend the complexity of god? So how did u or other mortal men comprehend that this god exists and is complex? Don't call the bible cos its confirmed to be filled with lies and misinformation.
Also which 'notable atheists' attested to a supernatural being?

gbagyiza:
What will he gain to stage such a miracle? He can't go low to that level. God is still answering prayers.

What he'll gain?
What! Is a sane human being saying this?
Of course he'll gain more followers, both offline and online. That translates to more money.
Are you people this ddaaft?

EmperorCaesar:
These Pastors tho
Miracles that are hard to verify, simulate elsewhere or substantiate with proofs would surely draw reactions from dumb Atheists and logical thinkers...I do not believe this as well


Doesnt change the fact that our intricately designed Earth with architectural superstructures that could only be assembled by an intelligent designer is a proof that God exists...Its foolish to think otherwise



Attack Enenche AND Christianity if you wanna, but leave God out of this

1. You call atheists dumb but did not debunk any of their claims, in fact, you backed up their claims that those miracles are indeed staged
2. So if you believe such an intricate universe was created, then who created the much more intricate and wise god?

OBIDIENTNAIJA:
I am happy Salah and Virgil van Dyke have extended their contracts. So sweeeeeeet

When

wiseone28:
No we need treble

Quad

Starz825:
You dey whine

Madrid go fry arsenal


Huna think say Madrid na huna mate ....

Cos say Barca beat us..Nd Liverpool....na unto new coach level...


For Barca ...We are always the team to beat for Barca...

But in all their history...dem no go ever reach us ..na our record dem dey chase for both league and UCL


For Liverpool...we go meet again....


Hunger no dey my boys body na why

....we are too filled with glories...

Excuses

Angelfrost:
Just saying...!

Apart from Liverpool and Barcelona, every other team is not up to Arsenal's quality on a normal day.

Inter? PSG? Madrid?

Angelfrost:
Arsenal has a very uphill task in their hands tonight...!

Overturning a 2-goal deficit in King James won't be easy at all, especially when officiating hardly ever favors them.

What do u mean by the bolded?
Assanal scored from a non-existent corner. Also remember where Odegaard played basketball against Liverpool and got away with it.
You only hear them complain when decisions go against them. If it favors them, they shut their dirty mouths

merits:
JESUS!!!!


It's common among Gen-Z doctors. When you go to the hospital, they often consult Google to prescribe medication I have seen it happen before. If you visit a doctor and they don’t pay attention to you, instead focusing on their laptop or phone, just know that they’re likely consulting Google about your ailment.

Did it occur to you they may be tryna check out the drug-drug interaction or possible side effects? No doctor knows all the side effects profile and drug interactions of every drug. Moreover it may be a new drug he's tryna prescribe

Fiscus105:
I read only one line, if you do something which is not ethical, the day they will take up for it, you shouldn't complain about the consequences, no matter how small it's in eyes of law.


In church doctrine, ....it's clear stated that, man shouldn't pay single or married woman visit alone at home, but people do flout the law, not too long ago, they posted a pastor that was butchered by estranged husband of woman he visited alone at home.


As small as the ethics is, didn't he pay supreme price for his negligence?

Did you see the question I asked at the end?

drerocker:
y
Yeye prayer do u think is Nigeria doctors misbehaved n got free so many deaths are cost by negligence n stupidity of doctors n yet nothing happened. There are cases doctors forget surgery tool inside patients haven't u heated of it..
Touching of patients have rules medically if u use d wrong finger is a crime ok

Lol. How does 'using the wrong finger' become a crime?

Fiscus105:
Does ethics asked you to examine female chest all alone? I could remember wen my wife went for one medical examination, wen the doctor called nurses and noticed they weren't around, he called me, the husband to stay with them, while examining.

The story you posted up there not 💯% how it went through.

Sometimes what we do aint 100% ethical. No doc would swear he has always been ethical. Some scenarios warrant us to cut corners(even though not wise). That day the hospital was crowded, and there were plenty folks waiting for me. So I can't just sit down and wait for a nurse to be available before commencing examination.
Btw, what the doc did(telling you to be a chaperone) is unethical
Being a spouse rules you out, even a neutral person ie not related to your wife, and not a doc/nurse is wrong. Only a doc/nurse is allowed.
Imagine this scenario… Your wife was rushed into the a busy Emergency having a life threatening asthmatic attack or bleeding from vagina after birth. The nurses are very busy and doing vitals check. Would you allow a male doc attend to her without a chaperone? Yes or no? And why?

Bodydiialect57:
II didn't go to any hospital. I didn't visit any chemist shop and l didn't even raise it up for my God to heal for l know He's not only my Healer, He is my health.

And yes, my thumb healed up as if nothing had happened.

If only you know what my Lord and Saviour Yeshua has done for me, you will marvel.

So lemme get this straight…
You had a bad cut, you didn't apply any hemostatic tourniquet, no wound dressing or antibiotics, and the cut is fine now?