TenQ: Half knowledge destroys Who told you that a baby is sinful?
Mat 18:3: "And said, Truly I say to you, Except you be converted, and become as little children, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven." Mat 19:14: "But Jesus said, Allow the little children to come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of Heaven."
Since you have come out as a devils advocate, you might try to help the Muslims with the hadith
Prophet Mohammad said:
Sunan Abi Dawud 4717 ‘Amir reported the Messenger of Allah (May peace be upon him) as saying : The woman who buries alive her new-born girl and the girl who is buried aliveboth will go to Hell. This tradition has also been transmitted by Ibn Mas’ud from the Prophet (May peace be upon him) to the same effect through a different chain of narrators
Question: 1. We can understand why the woman who buried her child will go to Hell, can you explain why the baby will also go to Hell? 2. According to you Muslims, every child was born a Muslim. Can you then explain why this "sinless" Muslim child becomes a candidate of hell fire?
It's just two questions.
Romans 5:12 12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned
Romans 3:23 for all(including babies and adults) have sinned and fall short of the glory of God
Job 14:4, “Who can produce someone clean from someone unclean? No one can!”
Psalm 51:5, “Look! I was born guilty of error (sin), And my mother conceived me in sin.”
I think the time you waste on Nairaland attacking Muslim is better spent reading this your Bible(that you have so poor a knowledge)
TenQ: Here is a Sahih Hadith that Muslims should help us explain as I don't understand.
Prophet Mohammad said:
Sunan Abi Dawud 4717 ‘Amir reported the Messenger of Allah (May peace be upon him) as saying : The woman who buries alive her new-born girl and the girl who is buried aliveboth will go to Hell. This tradition has also been transmitted by Ibn Mas’ud from the Prophet (May peace be upon him) to the same effect through a different chain of narrators
Question: 1. We can understand why the woman who buried her child will go to Hell, can you explain why the baby will also go to Hell? 2. According to you Muslims, every child was born a Muslim. Can you then explain why this "sinless" Muslim child becomes a candidate of hell fire?
If an innocent baby can go to hell in Islam, what hope do Muslims have of al-janna?
Its interesting a religion that believes in original sin and that all has sinned and doesn't deserve to live unless they accept Jesus ,has issues with Muslims You believe a newborn is sinful due to the sin of Adam that supposedly happened more than 2000 years ago yet you have a problem about Muslims having the same belief as yours
MightySparrow: When you make yourself an antichrist, you naturally become antiknowledge . Your prophet should be awarded a Nobel prize in science Only one Babus Salaam is a Muslim who won it with other two Americans.Check the statistics nah. Those who have won it, the few people with correct heads, have been beheaded by Mohammed and his followers. Mohammed knew about orbit.. If that fellow knew anything, it would be sword and women kpekus. Check nah, Michael Faraday, Isaac Newton, Galileo Galilee, Emmanuel Kang, Charles Darwin, Humphrey Davy, Albert Einstein, Stephen Hawkins, and a host of others. How many Muslims do you see there? Dey play my dear Abdul. Butter no be food for monkeys nah. Quran is a scientific book Jesus is the Light of the world! No controversy.
The Quran is not a scientific book. Anyone that claims otherwise is lying. Also some of the scientists you quoted are atheists. And there are many notable Muslim scientists
Yes, I can send prayer notes but you cannot be the handler.
Jesus never sent prayers through unbelievers and faithless people.
That's why I said if you find a relation of the sick that can stand in faith for them, then we're good to go.
Both the relation and the sick must consent to be prayed for and must believe that Jesus can intervene in the body of the sick.
Again, I'm not praying for them to make you believe in God. That's none of my business. I'm praying for them to make them know that God loves them and wants the sick healed.
Yup, Jesus did very well heal unbelievers, heathen, and even healed heathens through other heathen(which is the case here) The Syrophoenician woman who needed healing for her daughter was a Gentile. (Matt 15) , as was the centurion who asked Jesus to heal his servant. (Matt . Neither were God’s chosen people. Don't forget Naaman in the OT Jesus healed all. There is no mention that his healings only refer to Jews. All means all. If God is the same yesterday, today and forever, then surely this means He does still heal unbelievers today.
There is no atheist that is not a criminal, they are all hardened criminals, that have committed great sins against God and he has blocked their senses, reserving them in their fetid fervid delirious delusions until the day of their judgment. Faithless and unreasonable men.
If Satan knows God and he trembles, you can imagine the immensity of depravity that could make his scions to deny God. These atheists aspire to be greater than their father, Satan the devil.
Digbolugiism.
Well done!
There is no christian that is not a criminal, they are all hardened criminals, that have committed great sins against Flying Spaghetti Monster and he has blocked their senses, reserving them in their fetid fervid delirious delusions until the day of their judgment. Faithless and unreasonable men.
Earlier, you asked about old Isreal, i answered. Foolish phonix then changed post to modern Isreal, i answered.
Now foolish finix is asking about the link with old Isreal, even when the whole world knows that "today's.sreal are the zionist who returned to where they are in 1946.
Clearly, stupid finix foolishly pretends not to know about zionist movement or is so fool of ignorance that he never knew.
Please someone who speak should teach this high quality fool, history. for he was doing drugs and wasting his school fees when they were teaching these things.
Maybe re-asking the question can make your schiz abate. How is the modern-day Israel related to the older Israelites? This time take your pm dose of haldol, wait 30 mins and reply
Dtruthspeaker: See Magnified Mumu. the whole world and history calls you Fool telling you that what you stupidly call morderm Isreal are the zionist who returned to their lamd from 1946
Al Jazeera www.aljazeera.com A brief history of Israel-Palestine conflict in 10 maps 27 Nov 2023 — In 1947, the UN adopted Resolution 181, which called for the partition of Palestine into Arab and Jewish states,
France 24 www.france24.com From 1947 to 2023: Retracing the complex, tragic Israeli-Palestinian ... 11 Oct 2023 — From 1947 to 2023: Retracing the complex, tragic Israeli-Palestinian conflict · More than 700 Israelis ...
See how you prove atheists are very very big Fools!
How does this link the old Israel with the new? U well so?
FxMasterz: You need to remind him. People are busy and may forget.
Also, understand that we are very busy people and cannot just be anywhere at a moment's notice.
If you have anyone who can stand in faith for the sick, connect me with such an one or we have a schedule. December and January are always very busy months for people like us.
Are you saying he didn't see the dm I sent him? Anyways, can't you send me a prayer note to transfer to them? I know Jesus healed folks like that in the bible. Even unbelievers get healed
FxMasterz: My itinerary wouldn't take me to Lagos at the moment. Maybe we can schedule that for a future date.
What's the name of your hospital?
Oh no, I can't divulge that on a public forum. Whenever you want us to meet, or u decide your god has given you any powers, reach me on a dm. This your tactic of deferring meet is exactly what your fellow christians do when I invite them. The last one before you told me in March that he'll reach me in May/June. We are in December
Lucifyre: 'Tackle' Lol! you don't tackle facts. You only perform mental gymnastics on em which would not make sense to start with. Humor me though, please tackle.
Dude is as daft as they come. He leaves the substance of an argument, goes after the shadow and paints that shadow with a glaze of grammar
Lucifyre: Great question. First off, for little context which I'm sure you'd know, there is no 'The Bible' cause different denominations have different canons and books comprising their canons, Hebrew bible 24, Catholic 73, Protestant 66, Orthodox 79, also i think the ethiopian orthodox church has 81(not sure). So its not quite straightforward, then you have, say the general christain bible which splits into 2 with the formation of the old testament canon influenced and sourced from the tanakh which went through its own canonization process and was well established before the new testament canon.
Then you talk about the new testament canon sourced from the gospels, apostolic writings and letters, church traditions etc which underwent canonization after. All these to say it was a gradual, nuanced and very complicated process that spanned centuries basically, different people at different points in time contributed to its formation and it wasn't just simple and instaneous by a few persons. There's even a lot more context and nuance missing from my comment to show the complexity. If you'd like to explore the topic deeply i could recommend reputable sources that would do it justice.
I knw most of this data. But where is your source You also forgot MadMax's crew, the JWs. They have a new-fangled version of the babble.? A right old mess
Yeah, Jesus sent His word when He found someone who had faith in His word for the suck person. You don't have that faith. I must pray for the person and the person must say Amen. Or I If the person is dumb, I would speak to the dumb spirit through the person's ears. The dumb spirit will obey my command through Jesus' name, and the dumb shall be healed.
If there's a relation who can stand in faith for the sick, I would pray because of that person's faith. That's how Jesus did it. And that's how He taught us. As you have no faith, you're spiritually useless to your patients.
Through phone contact, I can pray with phone held to the person's ears. The person will be healed.
Alternatively, if I am physically present with the sick, I will lay hands on them in Jesus name, and they will be healed.
I'm not praying for them in order to make you believe in God. That's none of my business. I'm praying for them because God loves them and wants to see them healed.
I love the last option. We can make it work My hospital is at Isolo, Lagos. I can pay your trans but this is Nigeria…. So pay your trans coming and I'll pay your return. I'll get some camera guys to cover the event and post it on Nairaland and other social media outlets. A miracle backed and attested by a physician carries marry impact, especially for the skeptics. So its a win win situation for all parties: You prove your god is alive and a miracle working bro to me and every other atheist here on Nairaland, my patients are healed and they could attract more patients for the hospital, thus more money. Everyone is happy DEAL?
mrintellectual: To start with, the Bible was never presented to anyone as a speech of God. It is simply the revelation of God to man, the inspiration of God on man, written down by mortal men of different skill and learnings, of different social status, some fishermen, some scholars, some kings, over centuries, in different languages, in different locations, all telling the same story about the Word of God, which is not a book, but a Person called Jesus Christ.
The Bible was not written as a scientific document, it is a revelation written down as the receivers understood it.
However, the Quran claims to be a speech of Allah, dictated, and it claims to be a book that explains everything in details, which of course it fails at telling any complete story. It also claims not to contain any discrepancies. So, do you now get it?
The Bible talks about the love of God for all human beings, in the Person of Jesus Christ who came to save us from this sinful world. However, the Quran claims the opposite, and gives lots of claims which are highly fallacious unbecoming of a direct speech of an all knowing God.
Do you now get it?
Actually you don't get it. 1.The bible was presented as the very speech of your god. In many sections, it reported what yhwh spoke, and if you are one of the christians that believe Jesus is Yhwh, it wrote the supposed words of Jesus. 2.If a Supreme Being can use a vessel as flawed and dishonest as man, then that is an indictment on that Supreme Being. Also youre insinuating that the bible isn't the word of god but that of man, and thus should be treated as such. 3. Many christians argue that the Bible is a scientific document, and say that the events there are scientifically correct. Maybe you can confer with your fellow Christians before any rebuttals on this topic
LordReed: LoLz! Your god didn't respond but it is instructive you think it is human beings that will respond. Bwahahahahahaha!
How do you know religion is man made? They portray a god whose book is written, translated and explained by man. A god whose rules are made by man, who also determines when the rules are broken, and determines who and how the defaulters are punished. The god does absolutely zilch. Doesn't explain the rules or punish the defaulters. Since science became prominent this god/s don't talk as much as they did in their books. Its as if science put a duct tape and blind fold on these gods
MightySparrow: The Quran being the last testament sent to humanity has the infallible scientific proofs that authenticate the source an only be from the all - knowing Allah. One of the numerous proofs of scientific accuracy is explained below.
Gabrielshow24: You are just perambulating. I said, and I reiterate except if you and all of your atheists can dismiss the axiomatic foundations of science and mathematics then you can in no wise prove to me that God doesn't exist!
If you don't know the fallacy you are committing. You are still confirming the "CONCEPT OF GOD" in a bid to appeal to hypocrisy you ended up being an hypocrite.
Whether you call your own God, unicorn or Dragon that's your business.
The main thing is that the concept is there. Then the second thing which I will tackle is the identity of your so called god!
Oga you said science cannot prove your god. All these axiom bullshit is irrelevant I have told you my God. His name is Flying Spaghetti Monster Do you have any problem with Him?
Gabrielshow24: You are foolish. Once upon a time! Science believed crows couldn't talk but the present believe actually assets that crows along with some certain animals can mimick human voice.
I can't dwell on a partial fact and use our partial fact or knowledge as a full fledge evidence to dismiss the incapabilities of God.
If it's present then it's not impossible. And again I believe my mathematical standpoint doesn't change and that is. You have in no way negated the theoretical definition of the concept of God.
You have just shown that what we humans have at now is just partial knowledge not fully comprehensive and deterministic to prove against the existence of God!
Youre an imbecilic lying mooroon When did science ever tell you crows can't mimic words? So going by your logic do bushes talk too. Or donkeys? Idiiotic illiterate! Why don’t you do a research to prove bushes or plants can talk since its within your god's power? Bastarddic moooroon! The way to try to twist science and your god together is funny. Science wholeheartedly kicks against religion amd any god concept, but being a harebrained cretard, u try to do it to appear smarter than half And what evidence made you to arrive at the bolded?
Dtruthspeaker: Fool! History testifies that Isreal was scattered abroad (as the bible had foresaid) and the present day Isreal are descendants of those scattered abroad who started returning back to the same place where God gave them (again as God had again. foretold)I hence the word zionism. But you are stupid enough to deny public history.
Even Wiki calls you a big Fool!
Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › H... History of Israel 2,000 BCE with the development of Canaanite civilization, before being vassalizeby Egypt in the Late Bronze Age. In the Iron Age, the kingdoms of Israel and Judah were established, entities that were central to the origins of the Jewish and Samaritan peoples as well as the Abrahamic faith tradition.
What has this gibberish you posted gotta do with modern Israel?
Captain4Jehovah: I see! Your consciousness would have told you with your engagement with them that He exists. They themselves do acknowledge Himself unless if you want to remain a brute liar.
I see! Your consciousness would have told you that your god does not exist and I know you don't acknowledge him
Dtruthspeaker: Did he say, something would happen? See how mad you atheists are?
He specifically said if we engage the witches/wizards then we'd know your god exists. And I said I have engaged them, and I'm still alive despite the facts they said I'll die in 2016 when my dad passed on. See how stupid u r
Dtruthspeaker: Egypt, Isreal, Rome and the UN putting Isreal, back to the very place God threw them out from in 1946 prove you are a Liar which is why you started moving posts and committing strawman fallacies.
The present day Israel is different from the biblical Israelites, dvmmy
And now you have changed post to attack whet you think I would use as confirmation of of the bible, Another deviation from the post.
But to say a littlebit on this, the bible is already confirmed by the presence of Egypt, Isreal, Rome and especially the UN putting Isreal, back to the very place God threw them out from in 1946., so you have no thing.
Spiderman was confirmed to be real. It mentioned the existence of New York
TruthofGod: Atheism is the most irrational, illogical nonsense. In rejecting the logical reality of God, the atheist has blind faith in a causeless universe where matter, energy, time and space came from literal nothingness. This isn't just blind faith in an unscientific premise, it's belief in magic.
You simply cannot get something from nothing and what's more, atheists think their blind faith in something from nothingness isn't a contradiction. After all, if everything can come from nothingness, then under the "logic" of the atheist, God can come from nothing too. Atheism is self refuting.
However, the theist position isn't to support something from nothingness. Rather, the theist position is that God is eternal and this is in agreement with all the logic of the Prime Mover argument which is backed by scientific principles such as causality. Ultimately there had to be an eternal source at the beginning from which everything else proceeded from. This is simply logic.
Logic agrees with theism, whereas atheism is based on mere fantasising and denial of scientific and logical principles.
So where is the brain dead theist that opened this stupid thread and disappeared? Has the atheistic light blinded him so much that he has succumbed like Paul of Tarsus?
FxMasterz: I need to be able to speak to them. They'll hear my prayers and also say "Amen".
How many are they? Can i have their pictures?
There's the small issue of doctor-patient confidentiality. I can't break it unfortunately, or face some lawsuit. And the patients themselves are moribond with low ASA. I would have to get their relatives and that would depend if they have the Power of Attorney to make decisions on their behalf. And of course I can't take their pics, even if they are completely unconscious. Besides Jesus didn't need to talk directly to his patients before healings. He just sent his word. Also what if a patient is mute or deaf? How can s/he say amen? Lol. So please send your word. We'll take it up from there
Gabrielshow24: Even if you manage to dismiss the gospel books you can't dismiss numerous historical accounts that support the existence of Jesus.
Also The Gospel books literature is one that doesn't require self identification. the entire theme or plot is about God not some historical credence to the writer of the book! And it's one where the source or authenticity of it is already valid or recognized within the christian world!
And you ended up saying nothing. Reread through this garbage and tell me what was the summary
Lucifyre: This is wrong chief. The dead sea scrolls don't contain any of the canonical gospels, its mainly just the hebrew bible with apocryphal works. Secondly, the gospels were not compiled or even discussed in the Nicean council, a common mistake most people make, they mainly adressed theological stuff like the Arian contoversy and establishment of the divinity of Jesus.
So where is the source of the canons? And who compiled the bible
Islam › Re: Why Would An Innocent Baby Go To Hell In Islam? by jaephoenix(m): 11:21pm On Dec 18, 2024
. Neither were God’s chosen people. Don't forget Naaman in the OT
