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Gabrielshow24:
If I give you the writings of several historians you are to give me the source of this your claim!

And if you can't then you will make an admission never to say such a thing again while I yet live and use nairaland!

Can you prove he is a deity or supernatural? Those historians only referred to him as humans

Gabrielshow24:
I will like to debate this "admirable JessicaRabbit".

Of you, am not impressed!
Your logical leaps are uncanny!

Bring me Jessica👀

You can't even bring your posts in a logical manner.
You don't even know what an axiom is. Lol

FxMasterz:
Your penchant for lying is very appalling. Why do you want to establish a false narrative on this thread? If you're sure of yourself, you'll refer the reader to the evidence as I have done.

Posting selective screenshots won't help you. Some atheists tried to derail the thread bringing accusations that the argument was from AI which was untrue. But I still posited that even if it is AI, they should prove the AI wrong, they couldn't. They then resorted to another lie that I ran away from. Jessicarabbit which was also false. Rather than addressing the matter they couldn't, they were just beating around the bush, only wigrea7 an agnostic attempted a counterargument but he couldn't counter the argument.

While other atheists in a show of mobility have decided not to respond to me on this thread rather than use lies to defend falsehood - they ignored my post on this thread to avoid lying. I already know from onset that you're the only dishonest atheist that would respond to me and that you'll do your best to cook up lies to defend your false position. And, true to my expectations, you didn't disappoint. I have known of many noble atheists on this forum who actually try very much to be honest in their discussions but you jaephoenix is not one of them.

As I said, no need to argue with a liar when the hearers can always verify the truth from the available evidence? You know your onions well when lying, as lying is actually your forte. But the truth is on the actual thread. Don't try to force your lies on people on this thread. Refer them to the actual thread for verification instead!

Let the reader follow through on the selective link you posted, they'll eventually discover that you're a liar!

This link below goes to my last discussion with Jessicarabbit to which she never responded. Please give me her last response to my mentions to which I did not reply and ran away:

This was my last discussion with her:

https://www.nairaland.com/8193100/completely-destroys-atheism-renders-atheists/6#131664781

Kindly provide me her response to that my mention above to which I did not respond. This has been attached below in screenshots. This is the only way you can prove I ran away. Nothing else will suffice.

I urge the readers to ignore the two of us on this thread and go to the actual thread to verify the truth for themselves.

1. Mr. Liar, both of us have already referred the readers to the thread to check for the truth if they can
2. First things first, are the screenshots true or lies, and you know I can't post all the posts o made there, since they were many, and we are limited to only 4 pics. Remember you lied that atheists avoided the thread.
3. Judas1X showed us a screenshot where he discovered your posts especially the ones you were replying hopefulLandlord are AI generated. His post is the first screenshot I sent. This is the link for anyone who cares to check
https://www.nairaland.com/8193100/completely-destroys-atheism-renders-atheists/8#131678562

4. The next screenshot is where he(Judas1X) was roasting u

5. Next screenshot was hopefulLandlord's reply when he read Judas1X's post that u used AI

6. Then hopefulLandlord found out your OP was still AI generated.
This is the link to his comment
thttps://www.nairaland.com/8193100/completely-destroys-atheism-renders-atheists/8#131679531
And the last screenshot showed it

As ya'll can see, this man is a born liar.
About Jessica, she told you clear that she doesn't want a Nairaland debate which would be muddled by other commenters but a one on one. And I see reason with her. A one on one would allow each of you to lay your points out without interruptions. And we would be viewers only. But you got scared and dodged it

Gabrielshow24:
All this just to show that God doesn't exist🤕.

Yup. Any problems with that?

essentialone:
Who is doubting the existence of God?

I am. Do you have any evidence?

Gabrielshow24:
Your initial premise of "Jesus making his life worse" is subjective.

Even moreso Jesus showing one the consequences of one's action, is completely different from "belief in an heretic offshoot of Christianity"

They are totally different.

Maybe you need to read the Op properly. He clearly stated that his life became better after he prayed to some god. Doesn't he imply that his life was worse off before then?
Please read carefully before attacking

FxMasterz:
Why are you lying? I've always known you to be very dishonest but I don't need to argue with you.

1. Everyone can verify the thread to see the atheists who responded there. You're the one I referenced who was dotting about on the thread without addressing the matter at hand.

2. Did I run away from Jessicarabbit or Jessicarabbit was the one who ran away? The thread is there for the reader to verify. It was a false accusation at best just because I was absent online for less than a 24hr period. Did Jessicarabbit respond to me anymore on that thread? Let the reader verify.

3. Is the argument my own thoughts or that of AI? The matter was raised on the thread and it was debunked. The reader can verify the truth on that thread. I don't need to argue with you.

You in particular of all the atheists on this forum lack decorum. You do not respect people in debates. You are also a chronic liar. Readers can just go on the thread and verify your claims. No need to be arguing because the evidences are all on the thread!

1. I specifically asked you questions based on your post but you never replied. You then dabbled into insults. You guys can see the screenshots of the posts I made and the ones I pointed out one of your numerous lies there.
All this after he said all atheists avoided the thread and only an agnostic engaged him

2. JessicaRabbit asked you to do a one-on-one debate, and nominate an unbiased ref. You dodged that one and ran.
This was her post
https://www.nairaland.com/8193100/completely-destroys-atheism-renders-atheists/1#131653562

3. So which was it? You lied that it was your thought til JudasX or somebody else showed us that it was a chatgpt output
And you're again lying again

4. Yes readers can check. All the atheists there were laughing at your lying and dishonest ass.
Its unfortunate I can only show 4 screenshots, I would have showed all the posts we were laughing at you.
So where did I lie?

MaxInDHouse:
What will you do if i quote a post where you specifically said you won't engage me again?

Funny enough both you and LordReed have said this several times!

Oga show me or acknowledge u r a liar

MaxInDHouse:
What will you do if i quote a post where you specifically said you won't engage me again?

Funny enough both you and LordReed have said this several times!

Show me already. If you dont, then you're an everlasting liar

Gabrielshow24:
We are saying completely different things.
Infact what you have done here can be categorized as straw man fallacy!

Am not claiming the gaps in the knowledge of men is the basis of the existence of God!

Am borrowing from the mathematical statements and definition of an axiom which by itself is unprovable but in itself is a truthful statement!

This is not exploiting the gaps of science this is using one of the most known aspects of science, "the existence of axioms".

This is also to show you that there exists things in the physical world that by themselves have no proof but are the standard or method of proof for all other things!

Sit down and learn!
You just keep showing your faults in thinking for the world to see.

Can you show how the existence of a god is an axiom?

MaxInDHouse:
Should i remind you how many times you have said this?

But it's like atheists don't even live by their own words not that you people don't believe God alone even your own self you don't believe.

What a pity!

I haven't said that specifically about you, Mr. Liar. If I have, show me screenshots. So I'll engage you again, Mr. Liar

advanceDNA:
Jesus made his life worse??
Like wtf are u saying?

This is the op and I highlighted the point I'm making

I want to share a personal story that taught me a profound lesson about respect and humility. As a Muslim, I deeply respect Jesus (peace be upon him) as a beloved prophet of God. However, in the past, during a time of ignorance, I insulted him. after that, I had a vivid dream where Jesus looked at me with anger. Following that dream, my life took a downward turn, with hardship.

Overwhelmed, I sincerely repented to Allah (God) and sought forgiveness. Slowly, my life began to improve, and I regained my stability. I share this story not to preach but to remind us all of the importance of honoring those God loves, regardless of our faith. I hope this story inspires reflection and understanding.

Gabrielshow24:
In a different thread, I explained to you that even from scientific reasoning you can come to the conclusion that God exists.

And given the separation of states of the well known creator and creation paradox. He exists independently outside of creation!

Arguing from silence is a well known fallacy.
That's the fallacy you are committing when you question God's existence!

Infact contrary to your premise lots of evidence point to the existence of a supernatural creator.

And this was my reply
The entity of god is not an axiom. Obviously you don't know what it is.
The god factor is fixed in by theists. No scientist proved the existence of a god via scientific means.
There was a lot of phenomena that science couldn't explain, from flood, rain, lightning etc. Theists inserted their god as the origin of such phenomena. But we now know where they all came from as of today. The god of the gap fallacy is what you have been committing all along

MaxInDHouse:
His wish is that we recognize His presence in the midst of imperfect humans through their peace loving organization {Isaiah 2:2-4} not the sinful traits each of them is battling. Romans 7:15-25

Bro, maybe I'll stop debating with you. You don't answer questions, but instead deflect it to answer a different question.

MaxInDHouse:
Your grievances won't change what we read in the Bible.

Another deflection tactics. Please answer the question

Gabrielshow24:
If you still want to believe the universe is an uncreated entity as a reply to God being an uncreated maker. That's just pure delusion.
You can't be uncertain about a certainty(absolute fact) hence as a result the universe as a verifiable point of existence is well documented in writing.

You can only be uncertain as regards things that have facets of both.

God could be put under the scrutiny of uncertainty but still sharply plays out into everything being uncertain and the question of existence begins to what, crumble!!

That's why as an axiom, God is certain because primordial absolutes such as truth needs a beacon.

Do you now get why you can't place God and the universe on the same par?

The entity of god is not an axiom. Obviously you don't know what it is.
The god factor is fixed in by theists.
There was a lot of phenomena that science couldn't explain, from flood, rain, lightning etc. Theists inserted their god as the origin of such phenomena. But we now know where they all came from as of today. The god of the gap fallacy is what you have been committing all along

MaxInDHouse:
Ok so i don't have a left shey?

All these deflection tactics won't work
I'm here cos you r here. I have no business here as an atheist, but so do you. I just chimed in cos I saw your post, not that I have a contribution.
I dont contribute to christian posts only posts where atheists are invited to.
So please leave. Take this post as my last on this thread.
Have a good day ya'll

MaxInDHouse:
Wait o!

Are you also a PIMO attending Churches but coming to speak against your religion on Nairaland?

Because i don't know what exactly is your business here!

So what are you doing here? At least I have a right. So answer my questions

MightySparrow:
This folks pretend that they don't see truth in others but it is a lie. YouTube is replete with exjws that witnessed to wrong persons and got converted themselves. I have pointed it out here severally about one Carl olof Jonsson, who had a student that questioned the 1914's claim of Jehovah's Witnesses's Jesus' invisible ruler. The man went into the library, and studied for twelve years after which he came out with a treatise to the leaders of Jehovah's Witnesses. Initially, one Professor Furuli, a professor of assyriology, an adherent and apologist of JW's doctrines resisted Jonsson. After some years of scholarly struggle, he was disfellowshiped. So was one Franz that wrote the famous book The Crisis of Conscience. Another book by one adherent, Kicked Out of the Kingdom. The later delivered a baby with a clubbed feet, she had been told that their Jehovah does not answer prayers anymore. She was not satisfied with this mispresentation of God. She prayed and fingers grew on the feet . Upon talking about the healing in their kingdom Hall against Jehovah, she was Kicked out but her testimony remained. Her perspective about God changed. You see there is no argument against evidence.

This people have pharaoh like stubbornness even when they are wrong, they don't accept.

The boos I mentioned are available as PDF and also on Amazon.

Any evidence of the highlighted?

MightySparrow:
I know you are sincere, only that you are sincerely wrong. Anyway, you don't have the power to stop anybody from thinking, hence their opinion. So, you cannot force your opinion on any or everybody. It is a free world only that with your theology is laced with tension and a cultured jittery about others opinion.
I am a pentecostal, a trinitarian, tithe payer. I feel good serving my God with no fears of any Armageddon to kill me and hope in the resurrection of the just.
I believe others who have similar hope are good for God's kingdom too, when my own Jesus returns.

Why do you pay tithes?

Courz:
Mad MaxinDhouse and Janosky with his maggot infested brain do not believe in the No University education rule in JW. But they are scared to say it before they will be disfellowshiped.

Really? MaxinDhouse is it true you guys frown at University education? I thought it is just capping

essentialone:
Ok. No wonder you don't have sense

May the Flying Spaghetti Monster bless you. The guy no get one single sense

Gabrielshow24:
Are you serving them or God?

Church is not a scam, most of the early education of this country was due to the evangelical and missionary capabilities of the church.

So if some elements have decided to walk in the path of Balaam. Leave them, in their own time their Judgement will come.

Any evidence of this god?

MaxInDHouse:
Generally sin is everywhere, what is peculiar to people in one geographical location may not be the case in other places but one thing is sure all disciples of Christ were one time sinners who are gradually recovering from their sinful nature {1Corinthians 6:9-11} the cleansing is a gradual process that's why the Bible said sinners who have washed their robes in the blood of the lamb are qualified for everlasting life! Revelations 7:14-17

So what will be happening among them?
That's what is found written in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3 as for CHARACTER each human has his or her own sinful nature to battle! Romans 7:15-25

So they were 'recovering from their sin' but somehow u believe they are the best performing group and epitomize yhwh's wish?

MaxInDHouse:
Did they live in the first century?
We are talking about people who saw Jesus face to face and wish to be just like him in all they do not people who accepted the faith through the words of his disciples!
So those listening to Jesus that day wanted to imitate his faith that's why his disciples felt they shouldn't have married at all {Matthew 19:10} but since they're married before joining him they must stick to their partners in the faith.
People who later became Christians through the faith of the Apostles got marriage after learning that one can still have faith as a disciples in marriage! Hebrews 13:7


So let's not deviate from what we were talking about faithful people don't feel like having anything now whatever you see with them is just for sustanance their minds are fixed on God's Kingdom where whatever they have will be permanent! Matthew 6:19-21

Any evidence they saw Jesus?

Gabrielshow24:
Check history you will see the major adversary to creationism is good ol materialism which spiraled into different forms.

It doesn't necessarily mean all atheist are materialist but the core teachings of materialism is visible in atheism.

Whether it's a spaghetti Monster or not it is rather inconsequential because the axiom that determines shape can assume any shape. The same way 3D encapsulates any lower dimensions!

Hence this axiom can both be dimensionless or have infinite number of variations.

You just accepted God's existence.

It seems you didn't read through my write up.
The universe has a verifiable beginning hence it can never be uncreated!

Thus you have a conundrum because you have to look for something older than the universe but due to the nature of materialism there is none!

Now if a "singularity" brought about the universe and what we know of it today.

I can as well say what brought about this singularity,
In the first place also singularity is oppositely immaterial.

I could as well postulate that there are infinite number of singularities and all singularities exist in some higher order infinite plane.

Then I go one step this infinite plane must exist within another plane!

Do you see how cumbersome your logic is!
That's why it's called a paradox.

And the axiomatic explanation is the most plausible explanation.

You ignored the part of my post whereby I stated that the universe could be an created entity, just like you believe there is the uncreated maker. Do you believe that?

MaxInDHouse:
Simple answer because he's the only person you can think of since he promised to do it.



Child molestation is everywhere as God is not forming His organization from among aliens from another planet it's humans on this planet with their several filthy acts that God is using to fulfill His promises that's why Jesus said he came to call sinners. Luke 5:32

What God promised that this sinful humans will achieve is written in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Despite their filthy acts they will stop making, buying, selling and using weapons in their midst.

Ọmọ that's what God promised!

So child molestation is amongst the characteristics of yhwh's children?

Gabrielshow24:
First of all, materialism a sect of Atheism concludes the Universe came a ball of gas and matter which in turn doesn't have a definite mode of existence. Or rather put a singularity!

Simple logical reasoning suggests that if you follow suit in that thought patterns you have a paradox as it creates an infinite cycle of what created what.

Hence abstraction tells you along with cause and effect that an axiom must be at the center of existence in the same vein axioms are present in science which by themselves are unprovable but are used as substances to prove all things.

If that can exist we know therefore in the spirit of axioms that whosoever or whatsoever that caused all to exist is an axiom that cannot be determined by anything it brought about but itself can be used to determine all things.

This thought process places God as an immovable, absolute and axiomatic being that brings forth all other concepts.

Hence mathematics and in turn science cannot be used to fully prove God and in the same vein as all axioms we must accept this unprovable fact to be true in order for all other things to be true!

As regards the universe, we have no idea to tell whether it's infinite or not, we do not have special tools or devices to be able to precisely conclude that the universe is infinite but rather evidence suggests the universe is rather finite and if what we know as the universe is finite we then need a way to consolidate with the fact that there infinite finite numbers within infinity which brought the present thought of multiverse(multiple universes).

And who knows as our understanding grows we start to see that maybe perhaps on some invisible plane our so called universe could just be a simple pebble and what we know as multiverse the galaxy equivalent to the collection of these so called pebbles.

Hence the universe is not infinite!
On some certain scale it will always be finite!
This leads to a paradox finite-infinite based on perspective.

Science even confirms that most likely all particles came from the condensation of energy.

Big bang asserts invariably that protons and the likes spun from "thin air" 👀

God is the most probably conclusion for the existence of life as we know it.

All other theorems and postulates fall flat on its head!

And cannot by itself explain everything, it might be correct in some aspects but it fails miserably in others!

1. First of all, materialism isn’t related to atheism at all. Please yall should take it easy in the lies. Materialism is a philosophical concept believed by anyone, whether theist or atheist.
2. Like I said, I don't know how the universe came about. If you insert your god there, how do we know its your specific and not Flying Spaghetti Monster?
3. If you believe your god is an unmovable maker, why can't you believe the universe be an uncreated entity?

MaxInDHouse:
I know you will lie for atheism that's why i didn't ask you who killed her rather i asked you the question any investigator will first ask you:

Who do you suspect?

So don't kill yourself simply because you want to be an atheist!

I'll suspect the threat but it doesn't mean he killed my wife.
So how does all this fit into the question I asked you?
How do you know your organization that is known for graping children, be doing the work of god?

MaxInDHouse:
I've answered you guy if have something to say go ahead.
If someone threaten to kill your wife and you later find her in a pool of blood who should be the number one suspect?
God promised something in the Bible and it's happening exactly as He promised yet you're asking how we can know that He is the one doing it.
Please use your brain now, i know you love to be an atheist but that shouldn't stop you from thinking straight!

If someone threatens to kill my wife and I later find her dead, it doesn't automatically mean the threat killed her ,duh. Use a piece of your brain

MaxInDHouse:
I love all people even though you don't believe in God so i read motives not just speeches you have always asked for the presence of God and that means you will like to settle so many scores with Him if possible you can see Him.
So i know it's not your fault the condition you find yourself determines how far you can think!

Answer the question. Stop deflecting

MaxInDHouse:
When what He promised is happening in their midst!

Please answer the question