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DeepSight:
What a pity. Clearly you didnt read the OP and if you did, and agree with it, you need help.

Lol. Truespeak is Dtruthspeaker. You coulda figured it out for yourself. Even the name is similar. He gives his monikers truth related names. I'm sure he'll be a psychopathic serial killer if he's in the US with access to guns, where he'll force his victims to call him the Truthful One(or something like that ) before k.illing them

sonmvayina:
You are talking with yourself?

My offer still stands.
The earlier you check into an asylum. The better for you...
I will pay for your treatment...you might be a danger to society.

Let us help you..

Its called pathological soliloquy. Dude is going dull blown schizophrenia. Hope he won't get into catatonic state soon

Yorrobber:
The richest atheist is Elon Musk at $222 billion
The richest Pastor is Kenneth Copeland at $300 million


But I didn't expect you to know this.
It takes a very low level of intelligence to come up with this thread.

Nah bro. Leave our resident fruitcake. I love his cusses. No need engaging him logically or factually. He doesn't run that way. Just marvel at him

StillDtruth:
I now know you misery full failure. You are a failure at everything. Your hands and your life is Cursed. You have never acheived anything in your life even after all you have done. You failed medical school and that is why you don't speak like a doctor and you use google to soumd like a doctor. You are the description of fake and the embodyment of fraud, even at this, you still a failure! 😆😆😆😆

It is all those failures and crazy madness that you come to express here since you cannot even do that off line. Cursed fellow. Throughout your whole life you would never anount to anything. You would always be the reject and the person no family remembers exists. I am sure should any one call your name they ask "dat one still dey"

Your family don't even want to see you and they too wish you were dead! 😆😆😆😆😆😆

Lol 😆
Do you need a drink? Are you tired? I need more curses?

StillDtruth:
These 2 mad.atheists clearly remind us of what we have seen which is that most atheists are Cursed, Dirty, Suffering, Very very poor, misery full people who have never seen joy and happiness.

They are rejected everywhere as if they wear shit as vaseline on their bodies.

And even their families cast them out (refuse) like toilet road used to clean yansh!

Their lives are so filled with pains and torments and tortures and waste.and failures and dissapointment to the point that they seek death.😆😆😆

Every curse imaginable and unimaginable has beaten and bitten them 😆😆😆

And that is why they are sooo bitter and venomous. Only evil fills their miseryfull lives.😆😆

And in all these God still Cursed them that they should not die yet so that every pain and suffering will continue to beat and torment them.😆😆😆

And it is because of this that they are the most blasphemous devils as they are tired of life and wish to die but they can't, so they try to isalt God so that death would take them.😆

But God too has frustrated that wish and has ignored them, so they are exposive with anger and with insalts which is what we are seeing. Hahahahahahaha 😆😆😆😆

The insalts from these demons clearly shows the pains and torments and torturings and curse and failures God has greaty poured on them, SO THEY HATE LIVING! 😆😆😆

So the best hmhm we can give them is is to folow Gods plan on them and curse them with long and poorverty, and failures and disgrace and disappointments and more disasters and rejections and tornents and torture, and every evil thing that can happen to a person😆😆😆

Hip hip hip
Doomaway😆

Hip hip hip
Doomaway😆

HIP HIP HIP
DOOM AWAAAYEE! 😆😆😆😆😆😆

UNHAPPY BIRTH DAY! 😆😆😆😆😆

Have a very sorrowful living! 😆😆😆😆😆😆

Omo, I have to hand it to you. You're a legend, bro. Thumbs up 👍

Thundafireseun:
There are two sides to every coin…

This Chidimma self 😤😤😤….

Will Nigeria allow a Matamela Ramaphosa or Kofi contest for miss Nigeria ??

People have different ways to express displeasure…. Nigerians will be suffering and smiling…. While South Africans will tear down enemies shop

She's south african. Ramaphosa's daughter isn't Nigerian. Is that too difficult for you to understand

Creamypie:
a female doctor/nurse sees the doctor as ideal man sir

Lol. Not true. They are regular babes. They just want the richest and most stable dudes around

Jokerman:
It's because they know their truth.

Their Spirit (God's Consciousness) pricks their very soul, but they've allowed the devil to deceive them.

Our prayer is that many will come to the knowledge of truth

So was Yahweh's spirit in Hitler when he was annihilating his people, the Israelis ?

Badmashiii:
Seems like you fell into the group i was refering to.

Well,you can believe whatever you want,but the reality still remains.

Which reality? A concept you can't prove? Obviously u dont know what reality is

StillDtruth:
And the question is,

1) Who benefits when men are turned anti God?

2) Why are atheists desperately bent on destroying belief in God and God followership?

3) Who is fueling and pushing these devild to do these things?

4) How and why is God belief and God followership very painful to the people to the extent that they have gone all these miles to see that God belief and followership is termimated?

Did any atheist steal your girlfriend or wife? Please forgive him. He won't do it again

TenQ:
It's easy, just show us the physical properties of the software embedded in a machine.

This is a sufficient proof.

These stupid posts are the physical properties of the softwares

TenQ:
Why should I. My major objective was to show the illogicality of his conclusion , otherwise, I am done

I thought as much. Mr. Artful Dodger
Next time, stop making useless comments you can't defend

TenQ:
For now, that's not my business as the OP never said anything about the consensus of the experts in making his conclusion

So I'm asking you now. Ignore the OP for now. What are the experts showing as evidence of the supernatural?

FxMasterz:
1. I'm not about whether some stuff were created or not. That's not what I'm discussing with you. I'm telling you that anything that is intelligently put together to fulfil a purpose must have a creator or a manufacturer. The creator created it with an intention to make it fulfil that purpose, he/she then intelligently goes to work to create/make or manufacture that thing that fulfils that specific purpose. If there's an intelligent design in things that are existing to fulfil specific purposes, the existence of a Creator being behind such purposeful designs cannot be argued against. Period!

2. All those questions of 'Who created God' etc are unintelligent questions because there's no rule or law that says a Creator MUST be created. Or that a Manufacturer must be manufactured. Additionally, If you don't know how a Creator or a Manufacturer came into being, it's foolishness to conclude that such manufacturer or creator does not exist based on your ignorance of how He/She came into being.

3. If you missed the entire points of my discussion, of what relevance is rephrasing the words for someone who is discussing matters that were never raised?

On your first point, you said any intelligent product must have a creator. Then in your second point you said a creator must not have a creator. So are you saying a creator is not an intelligent creation or product?
Lol. You'll committed a big fallacy of special pleading and you don't care.

SunShowAfrica:
Seen the effects before back in secondary school

Pray, tell us the effects

TenQ:
Sometimes, I wonder the kind of education people like you have.

How does the embedded software in a machine look like or better still, what are it's physical properties?

I am just curious!

Ok. Lemme break this down to kindergarten level.
I'm using my phone to chat you up on Nairaland. Now with only the phone hardware, which includes the processor, RAM, storage etc, it is not possible to chat. But with the software, in this case known as the operating system, its now possible to send commands to this software and it responds and transmits the info via the internet.
Does this not show the software is tangible?
Please refund your school fees your parents paid for your education

TenQ:
All these you felt when you breathe!?

Why are you appealing to the opinion of "experts" in the field. Did the OP appeal to anyone outside himself.

Please keep it simple. Use the exact logic of the OP.
He went to a grave, he saw nothing, felt nothing, heard nothing: his conclusion - ghosts or spirits do not exist!


Likewise:
I have been breathing, I feel nothing, saw nothing, heard nothing: my conclusion -Oxygen gas so not exist!

Deal with that!

Okay. So how are the 'experts' in the field of the supernatural providing credible evidence of the existence of the supernatural?

TenQ:
Yes, you can see softwares embedded in a machine: debunked indeed!
Boo hoo!
LOL!

Since you can see the software, what other evidence do you need?

TenQ:
Tell me, when you breathe, how did you interact with Oxygen?
What was the feeling like? Was it "pepperish" or it had a perfume kind of smell?

Lol. When one breathes oxygen, the oxygen interacts with heme and is carried to tissues to provide energy via ATP. That energy is what powers the tissues. Without oxygen, the tissues gradually die off starting from the brain cells.
I have explained this process on this thread but somehow your thick skull cannot assimilate any scientific fact. And tomorrow you'll say you understand science.

Sapasenator:
I never said Voodoo was strong, that is you setting up a straw man in your head, I only alluded to the fact that the existence of Voodoo may not be easily dismissed like some people often do and I can only talk to my own physical experience.

So basically you cannot bring evidence that in fact the dude died via the ring, right?

Badmashiii:
Some "evidence" are false and misleading that is why we have to be careful of believing something simply because there's an "evidence".

For any argument,you shall see the evidence for and against the motion online if you search for it.

Heck,some people have "evidence" that God doesn't exist,some have "evidence" that we actually evolve out of apes and not created,some have "evidence" that gender is a social construct,are you getting me?

For the avoidance of doubt, this is the definition of evidence.

Something that furnishes proof.
It also means something that can be demonstrated anytime, anywhere, and by anyone.

There is evidence we evolved from the great apes, its not hearsay. There is genetic proof. About the existence of a god, there is no evidence. The existence of a universe doesn't prove the existence of a creator, cos that would beg the question of who created that creator

SunShowAfrica:
This is explainable science since the effect is known to have come from the ring and not supernatural.

Has anyone demonstrated that one can die from the ring, apart from hearsays and anecdotes

Sapasenator:
You raised a good question, He just slumped and died on the spot immediately after his body came in contact with the ring, I was an eye witness and never separated or got involved when two people were fighting afterward. Vodoo originated from West Africa and we may need to conduct in-depth studies, it is also a possibility the guy may have had a pre-existing medical condition leading to his death, unfortunately, an autopsy was never conducted to find out the cause of death.

I grew up in a community infested with voodoo and paganism, with people always making incantations and may never be able to empirically prove some of these things but they are physical experiences that cannot be dismissed as not existing.

1. Okay, was he declared dead there or at the hospital? You didn't answer the question about the secondary impact(whether he landed with his head).The point I am trying to make is this. If he fell on his head, he may have sustained a head injury AND WOULDN'T HAVE DIED IMMEDIATELY BUT WOULD BE UNCONSCIOUS. We can manage head injuries promptly if he's presents at least 1 hr post impact.
Did anyone check his vitals to at least attempt to certify him dead, like check his central pulse, his respiration or pupillary dilation etc? Without all those vitals check, he could be unconscious from a head injury, possibly an extradural hemorrhage.
2. The veracity of voodoo is redundant. If voodoo is strong like you guys insinuate, the white man wouldn't overrun African countries. Even Haiti that is supposed to be the voodoo headquarters was easily subdued be the French. Does it mean the bullet is stronger than your supernatural jazz? The 'odieshi' if it works would have made Nigeria or Africa very powerful in terms of military strength. But guess what, we are still begging military hardware from the US. The US would have been begging us for 'odieshi' power if truly it works.
Learn to reason logically

Sapasenator:
Op, that you did not see any ghosts does not disprove or prove the existence of ghosts. If you doubt voodoo, I can take you to a place in Sango Ota where a potent oruka will be tested on you and if you remain normal afterward, I will pay you 200k. I honestly believe we are not alone in the universe, I do not believe in religion, church, or mosques but I know some experiences can't be conformed with our senses alone.

Why do you guys always have to take someone someplace to prove a point? In these days of insecurity? Why can't you prove it in Lagos where I stay? Or better still send the jazz to me?

FxMasterz:
What type of human being are you? Can't you focus on what I said instead of trying to put words in my mouth? Show me where I said everything is or was Created! My emphasis is on PURPOSE!



Irrelevant question! Who's talking to you about something that was created or not crested? You created that topic in your head! Everything that is intelligently put together to fulfil a purpose has a creator! Dispute that!


How can you understand when you keep running away from the actual topic of discourse?



Absolute nonsense! Imperfection is never a proof that there's no Creator!

1. So u r saying some stuff weren't created?
2. Is god an intelligent being? If yes, who created him/her/them/it?
3. Please rephrase that point. Telling me i keep running away is deflecting from the point

TenQ:
Since it's about the op let's limit it to what I cannot see.
I couldn't see Oxygen gas, so using the logic of the OP, Oxygen doesn't exist.

Have you seen any software in machine before? Does it mean that it doesn't exist?
There are realities that can be seen and realities that cannot be seen.

You have brought up this your false software dichotomy that we have debunked. We can interface with it in many forms

TenQ:
Sorry o!

I alluded to what I could see just as the OP judged by what he could see.

Yeah, you are right. But if OP had been touched or slapped by a ghost, he'd have believed they existed. But in this case, neither did he interface in any form with them. With oxygen, we can interact and interface with it

Sapasenator:
I believe in the existence of supernational forces even though I may not be able to offer empirical proof for my beliefs. In one instance when I was younger, I had a friend called Kabiru, He was a 100-level student of engineering at OAU at the time.

He was trying to separate fights between two individuals, one of them brought a ring (oruka), Inserted it into one of his fingers, and attempted to slap the other guy with the ring, Kabiru came in-between, was slapped on the body with the ring and he fell dead instantly.

Lets assume this is true.
Did you witness the fight? If you did, did he land with his head? Did he die immediately or on the way to hospital, or in the hospital?

Sapasenator:
Weak because you only alluded to the senses of sight. There are other physical ways oxygen can be tested and observed while there is none to back up the existence of ghosts, God, the devil, or evil. That you cannot see oxygen with your eyes is a very weak argument.

For me, I believe we are not alone and there is voodoo which is very much active, I also know there is no physical evidence for this belief so I will never attempt to debate them with op.

You contradicted yourself. If you say there are ways to evaluate oxygen, how do we evaluate voodoo

Badmashiii:
What do you mean by "evidence"? The existence or a so called "evidence " doesn't something is a fact,you dig?

I don't understand that statement. Please rephrase…

Badmashiii:
I only know how to summon and it was a trusted preacher that gave me the knowledge. You have to know how to send it back to it's realm otherwise it will be stuck with you and you don't want to know what that means.

Besides,i can't show you the demon if you mean image or something,i can only give you the rituals which you will perform youself late at the night.

Anything that comes up,you face it alone.

Either way,DM at this number 07088555036

Right. So is this number on whatsapp. I wanna take a screenshot and create a thread so as to make it public

FxMasterz:
1. So accept that the effects of creation is a proof that there was a Creator behind creation.

2. When did I say everything must be created? Even if I said so, the questions you asked are irrelevant. Ignorance of how the Creator came about or of the tools He used for His creations has nothing to do with the proof of His existence.

3. Lies. I never said your 3 heads have no effect. I said your 3 heads and your magic wand has no effect. You need to separate your one head which we see from your 3 heads and magic wand which we do not see for you to make any sense.

4. Your body can be one of the worst peace of art for all I care. Not mine. Science is amazed at the complexity and the intelligent design of the human body and the universe. The nervous system itself is such a marvel. Lying atheist, why have you not created your own piece of human body since your yeye body is the worst piece of art? Show me the body you have Created. Your faulty logic lies in the fact that imperfection itself does not disprove the existence of a Creator.

Moreover, your weak attempt to digress from the very points I made is very glaring. You couldn't counter me at all. You're just beating around the bush. I have told you that everything created has a PURPOSE. The key word here is PURPOSE. Purposeful designs that are intelligently put together. That's what you should dispute. Stop beating around the bush. Show me something that has a Purpose. Something Intelligently put together to fulfil a purpose and yet has no creator. Just show me one!

1. You keep talking from both sides of your mouth. You just said below that you didn't say everything must be created, now you are saying there is a creator.
Lemme ask you one more time. IS EVERYTHING CREATED? YES OR NO?
2. So tell me the stuffs that weren't created? And why I pointed out the source of creation is cos you christians keep saying atheists believe something came drom nothing
3. I don't even understand the point you're tryna make here
4. Lol. I don't even know how to start explaining this point to you. Lemme start with this one. Have you watched labor before? Are you aware some babies are covered in poo while coming out. Why does an intelligent designer put the entry point of all humans just beside the shit dump? Also are you aware that back pain and hemorrhoids is rampant in humans cos of our bipedal nature? Maybe you can read up some of the flaws here. https://nautil.us/top-10-design-flaws-in-the-human-body-235403/

Are you aware that humans have appendix? What do you think was the purpose? Lets start with that one before we go forward