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jumper524:
all these doesn't take away the fact that doctors now scam people.
See the way the reap of Mr IBU till he died.
Cut off his leg yet he still had complications that killed him.
With the excessive money they spent in hospital, how on earth did he had complications stills.

I've someone who you've almost destroyed with medications all in the name of treating blood pressure.
Same blood pressure my god father manage with herbs that's not expensive and he's almost doing well.
I'm certain of agbo didn't cure malaria, the treatment would be a going concern.
You turned people to cash cow and your banking on success of paid treatment.
Almost all private hospital are now adopting CS for every pregnant women.
Even govt hospital doctors are recommending multiple test that cost a lot for common malaria all in the name of proper treatment that would bring you back to hospital.
Those test can only be done on labs that would give the doctor prescription yet always your striking with massive salaries while you under pay nurses in your private hospitals.
Omo Una be thief and the world would see it someday.

Plastic surgery should never be legal but you do it in a legal way as a source of cash flow.
Thieves.

I realized you are like most Nigerians: grossly ignorant, so lemme educate you
1. Mr. Ibu's case. He had type 2 diabetes, and he was wasting time at home, NOT GETTING ANY TREATMENT, and I remember he said that he was 'jazzed' and was going from one 'jazzman' to the other. When that failed, he started going to churches, most notably Omega Power Ministries, where he was said to have been 'healed'. With all these shenanigans, he's wasting time, with major organs like the kidney shutting down gradually. And of course, he was taking some herbs that worsened his prognosis. He only got to the hospital when he was swelling and developed foot ulcer which were major symptoms of chronic kidney failure. Now once diabetic foot ulcers get to the bones, it has to be cut. Simple. If not, the sepsis, would kill him. So the foot was cut but his kidneys have already failed and he ultimately succumbed to it. There are many people that have diabetes that go to diabetic clinics daily, living their lives to the fullest. That should tell you we doctors are doing our jobs well, ONLY IF YOU PRESENT EARLY TO THE HOSPITAL. You can imagine someone that is enlightened as Mr. Ibu is still thinking diabetes is jazz.
2. Hypertension is a manageable disease. I don't know what you mean that doctors destroyed you with antihypertensives. If you feel a particular antihypertensive is bad for you, report back to your doctor/cardiologist and let him investigate or change meds. If he refuses, change docs. There are many people that are managed for hypertension and other chronic conditions til their 90s or more, especially abroad.
3. You said agbo cures malaria. Have you heard of resistant or complicated malaria? If you don't, please google them. Agbo cannot handle those, and may worsen them cos it can fvck up the kidney. Those complications can be fatal, especially in children. They can also cause miscarriage in pregnancy. So you still need doctors and hospitals.
4. We go for CS to reduce maternal mortality. If you check online, Nigeria, despite being populated by enlightened and educated folks, is one of the highest in maternal mortality. Women die in large numbers. Most times they die from avoidable causes, thus we have low threshold for CS. Also in these days of litigation, we opt for CS to prevent getting sued for maternal and fetal death
5. So going for strikes is now a problem foe you? Are you objecting to the NLC strike? If not then you are a big hypocrite. And what is massive about doctors' salaries? Do you know how much bankers etc earn? Do you know the work hazards and long hours we spend?
6. So you complain we underpay the nurses, so where do you think we should source the money to pay them more? From heaven? Or your papa pubic hair? Is it not from patients we make the money?If we increase drug, investigation and theater costs, you would be the first to rant online. Are you also aware we underpay junior doctors too, who are our own colleagues.
7. Are you aware plastic surgery is the reason people with polydactyl(multiple fingers), cleft lip/palate(hole in the mouth), disfiguring burn scars, all live normal lives? Just cos some people decide to increase their ass size doesn't make it bad. Its their body and their money. Same way you decide to buy Hummer SUV instead of Nissan SUV
THANK YOU.

FireUpNow:
Also Pharmaceutical companies too

What did pharma do?

StreetTyga:
Any sickness apart from malaria and typhoid, headache and the like of unserious illnesses... doctors and hospitals can go to hell.

Lol. This one doesn't know 'malaria and typhoid' can actually kill someone

jumper524:
is covid 19 a global medical scam yes or No?

No it isn't a scam. Have you ever been any ICU before in your life? Or do you think those dead bodies u see on tv were logs of wood?
Any other dumb questions?

yomi007k:
Ok. We don hear.

Please when you and your family members fall sick, remember all you typed here and don't seek medical help.

Stand by your words if you are a man.

Dont bother holding him to his words. I have met such folks. They'll deny such

jumper524:
Celline Dion is 56 while Jenifer Lopez is 54.
But see how one looks because she mumu herself for those scam doctors who were willing to tell her what she want to hear cos they want to rip her off her monies.

You may not beleive me, but doctors are one big set of scammers we so much believe in this world.
The covid 19 scam should be enough to make any sane person think.
All the sickness these days have no cure, only management till you kick bucket.
See how they wrecked this beautiful lady.

… and to think an innocent and dutiful doctor managed your birth, and probably would be managing you when you get older with a chronic disease. Then you would realize how important those 'scammers' are

EmperorCaesar:
Atheists would run into this thread to shout "Religion is a scam' as they've finally seen one of those dumb threads where people make mockery of xtianity with their not-really-true claims

Shame on you if this is your one of your proof for denying the existence of a Grand Designer

As for the woman....hmmm

Unfortunately the testimony giver aint an atheist. She's a christian like you, casting christianity into the mud. If she was an atheist, u would have been running your mouth

achorladey:
To you not to me.

So explain it in clear terms then

Image123:
The usual hypocrite accuses me of abuse and insult when i simply stated the facts. Where is the abuse and insult, where you've been throwing insults with reckless abandon? Is that the other reason why you deny God, so that you can abuse and insult with glee?
Is hope not a synonym of believe?
Are you not a liar and hypocrite?
Are you not a self acclaimed atheist whose family are praying for his quick salvation from destruction?
Is the devil not your dad?
Has he not devoured you?
Are these insults or facts?

Hope and believe are not synonyms
You can hope something doesn't happen. Can you believe something doesn't happen?

Image123:
Your hope is actually a belief, don't deceive you.

Belief in what?

achorladey:
The earth and the things in it does not revolve around religious people alone and is not revolving because of religious people.

Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them

Ji,ma sun le. Time and space dey under this earth for everyone to carry out activities including irreligious and religious ones. That's the reality you have to know and accept.

This post doesn't make sense, both intrinsically and extrinsically. Also its just plain gibberish

paxonel:
If you think the bible is a scam can you answer this question?
At what year in human history was the bible last documented ?

The authors of the bible aren't known. If u doubt me, ask any religious scholar or research online

Ken4Christ:
Those killing you are not Christians. Besides, you will always have fakes in the midst originals. Why focus on the fakes and ignore the originals? Jesus is still saving lives.

Same excuse Muslims use when we remind them of extremists and terrorists. And yet, u don't believe them, u still tag all those terrorists as muslims despite what other muslims tell you.
Doesn't that make u a hypocrite?

StillDtruth:
Try having some sense na!

If there is fear for what your own mate and kind .(dem no dey greater dan.you and sometimes dem no get right to exercise power over you,) can do to you and yet, you behave yourself, na so you lack common sense not to know say the fear wey Person wey dey greater than dey worse?

Even the fact say you dey complain about am, no still dey give you sense?

And do you not fear your neighbour, soldiers, kidnappers for the things they can do which you do not know or you do not see?

You even have death to escape their hand then does't common sense tells you to fear The One who kills death?

And there is no death or anything to escape His Hand?

Try have some sense to cure your stupidity!

But u r not afraid of Flying Spaghetti Monster. Why?

Honchoslim16:
Sometimes una go just come online to dey embarrass unaself.

How's Religion having anything in common with what you listed above?? 🤷🏽‍♂️ Try dey read your stuffs before you post am.

If Police/Army arrest you, you are actually going to the cell....A cell is a real place, not imaginary!

If Thief or Kidnapper kill you, you are actually going to die.... Death is a real thing, not imaginary!

If you fight your neighbour, you are actually going to get injured... Injury is a real thing, not imaginary.


Now if you don't accept Christ, you are going to Hell 😭🤣🤣🤣 where's Hell located, i guess you've been there on multiple occasions.. Or you go there on vacation with your family and friends 🤣🤣🤣🤣


Please do me a favour 👉🏽 Stop being Stüp!d!!!!

He's DTruthSpeaker. The dumbest theist ever liveth. He talks without logic, science or reality. So just ignore him

StillDtruth:
Your stupidity is everlasting. As you are, are you not living under the fear of government, police, army, kidnappers, your neighbour etc?

So u r equating christianity to kidnappers and armed robbers? Lol 😆
I knew you'd be telling the truth soon, without even knowing it

paxonel:
You must understand that the way Christianity was brought to Africa, that is how Christianity was brought to their countries too in Europe and elsewhere.
The difference is that, they were educated enough to verify every single information they get from the bible before believing it to be true, while Africans do little or no verification before believing.

Do we value quality education in this Africa at all?
No!

To verify means that you are intelligent.
Not verifying means that you are mumu, black monkey.

Now, look at the Nigerian population for example, do you see any white man living with us here?
We keep blaming people who really do not exist in our lives for our misfortunes

If u r intelligent, u'd also know the bible issa scam, and copied too. Like the Qoran

MaxInDHouse:
Hmmmmmmmmmm well those missionaries weren't true Christians but politicians in disguise that's why they are going contrary to Jesus' teachings! Matthew 10:16

Are you aware it was the same 'politicians' that ultimately brought JW to the world?

jiz:
A lazy man will not pray and praying man will not be lazy. Prayer and hardwork goes hand in hand. Prayer itself is hardwork. Even almighty USA is a country built on prayer. Because one useless show BBnaija make you popular doesn't give you audacity to doubt or discredit the power of prayer.

Please how was US built on prayer? Enlighten me

Iampromoted:
And which year was this?

Last year

dangermouse:
The best thing as a medical practitioner is to have the numbers of the the nearest police stations so as to effectively report cases like this.

Ogbeni, did you read the part I said the hotlines aren't working?
Lol 😆
These guys sef

SmallmebigGod:
don't mind them. The man Hippocrate himself and his family benefitted from honors and many free gift in the society. Many people also talk of safe life first. With what resources. You can not safe life if you don't have the equipment which you will have to buy with your own money and FG won't supply that for free to hospitals. I blame NMA for taking all the rubbish from politicians, they have also failed in public enlightenment. One silly politician will say safe life first. When most government hospitals does not even have AED and other basic things.

AED keh? Lol. U can literally count the number of AEDs in Lagos. AEDs that are even in gas stations in US/UK, with most hospitals there having them. Their layfolks can use those AEDs. But our folks here would rather shout Jesus Jesus than learn how to do CPR or use AED

dangermouse:
Did you notify police yourself while treating the patient?

Obviously you did not and that was why they arrested you.

So I should leave a patient bleeding from a stab wound in his external carotid, to look for the nearest police station by 11pm? To make matters worse, their hotlines don't work. Lol 😆
We really deserve our bad leaders

smileyoo:
am not saying you should lender him free service, read my post again.
have you never heard of some hospitals detaining their treated patients until their hospital bills were completely paid ?
i still prefer that, than allowing the patient to die, because life is precious and irreplaceable.

People should be careful of the type of society that they are advocating, because anybody could be a victim of any inhuman policy in the system hence nobody is totally immune to accidents or misfortunes.

Lol. Those patients don't even complete the bills. Several times the hospital keeps the patient, at a point the patient just relaxes and enjoys the free accommodation provided by the hospitals, and worse still, the patient is occupying bed space that another patient could have used, depriving the hospital of revenue. Las las the hospital gets tired and accepts a fraction of the bill. And of course the patient NEVER completes payment once they step out. They won't even pick up calls once its the hospital calling. Some even escape the hospital custody. Where u wan find dem?
Lol, Nigerians are really wicked

Evans20:
That why we have general hospitals
But on a serious note doctors should focus more on saving life than the money because they took and oath to save life
Government should first of all provide standard health care in general hospitals

Please can you point out the verse in the Hippocratic Oath where we swore to save lives? Or save lives on credit?

smileyoo:
the person you saved his life must surely pay his bill to you, even if there's no money with him
the family must surely be grateful to pay his bill than to carry his corpse.
imagine a person going to work but unfortunately encountered an accident, taking to the hospital, only for the hospital to be requesting for huge amount, that's obviously not with him .
why not treat him than allowing him to die, then if he default in payment, he will be prosecuted and be forced to pay the hospital ?

Obviously u r not a healthcare personnel. I'll forgive you for your ignorance.
The truth is Nigerians don't like paying up. Treat them, and when its time to pay, the stories you would hear, would make Superstory episodes. I learnt that the hard way during my NYSC. I sutured a road accident victim who had scalp lacerations. This woman begged me that she didn't have money and was traveling, that her sister would bring money when she visits. When the sis came, she said no money and started begging. I got only one quarter of the money. This was in 2008. I was a corper doc and fresh into the world of Nigerian populace scamming. I have had other instances but I learnt. Nigerians are heartless

ungara17:
Just today, I was referred to see a consultant Neurologist at General Hospital Odan Lagos. When I get there I register and collect my card. I climbed to first floor MOPD to locate NEUROLOGY Unit. I gave the health recorder in the unit my referral letter, he register and book me to come on 3/9/2024.
I asked why 3rd September, he said that is when the neurologist can see me because they are other patients on queue and neuro clinics is once in a week. Me that needs urgent attention. I left straight to a private hospital.
Imagine the worsening health sector.

There are not many neurologists, thanks to the japa syndrome. So take your grouse to the government that doesn't care about your healthcare by paying doctors peanuts

dangermouse:
Standard procedure would be to commence treatment immediately and then informing or inviting the the police when the patient is stabilised.

Was once bitten on the arm by an angry dog around Ikeja and was to rushed to the Naval hospital nearby.
Treatment was immediately commenced. Questions were asked due to the wound resembling a bullet wound. One gory hole at the front of my arm and another at the back. Looked just like a an entry and exit wound from a bullet.

The police was informed and an investigation was quickly carried out while I was being stitched up.

The Alsatian nearly also bit one of the police man who went on the investigation.

Hospitals should learn this and save lives of unfortunate Nigerians Abeg.

I was a victim of this.
Policemen came to my clinic to arrest me cos I treated a stab wound patient(not even gunshot) without getting a clearance. Stab wound. This was in Anume Clinic, Eleme, Port Harcourt
So please take up your grouse with the police and leave us alone

blowjohn:
I agree completely.
At the same time, FG should also make it mandatory that emergency patients also carry money along to the hospital.

I have see many people, both male and female who would rather spend money on alcohol/woman or hair than spend on their health.


I was involved in one recently.
This guy, apparently, had gone to flex with a girl he just met and aside the cigarette, weed he smokes, must have taken some other drugs too.

Was leaving a hotel when he stumbled in and immediately lay on the cold floor.
He was coming from a hospital where he was asked to pay some amount which he didn't oblige to.

I read the referral letter and noticed his breathing had siezed for about an hour and his SPO2 was 75 percent.

So he need urgent help.

Oya do u have funds? He kept saying he has money in his crypto account.
His friend kept trying to make me me attend to him that they will pay later.

I asked him if it's air I'll used to administer salbutamol.


To cut the long story short: these guys had hundreds of thousands hiding somewhere as I discovered the day after. In fact they checked into a hotel of 20k per night the next day.

Case 2: a lady called me to complain about lumps on her breasts. I told her to go see a consultant in a certain hospital. Also told her to take some money , like 30k.

She shouted that it's too much.
So I kept quiet.
Then I called her back and asked her if she knows anything about breast cancer. She said no. I told her that God forbid the lumps are cancerous, the red Toyota Camry, the house she lives in, and her dry cleaning business will be like nonsense to her.


U see, I think people have a very hard time understanding that money is nonsense when a Heath threat is involved.

U rush to the hospital for help and u cannot pay. For what nw?


As for doctors and nurses who won't attend to emergency cases, they shud be dealt with decisively and the hospital sanctioned.

Most a times, the reason why we don't treat emergencies is cos they don't like paying. Advanced countries have health insurance. Instead of you guys to hold your government and ask for good health insurance, you want the hospitals to treat you free. Clowns

greens:
So after the patient is treated and he refused or can't pay the bill, and 10 patients do it like that, the hospital who will pay staffs and pay for the drugs should just forget? Is that how you run your own business?

Thats a typical Nigerian. They want the hospitals to treat them free. I asked one of those clowns if he has ever given a doctor free food or money, and they closed their dirty mouths

MaxInDHouse:
What if you don't pray for safety?

I don't pray for safety, and yet, here I am. So I don't get your point

Image123:
i did not say that it will not work, i did not even talk about it, lol. God is unlimited, He may just answer. However, the Biblically prescribed option with example and experience has been stated- faith with works.

How do you know options B and C actually work? Do you have DEMONSTRABLE examples?