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Bossdave:
Is there anyone who could be called Everlasting Father or Almighty God except God Himself? Tell me who could be so called and why such an individual apart from God could be called Almighty God, Everlasting Father.

If you don't know who was manifest in the flesh, check all scriptures preceding 1 Timothy 2:16. The One who was manifest in the flesh is the same One born of a woman in Isaiah 9:6. These scriptures corroborate themselves.

Starz825:
see guy...no need for argument...

I'm not a believer cos someone told me about Jesus or trinity....

I had a personal encounter with thy Lord JESUS in 2010....I was just 15+

so it's not just all about what pastors or anyone say or do.....

JESUS IS REAL and HE'S GOOD ....

If believing in JESUS/TRINITY is wrong...I don't wanna be right

GreatAchiever1:
Did you even look up the John Gill commentary, it wasn't implied that Jesus is the created archangel Michael but an eternal one, signifying with the name Michael meaning "who is as God".
You guys believe that Michael the Archangel is literally Christ.
But Michael the Archangel is a type of Christ and not Jesus Himself. Jesus wasn't Created.

Every Angel is a creature, likewise the archangel Jesus Christ.
John Gill is desperate to cleave to Trinity dogma.
His belief in Trinity would be shattered if he ACCEPTS the Bible's teaching about angels.



The million dollar question is:
Why would the same ghost be giving conflicting information to TRINITARIANS?

Vinnie2000:
The Mod that brought this Thread to FP is Unintelligent! 🙁

The OP made a Post and some Religious Fanatics Derailed it!😕

Even the OP could not call them to Order!

Well, Jehovah witnesses love SECULAR NAIJA and AMERICAN Songs
Because that's what they have been PROGRAMMED to Listening to, from Childhood.😏😕

They are Taught that Every other CHURCH DENOMINATION is practicing False Christianity, hence Songs from them are UNGODLY/UNCHRISTIAN!🙁😒.

HISSCRIBE1995:
They don't believe in the holy spirit as a person,
They claimed the word is "IT" (instead of "HE" )claimed the holy spirit was a or is a force (correct me please if I am wrong) .

However christ himself talking about the Holy Spirit said John 16:13-15
[13]However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
[14]He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you.
[15]All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you.

Christ called him "HE" he didn't call it "IT".
But if you have "HE" translated in your bible as "IT" What will be your excuse for doing that?

Romans 8:16,26 spirit ITSELF. KJV.


Greek Paracletos (Advocate) is a masculine noun.
Jesus Christ personified holy spirit as 'Paracletos because Paracletos is masculine,HE in Greek.
The same manner Jesus personified Wisdom as having children.

Jesus Christ says holy spirit is God's finger, In Luke and Matthew's gospel.

Is your finger a person?
God has eyes,hands/finger.
God's finger, eyes,ears can not be a person.

John 20:22, Jesus breathed holy spirit into the disciples.
Did Jesus breath a person into them?

Una too like FALSEHOOD jare.

Starz825:
the father, the son and the Holy spirit is one person playing diff roles

just as a man...
you play the role of a brother to your siblings , son to your parent, hubby to ur wife, father to your children, a provider to family...you are the same person but diff roles

pseudonomer:
You people believe Jesus Christ is Angel Michael…

John 1:1-5, then 14. It might help you understand the relationship Jesus Christ and God the Father has.

wizelink:
If you do not want them in your house, just ask them to pray before whatsoever they want to do, then most no dey gree and you too go tell them to leave your house.

Olichoke:
From my experience, Jehovah witnesses are not christians but another religion with their own Bible different from the normal Bible that we all know.

HISSCRIBE1995:
1 John 5:7,9
[7]For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
[9]If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is the witness of God which He has testified of His Son.

The Bible said the three are one, then why have you chosen not to believe what the Bible said?
The holy spirit himself had also called himself "third person of the God head" in a testimony of a convert from islam

ufotunang:
I think they do their church worship service on Saturday but not on Sunday...

ufotunang:
They do.not celebrate Christmas and new year

Bossdave:
Can you tell me why Isaiah 9:6 described the Messaiah as the Everlasting Father, the Almighty God?

"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. 7 Of the greatness of his government and peace there will be no end.

@ Isaiah 9:6, did your Bible say Jesus is Almighty God?
Not at all.
@ Isaiah 9:6, did your Bible says " he will be called ?"
Was Jesus called "Everlasting Father" in the time of prophet Isaiah?
No!
Isaiah's expression 'he will be called' is a futuristic terms which came to fulfilment after Jesus ransom sacrifice for our sins when he became the last Adam,1 Corinthians 15:22, 45 NLT,by giving life to all sinful children of Adam whom Adam gave death., Romans 5:12.
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Bossdave:
Or tell me why 1Timothy 2:16 refers to the same Son spoken of by Isaiah as God manifest in the flesh?

"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

Bossdave:
There's the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. The three are the one and self same Person.

This is man made indoctrination.
The creed of Nicene.
Oga, you earlier lied when I brought this up yesterday.
You are a confirmed polytheist Worshipping 3 deities.

Bossdave:
Please talk about the verses I posted to you. I'm not here for fruitless arguments. I can give you a run for your money taking you from scripture to scripture and even burying you alive with the same scriptures you're quoting but that would not be an orderly discourse. I've posted you just 2 verses of scripture, answer the questions related to them. Infact, I want you to also tell me why Thomas referred to Jesus as 'My Lord and my God' after His resurrection without Jesus rebuking Him.

waldigit:
Matthew 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

johnw47:
Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorn bushes under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool

2Ch 7:14  and My people who are called by My name humble themselves and pray and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

lost fraud jw janosky

Jehovah is talking about the 12 tribes know as Israel
Jehovah never called Israel Jehovah's witnesses,
Jehovah told Israel that they are His witnesses
Jehovah had already named those people "Israel", [/b]passed on from Jacob's

Gen_32:28  He said, "Your name shall no longer be Jacob, but Israel; for you have striven with God and with men and have prevailed."

[b]Isaiah 43:1,10 (ASV)
But now thus saith Jehovah that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel: Fear not, for I have redeemed thee; I have called thee by thy name, thou art mine.

10 Ye are my witnesses, saith Jehovah, and my servant whom I have chosen; that ye may know and believe me

Dishonest JohnW LYING, faithless miscreant.

Sand2022:
I stumbled unto this page in the Finished Mystery of Jehovah's Witnesses that spoke of what Russell believed. The book says:

"... We affirm that the Word (Logos) was made flesh—became the Babe of Bethlehem—thus becoming the Man Jesus, ‘holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners.’ As we affirm the humanity of Jesus, we equally affirm the Divinity of Christ—‘God also hath highly exalted Him, and given Him a name above every name.’ (Heb. 7:26; Phil. 2:9.)

“We acknowledge that the personality of the Holy Spirit is the Father and the Son; that the Holy Spirit proceeds from both, and is manifested in all who receive the begetting of the Holy Spirit and thereby become sons of God. (John 1:12; 1 Pet. 1:3.)"

Finished Mystery page 71 and 72.

We can notice that even the holy spirit was not believed to be active force, but manifested in the Father and Son.

Is Charles Russell infallible?

John 17:7, what did Jesus have that he did not receive?

Jesus breathed holy spirit (given by his God) into the disciples, John 20:22.
Jesus Christ did not breath a person into the disciples.
Oga, are you learning something?

Sand2022:
Yet God supposedly used him for believing what JWs today will call falsehood. No wonder they no longer print such book and is not even in their library.

Sand2022:
I stumbled unto this page in the Finished Mystery of Jehovah's Witnesses that spoke of what Russell believed. The book says:

"... We affirm that the Word (Logos) was made flesh—became the Babe of Bethlehem—thus becoming the Man Jesus, ‘holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners.’ As we affirm the humanity of Jesus, we equally affirm the Divinity of Christ—‘God also hath highly exalted Him, and given Him a name above every name.’ (Heb. 7:26; Phil. 2:9.)

Emusan:
Religion of lies and deceits.

Bossdave:
You're the one deceiving yourself. I live by the Bible. Not by a Creed.

achorladey:
Obviously she didn't say God's names is watchman. This is the main issue...



Janosky what is your assignment? Here is your Isaiah 43:10


Mom007 made a good point and you decided to try and manipulate it yet you are still emphasising the point she made.

No one called you Jehovah’s witnesses as a name,

Mom007:
Your Bible, my bible.. you sound brainwashed and aggressive.
Anyway, continue quoting. I too know want to finish una yet you know nothing.

MaxInDHouse:
You are just one out of thousands of Nairalanders yet only you have dropped over 30 threads against ONLY Jehovah's Witnesses!

Ọmọ there's no need for further evidences!

MightySparrow:
So you hate any group gathering in the name of Jesus, right?

Bossdave:
No wonder!!

In 2001, I was in a gathering where I was supposed to minister. A woman who was a convert from JW mounted the podium before me to address
the congregation. The first words that came out of her mouth was 'You know we worship three Gods...' After she dropped the mic, it was my turn to minister, and the first thing I did was to correct that errorneous declaration. I now understand why she spoke that way. That was the lie they told them when they were in those kingdom halls.

The Trinity is a 'He' and not a 'They'. To this, all Christians worldwide agree. There's no disputation about that. We serve only one God. Not 3. Please stop the blasphemy and the falsehood.

HISSCRIBE1995:
If it concerns no body (among men) does it concern the God you worship?

If the God you claim to worship has no problem with your listening to a secular song(some of which are sang by occultsts, and even glorified women, money, fame, sex, cars, houses alcohol, weed, violent. etcetera) ,)

HISSCRIBE1995:
then how much more a song that Brings glory to his name even though the singer might not be a Jehovah's witness members.

Think about this sir without sentiment (for the salvation of your own soul)

Bossdave:
Pathetic indeed.

Someone created a thread earlier that established that their founder actually believed in the Trinity before founding their organization. MaxinDHouse argued that he had such belief before he knew the truth. That sounds logical but the lie is quickly detected by the fact that the Trinity the JW founder believed in before he founded JW was a 'He' and not a 'They' as seen in all his writings about Trinity. There wasn't a time he referred to the Trinity as 'They'. But, the moment he founded his occult organization, he began to misrepresent the Trinity and sell the idea to his gullible members as polytheism. Meanwhile, he knew that Trinitarians are monotheists. At least we know that from his writings.

I just pray that these people whom he has deceived would find mercy of God to deliver their souls from perdition.

Emusan:
Where did Moses and all the prophets say they are members of Jehovah's ORGANISATION?

Emusan:
[s]JaNosense the misinformed hallgoer miscreant.
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But your deluded brother says these are OLD LAW for the Israelites Deu 18:22.

Emusan:
This is why I do say you people don't have indepth knowledge of the scripture yet claiming to be verse in it.

Jesus didn't TAKE INHERITED SIN AWAY.

Did Jesus TAKE INHERITED SIN AWAY from babies?


Emusan ozuo pro max

achorladey:
Being righteous is not by membership in your religious organization

So na wash be all this Jehovah’s organization this, Jehovah’s organization that

Cc: Emusan come and see criteria for being righteous


I wonder what the kind of lies and manipulations the image below as it concerns your position above

Achorladey FAITHLESS miscreant.

"Believe in JEHOVAH and believe in his prophets."
2 Chronicles 20:20.

" The Israelites put faith in Moses and put faith in JEHOVAH God", Exodus 14:31.

Are Moses and the prophets members of JEHOVAH'S organisation?