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Emusan:
The Disciples did flip flops.

Then is Watchtower doing flip flops too?

Always come straight JaNosense

Emusan:
I know it will choke him.

You can boldly say Peter was wrong, early Christians made false predictions, Prophets made false predictions e.t.c

But when it comes to your own organisation, you go mute.

So why is so difficult for you to say Watchtower actually made false predictions (because that was the reason you're looking for example in the Bible to support your delusional claim) and since they are not perfect they'll will still make false predictions?


Oponu JaNosense

Sand2022:
It is revealing how you insult Jesus apostles because you want to protect human organization. Your interpretation of that was wrong. Even if it was true, it's not a spirit led flip flop. Try again.

1 Corinthians 13:9 "our knowledge is not complete."

You are WAILING upandan about JWs,

Even the disciples dey do flip flops, John 16:16-18.

Emusan:
So in a simple term.

Watchtower makes false predictions and they'll still continue to make false predictions, correct?

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achorladey:
The voice of Jesus is the 9 GODS of men housed in USA.

The 9 GODS of men said they are not inspired, infallible and are filled with ERRORS in doctrinal matters and organization direction. The words of YOUR 9 GODS are not found in 2 Timothy 3:16



Janosky aka JaNosense the mumu and no get sense peddling peddler you are always at liberty to kepp peddling wailings and sifia pains like the wolves in sheep clothing you are behind the keyboard

MUMU WAILER

1 Corinthians 13:9
"Our knowledge is incomplete"

Paul the apostle was inspired.
Is Paul's knowledge complete and perfect?

WOKE Ozuo DECEIVING HIMSELF.

Sand2022:
You have not mentioned any flipflop by the apostles, neither have you shown them accusing the holy spirit for any wrong understanding like you guys do. Let me show you how your Founder Russell saw flipflop. He says:

"If we were following a man undoubtedly it would be different with us; undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another and that which was light one or two or six years ago would be regarded as darkness now;… But with God there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning, and so it is with truth; any knowledge or light coming from God must be like its author. A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth. "New Light" never extinguishes older "light" but adds to it…" Zion's Watch Tower 1881 Feb pp.3,188

So your leader, whom you say God used above other church leaders says that the situation that your religion now found itself aka flipflop is an evidence of human followership. That for God, never can there be flipflop.

I concur with your leader. Unfortunately, you now call the so called God ordained leader a false teacher.

John 20:24-27
@ first,Did Thomas believe Jesus resurrected?

Did Corinthian brethren believe Jesus resurrected?

Matthew 26:31-35,69-75, Did the disciples make FALSE predictions?

Did the disciples correct,amend their ways?

Oga, if you want to WAIL about this, please continue.

Proverbs 24:16 & 1 Corinthians 15:12 & 1 Corinthians 13:9,Oga REMOVE am from your Bible, Mr Perfect.

achorladey:
Readjust and reform into lies and manipulations. The voice of Jesus equals your 9 GODS and Jesus needs his voice to be reformed and readjusted to suit your fraud of doctrines and organization direction.

The many lies and manipulations packed into your no get sense and Mumu peddling brains

Sand2022:
Your founder claimed that other christians were rejected because of false teaching, on what basis was Russell then chosen?

If he is fallible, why act and attack other doctrines as if he is not fallible? You see the situation it has left him. He has become a false teacher he accuses others of.

Sand2022:
Jehovah is not reforming your doctrines, that's the mistake you guys make. You are searching to understand the bible like other scholars do. [/b]Remove Jehovah from that so that you don't blaspheme. Flip flops that exist in your doctrines is just the evidence that Jehovah is not involved at all. Using your intellect to want to understand a scriptural point isn't wrong, that's what your org do, don't accuse God and His spirit.

God doesn't reform and counter-reform someone.

[b]2 Timothy 3:16

All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right."

2 Timothy 3:16 PROVEN evidence that your opinion is built on quick sand

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Sand2022:
You don't need to go far to understand what Russell meant. The word "divinity" in his article of faith has "" in capital.

Secondly, notice the "he" after that. The "h" is also in capital.

Sand2022:
However, see the clear meaning at Rev 17:
18 And the woman whom you saw [b]means the great city that has a kingdom over the kings of the earth.”
[/b]


When arguing Rev 20;13-15, the witnesses usually says that Lake of fire means the second death because that is what the verse said, but they now came to Rev 17:18, they saw [b]means, they gave it rather another meaning when the bible has already told us the meaning.[/b]

If you want to teach another, no wahala, but don't just keep condemning other religions for your imperfect doctrine. You may just be wrong and you don't know.

Sand2022:
The witnesses say that Babylon the Great in the book of revelation stands for all false religions. In other words, all religion that is not Jehovah's witnesses are under the title Babylon the Great. They say these because the bible condemn Babylon for their spiritistic practices.

However, see the clear meaning at Rev 17:
18 And the woman whom you saw means the great city that has a kingdom over the kings of the earth.”

Simply put, it means the the Great City, but this city has a kingdom over the kings of the earth. It is not even a world empire as supposed by the witnesses. It is a city. It is possible that a city can have influence over other nations. Was it not what the ancient city of Babylon did? Mind you, Babylon was still standing as at this time John wrote this. How do you know if this verse is not about Babylon? There is admittedly differences of opinion here. Many scholars see this city as Rome. Some say it's Jerusalem. Iam not arguing for anyone. We can't be dogmatic.

Sand2022:
Flip flop among the apostles? I mean moving from doctrine A to B and then returning to doctrine A? Where in the bible did you ever see such a thing among the apostles? Show me.

2. The few areas the apostles misunderstood Jesus words, they didn't say the holy spirit was gradually leading them to the truth. It was purely their imperfect human understanding. However, the JWs don't see it that way, they rather accuse the holy spirit for gradually taking them through one error to another. That's blasphemy.

And don't forget the point being made. What Russell believed about the holy spirit was not caused by Christendom, neither was Christendom the architect of Pyramid of Gizeh, Bathsarim, 1925, 1914, 1975 etc. Now you're saying Jesus led you to those errors. Don't accuse Christendom.

Sand2022:
Thirdly, your leader Russell claimed that he did an independent search for truth aside from the creed of his time. He said he brings out a topic, then goes through all the scriptures to check what it says, then when they arrive at a conclusion consistent with the bible, they adopt it. Bros isn't that what you guys claim happened? So why are you saying that you're being led away from false teachings of Christendom again? The 6 bible students that met to research this matters, did any church send a representative to that group? Were they not the ones that reached their conclusions themselves? Guy wake up. You shouldn't accept any excuse they tell you. Think up.

Prophets Samuel and Nathan heard directly from God.
Did God tell Nathan to inform king David to do "whatever his heart tells him to do" to build Jehovah's temple?

Did JEHOVAH tell Samuel that Eliab was JEHOVAH'S anointed?

Did Joseph Rutherford tell you he is perfect and infallible?

Pastorpreneurs who drink tea & converse with their deities also mishear too.

Sand2022:
Let me give you example of flip flop;

Russell believed that the Superior Authority was the Government (doctrine A). Christendom had arrived at that teaching long before then.

Later, during Rutherford's reign, he now said that the Superior Authorities were only Jehovah and Jesus. (Doctrine B)

Now your church teach that the Superior Authorities refer to the Governments (a return to Doctrine A)

If that is an evidence of holy spirit leading, sorry for you.

fman:
you are the delusion
Am throwing tantrums.

Sand2022:
What you need to know is that many Jehovah's witnesses don't even know what their organization teach. Trust me on this. Few that I have met here on nairaland is one example of this. If you know there teaching so we'll, you will know they don't even know what their Governing Body reach.

Some witnesses don't know the difference between secular christian songs and liturgical songs. There organization condemns liturgical songs, that's what they prohibit. They do not prohibit secular Christian songs like the one sang by Chinwo, Sinach, Frank Edward etc. But even many of their church leaders don't know this. The same way most of them don't know their organization don't prohibit beard. All they need to be careful about is only the lyrics.

Their organization will be happy if they play those gospel song more than the secular non christian pop they play and dance shamelessly.

However, their members are worldly deep within.

Myer:
Even other songs that praise God without allusion of Trinity?
Would you not consider that an act of self-righteousness?

You like wise share your books/journals to non-JW as evangelism but do not collect from them. Sincerely curious as to why?

Emusan:
Paul, called to be an apostle+ of Christ Jesus by God’s will, and Sosʹthe·nes our brother - NWT

Where does one line of thought appear in 1 Corin 1:1?

And if you mistakingly add verse 2 you're gonnas

And your god now said you can call them WEREY waooooo

Myer:
John.3.5 - Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

John.3.6 - That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Here Jesus explicitly let's us know that we are flesh and spirit once we are born again.

Myer:
Do you realise even you are a spirit?

BenedictAbajue:
John 5:18
For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father", does that mean making Himself equal with God.

BenedictAbajue:
Philippians 2:6
Although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped

Please go & read Mounce Greek interlinear of Philippians 2:6 & stop DECEIVING YOURSELF.

Then,You will understand that your own Phillipians 2:6 was doctored by TRINITARIAN mentors.
More so, 1 Corinthians 11:3, did Paul teach equality with God?

BenedictAbajue:
In the New Testament of the Bible, there are several verses in which Jesus alludes to his equality with God. Here are a few examples:

John 10:30 (NIV): "I and the Father are one."

BenedictAbajue:
John 14:9 (NIV): "Jesus answered: 'Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?"

BenedictAbajue:
John 5:17-18 (NIV): "In his defense Jesus said to them, 'My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.' For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God."

[quote author=BenedictAbajue post=126162768]You see this bolded one ehn...if you say Jesus is not God then you are the same as the Jews who hated Jesus and wanted to kill him for so-called blasphemy

elated177:
This unending discourse is fruitless. You are never going to agree or accept. I am never going to agree or accept the views of your group on this issue. So, I will maintain my path and tenaciously hold on to what the Spirit of Truth, the Spirit of YHVH Almighty, the Creator of heaven and earth, the one and only true God, has taught me. Be free to hold on to the views of your group.

You may be right, janosky. Jesus is not God Almighty. Yahushua the Messiah is God Almighty. Rocket science is a walk in the park where comprehending the mysteries of the Kingdom of YHVH Almighty is. The Wisdom of YHVH Almighty is required.

You have not been paying attention, janosky. Yahushua the Messiah is the embodiment of the Ten Commandments of YHVH Almighty.

KingRoiz:
Even you as a human being, you are tripartite - Body, Soul and Spirit. How much more the God who made you.
That in Genesis said, "Let US make man....". Us na singular?

What is God himself teaching you at Job 38:4-7 & Hebrews 1:2?

Oga, go & learn.

KingRoiz:
Their Cut& Join book- bible is reconstructed to exclude realities of Jesus and the true essence of Faith in Christ. So they feel comfortable going to a herbalist for cure but don't believe that Jesus Christ can heal or do miracles if you have faith in God.

They believe Jesus is Angel Michael
They believe in many funny things..
But I like their zeal for their beliefs although fake... Anyways it's common to cults, they are deeply dedicated to what they believe sha...

Why is the same ghost giving kingRoiz & his TRINITARIAN mentors conflicting information about archangel Michael in the screenshot?
Martin Luther nah cult?
Baptist Pastor,Charles Spurgeon nah cult?

Your IBERIBEISM strong sha.

MaxInDHouse:
If your question is REASONABLE it must surely have an answer Sir!

spiralwedge:
I didn’t want to comment on this thread but now i have to.

Erasmus lived in the mid 1400s. The scriptures have long existed before him. The manuscripts of the New Testament were originally written in Koine Greek and he had no influence whatsoever on the earliest scripts found. He worked primarily on interpretation of the New Testament topics and made commentaries.
All original Christian doctrines have verses scattered in the scriptures written by various people at different times validating one another.
Christian cults like JW like to take one verse out of context to dissent, just like Muslims. The Bible is studied and understood when taken as a whole and put in context. It is also understood by experience, nobody can give you that experience. That’s why it is not for everybody.

Countermars:
Christianity is filled with hypocrisy but from my observations, Jehovah witness tops the chart in deception. God is merciful that's why he gave his son Jesus to atone for our sins. Jesus said father forgive them for they know not what they do. Dying for us made him the second in trinity. His name was exalted above all other names. God manifest his presence through the third trinity, the holy spirit

Emusan:
"so that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him." John 5:23 - NWT

In case you don't understand this scripture, just walk up to any elder in your Hall, then tell the elder, today begin to honour me JUST AS you honour Jehovah.

Let's see how it will go. Don't forget to do video also

Oteneaaron:
Oya, deny the above evidence.

There is plenty more from where that came from.

mtngloetiartel:
I will let the bible speak here
: At a meeting of the governing body in the year 49, the disciple James said: “Symeon [Peter] has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name.” (Acts 15:14) This new “people for his name” included Jewish and non-Jewish Christians whom God formed into one nation. (Romans 11:25, 26a) Later, Peter wrote: “You were once not a people, but now you are God’s people.” Peter explained the purpose of this new nation by saying: “You are ‘a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession, that you should declare abroad the excellencies’ of the One who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.” (1 Peter 2:9, 10)

ALL this nah WAILING

In your own Bible did the Corinthian brethren teach that Jesus did not resurrect?

In your own Bible, did Thomas believe that Jesus Christ resurrect until Jesus persuaded him?

Did Samuel the prophet give a FALSE anointing in your Bible?

Just as Thomas adjusted his beliefs about Jesus resurrection, JWs have readjusted to conform with JEHOVAH'S standards as the Corinthian brethren readjusted themselves, 2 Corinthians 13:9,11.

Till tomorrow,Pastor kumuyi your 3 deities anointed is still doing reforms.

Your gods of men are still mishearing from your 3 deities.

Make una continue WAILING about JWs.

Mpanyi:
Meaningless 'how comes'

The lessons of 1 Corinthians 15:12 & the lessons of Samuel's mistake is "meaningless" to FAITHLESS miscreants like you, Romans 15:4.

Carry your Mumu outta the thread.


But study the screenshots of your gods of men.

maestroferddi:
You are brainwashed by practitioners of "another" gospel...

If I take time to lecture you on the mystery of the Trinity, you will leave Jehovah's Witnesses and run for your life...

Oga, you can't even CHANGE ANYTHING Jesus Christ said in Revelation 3:12 & John 20:17.

Oga, leave your delusion in the dustbin.

Emusan:
Do they say Jesus teach them that there's no resurrection of the dead?

Jesus sent Paul because He knows what they are teaching is not from Him.

So who did Jesus send to Watchtower for correction?



Thomas doubted base on his own human understanding.

Thomas never claimed God told him that Jesus is not resurrected.



Samuel made the ERROR base on his OWN HUMAN KNOWLEDGE and God corrected that immediately.

Samuel never said God to him it was this person before that.

Stop this nonsense for defending fraud.

JWs claimed they are the MOUTHPIECE OF JEHOVAH and they never taught anything base on Human knowledge but Jehovah feeds His sheeps.

Just the question that the OP asked and you people ran away from.

"If God is making corrections today in your midst, who is making the mistakes?"



The deluded misinformed hallgoer miscreant

Why you're interested in foolishness and lies.

maestroferddi:
With which Bible translation?


If you use a proper Bible translation, you will leave Jehovah Witnesses...

You don't keep yourself under heretical manipulation like The New World Translation and hope to see the truth...

In any case, it is your choice...

No-one needs to be a professor of theology to know that Jehovah's Witnesses is a heretical sect...