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SIRTee15:
What is shikenah glory.
For context read Exodus 33.17-23

jmoore:
Do they confess to their priests?

Do they mention the sin they did?

Those that are still fornicating, do they confess to the priests that they had premarital sex with someone?

johnw47:
lost fraud jw janosky

matthew 12:28 is about Jesus casting out demons by the Spirit of God,
luke 11:20 is about Jesus casting out demons by the finger of God,

which you say is Jesus casting out demons by the Holy Spirit,
i say more specifically is about Jesus casting out demons by the power of the Holy Spirit
which is of course correct, you must think Jesus cast out demons by the weakness of the Holy Spirit
you are so dum, aren't you.

johnw47:
post the quotes where i lied and twisted the Holy scriptures, oh cannot stop lying false accuser:

johnw47:
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Rev_12:10  And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

johnw47:
The trouble with you false jw's is you believe The Holy Spirit is power and not a Person,
the verse you mentioned shows that The Holy Spirit is not power but has power:

Rom 15:13  Now may the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, so that you will abound in hope by the power of the Holy Spirit

johnw47:
Ecclesiastes 7:6
For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool


yes in your confusion you say something right for once,
God's finger/the Holy Spirit is very powerful:

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

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johnw47:
truly lost fraud jw janosky

the finger of God is referring to the power of the Holy Spirit:

Rom_15:13  Now may the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, so that you will abound in hope by the power of the Holy Spirit.

most dum one, Jesus cast out demons by the finger of God/by the power of the Holy Spirit in Him:

Luk 11:20 "But if I cast out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.


you not only false teacher/liar like your daddy, you false accuser like him too:

Rev_12:10  Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night.



duh, the Holy Spirit has power
finger of God is referring to the power of the Holy Spirit



not full stop at all most dum one, more specifically: the finger of God is referring to the power of the Holy Spirit




[s]false teacher:
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.


false jw's are: false teachers, false prophets, false accusers, etc[/s].

@ Luke 11:20 & Matthew 12:28, Stop DECEIVING YOURSELF and twisting the holy scriptures, was "power of the holy spirit" written there in Luke's and Matthew's gospel?

LYING dullard DECEIVING himself.

Romans 15:13 "power of the holy spirit = the power of the finger of God, @ Luke 11:20 & Matthew 12:28.
Jesus Christ PROVEN that @ Luke 11:20 & Matthew 12:28.

God's finger carrying enormous extraordinary unlimited power.
You either get it or forget about it.

SIRTee15:
I don hear u if u no wan hear bible own.
Abi no be Isaiah 42.8 dey make u para.
Being a Unitarian Christian is very much fine by me. Trust me.
Don't waste your energy barking at the wrong tree.

FreedomfromtheT:
In the context of our discussion, you are both wrong.
We are not discussing all humans in general.
We started with the reasons why some people hate Deeper Life members.
Then we came to whether a Christian can be free from sin or not.
The Jehovah's Witnesses as represented by the two of you claimed that all including the Christian is a sinner since everyone will still die.
The born again preaching Churches including the Deeper Christian Life Ministry which I represent here disagree with you based on Scriptures and logic.
Christ was born to save (those who will eventually become) His people from their sins Mathew 1:21.
He that committed sin is of the devil (1st John 3:.
Without holiness (freedom from sin and practically life of purity), no person will see the Lord (Hebrews 12:14).
So if everyone remains a sinner even after Christ's death, then His sacrifice would have been in vain (God forbid).
If everyone is a sinner including Christians, then all, including Christians, belong to the devil (what an absurdity)!
If all are sinners, then noone will see God eventually.
So it is clear that you Jehovah's Witnesses are so wrong.
The unfortunate thing is that in your conceit, you claim you are the only Christians (yet sinners) and that you alone know the truth (that cannot set you free) and many people follow you!
This regrettably, fulfills the Scriptures in Mathew 23:15.
The glad tiding is that it is not too late for you and your misled proselytes as long as you are yet breathing.

SIRTee15:
U still don't get it. Being a Unitarian Christian is fine by me. Just dont be dishonest.

However read Isaiah 42.8 to have insight into those verse u quoted.

SIRTee15:
Even at that he left out the 'reflection of God's glory'
It's nice u standing up for your brother in JW, but he's still not right. Except u telling me the JW bible translation doesn't have that part.

SIRTee15:
Don't worry about it. MaxInDHouse already explained on your behalf.
Not that I accept his explanation ,but as I said I don't argue about inter Christian doctrinal differences.
I pray the truth finds u.

MaxInDHouse:
As a perfect human like Adam {1Corinthians 15:45} Jesus is the radiance of God's glory {John 14:9} had it been that Adam didn't fail in his own test against Satan we won't need Jesus at all on this planet because Adam was made in the likeness of God {Genesis 1:26} that's why God's word said all humans who are supposed to be radiance of God's glory have fallen short of God's glory due to sin inherited from Adam {Romans 3:23} so don't let anyone deceive you with letters Jesus is God's son just as Adam is God's son! Luke 3:38

SIRTee15:
Heb 1.3

The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.

Why did u omit the highlighted, because u uncomfortable with the truth. That's forgery and coming from a Christian says a lot about your belief and your person.

God bless u and I pray he opens your eyes to the truth because u far from it.

@ John 17:7,22,is Jesus Christ teaching SirTee that Jesus radiance (reflection) of God's glory is a gift GIVEN to Jesus?
Yes indeed.

Oga, did not now see that your claim is not true because Jesus said he GIVES the same glory of Hebrews 1:3 to the disciples?

You alleged that Hebrews 1:3 validate your claim. Oga, do you now agree that your claim on Hebrews 1:3 makes the disciples God too as revealed by Jesus Christ@ John 17:7,22,24?
Jesus glory @ Hebrew 1:3= John 17:7,22,24.

Trinity na scam jare

SIRTee15:
I won't allow u distort a bible verse and get away with it.
Heb 1.3

Oga, why are you throwing tantrums?
I paraphrased Hebrews 1:3, I didn't make any word for word quotation of the verse.

There is NOTHING distorted in my comment.
Your claim is NOT TRUE.

SIRTee15:
On Hebrew 1, u stopped at verse 2, what happened to verse 3. U staring the truth at the face and u shouting someone else is adding to the scripture. They really did u strong thing in that Jehovah witness.

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SIRTee15:
It's obvious where your problem is coming from. So I can't blame u. It's even a waste of time telling u to attend bible classes because same church will only confuse u the more.

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This one nah RANTS.

FreedomfromtheT:
Jesus Christ saved me from sin. I know the date, time, place and circumstance that led to my salvation.
By the grace of God, I am not just an indocrinated religious sinner parroting the versions of the Scriptures I was taught in the 'Kingdom Hall' and holding on to the dogma of my religious sect.
I pledged to obey, follow and serve Jesus Christ Who graciously saved and changed my life all through my life on earth.
Jesus Christ is thus my Saviour and Lord.
I don't know about you?

Continue DECEIVING YOURSELF.
Romans 5:12 says you are a sinner. No deeper lifer lives forever.

Oga, come & type more GIBBERISH.

johnw47:
lost fraud jw janosky

"itself" is said once, and "He" is said regarding The Holy spirit very many times, oh dum believer of any lies they tell you

SIRTee15:
U need to do some reading on bible exegesis if u want to be sound in christian doctrine and effectively defend your argument.
what is Logos, what is rhema. What do u know about the living Logos, spoken logos, eternal Logos and written Logos.
I dont know if u are a atheist, Muslim, agnostic or Jew. But if u are a Christian, u need to attend more bible study classes. u really need it.

Even the verses u quoted supports my assertion, the word of God is an active force, its alive.
And we also thank God continually because, when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as a human word, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is indeed at work in you who believe[/i] Thel 2.13

[i]For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. heb 4.12

Jesus is not just the spokesman of God, do u actually read the verses u quoted. This is from Hebrew 1 u quoted.
In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word

What does the highlighted mean to u?

Finally tell me the name of that man John wrote about in Rev 19. 11-16 and who is he?

hillaryj:
Briefly:
My dad is a muslim, (shuwa arab)
My mom is a christain.(Okrika:ijaw)
my dad met my mum in ph in the late 80s. He married my mum and the union gave birth to 4 kids. My dad started attending deper life around 2002. It was amazing seeing my dad as a christain.
our family was one of the pillars of the church in all ramifications.
all of a sudden, my dad was invited by pastors of that region. My dad was ask to divorce my mum and get back to his first wife.(my dad gave birth to 4boys in borno to a muslim woman and she is married to another muslim. He was ask to take custody of us and make peace to his first wife or remain single.
madnes, my dad don comot 4 deper lif wit all of us. He is back to his root(muslim)...i hate the members wit passion not the church....is't right or wrong by the pastors.

johnw47:
Ecclesiastes 7:6
For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool



lost fraud jw janosky

you must believe that the Holy Spirit is the literal finger of God, you so dum, aren't you:

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints


the finger of God is referring to the power of The Holy Spirit

and even so you false jw's love to blaspheme Him


Luk 11:20  "But if I cast out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

Lord Jesus cast out demons by The Holy Spirit


The Holy Spirit certainly is a Person, just some of many:

John 14:26, “the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

Acts 8:29, “the Spirit said to Philip, ‘Go over and join this chariot.’

Acts 13:2, “While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, ‘Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.'”

Acts 15:28, “it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements.”

Ephesians 4:30, “do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.”

Hebrews 10:29, “How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has . . . outraged the Spirit of grace?”

Acts 5:3, 4, “why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit? . . . You have not lied to men but to God‘”

Romans 8:26-27, “the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.”

John 15;26 “But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me

The scriptures NEVER said "power of the holy spirit" LYING dimwit.

Jesus breathed holy spirit into the disciples, Jesus did not breath any entity into them.
Your KJV says "spirit itself", Romans 8:16,26.
This John W MUMU

Power is NOT a person.

Holy spirit is finger of God, full STOP.

SIRTee15:
Let's go to point 1 of your questions.
When was the first time God became man in the bible?

SIRTee15:
The bible only becomes the true word of God when Jesus is God.

Without Jesus is God, the bible is just an historical text.

SIRTee15:
Verse 28 of same chapter answers your query.
Explain John 20.28.

tete7000:
Think about a family of three - father, mother and the child. By virtue of marriage, father and mother are two entities but one body; the child born out of the union can be said to be equally of the same stock as the parent. Now think of a situation where the three are perfect beings, whatever one upholds, the others do, to see and hear from the mother or son will be equal to hearing from the father because they will never contradict themselves.
So in marriage you have three distinct personalities with hierarchy but same in substance and dignity, the three are humans.

This analogy can to some extent help you comprehend trinity. When next JW come with argument against trinity, ask them how is it possible in marriage to have two become one.

MightySparrow:

tete7000:
You are just funny. Jesus used the word " I AM" and the Jews wanted to stone him for blasphemy for equating himself with God.

You are ADDED "blasphemy for equating himself with God" to John 8:58-59.
Wayo Trinitarians ADDING to the holy scriptures.


According to the Hebrews the Jewish people,"I will be what I will be" @ Exodus 3:14 has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with John 8:58.
You can NOT tell the Jews how to speak or interpret their language @ Exodus 3:14.
They reject your FALSE claim.

tete7000:
I AM was the name God gave to Moses on Mt, Horeb when God called him to go and save the Israelites and he asked what name he should deliver the God's message to Israelites: Jesus came, used the same phrase to refer to himself, they picked to wanted to pebble him but he escaped. They wanted to dish to him punishment reserve in the old testament for those who blaspheme. I often wonder which scripture you people read, it definitely can't be the same one every sane one of us read.
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. - Ex.3:14.

In the screenshots, the Jews speaking Hebrew their own language says "No,Sir."
The proper translation of Exodus 3:14 is "I will be what I will be",a Jewish/Hebrew idiom, not a name.

Nah your fellow Trinitarians dey confuse you.

2nd point.
Exodus 3:15 YHWH pronounced Yahweh/Jehovah is God's name to time indefinite.
Further expressed in Exodus 6:3.
Oga, Stop DECEIVING YOURSELF

tete7000:
You guys can keep denying the truth, it's a free world when we leave here you will come face to face with all the truths you have refused to believe.

John 8:38
"I speak what I have seen with My Father, and you do what you have seen with your father"

John 8:38, Oga did your "I Am" speak to himself?
John 8:23-27,38,58, Jesus Christ PROVEN he is older than Abraham,Oga not proof of your FALSE claim.
John 8:23-27,38,58 Jesus Christ PROVEN You are DECEIVING YOURSELF.

tete7000:
Thomas made an error in amazement and Jesus, the truth, the way and life let that error go through without correcting it, even when he knew the damage it could caused later? When he knew the misinterpretation it can be given needing you to help you correct it? You guys can sound very ridiculous but I understand, you are not allowed to think anything through. You regurgitate everything you are told and you aren't allow to use your brain to philosophise and reason.

MightySparrow:
Dó you mean Jehovah's False witnesses? The name Jehovah witness self is an error. You are a witness to what you know, not what you don't. These people go about the letter not the spirit.

Nah the same mouth wey you and your fellow Churchians dey use sing "Jehovah is your name" every Sunday.

Matthew 24:14 this gospel is a witness/testimony to all the nations, JWs are giving the witness.
Oga continue WAILING.
Ozuo

MightySparrow:
In the whole Bible: God is a spirit, a personality, Satan is a spirit, a being, angels are spirits, beings, only Holy Spirit of JWs is a force.

My brother, leave them to their delusion.

Jesus Christ says holy spirit is finger of God his Father.
God his Father is a Spirit.
Is the finger of a Spirit a person?

Ozuo

SIRTee15:
I can take u on each of your point and defeat it easily. If u ready, reply me.
The bible only makes sense when Jesus is God.
Bible without Jesus is just a history book.

To your point 1. When was the first time in the bible God became man. Definitely not Jesus.

HonNL:
SOURCE

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FreedomfromtheT:
Are you done with your 'Jehovah's Witnesses are the real Christians' propaganda?
A thread was opened about why people hate Deeper Life members.
It has nothing to do with Jehovah's Witnesses or any other religious sect.
You cunningly decided to change the narrative to how Jehovah's Witnesses are the real Christians.
Now that you are faced with the truth about how fake your Jehovah's Witnesses are, you are trying to run away.
Learn to mind your business.
May God have mercy on your soul and the souls of all who have been held captive by indoctrination of Jehovah's Witnesses, their deceptive and false interpretation of the Bible and their religious propaganda.