Emusan: I love your choice of words at @underlined.
As per the topic, you have said it all and that's why they prefer visiting Babalawo (Herbalist) for healing instead of turning to Jesus "whom by His stripe we are healed"
Emusan DECEIVING himself while his fellow Trinitarians confessed (in screenshots) their chronic devotion to Babalawos & shamanic shrines.
FreedomfromtheT: No sir. We were all sinners. The difference is that while I and others have repented and been washed by the blood of the Lamb, some are yet in their sins (1st Corinthians 6:11). It is obvious that both of us are talking out of personal experiences. I was once in the pit of sin. But now having been practically saved out of the pit of sin and practically washed by Jesus Christ, my Lord and Saviour, by God's grace, I am no longer a sinner. However, from your comments, it is clear that you are yet in sin while claiming you have been theoretically washed that is why you think everyone is (Titus 1:15). Is it not funny when the wilfully blind are trying to lead fellow blind?
1 John 1:8
"If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us"
Apostle John was saved by the righteous sacrifice of Jesus Christ & he says that you are a confirmed LIAR.
MightySparrow: Don't JWs feel they are special? GB teachers their people the are specially positioned to inherit other people's land, houses, cars, planes etc. Holy stealing like Antichristian's Mohammed's
We are special - pentecostal family.
Matthew 5:5 & Psalms 37:29, Sparrow desperate to TWIST the holy scriptures,Oga Sparrow continue WAILING.
FreedomfromtheT: Your interpretation of Mark 3:4 is erroneous. Jesus Christ condemned the religious fault-finders for being angry that He healed a man with a withered hand on the Sabbath day hence the question "Is it lawful to do good on the Sabbath days or to do evil, to save a life or to destroy it?". Obviously, He meant that if one is in a position to heal a sick person or help such a one but doesn't do it (due to religious dogma), he is inadvertently destroying the person. So it is erroneous to equate a life which a man can decide either to preserve or to kill with the immortal soul which a man doesn't have power over .
Soul= Life. Soul/Life= Living person/human being.
Jesus Christ did not teach the Greek pagan philosophy called "immortal soul".
FreedomfromtheT: (Luke 12:4,5 "And I say unto you my friends, be not afraid of them that kill the body and after that have no more than they can do, but I will forwarn you whom ye shall fear, FEAR HIM WHICH AFTER HE HAS KILLED, HAS POWER TO CAST INTO HELL: YEA, I SAY UNTO YOU, FEAR HIM". Therefore, we can see clearly here that the hell that Jesus, the embodiment of truth meant, is not just the grave as erroneously propagated by the false teachers because it is fellow humans that bury dead people and not God. The hell Jesus meant is obviously a horrible place of suffering hence the serious warning (Luke12:4,5). God's word is not a respecter of any unrepentant sinner who dies in sin -Adam or Cain, Dothan, Korah or Abiram, Balaam or Balak, Saul or Ahitophel, Delilah or Jezebel, Judas Iscariot or Annanais and Saphirah. So repent today and believe the gospel. Tomorrow might be too late. The excuse that Jehovah's witnesses deceived or confused you is not tenable before God. Please don't make an eternally uncorrectable mistake. Thank you.
Kumuyi your Pastor knows that Jesus Christ NEVER mention Hellfire or hell anywhere in your Bible.
At Luke 12:5 Gehenna was mistranslated as hell. Oga, I challenge you to confirm this fact from kumuyi.
Emusan: Of course Emusan can't be part of that because he is born of God, the people the place suitable for are people like you and your lie lie jws. .
John 3:16, Jesus Christ see's everlasting life for JWs and destruction for evildoers but Emusan see's perpetual torture. Emusan sadist. Kai !!!!
Emusan: Were you inside with them to know they didn't gnashing their teeth? .
Emusan Were you inside with them to know they gnashing their teeth till today?
Emusan,I thought God gave you brain but there is no evidence you have one.
Emusan: "They have built the high places of Topheth in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to burn their sons and daughters in the fire—something I did not command, nor did it enter my mind." Jer 7:31
But the same God rained down fire on Sodom and Gomarrah. You think the fire won't torment the people before destroying them
Definitely you don't understand the content of that Jer 7:31
Fire destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah.
The city/ people no more exist, burnt to ashes, they did not experience everlasting torture. Emusan, can you now RECEIVE SENSE?
because no where in Jer 7:31 that says God won't torment people with fire.
But here is a direct statement from Jesus about torment with fire.
Matthew 13:50 "and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
Was Jesus talking about the living or non existence being?
When Emusan is thrown into the burning furnace, will Emusan gnash his teeth forever?
When king Nebuchadnezzar's servants where thrown into the burning furnace (meant for Abednego & friends) are those servants gnashing their teeth today?
OLAADEGBU: Rebekah Vardy opens up about childhood abuse and being shunned by Jehovah's Witnesses: 'It's hard to see how I survived' The Independent ELLIE MUIR Updated 15 May 2023 at 7:27 am
Rebekah Vardy, who is best known for being the wife of English footballer Jamie Vardy and also at the centre of the dramatic Wagatha Christie trial last year, has revealed the truth behind her upbringing as a Jehovah's Witness.
Presenting a new Channel 4 documentary titled Rebekah Vardy: Jehovah's Witnesses and Me, Vardy says that she was raised within the religious organisation until the age of 15 when she was shunned from the community she grew up in, in Norwich.
The film comes as the Jehovah's Witnesses, who are part of a closed and often secretive religion, have become embroiled in allegations of child sexual abuse in recent years.
One of the key elements of the Jehovah's Witness faith is the belief that the end of the world is coming soon, which is something Vardy says she was taught growing up.
In one harrowing account in the documentary, Vardy describes how she was abused as a child, and claims that when she took it to the elders within the organisation, she was told that going to the police would bring "shame" on her family and she was subsequently shunned.
She described how being shunned – otherwise known as disfellowshipped from the organisation – often means, for many people, that they are cut off by close friends and family members.
"From the age of around 12 years old I was being abused," Vardy told the camera. "So I told my mum about the abuse I was experiencing. She cried but didn't believe me, [she] told numerous members of my family and Jehovah's Witnesses members who called a meeting."
Vardy said that she was not supported when she revealed what had been happening to her.
"It was put to me [by the elders] that I had misinterpreted the abuse for a form of affection, [even though] I knew well aware what was right and what was wrong."
"And it was explained that I could potentially bring shame upon my family and I was basically manipulated into thinking it wasn't the best thing to do to take it any further and take it to the police.
"I remember there being a big argument and being told to get out and to never come back. It's hard to see how I survived that," says Vardy.
Elsewhere in the documentary, Vardy reveals that she has not had contact with members of her family since she left the organisation since aged 15. She has also been estranged from her mother for seven years.
"It's not until you have children that you really become fiercely protective. But yet no one valued me enough to protect me… my kids are everything," Vardy emotionally tells the camera.
Towards the end of the documentary, Vardy says she understands why members of her family never left the Jehovah’s Witnesses.
"When you’re so invested in that, it's really hard to see the bigger picture when you're inside those four walls – and I think that's what makes this organisation so dangerous," she says.
Channel 4's Rebekah Vardy: Jehovah's Witnesses and Me will be aired at 10pm on 16 May.
I know you only study the letters. the letter kills... One can study the scripture from Genesis to revelation and still end up confused.. Only the author can unravel the mysteries of his logos to you...
U can keep taking cutting parts of scriptures that u don't understand in other to justify your belief system... JESUS IS GOD U CAN'T LEARN IF YOU AIN'T HUMBLE.. GO TO GOD IN PRAYERS AND HE'LL REVEAL THESE TRUTHS TO YOU... For we all know in parts
Your Trinitarian mentors at Nicene says they are 3 persons. Both you & your mentors are giving conflicting doctrine from the same ghost .
"Is" not in John 1:1, you DUBIOUSLY insert it in your comment & pass it off as scriptures, that's dishonesty.
1 Corinthians 3:5,8 Paul & Apollos are one. John 17:21-22, The Father, the disciples & Jesus are one.
johnw47: Ecclesiastes 7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool
lost false jw mad max
like i keep saying and like you false jw's keep showing oh fearful one is that you cannot reply to truth, all you have this time is your off topic running away and at other times babel and lies etc:
rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
i certainly am part of Christendom, and i agree with you false jw's that you are not
Wordbelievers18: THERE'S NO 3 IN ONE GOD. IT'S SAME GOD WHO WAS REVEALED TO MEN IN 3 DIFFERENT DIMENSIONS.
FIRST AS THE CREATOR (JEHOVAH, YAWEH ETC) SECOND AS A MESSIAH ( THE CRUCIFIED) THIRD AS A COMFORTER ( BELIEVERS CALL HIM HOLY SPIRIT)
IT'S SAME PERSON.
Oga, is 1 Corinthians 15:24-27 in your Bible?
John 15:15 & John 7:16, who sent the Messenger He taught?
Jesus Christ made a disclosure at John 5:37,is that fact now obvious to you? Your fellow Trinitarians say their deities are triune? Why is the same ghost given you & other Trinitarians conflicting information?
FreedomfromtheT: Your interpretation of Mark 3:4 is erroneous. .
Mark 3:4 "And he says to them, Is it lawful in the sabbaths to do good, or to do evil? to save a soul, or to kill? And they were silent"
Oga, that is the correct rendition of Mark 3:4 exposure of your delusion. It's not my interpretation
You claim to read Bible & you don't know that Soul means life? You still don't know that soul means a living person? You still don't know that to save a living person is to save a soul/ life? Oga, please stop DECEIVING YOURSELF.
mtngloetiartel: Jude 7, KJ: “Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.” (The fire that destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah ceased burning thousands of years ago. But the effect of that fire has been lasting; the cities have not been rebuilt. God’s judgment, however, was against not merely those cities but also their wicked inhabitants. What happened to them is a warning example. At Luke 17:29, Jesus says that they were “destroyed”; Jude 7 shows that the destruction was eternal.)
johnw47: Ecclesiastes 7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool
lost fraud jw janosky
is 4Christ an entrepreneur who sets up churches as a business venture or is it you who is lying .... still
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Pastorpreneur:
An entrepreneur who sets up churches as a business venture
Ken4Christ: Please explain the passage below for me. Please, don't digress.
Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into EVERLASTING FIRE, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Genesis 3:15 is the only punishment that God prescribed for the devil (identified as original serpent in Revelation chapter 12.
Crushing the serpent's head is synonymous with everlasting destruction as if by fire.
This Pastorpreneur,Are you going to be dishonest that everlasting fire is torturing Sodom and Gomorrah today?
Ken4Christ: We are not talking about language here. We are talking about the content of his teachings concerning hell. Experts were involved in translation of the Bible from the Hebrew and Greek language to English. And the original language are still available for scrutiny.
No sane man will go through the teachings of Jesus concerning hell and conclude he was just talking about the physical grave or a refuse dump in Israel. Go back and read again the first three gospel with an unbiased mind and come back and tell me that a place of torment called hell does not exist.
Yes, it doesn't make sense to the natural mind but it's scriptural.
If God could destroy the first world with water and save only 8 persons and also destroyed two cities, Sodom and Gomorrah with fire, why do you suppose that it's not possible that people can be eternally destroyed in a burning flame?
Just repent before it's too late. Otherwise, you will have regrets upon regrets.
Jesus Christ NEVER knew nor spoke the word "hell" or "hellfire". Jesus Christ spoke the word "Hades" ,"Gehenna." Both words don't mean exactly the same thing.
Are the Sodom and Gomorrah people tortured till today?
Oga,You are very dishonest to change your hellfire perpetual torture narrative to "eternally destroyed", this dishonest pastorpreneur.
Emusan: But the person who is asleep still conscious.
If Jesus truly views death as sleep then your below point is empty.
No. Emusan is wrong. My point is Scriptural & correct because Jesus Christ is led by the same holy spirit which inspired Ecclesiastics 9:5,10.
Emusan: But sleeping person is conscious and move body parts.
John 11:11-14 Did Jesus say Lazarus was conscious and moving in the grave before Jesus raised him? No.
John 11:23 Jesus told her, “Your brother will rise again.” Jesus Christ says Emusan is wrong. A conscious person has no need to rise. Only the dead (asleep in death like Lazarus) will rise.
Emusan: But every Jesus parable has reality connection.
John 11:23, Jesus Christ confirming Lazarus was not conscious in the grave.
FreedomfromtheT: You Jehovah's witnesses can choose to believe and propagate what you want people to believe but it doesn't change the Scriptural truth and reality.
The soul is immortal. It ever dies (Luke 16:22-28; Luke 23:43; Acts7:55-60; Philippians 1:22-24).
Mark 3:4, Jesus Christ rejected your claim. Jesus says man kills a soul & also saves a soul.. Mark 3:4 "And he says to them, Is it lawful in the sabbaths to do good, or to do evil? to save a soul, or to kill? And they were silent"
Oga,Your quote of holy scriptures is off point.
FreedomfromtheT: The implication is that the sinners of Sodom and Gomorrah are still suffering in hell today and will continue to suffer for all eternity. In the same vein, all unrepentant sinners and backslidders will suffer for all eternity (Matthew 25:41,46). Please don't be deceived. No excuses will avail. Repent today and believe the gospel. Thank you.
Is Adam the first evildoer suffering for all eternity?
Oga,You read 2 Peter 2:6 & still persists in your folly of TWISTING the holy scriptures.
Like Adam like all evildoers. No more no less. Same punishment, Romans 3:23
Ken4Christ: God does not send people to hell. Your decision does. Hell was prepared for the devil and his angels. But if you choose to ignore the warning of God's word, you shouldn't blame God. The choice is yours.
Trying to defend your preconceived opinion about hell while ignoring so many scriptures that affirms its existence is spiritual fraud.
Una come see Pastor commit spiritual fraud. If this Pastor's God does not send anyone to hell, therefore this Pastor's God does not send anyone to heaven either. This Pastor TWISTING his doctrine in public. .
Hades= the grave not hellfire. The word "hellfire" is a man made fabrication,not holy scriptures. 2 Peter 2:6 & Matthew 24:37-39 is not rocket science. Matthew 24:37-39, as it was in the days of Noah so it shall be, Jesus said. Did fire torture those evildoers that time of Noah's?
Ken4Christ: Hell itself will be thrown into the Lake of Fire but only after it has released everyone in it for judgment.
MUMU RANTS The doctrine dey confuse the Pastorpreneur sef. Pastor says evildoers die & go to hellfire to be tortured forever & are later released for judgement ,in which realm? Hellfire is thrown into lake of fire, hellfire yamutu
Ken4Christ: No one can kill a soul. It can only be tormented.
The scripture which says that the soul that sinneth, it shall die is not referring to the immortal soul. . Check the origin Hebrew word for the word soul used here, you will find out its different from the immortal soul.
Soul in this context refers to a person.
Check your dictionary for most words, you will find out that they have multiple meaning. So, it's wrong to just assume a particular word means the same thing in all context.
Maybe, you may have to go back to school to study English language.
LYING Churchian,a person is how many souls?
Mark 3:4 And he says to them, Is it lawful in the sabbaths to do good, or to do evil? to save a soul, or to kill? And they were silent"
Is it lawful to save a soul or to kill a soul?
Ken4Christ: This brainwashing by Rutherford and Russell is really damaging. They will suffer greater punishment in hell for confusing and misleading countless millions of people across the world.
LYING Pastorpreneur The same hellfire that this Pastor said will be thrown into the lake of fire to yamutu.
Pastor, Why does your brain not tell you that your hellfire is not lake of fire? Hellfire nah scam!
John 11:11-14. "Then he said, “Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep, but now I will go and wake him up.”
12 The disciples said, “Lord, if he is sleeping, he will soon get better!” 13 They thought Jesus meant Lazarus was simply sleeping, but Jesus meant Lazarus had died.
14 So he told them plainly, “Lazarus is dead."
Jesus Christ views death as sleep.
Sleeping persons in Hades (the grave) can not speak to themselves.
Jesus said a parable NOT a factual event. Therefore your doctrine is a fraud.
johnw47: Ecclesiastes 7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool
lost fraud jw janosky
hell is not a subliminal reference to hellfire by all christians
you false jw's can never stop lying, can you:
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Christendom /ˈkrɪsndəm/ noun
1. the worldwide body of Christians
and so dum one, it's good you agree that false jw's are not part of the worldwide body of Christians
the bible says.... there was a certain rich man.... "there was " this shows that it actually happened. and this shows that there is life after death.
Revelation 20:14 also talk about a time where some certain individual will be cast into an everlasting fire
Isaiah 33:14 also talk about an everlasting fire where sinners will be cast into.
Revelation 21:8 we read: "[A]s for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, the murderers, the fornicators, the sorcerers, the idolaters, and all liars, their place will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death."this means that being cast into hell is referred to as death in response to Ezekiel 18 vs 1 - 32 u pointed out
Read King James version not a water down translation
Your ignorance is very luminous.
You are desperate to add your personal thoughts into the holy scriptures whereas your Bible says the exact opposite of what you claimed.
who dey torture the dead? Hellfire nah scam. Belief in hellfire has NEVER even water down the iniquities in Christendom expressed in this Screenshots.
FreedomfromtheT: Your ignorance is glaring sir. There is bad news as well as good news and both are permitted by God to be written in the Scriptures. The bad news is that all have sinned as offsprings of Adam and thus are on their way to perdition in hellfire if nothing is done (Romans 3:23).
Why misquote your Bible? Is hellfire written in Romans 3:23?
You say hellfire is perpetual torture. Oga, what is perdition?
Is perdition meaning perpetual torture?
Oga, don't be mischievous.
FreedomfromtheT: Thank God for the good news which is that Christ has come to deliver those who accept Him from the wrath to come (1st Thessalonians 1:10). It is a scam to give people one-sided information especially about the eternal consequences of their life on earth. You can keep on deceiving yourself and the deceived that hellfire is imaginary until you get there (I pray it doesn't happen to you). Let's assume Jehovah's witnesses are right that hellfire is imaginary and I die believing hellfire is real. What do I have to lose? On the other hand, what if you live your life believing that hellfire is imaginary as taught by Jehovah's witnesses, only to die and to your chagrin, there is hellfire and it is for all ETERNITY, will there be any remedies? Why take chances with your eternal wellbeing? Why gamble with the prospect of an eternal, uncorrectable mistake? Why not be on the safe side? I know people are wise.
2 Peter 2:6 Later, God condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah and turned them into heaps of ashes. He made them an example of what will happen to ungodly people"
Oga, God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. what Sodom and Gomorrah lose?
Did your own Bible say ungodly people will receive the same punishment like Sodom and Gomorrah? Is your God still torturing Sodom and Gomorrah today?
FreedomfromtheT: True servants of Christ teach the whole truth without sentiments out of love for people's never dying souls. We don't gamble with people's eternal wellbeing. Getting saved and getting into the Kingdom is same as escaping the damnation of hell (Mathew 23:33). Salvation also brings peace from the Prince of peace because there is no peace for the wicked (the stubborn sinner). Reconciliation with God through Christ also ensures God's abiding presence here on earth despite the turbulence and troubles (John 16:33). It guarantees speedy answer to one's prayers. etc. Your denial of the existence of hellfire doesn't change the reality. Christ warned His disciples, followers as well as the hypocritical religious Pharisess that hellfire actually exists (Matthew 23:15,33; 25:41,46; Luke 12:4,5; Revelation 21:. It is sheer wickedness to know the reality of eternal damnation for the unrepentant and pretend it doesn't. It is wickedness to "compass sea and land to make proselytes only to make them twofold the children of hell than yourselves" (Matthew 23:15). By the grace of God, many who have been deceived by your religious sect will have their eyes open and know the truth that will set them free before they die in Jesus' name, Amen (John 8:31,32).
Jesus Christ did NOT, NEVER said "hellfire". At Matthew 23:15, Jesus Christ said "Gehenna" ( Gehinnom in hebrew, gabbage dump outside Jerusalem).
In the parable of the rich man, Jesus said "Hades" not hellfire.
Steep: oga Janosky, e better make you just keep quiet and beg God make he show you the truth.
Hebrews 1:7,14 angels are spirits. Genesis 6:3, Adam is flesh. Luke 1:38 Adam is son of God. Ephesians 4:6 God is the Father of ALL. Oga Steep, is it so written in your Bible?
Christianity Etc › Re: Why I Believe Jehovah Witness Are Wrong In Their Belief That Prophecy Has Ended by Janosky: 10:36pm On May 27, 2023
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