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Emusan:
Thomas: "My Lord and My God"

Matthew 8:21 And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.

Matthew 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Matthew 14:28 And Peter answered him and said, Lord, if it be thou, bid me come unto thee on the water.

Matthew 22:43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,

John 13:13 Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.

Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

1 Corinthians 1:9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

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Luke 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

1 Timothy 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope

1 Timothy 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

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Every true disciples of Jesus Christ are always proud to call Jesus their Lord and Saviour but JWs is afraid and called it dogma

Anyways, I know you're not bold enough to answer that question straight forward.

FreedomfromtheT:
No it is not a dogma.
Jesus is MY Lord and personal Saviour.

FreedomfromtheT:
I opened this thread and it's about why people hate Deeper Life Bible Church.
I am minding my business here.
May all sinners including you and other deluded Jehovah's Witnesses come to the knowledge of the saving truth before you breathe your last in Jesus' name, Amen.

Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, in this way death spread to all people, because all sinned"

Death spread to Deeper Life Churchians because they have ALL SINNED"

Oga, Carry your DELUSION outta here.

ErnestNc:
This is proof that you don't understand Hebrews 1. Because Hebrews 1 means that Jesus Christ/The spirit of the son is now the Voice of God and not just prophets .

ErnestNc:
You're a fool as the scriptures declares.
Please show me where in the bible that says Jesus Christ was an angel ?

Jesus Christ is a Minister & spirit his Father sent from heaven to minister, according to Jesus @ John 7:16 & Matthew 20:28 & Paul the apostle @ Hebrews 1:14.

A minister is a messenger, angel.
Use the screenshot PROVEN evidences "aggelos" to cure your DELUSION.
Oga RECEIVE SENSE.

ErnestNc:
What does Lamb of God means?
Does it not indicate that Jesus Christ in human form is God's sacrifice for the atonement of the soul?

Yes, Jesus the Lamb of God..
Jesus is also a prophet,Acts 3:22-23.
Jesus is also an apostle.

ErnestNc:
You're just a foolish zombie.

ErnestNc:
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Secondly, y'all deny the power of God and the grace of God which is the spirit of God indwelling in a man.

You deny that the Holy spirit can speak to us and guide us , instead you call it spiritism and the voice of Satan.

You deny anything that has to do with the holy spirit.

You alienate yourselves from the kingdom(influence) of God , saying that you can't be born again because you're not worthy of God's sacrifice. Meanwhile Jesus said he that is thirsty should come and he will give him life (the spirit of God).

I will never engage anyone of you JW's in baseless arguments because it's not worth it.

Just as Muslims believe in Mohammed, you disbelieve in the Spirit of God and say it's the right way of life. Hence, I cannot disillusion you, neither will I persuade you.

ErnestNc:
If you still think Jesus's preincarnate form is not the WORD OF GOD but angel Michael, I shake my head in pity and agony for you because your redemption O' SON OF MAN, IS FAR!

Jesus Christ is the Word , because he is the spokesman of God,his Father- John 7:16 & Hebrews 1:1-2.

Jesus Christ has other names and titles in your Bible, (Malachi 3:1 , Amplified Bible (Bible gateway website) .

The commander of Jehovah's army, Joshua 5:12-14 (find out numerous Bible commentaries of your fellow Trinitarians on Joshua 5:12-14 & cure your delusion . Joshua 5:12-14= Matthew 25:31, Daniel 10:13, 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9. Rev 12:7-9.).

The lamb of God, John 1:29,49 etc.

Oga, cure your DELUSION read the screenshot of & Genesis 16:7 PROVEN by your fellow Trinitarians.

ErnestNc:
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I haven't decided anything sir but I just chose not to engage in baseless arguments which setttles nothing.

My original post is my unwavering opinion .
I strongly detest false doctrines and the spirit of God bears witness within me when I hear something false even with individuals outside the sphere of religion.

The only thing I have against JWs is their multiple false doctrines and one is their unconscious effort to debase the person of Jesus by relegating him to being just an ordinary being or an angel [/b]when it was made clear through John's testimony in the scriptures, that all things were made by him (John1) and his preincarnate form was the [b]WORD in the beginning and not an angelic being.

delkuf:
guy park well. Which one be preaching or teaching. E dey una booklet, so una believe say angel Michael na the Lord Jesus Christ. So you guys agent of the devil

Emusan:
Reason why you've been dodging my questions since

So in a nutshell Jehovah lied in Malachi that He is coming and later send another person

marvrick:
Of course the realization hit me and I wasn't really fine for many days, my system was destabilized. I was in a daze trying to comprehend it all.
It was in this mood that I got a revelation sometime later. It was revealed to me that this is one of the many mysteries of God that even the angels are in awe of. And that the angels were being treated to one of the great mysteries of God through the instrumentality of the atonement/death of Jesus. In order words, God Who made the heavens of heavens will humble Himself, condescend to the lower level of man and allow Himself to be subjected to ridicule and eventual cruel death at the hands of those he came to save. It was the "main event". Nothing in all of the wonders, powers, glory, riches ever known by the angels could compare to this particular mystery: God becoming man and for what? For insignificant man!

So let the warring parties sheath their swords. There's no need to continue fighting. The matter is beyond the realm of intellectualism or mere intelligence. It's a revelation kind of thing. One that has inherent power on its own to make a human very humble indeed. You'll turn to a born again so fast you'll not know what hit you. You'll find yourself weeping unconsolably as you realize how God allowed Himself to be roughhandled by sinful men just because of His love nature! This realization will jarr you to your very bones and you'll see reality/creation in a different light.

Lastly, you will begin to be really free because you know the truth. What is that truth? That God took human form in order to carry out an important assignment that will be of benefit to the human race, an assignment He couldn't delegate to an angel to carry out.

marvrick:
Point seven and final point but not the least: I searched diligently in order to prove or disprove this particular claim, I knew how controversial and important it is to know the real truth about this issue. So much depends on it as a Christian.
And to my utter amazement and a bit of horror, I was actually led by an unseen, subtle hand directing my eyes and hands to books of the Bible where two personalities were both simultaneously called God and Maker and Creator of the universe. I was scared! It felt really scary! Like as if this force wanted me to have no doubt in the least about it. And crying, balling my eyes out, I began to turn the pages of the Bible and Lo and behold! Everywhere I turned, my eyes will just fall on a verse that enforces the fact even more clearly than the last mind-numbing verse. All of them strengthening the truth that both Jesus and God are God. For your own confirmation please read the following books with eyes and mind very clear: All of Moses five books, Proverbs, Psalms, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Daniel, Job, Revelation. Everyone of the writers of these books spoke to two different personalities called Lord and LORD. They spoke and regarded both of them as Creator of heaven and earth, the dreaded God. And even more bewildering is where you will come across God speaking and the next instant it is Jesus speaking, all within the same context!


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Oga, which chapter and verse in your Bible?

Were the old testament prophets polytheists?

In the spiritual as well as the physical, there is hierarchy.
Two personalities can NOT, NEVER be the Heads simultaneously, whether in the spiritual or physical realms,1 Corinthians 11:3

marvrick:
Point seven and final point but not the least: I searched diligently in order to prove or disprove this particular claim, I knew how controversial and important it is to know the real truth about this issue. So much depends on it as a Christian.
And to my utter amazement and a bit of horror, I was actually led by an unseen, subtle hand directing my eyes and hands to books of the Bible where two personalities were both simultaneously called God and Maker and Creator of the universe. I was scared! It felt really scary! Like as if this force wanted me to have no doubt in the least about it. And crying, balling my eyes out, I began to turn the pages of the Bible and Lo and behold! Everywhere I turned, my eyes will just fall on a verse that enforces the fact even more clearly than the last mind-numbing verse. All of them strengthening the truth that both Jesus and God are God. For your own confirmation please read the following books with eyes and mind very clear: All of Moses five books, Proverbs, Psalms, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Daniel, Job, Revelation. Everyone of the writers of these books spoke to two different personalities called Lord and LORD. They spoke and regarded both of them as Creator of heaven and earth, the dreaded God. And even more bewildering is where you will come across God speaking and the next instant it is Jesus speaking, all within the same context!


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Oga, which chapter and verse in your Bible?

Were the old testament prophets polytheists?

In the spiritual as well as the physical, there is hierarchy.
Two personalities can NOT, NEVER be the Heads simultaneously, whether in the spiritual or physical realms.

marvrick:
Point seven and final point but not the least: I searched diligently in order to prove or disprove this particular claim, I knew how controversial and important it is to know the real truth about this issue. So much depends on it as a Christian.
And to my utter amazement and a bit of horror, I was actually led by an unseen, subtle hand directing my eyes and hands to books of the Bible where two personalities were both simultaneously called God and Maker and Creator of the universe. I was scared! It felt really scary! Like as if this force wanted me to have no doubt in the least about it. And crying, balling my eyes out, I began to turn the pages of the Bible and Lo and behold! Everywhere I turned, my eyes will just fall on a verse that enforces the fact even more clearly than the last mind-numbing verse. All of them strengthening the truth that both Jesus and God are God. For your own confirmation please read the following books with eyes and mind very clear: All of Moses five books, Proverbs, Psalms, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Daniel, Job, Revelation. Everyone of the writers of these books spoke to two different personalities called Lord and LORD. They spoke and regarded both of them as Creator of heaven and earth, the dreaded God. And even more bewildering is where you will come across God speaking and the next instant it is Jesus speaking, all within the same context!


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Oga, which chapter and verse in your Bible?

Were the old testament prophets polytheists?

In the spiritual as well as the physical, there is hierarchy.
Two personalities can NOT, NEVER be simultaneously at the summit, whether in the spiritual or physical realms.

marvrick:
Point four: The book of Revelation tells us in several places that both God and the Lamb were the center of worship, praise and thanksgiving. The Lamb sits on the same throne as God and receives equal adoration.

marvrick:
Point five: All through the years from Enoch, the world has always known that the event that would herald the end of the world is the coming of the Almighty God and His Saints or with thousands and thousands. Simply put, the world will end on the day God comes, a day called the day of the Lord. A very dreadful day! In the same Bible, Jesus is called the One Who treads the winepress of God's anger.

marvrick:
Point six: There is a marked difference in the way Jesus played his messenger/prophetic mission and those of all the other prophets put together including Moses, Elijah and Daniel. Infact all of these men wrote and spoke extensively about this Jesus. Even the people who heard him speak confessed that his preaching was extraordinarily different!

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marvrick:
Point three: Jesus claimed to be the king of the Jews/Israel. Well he didn't lie. He was actually killed because of this very claim because the Jews knew that the expected king Who had the power to defeat Rome was to be God. So they killed him for claiming to be God.

marvrick:
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Point Two: Jesus wasn't just a spirit transferred into the womb of a virgin(Mary), no. He was more than that. He was born of the Spirit. He was the Spirit because Spirit begets Spirit.

marvrick:
It's really a serious controversy in Christianity this issue of whether Jesus is God or not. Sometimes it could appear blasphemous to say Jesus is God.

However, several places in the Bible suggests so:
Point One: Israel was established without any provision for an earthly human king. Reason is because God was/is their King. But when the people desired a human king like the surrounding nations, God gave approval, nevertheless there was a general understanding that whoever sat on the throne would be only a representative of the true king, God.

Emusan:
Did Jehovah say in Malachi that someone else will come in His name or Himself will come as you early agreed?



But it's Jehovah who is coming



Says someone who doesn't have brain



Mr folly foller
Mr gibberish
Mr continue to deceive yourself

Emusan:
Was Holy Spirit created or not?

Westerhoffe:
In your imagination, you're right.
But in my truth, you're so wrong.
Case closed indeed…

Emusan:
Just now, you are already received new light.

You made bold statement that it was Jehovah who is coming. I guess you didn't think it through before making that statement

That's why you're Janosense for sure



But Jehovah Himself announced before hand that He's the one coming which you agreed with.

So did Jehovah lie? Mr Janosense




[s]Stop claiming what doesn't belong to you, this not JWs forum so you can get lost to your hall[/s]
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John 5:,37,43. "I have come in my Father's name"

Emusan, the TWISTER,
Janosky said "Jehovah OWNS the Way/Assignment of the 2 messengers" of Malachi 3:1.
I referenced John 17:7 & John 7:16.

Oga, your comprehension skills dey very poor.
Please,go & DELETE John 5:37,43 from your Bible.

Emusan, continue your FOLLY, DECEIVING YOURSELF.

AImiron:
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Fineman2:
My name is Dora.

I am 35 years old and everybody keeps reminding me that age is no longer on my side.

My fiance and I have been dating for more than one year and we are getting married soon.

My fiance is 40 years old and he has never been married.

The relationship was really good when we started but now that our wedding is in a few weeks time, he has shown how controlling he can be.

From the choice of the wedding dress, to the bridesmaids selection, to the colour of the day, he wants to be in charge.

He also wants his mum to buy the cloth for our engagement as well as buy our wedding ring.

He does whatever his family says without seeking my opinion and it almost seems as if I am not the one getting married.

I told my parents about how this makes me feel and they just asked me to endure because I am getting older but I really fear for what is going to happen after the wedding.

Are these not red flags I should run from?

I am confused, please advise me.

Dtruthspeaker:
See madman o. Only you by yourself said, Hebrews 1:14.

Now you are thief-thief adding Mathew and revelation (wey and you no talk before) and also changing post to add ministering spirit, when the issue is Uncle Michael/Jesus.

Devil jw, you dey sickly mad and you no well at all, at all.

Westerhoffe:
I won't dispute because it will always be beyond your imagination and expectation.

So, I never expect you to grab or ever understand until you personally have an encounter.

Oga,You Worship 3 Hims.


Jesus Christ & John the apostle Worship 1 Him, according to John 20:17.
Nah Jesus Christ talk am.
Jesus Christ no recognise "your imagination and expectation.

Case closed.

Emusan:
We know the Gibberish typer and folly one here.



You didn't answer my question Mr gibberish typer, why

Did Jehovah say he will send a messenger who will prepare a way before HIM as you agreed above that it was Jehovah who is coming?

John 17:7,
Jehovah God is the Owner of the assignment of the 2 angels ( messengers ).

Nah Jehovah God get the Way, John 7:16 & John 17:7,nah CONFAM, according to Jesus Christ.

John 20:17 & John 5:37, Mr Emusan DECEIVING himself, did Jesus Christ & John the apostle tell you their God came to the earth?


Abeg carry your FOLLY outta this forum jare.

Dtruthspeaker:
Mad rants of an insane jw.

Dtruthspeaker:
Hebrews 1:14 did not mention Uncle Michael nor did it draw any connection between Uncle Michael and Christ, deluded jw.

Thus, you have no reasonable answer.

Hebrews 1:14 King James Version
Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for those who will inherit salvation?

Matthew 20:28 KJV
even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many"


Hebrews 1:14 & Revelation 3:12,is Jesus Christ a ministering spirit in heaven for those who inherit salvation?

Yes!

@ Matthew 20:28, did Jesus Christ confirm his ministering status?
Yes!

Hebrews 1:14, Matthew 20:28 & Revelation 3:12, Jesus Christ nah ministering spirit CONFAM !

DSpeaker, carry your sickness upstairs to the asylum you belong.

Emusan:
You agreed that the statement of Malachi was made by God Himself yet you didn't see where the SPEAKER who is God Himself said “Look! I am sending my messenger, and he will clear up* a way before me. And suddenly the true Lord, whom you are seeking, will come to his temple;+ and the messenger of the covenant will come, in whom you take delight. Look! He will certainly come,” says Jehovah of armies." - NWT

The messenger will clear up a way FOR THE SPEAKER who is God then it was Jesus who actually came!
Stop deceiving yourself with manmade doctrines

Emusan ,Why are you find of typing GIBBERISH & expose your folly?


@ Malachi 3:1, did Jehovah God say himself is angel of the coming angel of the covenant?
Definitely,No !


According to Jesus Christ & John the apostle (@John5:37 & John 20:17), did the God & Father of Jesus & John the apostle ) come to the temple on earth?
Definitely ,No !

Oga, carry your GIBBERISH outta this forum.

Westerhoffe:
I know GOD, not because of what anyone said or wrote about Him, but with personal multiple encounters. So you're only exposing and proving your ignorance before me.

If you had known about 20% of what I have known and seen, witnessed and experienced about, from, with GOD, you'd need not being taught by anyone.

I hope you see the truth on the other side hidden from you some day.

Westerhoffe:
GOD is a Spirit.
GOD is a very very very very deep and full of mysteries.

What do you even call this One True GOD?
To whom do you compare Him?
He is so much more beyond how you think you know Him.
What do you even think you know about GOD?

You think He is a 6 feet tall person?

Come off it!

You just blundered before me with this comment of yours!
Who do you take GOD for even?
Who?
Tell me…
Who?
Mystery in the depths of mystery!

See, you don't know Him… so close this thread.

madridguy:
Roma and Mou should go and sit down. You played over 120 minutes you cannot score a winning goal and you lost the game to the best side through penalty shoot out.

FxMasterz:
So, the messanger of the covenant which is clearly John the Baptist; the Lord who suddenly comes into His temple, which is clearly Christ Jesus; and the ordinary angel that spoke to Hagar are highly confusing to you? This clearly shows you guys don't know what you're doing.

LIAR
Which covenant did John the Baptizer message you about?

You are arguing against your fellow Trinitarians (who published Geneva Bible & Amplified Bible) as well as the Catholic Church who brought Trinity to you.


Why is the same ghost be given conflicting doctrine to you & them?

FxMasterz:
Anyway, I don't discuss scriptures with cultists.

Westerhoffe:
Deities…
Your deities?

Because I know I worship no deity/deities.

And I still say, you don't have any idea or encounter with the One True GOD.

You don't know GOD, so argue all you want.