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Kobojunkie:
Why Do you Praise the name of Jesus Christ when He said not to?

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Jesus Christ explicitly stated that He does not seek nor desire praise from any human being. He discouraged the praising of His person by humans.
The same Jesus Christ said that those who do what He commands are those who belong to Him.
So why then do you praise Jesus Christ, against His own decree, yet believe yourself to be of Him?

Truvelisback:
Be deceiving urself. Why didn't He condemn those who worshipped Him in the Bible?

peggywebbs:
Kobo Kobo.. that is the reason why the body of Christ must assemble, to teach and understand the word of God. You will continue to misinterpret scriptures when you become an island and it makes me wonder what level of education you have.



According to John 5: 40-44 that you quoted. The scripture doesn't talk about praising Jesus.

Jesus was condemning their eye service. He said people like to praise or complement themselves. They are not concerned about what God thinks about them.

For instance, if I donate 5 million naira to someone, they will thank me and keep on doing so anytime they see me. Even though I'm bad to staff, and I don't do the right things, I would rather hear people thank me and recognise me for what I've done. But Jesus is saying none of that matters except I'm getting praise from God. Which in this case none of these people care whether they are doing good in sight of God nor even believe in God.

Jesus doesn't value their praises since they have no love for God. Chikina simple and periodt.

Steep:
It is service I didn't tell you it is not reverence, but what type of reverence?
The word palak is reserve only for the true God. It is the type of reverence meant only for Jehovah.

The holy ones in Daniel 7:27 RECEIVE pelach.

Daniel 7:27
27 “‘And the kingdom and the rulership and the grandeur of the kingdoms under all the heavens were given to the people who are the holy ones of the Supreme One.+ Their kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,+ and all rulerships will serve and obey them"
NWT is very accurate.


The "Him" ending in your Trinitarian doctored version of Daniel 7:27 is not in the manuscript.
Screenshot PROVEN evidence.

Steep:
what does worship mean?
The word translated as "serve " is peculiar to service to the only true God, not kings.

There two word translated as serve in the old testament one is general service to both men, and true God but the second is strictly the true God.

Westerhoffe:
“That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.”
— John 5:23 (KJV)

Westerhoffe:
Matthew 21 (KJV)
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¹⁵ And when the chief priests and scribes saw the wonderful things that he did, and the children crying in the temple, and saying, Hosanna to the Son of David; they were sore displeased,
¹⁶ And said unto him, Hearest thou what these say? And Jesus saith unto them, Yea; have ye never read, Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise?

The above stands sure unmoved.

Steep:
Chabad did didn't do a straight interlinear.
Here is the hebrew- English interlinear and places where it is used.
The word interpreted for serve is only used for the service of the only true God.


It means to serve or reverence, that is not the issue, but this word is only used to describe the kind of service or reference offered to Jehovah.

Steep:
Do a hebrew-english interlinear for Daniel 7 vv 14. Simple

Oga , you have seen the English Hebrew word for word screenshot of Daniel 7:14, you don't want to accept that.
Oga Steep,Pls go to Chabad.org Hebrew/English translation of Daniel 7:14 & Biblehub lexicon of Daniel 7:14 & see for yourself.

Steep:
Then why is it difficult for you to answer my questions?
You claim that the word Lord used was changed from Jehovah to Lord, the question is give me one older new testament manuscript that has Jehovah in it?

Steep:
Hahaha why did you cut off the Hebrew interpretation, because you know the argument would have ended immediately.
Jesus is God that is why he is given service rendered to Jehovah alone.

Steep:
you didn't provide any evidence, provide the Hebrew translation of Daniel 7 vv 14 not the dictionary meaning of serve.

Oga Steep, you want to be dishonest.

Everyone else see's these screenshots Chabad.org Hebrew - English word for word translation of Deuteronomy 10:20, Deuteronomy 6:13 & Daniel 7:14 except Oga Steep.

These screenshots is self explanatory to everyone except Trinitarians DECEIVING THEMSELVES.

Oga Steep no want Hebrew language Daniel 7:14 except Trinitarian distorted & doctored version .

MaxInDHouse:
OBEISANCE is for the one who is supreme so since Jesus always do the will of his father he is qualified to lead because whatever orders comes from his mouth is automatically what his father told him.

You have seen several verses pointing to the fact that Jesus is not the same as Jehovah so if you're still interested in your trinity no one is holding you back we have been freed from the lies of trinity Jehovah is One God not three in One! Deuteronomy 6:4 compare to Mark 12:29

Steep:
Daniel 7vv14, the Hebrew word interpreted as serve is specifically reserved only for Jehovah.

Steep:
Do you offer kings the service rendered to Jehovah?
Jesus is not served like other kings, he is served as Jehovah God himself it is in the bible.

Steep:
I am not. Why don't you paste the Hebrew translation and it's usage let's see.

budaatum:
I think you become more "how" you regularly think about what you think about too, and even moreso.

Take me. I regularly think about religion and their gods but that does not make me a believer in imaginary gods, perhaps because of the sort of thinking that I do, as in how I think about what I think about.

Humans must be "psychologically manipulated", and it doesn't need to be a tool for destruction but a tool for development and for growth too. An example would be the manipulation of Nigerians so they do not kill each other or drive on the walkway or that they take personal responsibility for their neighbourhoods or to not participate in corruption or even learn to read and write, because education of minds which is what non-destructive manipulation is, is the cheapest long term and beneficial method to achieve these desirable goals. Even punishment is just one part of tools to manipulate the mind so it achieves positive development

The passage of certain ideas into the people’s minds is the purposeful and mindful and conscious goal of some. And though some may wrongly indoctrinate generations, a generation will arise that will critically consider what they are manipulated with, and "experience a transformation of thinking and the emergence of new political doctrines and religious ideologies that lead to the unification of thinking and behavior" and human progress will occur. It's how we evolve as a species after all..

You read the destructive side. The "Adam shall die" side. You must read the positive side called:
Education AS A MECHANISM OF PSYCHOLOGICAL MANIPULATION IN THE PROCESS OF INVOLVEMENT IN Societal Development to confirm that constructive religious (and non-religious) organizations exist and use a more positive side of "manipulation" to achieve positive outcomes. Add critical thinking to the mix and people might positively manipulate themselves to become gods.

Steep:
Do you offer kings the service rendered to Jehovah?
Jesus is not served like other kings, he is served as Jehovah God himself it is in the bible.

Steep:
It is not obeisance, it is to serve.
So how come Jesus is receiving the same service reserved only for Jehovah?
Note this type of services is only rendered to Jehovah.

Steep:
Remember, Jesus was speaking as a servant. Since he took the form of a servant he does nothing of himself, it is the position Jesus willingly took.

Steep:
That is by the way side, if Jesus is a mere creature why would the father give him absolute authority over all creation?

Steep:
To the extent of commanding angels and all men to worship Jesus?

Steep:
MaxInDHouse who is the Son of man in Daniel 7 :13? Jehovah or Jesus?

Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

Steep:
conferring titles is not the same as having absolute power.




God gave authority to Moses over pharoah is not the same as giving Moses absolute power. Jehovah alone has absolute power.

Steep:
you seem not to understand what is at stake. We are talking about position that only God has. If Jesus had the position whether he earned it or not, it does not matter.



Jesus said all Judgments has being committed to him this is lifestyle but absolute authority he also said that whatever he locks no body can open and whatever he opens no body can lock meaning he is absolute authority over all creation.

Steep:
yes the father gave the son power to do Judgment.

The issue is, if Jesus has the final say over all things as given by the father, doesn't this mean God sharing his glory over all things?

I never said Jesus is never the servant of God. Jesus is the servant of God because he took that position.

The father is the only true God in contrast to other gods human worship.
Jesus is not among other gods so the statement that the father is the only true God does not disprove that Jesus is the true God.

The apostles and angels also worship Jesus and confessed him as God in flesh.

Steep:
No it means Jesus was truly human

Steep:
Philippians establish the fact that Jesus was not originally a servant.
It is not humility for a servant to uphold his servanthood but for a king to become a servant that is true humility.
The bible is clear that angels are servants.
Hebrews 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?


An angel said to John that he is just a servants like John and other apostles and prophet

Revelation 22:9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

Matthew 20:28 & Hebrew1:14 ,is Jesus Christ a ministering spirit in human form?
Yes!
Is Jesus Christ a servant of God's in the spiritual realm.
Revelation 3:2,5 confirmed that.
Yes !
Oga, please don't DECEIVE YOURSELF.

Steep:
Jesus told you that the father does not judge anybody but has committed all judgment to the son meaning Jesus has final say over all things.

Steep:
you mean Jehovah confered all his power to a creature? I thought you quoted Jehovah saying he does not give his glory to another.

Steep:
Jesus came of his own free will, he wasn't ordered.

Steep:
It's not my personal opinion.

Revelation 3:7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;

The revelation of Jesus that the God Almighty gave Jesus, Revelation 1:1 & John 17:7.
The God Almighty OWNS the Revelation given to His son, Jesus.
Somebody sent you to read His speech at an event.
You get to the event of the speech & be LYING that you,the Reader owns the speech.
Revelation 3:2, Jesus Christ has conveyed God's disapproval of your Trinitarian posture tayy tayy.

Steep:
Jesus prayed because he took on the form of man. Simple.

Oga Steep,Trinity is making you TWIST the holy scriptures.
John 15:15, who is teaching Jesus Christ?
John 15:15 & Matthew 6:9, Oga Steep, where did Jesus Christ learn how to pray?
Did Jesus receive that teaching in heaven?

Steep:
Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

budaatum:
buda heard a knock on the door about 7am in the morning. To be honest, it could have been 9 but who the heck wakes up that early between Christmas Eve and a week after New Years, so buda did not bother, especially when the knock was not repeated. Well, buda just opened the door and just outside was the first book to arrive. Thankfully, its one that hides where buda is headed.

The Evening and the Morning by Ken Follett
ISBN 978-1-4473-7878-8 £11 on Ebay

It was people on this thread who compelled me. My gratitude to them is immense.

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johnw47:
false accuser like your daddy, lost fraud jw janosky

oh duh most dum one, i said force = power, and really: Holy Spirit doesn't = active force


"Holy Spirit" doesn't mean power/active force
the Holy Spirit has power:

Rom 15:13 Now may the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, so that you will abound in hope by the power of the Holy Spirit




false accuser
Rev_12:10  And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

confused
1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

liar
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

blind
2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them

Steep:
Jesus has the final say.
Revelation 3:7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Steep:
But according to scriptures Jesus us exactly like God.

How come nobody like God and yet another looks exactly like him with no difference?

The only true God is Almighty, according to Jesus Christ, Revelation 3:12 & John 20:17, John 17:7.

John 20:17 & John 17:7, Revelation 3:12 from the mouth of Jesus Christ.

Oga, @ John 20:17 & Acts 3:13, according to the apostles, whom does Almighty God the Father Worship?

Oga Steep, @ Revelation 3:2, Jesus Christ is talking to you:
"I find that your actions (on Nairaland) do not meet the requirements of my God."

Steep:
Jesus causes to become and Jesus has the final say.

Steep:
When Jehovah said there is no God beside him, how come Jesus is exactly like him? Explain

Isaiah 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,

SIRTee15:
God's glory cannot be shared by any man.
If Jesus shared in that glory....that tells u something ....

johnw47:
lost fraud jw's janosky & aemmy

since when does Holy Spirit = active force


Holy = sacred, pure
Spirit = air

active = operating
force = power


Holy does not = active
Spirit does not = force

but the Holy Spirit certainly is forceful/powerful:

Rom 15:13 Now may the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, so that you will abound in hope by the power of the Holy Spirit