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elated177:
This is hilarious. You resorted to the teachings and commentaries of those you claim you despise? Very desperate, Janosky.

Sorry those commentaries are outdated, I have those two commentaries you qouted from they're more than a 100yrs old
Hebrews 1:1-6 destroys the whole idea of Jesus being an angel. Christ is the only spirit person that is said to have existed in God's nature and also being the only-begotten-God (John 1:18)

Westerhoffe:
Good…
So let it go.
The reply cannot be shortened.
It's the evidences you need.

Matthew 4:10 & John 9:4 Jesus Christ says I Worship God Almighty ALONE , you MUST WORSHIP God Almighty ALONE.

Your Trinitarian mentors ADDED their own to Hebrews 1:6-8.

Psalms 45:6 Hebrew reads: "God is your throne (same as "God is your strength", meaning your strength is from God, 1 Chronicles 29:23 & 28:5).
Trinitarians CHANGE that to "your throne o God"
You Worship 3 deities. Confirmed polytheist.

Jokerman:
Only a confused JW will equate Angel Michael to the Lord Jesus Christ

MrAmbrose:
Keep deceiving your own self.

ErnestNc:
Have you read ur history and origin?

Do you know what your founder's beliefs and convictions were that lead to the birth of JW?

You are no different from the Church people you criticise .

JW IS Synonymous to self righteousness, , false prophecies and false doctrines.

You are among the "church people" that JWs criticise & you say "JWs are no different from you." Oga, your post makes you a self righteous HYPOCRITE

MrAmbrose:
Pls go and study your Bible well, you're very delusional.

Revelation 12:7-9 & Genesis 3:15 is delusional to you.

Satan is the serpent, Jesus is archangel Michael (the promised seed ) that defeated the serpent.

Oga, continue DECEIVING YOURSELF on this forum.

Westerhoffe:
Nice one…
You have typed another trash.
You don't even know what 'Wailing' means.. :Yet

Well, type another trash again and I'll help you thrash it again and again.

The same ghost told you "trash" & told your fellow Trinitarians your "trash" is truth @ Malachi 3:1 & Genesis 16:7.

Nah JuJu be that?

Westerhoffe:
Type another trash again…

Westerhoffe:
Another trash.

Continue WAILING & console yourself.

MrAmbrose:
I just tire for them o

Westerhoffe:
Thrash..

Nah your fellow Trinitarians burst your bubble.
Oga,Continue WAILING

FxMasterz:
This position of the JWs is the most horrendous and blasphemous heresy in Christiendom. I can't even stomach it because these two personalities are explicitly distinctive and distinguished in scripture. You need a high level of devilry in you to say the Only Begotten Son of the Father is same as Michael the archangel.

MUMU RANTS fit for the dustbin.
Malachi 3:1 & Genesis 16:7 , Amplified Bible & Geneva Bibles published by your fellow Trinitarians PROVEN you are deluded.

Other evidences I presented here are from your fellow Trinitarians.

Why is the same ghost be given you & them conflicting information?

Dtruthspeaker:
1) Their wishes

2) Their fear of guilt because Jesus would condemn them when He returns. So they want to wish that Angel Michael's Judgment would be different from Jesus and therefore they would escape condemnation.

So, again, it is still "A Wish" thing! which means that they know that they are worthy of eternal life of damnation, so they are just trying wish their way through it, rather than follow The Way!

MUMU RANTS of DELUSION.

Your fellow 3 deities worshippers conflicting with your GIBBERISH.
The screenshot PROVEN your DELUSION

Westerhoffe:
If only they read their Bibles properly snd understood its content.
Even an Angel who GOD sent to Daniel confirmed Michael is not the only Archangel, but one of them.

I also had a documentation about it.

ErnestNc:
JWs believes Jesus's preincarnate form was of the personality of the arch angel Michael, and that after which he died ,he continued to serve in the former capacity of his position.

It was never recorded that Jesus returned to heaven and herded the angels of God as Michael , but rather sat at God's right hand as Christ.

Ascribing Lordship to Michael as Christ is a bogus lie and deception of the antichrist. It is written that we have one mediator between God and man and that is the man Jesus Christ , not the spirit arch angel michael. This is nothing but blasphemy and angel worship.

In scriptural context, the two personalities were never juxtaposed alongside each other, except for when it was written that the Lord Jesus would descend from above with the voice of an arch angel.

It was never stated that he was an arch angel , but it simply meant His voice would be in the similitude of the intensity and might of an arch angel declaring war as a celestial being. This is what JWs mis interpret as Jesus being the arch angel Michael.

The antichrist doesn't want us to believe in Jesus , so he tries to dissuade the focus of men into believing in others things as their salvation , things like addiction, inordinate affections , strange movies and music , angel worship, to deceive some persons from their true Messiah.

[Hebrews 1:5-6 KJV
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

[6] And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Even the angels and Michael included worships Jesus because he is The only begotten son of God and Lord of Lord's, a title bestowed on Jesus by God .

It was recorded that when the archangel Michael contended with the Devil and disputed about the body of Moses, he did not dare to bring a condemnation of slander against him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!" (Jude 9).

He could not rebuke the Devil on his own, but rather called upon the Lord to rebuke him.

Michael is obviously not the Lord. Even revelations state that he would battle the dragon , but he can't do that without the Lord's permission and that Lord is Jesus.

Jesus had no such problem with the Devil - He personally rebuked him, since He is the Lord. Michael is not the Lord , but Jesus is. Note this.

Even when revelations recorded that we will reign with the Lord Jesus for a mellinnia , it never mentioned Michael as the who would reign with us, but rather Michael and his angels were spotted battling the dragon.

You can obviously see two distinct personalities carrying out their Separate divine duties as touching the end of days .

Michael is a spirit, he has no body but Jesus has a body(" A body has thou prepared for me" .
Michael will battle the dragon and Jesus will ride on a horse with ten thousands of his saints to destroy the antichrist( a man).

Your fellow Trinitarians have confirmed that Jesus Christ is the angel of the lord @Genesis16:7. The English Bible the Geneva Bible of 1599 (older than the king James Bible) both published by your fellow Trinitarians confessed that Jesus Christ is indeed archangel Michael.


Why would the same ghost be given conflicting information about Jesus Christ to ErnestNc & his fellow Trinitarians?
Oga, stop WAILING on this forum.

Emusan:
So it's the apostles that distribute the gifts and not The Holy Spirit

The blasphemy from you JWs is second to none.

It's the Holy Spirit who imparted the gift through the apostles.



So why did you leave KNOWLEDGE out of what Paul said it will cease in that verse?

It's because it doesn't dance to your time

Hypocrite!!!

Emusan:
So it's the apostles that distribute the gifts and not The Holy Spirit

The blasphemy from you JWs is second to none.



It's the Holy Spirit who imparted the gift through the apostles.



So why did you leave KNOWLEDGE out of what Paul said it will cease in that verse?

It's because it doesn't dance to your time

Hypocrite!!!

Emusan said: It's the Holy Spirit who imparted the gift through the apostles.
Oga, which of those apostles Worshipped your 3 deities?


So, you expect Jehovah's holy spirit to impart miraculous gifts ( that your Bible says will cease having fulfilled it's purpose to grow the Congregation) to your fellow 3 deities worshippers?

Until you are privileged to enter the inner sanctum of your Pastorpreneurs or dig up their church pulpit , you will continue DECEIVING YOURSELF with their demon inspired miracles.
No be your fault,Trinity tampered with your brain.

FreedomfromtheT:
"Forbearing one another and forgiving one another, if any man has quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye" (Colossians 3:13) does not in any way insinuate or connote that a genuinely saved Christian cannot live above sin.
It only means that a Christian should expect to be offended and thus should not keep malice.
It can also be included to mean that a Christian no matter how well intentioned can offend others and should be ready to apologize and make amends.
A Christian can make mistakes since we are not angels. There is a wide difference between a mistake and a sin. Offending others is not the sin but not willing to apologize, restitute or make amends is the sin.
Also a real Christian though may sin (if careless), does not make provision for sin neither does he justify it rather he feels ashamed if it happens and quickly repents (Romans 13:14).
"And ye know that He (Jesus) was manifested (came to the world) TO TAKE AWAY OUR SINS and in Him is no sin".
"Whosoever abides in Him (Christ) does not sin any longer, whosoever continues to sin has neither seen Him nor known Him (experiencially)".
"HE WHO COMMITS SIN IS OF THE DEVIL for the devil has been sinning from the beginning, for this purpose the Son of God was manifested that He might destroy the works of the devil (the tendency to sin in man)". Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin any longer: for His seed remains in him and CANNOT SIN any longer because he is born of God".
"This is how the children of God are manifest (known) and differentiated from the children of the devil..." (1st John 3:5-10).

Why would FreedomFromtheT make mistakes when he is NOT a sinner?

You just dey talk with both sides of your mouth.
Every mistake is a sin,Oga don't DECEIVE yourself.

Galatians 2:11-14.

Paul Confronts Peter
11 But when Peter came to Antioch, I had to oppose him to his face, for what he did was very wrong. 12 When he first arrived, he ate with the Gentile believers, who were not circumcised. But afterward, when some friends of James came, Peter wouldn’t eat with the Gentiles anymore. He was afraid of criticism from these people who insisted on the necessity of circumcision. [b]13 As a result, other Jewish believers followed Peter’s hypocrisy, and even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy.

14 When I saw that they were not following the truth of the gospel message,.

brocab:

Max: this is the Word of God: and the bible is where we retrieve our wisdom and knowledge from, how

[color=#990000]Jesus Christ Is Creator

{John 1:3, John 1:10} Jesus was in the beginning with God means that Jesus was not a created being but an active co-Creator with God.
The term for “with” in the original Greek expresses a living, dynamic union in the closest, most intimate sense.
John could not state it any more precisely: “God created everything through him, and nothing was created except through him”
{Colossians 1:16} The apostle Paul confirms, “For through him God created everything in the heavenly realms and on earth. He made the things we can see and the things we can’t see—such as thrones, kingdoms, rulers, and authorities in the unseen world. Everything was created through him and for him”

Jesus Christ Is God the Son

Jesus was in the beginning with God also supports the doctrine of the Trinity. Jesus is God, yet He was “with God.” Jesus is distinct in His personhood from God the Father; He is God the Son. They are One but not identical. They interact with one another.
The world was created by God through Jesus: “There is one God, the Father, by whom all things were created, and for whom we live. And there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things were created, and through whom we live” {1 Corinthians 8:6}

Max: this is the Word of God: every Christian have it written down in the bibles, do you still disagree.

As members of the Trinity, the Father and Son act distinctly but in close collaboration with one another {Genesis 1:1–3, John 1:1–3}
{2 Corinthians 4:6} “ The apostle Paul further describes this collaborative action in “For God, who said, ‘Let there be light in the darkness,’ has made this light shine in our hearts so we could know the glory of God that is seen in the face of Jesus Christ”
Jesus reveals “the visible image of the invisible God” {Colossians 1:15–17}
{Hebrews 1:3} “The Son radiates God’s own glory and expresses the very character of God, and he sustains everything by the mighty power of his command”

brocab:
Jesus Christ Is God


{John 17:5, John 17:24} Jesus Himself revealed in prayer that He shares in God’s eternality: “And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began”
{Revelation 1:8} Again, in the book of Revelation, Jesus declares, “I am the Alpha and the Omega—the beginning and the end. . . . I am the one who is, who always was, and who is still to come—the Almighty One”

brocab:
Jesus Christ Is Eternal

John describes Jesus as pre-existent. Jesus was in the beginning with God means He was already present in {Genesis 1:1} when the universe began. He has always existed {John 8:58}
The writer of Hebrews applies {Psalm 102:25–27} to Jesus:
“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundation of the earth and made the heavens with your hands.
They will perish, but you remain forever. They will wear out like old clothing. You will fold them up like a cloak and discard them like old clothing. But you are always the same; you will live forever” {Hebrews 1:10–12}

3 questions Brocab can not answer:
According to David in Psalm 102:24-25 & according to angel Gabriel,Is Jesus Christ the God of David?

Angel Gabriel was NEVER LYING.
Brocab is a LIAR.

Psalms 102:24-25 & Hebrews 1:10-12, Paul the apostle & David are Jews,firm believers in monotheism NOT Trinity.
Did Paul and David say that Hebrews 1:10-12 & Psalms 102:24-25 applies to Jesus?


Psalms 102:24-25 , The God of David lives forever.
Matthew 27:46, why is the deity of brocab crying to another Supreme God?
Or is the deity of brocab crying to himself?

Brocab, Stop DECEIVING YOURSELF.

brocab:
Max: this is the Word of God: and the bible is where we retrieve our wisdom and knowledge from, how can anybody believe you when in fact you disagree with the written Word Of God.
Scripture upon scripture there's to many proven facts Jesus is who He say's He is.
Why believe you are Christ like: claiming to be Christian when you disagree with His Word.
You have no solid evidence to prove your facts, the Watchtower have failed to give evidence to prove otherwise that their doctrine is true and correct.
As far as I can remember: the Watchtower had brought only one thing to the world' spreading their false prophesies lies and wonders.

Jesus Christ Is God

{John 1:14; 5:17–18; 10:30, 36–38; 12:45; 14:7, 9–11} John would emphasize the deity of Christ throughout his Gospel.
{Revelation 19:13} In the book of Revelation, John reintroduces Jesus as the “Word of God”

FreedomfromtheT:
You rejoice in your ignorance of justifying your sinfulness by misinterpreting the same Scriptures sent to instruct the saved Christian in righteousness (1st Timothy 3:16).
Why then was Jesus Christ born? (Mathew 1:21).
That you and other Jehovah's witnesses are not free from sin doesn't mean Christ has no power to set a sinner free from sinning. It doesn't also cancel what Christ has done in my life and in the lives of (tens of) millions of former sinners who are currently living on earth freed from sinning (Titus 2:11-14).
For your information, pastor Kumuyi was not the one who first preached and taught me that a Christian is no longer a sinner and a sinner is not yet a Christian. I have known this truth for long.
So you can take your Kumuyiphobia elsewhere.
Those who wish to continue in their sins while claiming religious superiority of their sect like you can continue in their conceit and delusion. It is their choice.
Those who on the other hand, desire to be set free from their burden of sin by Christ so as to escape from the wrath to come and live with God for ever are welcome to ask for it (1st Thessalonians 1:10; John 8:11; Mark 2:5; Matthew 7:7; 11:28; 5:8; Hebrews 12:14; Revelations 3:20).
Each of us is a free moral agent.
Our personal choice determines our eternal destiny.
Please choose right.

Colossians 3:13
" Make allowance for each other’s faults, and forgive anyone who offends you. Remember, the Lord forgave you, so you must forgive others."



Oga, delete this verse out of your Bible

PeterObi4Presid:
@ Janosky
You made the following statement that I have a no slightest idea how it relates to my case of Prophecy exist....this is what u said

You also said 1 Cor 14: 29- 30 is the real deal...
But I'm not sure you read what 1 Cor 14 says ..cos it doesn't not relate AT ALL to saying Prophecy has ended.
Infact it confirms without equivocation that Christian can Prophecy, and bring words of revelation which you all condemn and scoff....INFACT ITS ONE OF THE MOST CLEAREST CHAPTER OF NEW TESTAMENT THAT CONFIRMS PROPHECY IN CHURCHES!

Maybe you SHOULD read the whole 1 Cor 14 Abi your Bible is different ni?

Let me give u few verses from 1 cor 14

V 29-30 that you misquoted says:

"TWO OR THREE PROPHETS SHOULD SPEAK and the others should evaluate what is said. And if someone sitting down receives a revelation, the person who is speaking should conclude"
1 Corinthians 14:29-30

Verse 31 even says something clearer
1 Corinthians 14:31
"For you can all prophesy one after another, so all can learn and be encouraged".


So where is the unbelief in Prophecy coming from? Where is the confusion?

These versees from same chapter say:
1 Corinthians 14:37, 39
"If anyone considers himself a PROPHET or spiritual person, he should acknowledge that what I write to you is the Lord's command. SO THEN, BROTHERS AND SISTERS, BE EAGER TO PROPHESY, and do not forbid anyone from speaking in tongues"

This is what the first verse even says:
1 Corinthians 14:1
"Pursue love AND BE EAGER FOR THE SPIRITUAL GIFTS, ESPECIALLY THAT YOU MAY PROPHESY.

vs 3-5 Further explain
1 Corinthians 14:3-5
"But the one who prophesies speaks to people for their strengthening, encouragement, and consolation. The one who speaks in a tongue builds himself up, but the one who prophesies builds up the church. I wish you all spoke in tongues, but even more that you would prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets so that the church may be strengthened".

So where in all these verses is there hint that Prophecy has ended? When it's emphasized and encouraged for use to pursue prophecy and prophecy in congregation........

PeterObi4Presid:
@ Janosky
You made the following statement that I have a no slightest idea how it relates to my case of Prophecy exist....this is what u said

You also said 1 Cor 14: 29- 30 is the real deal...
But I'm not sure you read what 1 Cor 14 says ..cos it doesn't not relate AT ALL to saying Prophecy has ended.

Dtruthspeaker:
That is what I say when a person speaks like a mad person. Everyone knows that I respond to every reasonable post coming from anyone who disagrees with me, so carry your insanity go.

Steep:
the Trinity is not a dogma it is there in the bible.

It does not matter what you think, the scripture is clear on the deity of Jesus, the Father and the holy Spirit.

Bible Greek : deity - a god. Screenshot PROVEN evidences.

deity of Jesus- a god.
deity of the Father -a god.
deity of the holy spirit- a god.

3 different gods of Christendom.
Trinitarians practice polytheism.

John 20:17 & Revelation 3:12, did Jesus Christ practice polytheism?

Dtruthspeaker:
Jw has made you so insane that you no longer know that you are mad and that your comments no join at all.

That is how you label everyone who disagrees with your GIBBERISH on Nairaland.

Carry your delusion outta here.


Sifia pained WAILING Soul .

PeterObi4Presid:
My exposure to the doctrines of JW when I was 14 till my University days was the beginning of my gradual slip into atheism and agnosticism. I'm not surprised that DAVID HUNDEYIN is an atheist who was JW. Only God's love and grace delivered me after I almost lost it all, including my life at some point. That's how dangerous their doctrine can be, it opens your portals to many strange doctrines.

PeterObi4Presid:
JW is a group of Christians that lack power, barely Holy Spirit and No revelation at all. Everything is based on intellectual and manual analysis of the Bible. And they scoff the Spirit of present day Prophecy which is really unfortunate for a Christian to do.
The Bible is VERY clear about prophecy, the testimony of Christ is the spirit of prophecy, that's what Revelation says, a message from an angel to John (Rev 19 v 10)

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PeterObi4Presid:
b]The Bible also says...He ascended on high took them captives and gave gifts to men such as prophecy for the equipping of the saints before we all reach the fullness of Christ[/b]. They deny this same gift that Paul reported, same gift that Paul used extensively.

Oga,1 Corinthians 14:29-30 & Hebrews 1:1-2,
did Paul teach you that everyone will have the gift of prophecy?
1 Corinthians 14:29-30 & Hebrews 1:1-2, please GO & BE ARGUING with the apostle Paul converted by Jesus Christ.

You don't seem to be satisfied with the holy scriptures.

PeterObi4Presid:
b]Paul also said we, i.e the gospel,are built on the foundation of the Apostles, PROPHETS and CHRIST [/b]who fits everything together. Ephesians 2 v 19-20
19"Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;"

PeterObi4Presid:
Hebrew 2 vs 3 &4 teaches that the Salvation of Christ is testified by signs, wonders, miracles and by THE GIFT THE HOLYSPIRIT DISTRIBURED TO US ACCORDING TO HIS WILL..

Oga, Wear your goggles and read those verses without bias.

PeterObi4Presid:
What are those gift? Ephesian 4 v 8-13 said when he ascended on high he gave men gifts, prophecy inclusive! And a lot of early Christian were commissioned as prophets!

PeterObi4Presid:
I have noticed JW breed many self-righteous Christians, though they have some good doctrines, and outwardly decent way of life, their good doctrine is however also mixed with a lot of half-truths. I will touch on their total rejection of anything present day Prophecy.
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Dtruthspeaker:
Jw again? Leave those hybrids alone.

Everyone knows that they are a group of people who live on self deceit and delusions, while trying to "appear" composed.